They're doing it because most of their supporters/viewers are old people. To get younger supporters/viewers who may not be fully aware of their disgusting histories, they'll sling out a reasonable soundbite or two.Ā
There's multiple he can peel out of that paragraph, and if he left enough space between sentences they'll even sound like he said them in isolation, if needed for whatever he's pushing.Ā
No they are still morally reprehensible they are saying theses things not because that want to live in harmony with Muslims they say this because they donāt want to be around Muslims and Jews. They arenāt taking a a step to the left theyāve taken four steps to the reich.
But the full quotes arenāt reasonable. They are extensions who they have always been. MTG still has beliefs about Jews and Zionists that are extremely anti-Semitic. And no not in the stupid definition that says anything that is negative about Israel is a reflection that is anti semitic, I mean like an actual anti-Semite.
Let me grab the metaphorical megaphone for a second:
YES. I AM AWARE OF THAT.
THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY LYING FOR MONEY AND SUPPORT.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW AND WHY THEY ARE SUDDENLY -->FAKING OUTRAGE<---ABOUT PROBLEMS THAT THEY HELPED CREATE, AND NOT THE SPECIFICS OF THEIR CRAP IDEOLOGY. YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THAT MEANS I AM DEFENDING THEM. I AM NOT.Ā
IN THE FUTURE, TRY RESPONDING TO WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WROTE, INSTEAD OF WHATEVER ARGUMENT YOU ARE TRYING TO HAVE WITH THEM.
They are just the first rats fleeing the sinking MAGA ship.
They see the writing on the wall; Trump is falling apart, MAGA is collapsing in on itself, and Dems are looking to make big victories in the near future.
Theyāre just firing the first shots in the inevitable right wing civil war for the rapidly approaching power vacuum.
As with every single strong man in all of history, their power base falls apart almost immediately upon their death. MAGA will be no different.
Because theyāre not. Tuckerās whole shtick has always been to go hard right and then just slightly back off and sound reasonable about something long enough to take the heat off, and then go harder. Two steps forward and one step back, or whatever. I guess itās the opposite. Either way, heās being doing this song and dance since the Crossfire days.
MTG is just an opportunist who sees a new cultural divide to help herself gain more clout now that MAGA is fracturing, and is taking advantage of it accordingly.
Even if they arrive at a conclusion thatās similar to ours, that doesnāt mean they should be trusted or even thought of as āreasonable.ā Itās the same reason that even back in the early ā00s when I was organizing protests for Palestine, we knew to be extremely careful about who we gave a platform to because there was a rogues gallery of shitfuck neo-Nazis who āagreed with usā but for all the wrong reasons.
Oh, theyāre both still huge pieces of shit. I just canāt help but feel how bad things have gotten, that even the biggest assholes can say something that actually echoes sentiment any reasonable person would adhere to. Weāve got 3 more years of this bullshit, and I seriously doubt whether or not weāre gonna get through it this time.
I feel like they're just mad they can't get a higher position on the grift train, so they're hedging their bets by gently pushing back to seem reasonable enough for normal people to think "oh, they're turning on their own".
Isn't it wild watching Tucker, MTG, and a few others as they pivot simultaneously? It's almost as if they're 'following orders' from somewhere else.....
They aren't doing it because it's the right thing to do, it's red meat for their nazi supporters who hate Jewish people a little bit more than brown people.
MTG and Tucker are grifters, plain & simple. Theyāll say anything, at any time, for attention. They pander to who they believe is the lowest common denominator with the most people. They just want to feel noticed.
Lol, because they aren't, its still all a grift. Marge and ol' tuck haven't changed. They have an agenda its all part of their grift. When has Marge apologized for harassing David Hogg, the Parkland survivor, and for her all of her wild Qanon conspiracy theories? As soon as she does apologize, I might actually take her a bit more seriously. Also, remember, Marge said shes thinking about running for president, so there's that tooš«
Out of context, this is very positive of course. However remember this is the same Carlson who just recently interviewed Nick Fuentes, a literal nazi. In his case I strongly suspect it's connected to demonizing Jews harder instead.
