Tbh mod abuse is a very small issue in comparison to fake bot posts and absurdly irrational thinking harbored by much userbase. The Reddit hive mind is not at all reflective of what society thinks, but that small percentage of thought is magnified 100x here and served up as the norm. It is extremely cringey
Tbh the heavy handed moderation and admin abuse is the reason I'm about to jump ship. As well as the quality of conversation nose diving due to political extremism and censorship.
It is also what subs you follow. Any of the flagship boards are full of snide weirdos and extremists. I really wish there was an app comparable to pre 2020 Reddit or Quora
It gave you multiple pages on why users are leaving in droves, but they aren't. The last earnings call reported 19 percent year-over-year unique user growth.
People are getting banned in droves lol. That's what's happening, and then there's a psy-op happening, either botted, or through a lot of influence accounts sent out by governmental forces, to say "Omg Reddit, so negative, Social Media boo hoo" and create "statistics" that show that the place is dysfunctional.
It's just suddenly happening everywhere, around the same time as Social Media bans are being talked about everywhere, and my local news also had suspiciously biased "news" articles disguised as opinion pieces, that talk shit about social media, and then a TikTok video of my prime minsiter walking with a paid influencer saying "Why we should shut down TikTok."
It's 100% governmental influence that we're looking at. Just agencies across the world. Not even just EU or Aus who are banning places, but even MAGA US, and other places, seem to be running these psy-ops about how shitty it is that normal people gather on the internet and act democratic, but it's disguised as "dysfunction" and "lack of safety" or "extreme toxicity" etc when those issues are not literally as bad as it's being talked up to be.
It's the ruling class who is P I S S E D that social media has genuine democractic influence that has replaced the easily-manipulated TV feed. That's what's causing this push against the internet all of a sudden.
Tough shit. I also left 2 previous workplaces because of the negative attitudes and mental health impact.
Thing is, whenever you let people form communities, there will always be those that ruin it for others. The good thing about Reddit is that it's a large place with many communities, often several for any 1 topic, which gives more chances of finding a good community, but a lot of people can't get over the obstacle with the internet that it also pushes back. I had this experience around 2013 when I had just left college and needed some more time browsing forums because I had just moved and there was too much alone-time and I needed some more communication in my life.
It went fine at first until I got into feuds with people with very strict ideas, and then I started getting angry like IRL when you're having an argument with someone. Eventually I adjusted myself to fit in a little better, but otherwise also gave up on certain subforums and remembered it's just something on the computer and not something that matters.
What if people actually learned that the internet isn't just some sort of entertainment device that spoonfeeds you exactly what you want? I see a lot of people who cannot take ANYTHING before they start complaining that "this is toxic" or "this is why I never go to Reddit!" or something. I don't think Reddit is harsh at all. My high school gave me more gut-punches than those forums ever did, and Reddit is more or less the same rate of positivity vs negativity as any workplace I've been to, granted without big HR departments.
I just worry a bit what we're doing to ourselves chasing down this extreme end of requiring politeness. I certainly met a lot of people in my education that remind me of people like this, where there's a lot of things people say that gets them all angry and their day is ruined etc. because certain opinions are apparently illegal to them. But I learned to gravitate towards the diversity of people's different stances, and accept that I don't like everything I hear, and that sometimes I also say things that don't get positive reception, and then I adjust myself afterwards.
It's just a bit of a circlejerk to me. I see it more and more, that people can't take the fact that the internet pushes back when they thought everyone should just smile and be positive to anything they say. If you upload a picture of your car, and want people to say it's awesome, how can you be mad if no one asked you to upload a picture of your car, and thus they didn't actually care about what you posted? How does that make THEM the problem?
You are mixing few different things here. People are not "leaving Reddit", it's that Reddit is changing it's focus on a different group of users that doesn't include you :]
From business perspective having smaller but focused group of user will bring you more money than huge bunch of some randos.
Also - Reddit is growing. Older and experienced people are leaving reddit, yes. But they are replaced by new users because of all this " modern changes" that you hate.
You are mixing few different things here. People are not "leaving Reddit", it's that Reddit is changing it's focus on a different group of users that doesn't include you :]
Yeah that's fully what I see and expect from the future of reddit. A spam and ad platform fueled by bots. That's why I will be spending my time on lemmy/piefed, because not everything works for money. Some things work just because people want to make something nice.
Because they are owned by the users not by a corporation that will do anything to juice profits. When I look at the number of votes there vs here on my front page they are roughly the same since here I have had to unsubscribe from most of the big subreddits. But there they will actively police against bots whereas here they are improving the statistics to make money and so are encouraged.
Because they are owned by the users not by a corporation that will do anything to juice profits.
