Unpopular opinion coming, but Ukraine is a people and a value structure worth defending because unlike all the others, they defend themselves and will lay their own lives down to defend their home. Ukraine is pretty based.
I think that is all they ask - some help. They aren't asking for American blood to be spilled on Ukrainian soil - they need our 80s-era tech and old weapons to keep the Russian from overrunning their homeland..
I semi agree, but knowing that they are already being supported by other countries (Germany is a big supporter) I feel as if our presence won't/isn't needed
Ukraine is the opposite of based, lmao. Their government is a dictatorial puppet state, and they exist through external support. Im not some pro-Russian moron, I don't think they should be invaded, but Ukraine has been deeply corrupt for around a decade, equal to Russia imo.
Im not against war, im against meaningless forever wars. Narco terrorists that are being sponsored by foreign governments should be stopped, and the oil is a good plus as well. Ukraine and Gaza were false promises that i don’t think anyone with a brain actually thought they’d actually be solved day 1.
Newsflash, most of the narco terrorists were either a direct or indirect consequence of U.S government interfering in those countries in one way or another, mainly the CIA. If you want to meddle in other countries how about fixing your country first to begin with?
lmao so we arent allowed to stop them? its not like this is an unavoidable thing we absolutely have the capability of stopping a large majority of the drugs entering the country, but its being blocked cause we just gotta “reap what we sow”? sow these nuts libby
Not what i said, you are just mad i am telling you how things really are.
You are suffering the consequences of the U.S government meddling in other countries and the first thing you think is "how about we meddle some more!"?
You can't go acting like the world police and then act like the victim when your fuckups come back to haunt you.
regardless of the us meddling are we not allowed to try to prevent this shit? i dont give a shit who caused it, we cant just do nothing about it, what kind of stupid fucking idea is that?
Then regulate your national drug laws better! Jesus Christ, can't you see what i am telling you?
The war on drugs since Reagan has always been a shitstorm because it has never been handled correctly by the U.S government.
Idk what the answer is to all of this ending good but what i do know is that the current path is not it.
Not while going to war with another country when for the past months the government heads and supporters all have spewed anti-war rethoric, not you specifically just in general.
Not to mention that the first "captured" thing was an oil rig of all fucking things, oh yeah war on drugs my ass. I think i heard this "we are not fighting for oil" logic coming out of the U.S military before... must've been my imagination.
Yeah everyone knows he couldn't solve Ukraine and Gaza but the fact that your defense is "you're stupid if you believe the guy we made the most powerful man on Earth says," doesn't make you guys sound great.
There was an election, and the winner was not allowed to step into the office of President. The peoples will needs to be enforced. The current dictator needs gone as per the people of Venezuela. Easy stuff. Biden seemed fine with war and his are still rolling along. Lets clean up Venezuela then we'll stop.
That happens all over the planet on a regular basis. What makes this case special?
Also, we just stuck another boat in the Eastern Pacific, so not Venezuela. No details, other than "narco-terrorists". So, he just needs to deal with the drug runners, the oil thieves, the dictators, the people persecuting Christians, "then we'll stop"?
I thought the left was all about helping people that needed help. Not that they've ever succeed but getting rid of drug runners, drug dealers, dictators, oil thieves, pirates, criminal illegals and those that illegally take American funds designed to help people seems like would help people in this country overall. Why does the Democrat party support this kind of behavior? Like a schoolteachers supporting the bullies that kick the hell out of everyone else. Seems flawed.
The War on Drugs is a failure. It has been a failure since it started. If you actually gave a shit about drugs, you'd work toward relief of the situations that causes people to turn to them in the first place, which Democrats try to do with addressing poverty, education, etc.
Funny which countries you care have dictators... seems like they've all had resources we want.
The immigration system is also broken. If it weren't, ICE wouldn't be scooping people up going into their immigration hearings. It wouldn't take decades. There would be a path to citizenship, especially for those brought here without choice as children and spent basically their whole lives here. The outcry at the moment isn't even about most of that, it's about the fact that people aren't being given due process which is required under the Constitution. Something Republicans USED to care about. (Or at least pretended to in the name of 2A.)