MTG she actually has sounded rather reasonable lately. I think she even posted something cautiously criticizing ICE raids for being too indiscriminate.
And blames Muslims directly for coming to our country to "out breed" white people.
This guy is personally responsible for the Muslim hate and has openly hated them on his show. He is in no way a voice of reason, and everyone should never say anything so stupid.
Don't forget tucker Carlson is the master of calling out obvious problems that sound good until you realize his solution for everything is just standard GOP deregulation, corporate tax cuts and defending social safety nets.
Stop saying wow he's reasonable. You're falling for his grift.
It's literally what MTG started doing over Epstein and everyone thought she's so great and she immediately got the most anti trans bill pushed through Congress.
These are bad people who don't want anything good for the average American
Nah heās an actual Nazi. And like actual Nazis, heās willing to set aside differences with Muslims temporarily to go after his greatest enemy, Jewish people.
Donāt kid yourself. He doesnāt like Muslims or Arabs or Persians or Indians orā¦ well, anyone with skin that isnāt white. He pushes the whole āgreat replacementā nonsense.
Heāll spew hate towards Jews out of one side of his mouth, then turn around and spew hate at Muslims from the other.
Heās a total crank. The only thing he truly believes in is the almighty dollar.
See, the problem is, Tucker actually has a brain. He's simply evil. He plays dumb, gets this "Mongo only pawn in game of life" expression on his face, but behind the scenes he's gossiping and manipulating people. Occasionally he does the right thing but you can be sure it's for the wrong reasons.
I kinda disagree. Back when he was Bow Tie Tucker he wanted to be an intellectual conservative, David Brooks, George Will style. That did nothing he got blasted by ordinary folks and his ego couldnāt take it. So we get āTucker multi millionaire heir in flannelā
Just doing their post-truth thing where they say explicitly contradicting things constantly on alternating days, which now gets you the horseshoe fans, who have been trained to be completely oblivious to everything outside of their particular extremist obsessive issue. Sort of how you now have muslim fundamentalists and anti-Muslim fundamentalists both listening to Candace Owens
Since getting off Fox and not being forced to be a Republican shill, Tucker has several times been quite reasonable and pointed out BS that he never would have before.
He still has plenty of terrible takes, but now he now does seem to be consistent in a set of conservative values instead of just saying that whatever Republicans and Maga is doing is great.
MAGA is cracking at the seams, they are super unified when not in power. As soon as they get in power each individual thinks they alone should be in total control. Itās how these power hungry cults of personality fall.
Heās a contrarian who only matters if heās fighting something.
What happens when he gets what he said he wanted? He has to pivot and start being a contrarian when his shit is mainstream.
He does this shit every so often because politics change, but his business model doesnāt which is ābe controversial against whatever is popularā.
I feel like itās less about Tucker feeling sympathetic toward Muslims and more about him disliking Jewish people. Heās chummy with Fuentes, isnāt he?
The cursed thing is that in the GOP the growing fault line is whether Muslims or Jews deserve hatred more. There is not a side that is against hating both of them in the Republican Party.
For reasons, I have been well trained and practiced in the difficult means of sneaky manipulation. Funny enough, I don't do it, because I hate it.
But, as much as I don't watch him much, I have always said that Tucker Carlson is a master class in it. I will sir, yelling out the names of devices he's using, applauding his stunning skill with it.
But ... Also funny enough ... I have had reason to watch him a few times recently. And his Christianity is creeping in, more, and his definition of that faith is, in many respects, quite a generally accepting one.
Some of his attitudes suck, in my view. But there appears to be a little more "My faith means I cannot hate just because they are not like me."
Has he had an epiphany? Doubtful. I think he's seeing society push back, and he's not dumb. He's feeling the winds of division are pushing too far. He's finding a new place.