Same was for Reddit when it started. But when numbers go up - corpo come. Lemmy will follow exactly same fate if it will get traction.
It's not Reddit exclusive issue, it's just how things work on big numbers.
Bullshit. It's what corporate social media looks like. Not what that run by the users does. It's impossible to monitize lemmy/piefed because anyone who tried would lose all their users to another instance. But it's becoming increasingly obvious that I'm arguing with yet another bot on Reddit.
It's a few things in that regard. Reddit is trying (and failing) to copy actual social media. They're getting punked into various compliances ever since the leadership change in 2015, and continually they're remodeling the style of the website to look more like a doomscroll feed, and simplfying and socializing it. It has now reached a point where there's an influx of actual SoMe goers who mistake Reddit for something exactly akin to Instagram and get mad when the user culture is more anonymous and sometimes not easily impressed unlike SoMe culture where it's expected that people post something and get smileys and positive encouragement by all their "followers".
but Reddit hasn't really been about "followers" for most of its life, maybe that's what they wanna change now, so it conflicts with instagram people who only understand the internet as a place where you go to become influencers and get nice comments from "followers".
But Reddit is a discussion board at its core. I have images turned off to get it a bit more like Old Reddit, but that was a huge shift in vibe on Reddit when the app became popular, where now it's just a scroll of thumbnails and entire subreddits just being a wall of pictures.
So maybe it's "growing" but if it's losing users it's because it's losing the people who used Reddit to "reddit" and are now leaving because they can't "reddit" anymore. I'm close to leaving as well. I have zero interest in a picture book. I go to places where you have long-form discussions and read news, and read and dissect thoughts and opinions on topics I'm interested in. The spoiled-brat culture of Instagram isn't what people came here for, and if it becomes an Instagram it's only going to become a shitter version of that, which means it'll be a net loss of users. You can't attract people who really wanted their instafeed because Reddit seems less vivid, and you can't attract people who just wanna be rid of that, because it's not trying to also have image feeds and obnoixous media brats, instead of discussive people.
None of the reasons it gave involved censorship or mod and admin abuse. Seems pretty inaccurate to me.
THIS.
These are, by far, the main reasons why Reddit became a pile of trash.
Tbh mod abuse is a very small issue in comparison to fake bot posts and absurdly irrational thinking harbored by much userbase. The Reddit hive mind is not at all reflective of what society thinks, but that small percentage of thought is magnified 100x here and served up as the norm. It is extremely cringey
Tbh the heavy handed moderation and admin abuse is the reason I'm about to jump ship. As well as the quality of conversation nose diving due to political extremism and censorship.
It is also what subs you follow. Any of the flagship boards are full of snide weirdos and extremists. I really wish there was an app comparable to pre 2020 Reddit or Quora
because it's all ai created shitposts like this one
But that's the problem, it isn't accurate.
It gave you multiple pages on why users are leaving in droves, but they aren't. The last earnings call reported 19 percent year-over-year unique user growth.
Only the first page is about that topic.
How much reddit traffic is bot traffic? Do their earnings call report that?
People are getting banned in droves lol. That's what's happening, and then there's a psy-op happening, either botted, or through a lot of influence accounts sent out by governmental forces, to say "Omg Reddit, so negative, Social Media boo hoo" and create "statistics" that show that the place is dysfunctional.
It's just suddenly happening everywhere, around the same time as Social Media bans are being talked about everywhere, and my local news also had suspiciously biased "news" articles disguised as opinion pieces, that talk shit about social media, and then a TikTok video of my prime minsiter walking with a paid influencer saying "Why we should shut down TikTok."
It's 100% governmental influence that we're looking at. Just agencies across the world. Not even just EU or Aus who are banning places, but even MAGA US, and other places, seem to be running these psy-ops about how shitty it is that normal people gather on the internet and act democratic, but it's disguised as "dysfunction" and "lack of safety" or "extreme toxicity" etc when those issues are not literally as bad as it's being talked up to be.
It's the ruling class who is P I S S E D that social media has genuine democractic influence that has replaced the easily-manipulated TV feed. That's what's causing this push against the internet all of a sudden.
The echo chamber and circlejerking as well.
holy accidental AI anti advertisement !
Tough shit. I also left 2 previous workplaces because of the negative attitudes and mental health impact.
Thing is, whenever you let people form communities, there will always be those that ruin it for others. The good thing about Reddit is that it's a large place with many communities, often several for any 1 topic, which gives more chances of finding a good community, but a lot of people can't get over the obstacle with the internet that it also pushes back. I had this experience around 2013 when I had just left college and needed some more time browsing forums because I had just moved and there was too much alone-time and I needed some more communication in my life.