Lastly, no one is defending the news about the daycare centers and stolen funds. What IS funny is that it happened years ago and is already being prosecuted. You should ask yourself why the talking heads on the right are making a big news story out of this now. (And why they're NOT talking about the white people that were part of the scheme.) Perhaps to deflect from the absolute shitshow the entire MAGA party is at the moment?
So that’s why people should support Russia ruled by KGB spy who usurped it for 25 years? I’ve never understood the forced anti-Ukraine support and haven’t heard any sane sensible arguments. Supporting another country doesn’t mean you’re not supporting yours. Why is it so hard for some people to grasp that?
Hopefully, vast majority of Americans regardless of their political leaning conservative, liberal, lefty or right-wing still support Ukraine. And it has nothing to do with “radical left”. On the contrary both radical left and also real radical right tend to support and whitewash Russia and Putin because of his “anti-western, anti-imperialist and anti-US capitalist hegemony fight”
I'm okay with revenge after over a thousand were murdered and raped... There was no genocide... That's just hyperbole and conflation... Gaza richly deserved being destroyed... Not just their military but the people that voted for Hamas as their government... Kind of like Germany getting bombed in World War II... Voting was already showing the Nazis were going to win... Hindenburg just stepped aside... And the people paid for their support... So did Gaza
What? I’m not some bleeding heart leftist running around with a free Palestine tattoo on my forehead.
I’m just tired of how callous everyone is towards the murder of innocent children. In our schools. In our world. We’ve become so desensitized to our politics. I don’t want us involved in foreign wars but I can still have an opinion that child death is bad.
And the fact that you can’t separate the two and you believe 20k children dying is ok because Fox News said it was.. I don’t know man. Do you ever just stop and reflect for a minute? Set aside the hatred and really just think.
Don’t tell me it’s the cost of fucking war. Guess how many kids we killed during Iraqi Freedom? Less than 1500? How long were we there?
We put a group of marines through 6 years of court for killing 7? of them in Haditha.
IDF could be precise if they wanted. This isn’t a targeted campaign at only Hamas. They are indiscriminately starving and murdering thousands of Palestinians. They’re targeting schools and hospitals.
But all you’ll say is that’s where the terrorists are hiding. Welp. Guess there was no other way to solve that problem.
Top 3 articles boosted on Fox regarding death in Gaza are:
1) that one boy is actually alive!
2) maybe the death count is lower than we think?
3) Hamas clans killing each other
It’s a narrative and they’re pushing it.
But look.. fox wasn’t the point of my argument. It’s just that we as a society have started to normalize the slaughter of children and openly embrace spoon fed narratives justifying it. Parroting this as “revenge for October” like this conflict didn’t start before any of us were born.
The entire international community condemns Israel’s actions. Why can’t we?
I don’t disagree with the outrage. If someone took my family I’d burn the world down. But that isn’t what’s happening here. It’s bigger than that and they’re using the outrage to erase the Palestinian state. It’s just more politics and innocents at the center.
They were national socialists, national socialism is right wing, socialism is left
Everything we consider right wing nowadays is what the nazis were but super extreme but that's not saying right wing people are nazis in the same way not all leftists are commies
Unpopular opinion coming, but Ukraine is a people and a value structure worth defending because unlike all the others, they defend themselves and will lay their own lives down to defend their home. Ukraine is pretty based.
I don’t mind the US helping but the EU should do more
I think that is all they ask - some help. They aren't asking for American blood to be spilled on Ukrainian soil - they need our 80s-era tech and old weapons to keep the Russian from overrunning their homeland..
I semi agree, but knowing that they are already being supported by other countries (Germany is a big supporter) I feel as if our presence won't/isn't needed
Ukraine is the opposite of based, lmao. Their government is a dictatorial puppet state, and they exist through external support. Im not some pro-Russian moron, I don't think they should be invaded, but Ukraine has been deeply corrupt for around a decade, equal to Russia imo.
idk why you guys are against Ukraine, making Russia weaker by supporting them is an objectively good thing for us
Because china is our actual threat
Agreed yes, but kicking Russia while it's down would only help us do a full pivot to INDOPACOM
It's an unwinnable proxy war against Russia and a money sink. Hell, they can't even account for billions of dollars they've already received.
Everywhere but here (tm).
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I must have missed when congress declared war
three awards but no votes? odd.