At one point he wanted to be an intellectual conservative. Kind of like David Brooks (who, I just found out, is in the Epstein files). But Tucker got dunked on by Jon Stewart and worse, by right wingers. They didnāt want structures telling them about how to act they were angry and wanted to dunk on brown people any way possible fuck the rules. So Tucker turned
Itās part of his anti-Jewish stick heās got going on right now, and not because I think he genuinely dislikes Jews, I think his Qatari money is dictating his rhetoric.
Tucker has always done a good job of finding something that is an actual genuine issue, in this case, the genocide happening in Gaza. But his motivations behind it have nothing to do with being concerned for the well-being of Gazansā¦ Itās part of his Qatari handlers Agenda.
Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Is that what that line in Scarlet begonias is saying
Indeed it is.
The sky was yellow and the sun was blue
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What YOU DID for many years is try to divide the country! Now you donāt like it? Fuck off.
Someone's a bit defensive about taking Qatari money.....
I canāt get used to Tucker and MTG being the voice of reason, but here we are.
They're doing it because most of their supporters/viewers are old people. To get younger supporters/viewers who may not be fully aware of their disgusting histories, they'll sling out a reasonable soundbite or two.Ā
That's a heck of a sound byte.
I'm waiting for the "Yeah, but that's taken out of context" statement.
There's multiple he can peel out of that paragraph, and if he left enough space between sentences they'll even sound like he said them in isolation, if needed for whatever he's pushing.Ā
No, Tucker is going on a generational run for president in 2028.
I'm wildly interested in how that goes.
No they are still morally reprehensible they are saying theses things not because that want to live in harmony with Muslims they say this because they donāt want to be around Muslims and Jews. They arenāt taking a a step to the left theyāve taken four steps to the reich.
I said they are sounding reasonable as a deliberate recruitment tactic, not that they are actually reasonable.Ā
But the full quotes arenāt reasonable. They are extensions who they have always been. MTG still has beliefs about Jews and Zionists that are extremely anti-Semitic. And no not in the stupid definition that says anything that is negative about Israel is a reflection that is anti semitic, I mean like an actual anti-Semite.
Let me grab the metaphorical megaphone for a second:
YES. I AM AWARE OF THAT.
THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY LYING FOR MONEY AND SUPPORT.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW AND WHY THEY ARE SUDDENLY -->FAKING OUTRAGE<---ABOUT PROBLEMS THAT THEY HELPED CREATE, AND NOT THE SPECIFICS OF THEIR CRAP IDEOLOGY. YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THAT MEANS I AM DEFENDING THEM. I AM NOT.Ā
IN THE FUTURE, TRY RESPONDING TO WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WROTE, INSTEAD OF WHATEVER ARGUMENT YOU ARE TRYING TO HAVE WITH THEM.
Lest we forget
The young conservatives dont like Israel and Tucker knows thats where the money is. Expanding his market share because support for Israel is eroding
They are just the first rats fleeing the sinking MAGA ship.
They see the writing on the wall; Trump is falling apart, MAGA is collapsing in on itself, and Dems are looking to make big victories in the near future.
Theyāre just firing the first shots in the inevitable right wing civil war for the rapidly approaching power vacuum.
As with every single strong man in all of history, their power base falls apart almost immediately upon their death. MAGA will be no different.
Because theyāre not. Tuckerās whole shtick has always been to go hard right and then just slightly back off and sound reasonable about something long enough to take the heat off, and then go harder. Two steps forward and one step back, or whatever. I guess itās the opposite. Either way, heās being doing this song and dance since the Crossfire days.
MTG is just an opportunist who sees a new cultural divide to help herself gain more clout now that MAGA is fracturing, and is taking advantage of it accordingly.