It went fine at first until I got into feuds with people with very strict ideas, and then I started getting angry like IRL when you're having an argument with someone. Eventually I adjusted myself to fit in a little better, but otherwise also gave up on certain subforums and remembered it's just something on the computer and not something that matters.
What if people actually learned that the internet isn't just some sort of entertainment device that spoonfeeds you exactly what you want? I see a lot of people who cannot take ANYTHING before they start complaining that "this is toxic" or "this is why I never go to Reddit!" or something. I don't think Reddit is harsh at all. My high school gave me more gut-punches than those forums ever did, and Reddit is more or less the same rate of positivity vs negativity as any workplace I've been to, granted without big HR departments.
I just worry a bit what we're doing to ourselves chasing down this extreme end of requiring politeness. I certainly met a lot of people in my education that remind me of people like this, where there's a lot of things people say that gets them all angry and their day is ruined etc. because certain opinions are apparently illegal to them. But I learned to gravitate towards the diversity of people's different stances, and accept that I don't like everything I hear, and that sometimes I also say things that don't get positive reception, and then I adjust myself afterwards.
It's just a bit of a circlejerk to me. I see it more and more, that people can't take the fact that the internet pushes back when they thought everyone should just smile and be positive to anything they say. If you upload a picture of your car, and want people to say it's awesome, how can you be mad if no one asked you to upload a picture of your car, and thus they didn't actually care about what you posted? How does that make THEM the problem?
You are mixing few different things here. People are not "leaving Reddit", it's that Reddit is changing it's focus on a different group of users that doesn't include you :]
From business perspective having smaller but focused group of user will bring you more money than huge bunch of some randos.
Also - Reddit is growing. Older and experienced people are leaving reddit, yes. But they are replaced by new users because of all this " modern changes" that you hate.
ie. bots
Reddit earning are also increasing. So if bots bring them money - they will go bots.
You may not like it, but everything works for profit.
Yeah that's fully what I see and expect from the future of reddit. A spam and ad platform fueled by bots. That's why I will be spending my time on lemmy/piefed, because not everything works for money. Some things work just because people want to make something nice.
Why do you think that lemmy\piefied won't be the same?
It don't have bots and spammers now just because there's no users.
Because they are owned by the users not by a corporation that will do anything to juice profits. When I look at the number of votes there vs here on my front page they are roughly the same since here I have had to unsubscribe from most of the big subreddits. But there they will actively police against bots whereas here they are improving the statistics to make money and so are encouraged.
Same was for Reddit when it started. But when numbers go up - corpo come. Lemmy will follow exactly same fate if it will get traction.
It's not Reddit exclusive issue, it's just how things work on big numbers.
Bullshit. It's what corporate social media looks like. Not what that run by the users does. It's impossible to monitize lemmy/piefed because anyone who tried would lose all their users to another instance. But it's becoming increasingly obvious that I'm arguing with yet another bot on Reddit.
Of course. Everybody who disagree with your opinion is a bot and should be downvoted.
Good luck building this new perfect community with such attitude :]
You should stay here.
Lemmy and Piefed is federated, not owned by a single person or company.
It's a few things in that regard. Reddit is trying (and failing) to copy actual social media. They're getting punked into various compliances ever since the leadership change in 2015, and continually they're remodeling the style of the website to look more like a doomscroll feed, and simplfying and socializing it. It has now reached a point where there's an influx of actual SoMe goers who mistake Reddit for something exactly akin to Instagram and get mad when the user culture is more anonymous and sometimes not easily impressed unlike SoMe culture where it's expected that people post something and get smileys and positive encouragement by all their "followers".
but Reddit hasn't really been about "followers" for most of its life, maybe that's what they wanna change now, so it conflicts with instagram people who only understand the internet as a place where you go to become influencers and get nice comments from "followers".
But Reddit is a discussion board at its core. I have images turned off to get it a bit more like Old Reddit, but that was a huge shift in vibe on Reddit when the app became popular, where now it's just a scroll of thumbnails and entire subreddits just being a wall of pictures.
So maybe it's "growing" but if it's losing users it's because it's losing the people who used Reddit to "reddit" and are now leaving because they can't "reddit" anymore. I'm close to leaving as well. I have zero interest in a picture book. I go to places where you have long-form discussions and read news, and read and dissect thoughts and opinions on topics I'm interested in. The spoiled-brat culture of Instagram isn't what people came here for, and if it becomes an Instagram it's only going to become a shitter version of that, which means it'll be a net loss of users. You can't attract people who really wanted their instafeed because Reddit seems less vivid, and you can't attract people who just wanna be rid of that, because it's not trying to also have image feeds and obnoixous media brats, instead of discussive people.