Im not against war, im against meaningless forever wars. Narco terrorists that are being sponsored by foreign governments should be stopped, and the oil is a good plus as well. Ukraine and Gaza were false promises that i don’t think anyone with a brain actually thought they’d actually be solved day 1.
Newsflash, most of the narco terrorists were either a direct or indirect consequence of U.S government interfering in those countries in one way or another, mainly the CIA. If you want to meddle in other countries how about fixing your country first to begin with?
newsflash, we still shouldnt let them peddle drugs into our country
While i am completely against these assholes peddling any kind of drug to anywhere in the world.... i am sorry but i can't fail to say this:
"You reap what you sow"
lmao so we arent allowed to stop them? its not like this is an unavoidable thing we absolutely have the capability of stopping a large majority of the drugs entering the country, but its being blocked cause we just gotta “reap what we sow”? sow these nuts libby
Not what i said, you are just mad i am telling you how things really are.
You are suffering the consequences of the U.S government meddling in other countries and the first thing you think is "how about we meddle some more!"?
You can't go acting like the world police and then act like the victim when your fuckups come back to haunt you.
You reap what you sow
regardless of the us meddling are we not allowed to try to prevent this shit? i dont give a shit who caused it, we cant just do nothing about it, what kind of stupid fucking idea is that?
Then regulate your national drug laws better! Jesus Christ, can't you see what i am telling you?
The war on drugs since Reagan has always been a shitstorm because it has never been handled correctly by the U.S government. Idk what the answer is to all of this ending good but what i do know is that the current path is not it.
so what regulation should we put in place? anything goes?
So we arent allowed to stop it lmao
Not while going to war with another country when for the past months the government heads and supporters all have spewed anti-war rethoric, not you specifically just in general.
Not to mention that the first "captured" thing was an oil rig of all fucking things, oh yeah war on drugs my ass. I think i heard this "we are not fighting for oil" logic coming out of the U.S military before... must've been my imagination.
Narco terrorists sponsored by foreign governments like... Juan Hernandez? But he got a pardon.
Fent isn't coming on fishing boats via Venezuela. That's 100% about oil.
Yeah everyone knows he couldn't solve Ukraine and Gaza but the fact that your defense is "you're stupid if you believe the guy we made the most powerful man on Earth says," doesn't make you guys sound great.
Useless wars - useful wars
There was an election, and the winner was not allowed to step into the office of President. The peoples will needs to be enforced. The current dictator needs gone as per the people of Venezuela. Easy stuff. Biden seemed fine with war and his are still rolling along. Lets clean up Venezuela then we'll stop.
That happens all over the planet on a regular basis. What makes this case special?
Also, we just stuck another boat in the Eastern Pacific, so not Venezuela. No details, other than "narco-terrorists". So, he just needs to deal with the drug runners, the oil thieves, the dictators, the people persecuting Christians, "then we'll stop"?
I thought the left was all about helping people that needed help. Not that they've ever succeed but getting rid of drug runners, drug dealers, dictators, oil thieves, pirates, criminal illegals and those that illegally take American funds designed to help people seems like would help people in this country overall. Why does the Democrat party support this kind of behavior? Like a schoolteachers supporting the bullies that kick the hell out of everyone else. Seems flawed.
The War on Drugs is a failure. It has been a failure since it started. If you actually gave a shit about drugs, you'd work toward relief of the situations that causes people to turn to them in the first place, which Democrats try to do with addressing poverty, education, etc.
Funny which countries you care have dictators... seems like they've all had resources we want.
The immigration system is also broken. If it weren't, ICE wouldn't be scooping people up going into their immigration hearings. It wouldn't take decades. There would be a path to citizenship, especially for those brought here without choice as children and spent basically their whole lives here. The outcry at the moment isn't even about most of that, it's about the fact that people aren't being given due process which is required under the Constitution. Something Republicans USED to care about. (Or at least pretended to in the name of 2A.)
Lastly, no one is defending the news about the daycare centers and stolen funds. What IS funny is that it happened years ago and is already being prosecuted. You should ask yourself why the talking heads on the right are making a big news story out of this now. (And why they're NOT talking about the white people that were part of the scheme.) Perhaps to deflect from the absolute shitshow the entire MAGA party is at the moment?