Even if they arrive at a conclusion thatās similar to ours, that doesnāt mean they should be trusted or even thought of as āreasonable.ā Itās the same reason that even back in the early ā00s when I was organizing protests for Palestine, we knew to be extremely careful about who we gave a platform to because there was a rogues gallery of shitfuck neo-Nazis who āagreed with usā but for all the wrong reasons.
Oh, theyāre both still huge pieces of shit. I just canāt help but feel how bad things have gotten, that even the biggest assholes can say something that actually echoes sentiment any reasonable person would adhere to. Weāve got 3 more years of this bullshit, and I seriously doubt whether or not weāre gonna get through it this time.
I feel like they're just mad they can't get a higher position on the grift train, so they're hedging their bets by gently pushing back to seem reasonable enough for normal people to think "oh, they're turning on their own".
Isn't it wild watching Tucker, MTG, and a few others as they pivot simultaneously? It's almost as if they're 'following orders' from somewhere else.....
It was interesting that Putin referred to EU leaders as "little pigs" this week.
I noticed that, as well. Interesting choice of insult.
They aren't doing it because it's the right thing to do, it's red meat for their nazi supporters who hate Jewish people a little bit more than brown people.
Are you insane? He has said more outrageous shit in tbe last 2 weeks than we will in our lifetime.
MTG and Tucker are grifters, plain & simple. Theyāll say anything, at any time, for attention. They pander to who they believe is the lowest common denominator with the most people. They just want to feel noticed.
Lol, because they aren't, its still all a grift. Marge and ol' tuck haven't changed. They have an agenda its all part of their grift. When has Marge apologized for harassing David Hogg, the Parkland survivor, and for her all of her wild Qanon conspiracy theories? As soon as she does apologize, I might actually take her a bit more seriously. Also, remember, Marge said shes thinking about running for president, so there's that tooš«
This is what happens when a pundit finally gets free of pro-israel money--they're free to speak the truth,
Weirdly Tucker seems to be better on Gaza than nearly all the dems. That AIPAC money must be really addictive.
Out of context, this is very positive of course. However remember this is the same Carlson who just recently interviewed Nick Fuentes, a literal nazi. In his case I strongly suspect it's connected to demonizing Jews harder instead.
MTG she actually has sounded rather reasonable lately. I think she even posted something cautiously criticizing ICE raids for being too indiscriminate.
He also, personally, pushes white replacement.
And blames Muslims directly for coming to our country to "out breed" white people.
This guy is personally responsible for the Muslim hate and has openly hated them on his show. He is in no way a voice of reason, and everyone should never say anything so stupid.
The bill that just passed criminalizing gender affirming care for minors was Margeās bill. She hasnāt changed.
Strange, I wonder why this enlightened Christian could never tell his followers that Barack Obama wasn't a secret jihadi?
Don't forget tucker Carlson is the master of calling out obvious problems that sound good until you realize his solution for everything is just standard GOP deregulation, corporate tax cuts and defending social safety nets.
Stop saying wow he's reasonable. You're falling for his grift.
It's literally what MTG started doing over Epstein and everyone thought she's so great and she immediately got the most anti trans bill pushed through Congress.
These are bad people who don't want anything good for the average American
A contrarian through and through
Nah heās an actual Nazi. And like actual Nazis, heās willing to set aside differences with Muslims temporarily to go after his greatest enemy, Jewish people.
He is a glowing antisemite and therefore champions the muslims
Donāt kid yourself. He doesnāt like Muslims or Arabs or Persians or Indians orā¦ well, anyone with skin that isnāt white. He pushes the whole āgreat replacementā nonsense.
Heāll spew hate towards Jews out of one side of his mouth, then turn around and spew hate at Muslims from the other.
Heās a total crank. The only thing he truly believes in is the almighty dollar.
He sees the writing on the wall and knows his grift and foreign money is drying up soon. He has to find a new angle.
You know when the nutso bigots are appalled you're a real nazi!
Nope, not buying it.