So that’s why people should support Russia ruled by KGB spy who usurped it for 25 years? I’ve never understood the forced anti-Ukraine support and haven’t heard any sane sensible arguments. Supporting another country doesn’t mean you’re not supporting yours. Why is it so hard for some people to grasp that?
Hopefully, vast majority of Americans regardless of their political leaning conservative, liberal, lefty or right-wing still support Ukraine. And it has nothing to do with “radical left”. On the contrary both radical left and also real radical right tend to support and whitewash Russia and Putin because of his “anti-western, anti-imperialist and anti-US capitalist hegemony fight”
It really seems to be any flag other than the US flag doesn't it?
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Why is the Somali holding the Minnesota flag? Oh wait….
Wow, you claim to be american and don't even know what the Minnesotan flag looks like eh comrad?
Have you not seen the new flag?
I have, have you not seen like half the flags in the world? That are closer than those two?
Edit: unless there's a new flag that doesn't have the darker blue whatever reverse triangle thing flags do.
You’re on the wrong side of history if you don’t get why folks are upset about the Palestine situation.
Those folks are on the wrong side of sanity.
Can you please clarify your statement? It seems like this statement could go either way when looked through the right lenses.
You’re casually ok with genocide? Yikes.
I'm okay with revenge after over a thousand were murdered and raped... There was no genocide... That's just hyperbole and conflation... Gaza richly deserved being destroyed... Not just their military but the people that voted for Hamas as their government... Kind of like Germany getting bombed in World War II... Voting was already showing the Nazis were going to win... Hindenburg just stepped aside... And the people paid for their support... So did Gaza
And the 20,000 Palestinian children killed by Israeli forces? That’s acceptable as “revenge” ?
https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-20000-children-killed-23-months-war-more-one-child-killed-every-hour
Go be a victim elsewhere
What? I’m not some bleeding heart leftist running around with a free Palestine tattoo on my forehead.
I’m just tired of how callous everyone is towards the murder of innocent children. In our schools. In our world. We’ve become so desensitized to our politics. I don’t want us involved in foreign wars but I can still have an opinion that child death is bad.
And the fact that you can’t separate the two and you believe 20k children dying is ok because Fox News said it was.. I don’t know man. Do you ever just stop and reflect for a minute? Set aside the hatred and really just think.
Don’t tell me it’s the cost of fucking war. Guess how many kids we killed during Iraqi Freedom? Less than 1500? How long were we there?
We put a group of marines through 6 years of court for killing 7? of them in Haditha.
IDF could be precise if they wanted. This isn’t a targeted campaign at only Hamas. They are indiscriminately starving and murdering thousands of Palestinians. They’re targeting schools and hospitals.
But all you’ll say is that’s where the terrorists are hiding. Welp. Guess there was no other way to solve that problem.
Fox News definitely didn't say 20k children dying is okay.
Top 3 articles boosted on Fox regarding death in Gaza are:
1) that one boy is actually alive! 2) maybe the death count is lower than we think? 3) Hamas clans killing each other
It’s a narrative and they’re pushing it.
But look.. fox wasn’t the point of my argument. It’s just that we as a society have started to normalize the slaughter of children and openly embrace spoon fed narratives justifying it. Parroting this as “revenge for October” like this conflict didn’t start before any of us were born.
The entire international community condemns Israel’s actions. Why can’t we?
I think it's terrible all together and very very sad.
It’s almost like that area of the world doesn’t report death accurately to garner sympathy
If a country kidnapped my family members and refused to return them, I would expect the US to take the same steps as Israel did for their return
I don’t disagree with the outrage. If someone took my family I’d burn the world down. But that isn’t what’s happening here. It’s bigger than that and they’re using the outrage to erase the Palestinian state. It’s just more politics and innocents at the center.
Sucks when they have terror tunnels all around Israel . Had to be cleaned out.
Every country but their own!
Like pick a side liberals
Must be exhausting
Leftists support any country but their own.
😂
If nazis were a group we were against they'd 100% support them
Wait - are you not against Nazis??
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They were national socialists, national socialism is right wing, socialism is left
Everything we consider right wing nowadays is what the nazis were but super extreme but that's not saying right wing people are nazis in the same way not all leftists are commies