See, the problem is, Tucker actually has a brain. He's simply evil. He plays dumb, gets this "Mongo only pawn in game of life" expression on his face, but behind the scenes he's gossiping and manipulating people. Occasionally he does the right thing but you can be sure it's for the wrong reasons.
Have they tried unplugging him
He has never met a ground-level conservative in his life, his security will not let them within a half-mile
I kinda disagree. Back when he was Bow Tie Tucker he wanted to be an intellectual conservative, David Brooks, George Will style. That did nothing he got blasted by ordinary folks and his ego couldnāt take it. So we get āTucker multi millionaire heir in flannelā
Tucker: "This is outrageous! I've never seen such a thing!"
Just doing their post-truth thing where they say explicitly contradicting things constantly on alternating days, which now gets you the horseshoe fans, who have been trained to be completely oblivious to everything outside of their particular extremist obsessive issue. Sort of how you now have muslim fundamentalists and anti-Muslim fundamentalists both listening to Candace Owens
Can we please not forget that he said immigrants make our country dirtier.
did the audience then throw tomatoes and rotten meat at him after? the fuck?
Since getting off Fox and not being forced to be a Republican shill, Tucker has several times been quite reasonable and pointed out BS that he never would have before.
He still has plenty of terrible takes, but now he now does seem to be consistent in a set of conservative values instead of just saying that whatever Republicans and Maga is doing is great.
MAGA is cracking at the seams, they are super unified when not in power. As soon as they get in power each individual thinks they alone should be in total control. Itās how these power hungry cults of personality fall.
The rats are leaving the sinking ship
Heās a contrarian who only matters if heās fighting something.
What happens when he gets what he said he wanted? He has to pivot and start being a contrarian when his shit is mainstream.
He does this shit every so often because politics change, but his business model doesnāt which is ābe controversial against whatever is popularā.
It's been a surprise to see Tucker and MTG re-evaluate their beliefs.
I feel like itās less about Tucker feeling sympathetic toward Muslims and more about him disliking Jewish people. Heās chummy with Fuentes, isnāt he?
What do you mean trying?
The cursed thing is that in the GOP the growing fault line is whether Muslims or Jews deserve hatred more. There is not a side that is against hating both of them in the Republican Party.
For reasons, I have been well trained and practiced in the difficult means of sneaky manipulation. Funny enough, I don't do it, because I hate it.
But, as much as I don't watch him much, I have always said that Tucker Carlson is a master class in it. I will sir, yelling out the names of devices he's using, applauding his stunning skill with it.
But ... Also funny enough ... I have had reason to watch him a few times recently. And his Christianity is creeping in, more, and his definition of that faith is, in many respects, quite a generally accepting one.
Some of his attitudes suck, in my view. But there appears to be a little more "My faith means I cannot hate just because they are not like me."
Has he had an epiphany? Doubtful. I think he's seeing society push back, and he's not dumb. He's feeling the winds of division are pushing too far. He's finding a new place.
At one point he wanted to be an intellectual conservative. Kind of like David Brooks (who, I just found out, is in the Epstein files). But Tucker got dunked on by Jon Stewart and worse, by right wingers. They didnāt want structures telling them about how to act they were angry and wanted to dunk on brown people any way possible fuck the rules. So Tucker turned
Theyāve gone so far right that they ironically became left
Muslims turned on Kamala Harris last year, so maybe thatās why heās defending them?
Itās part of his anti-Jewish stick heās got going on right now, and not because I think he genuinely dislikes Jews, I think his Qatari money is dictating his rhetoric.
Tucker has always done a good job of finding something that is an actual genuine issue, in this case, the genocide happening in Gaza. But his motivations behind it have nothing to do with being concerned for the well-being of Gazansā¦ Itās part of his Qatari handlers Agenda.
All grounded in antisemitism. He's so antisemitic that it's trumping his Islamophobia.
He's one of the few who seem to understand this works both ways.