On one hand, this is very obviously a law enforcement topic, and of relevance to us here.
On the other hand, it's deeply politically charged, and will be deeply contentious from the very start.
There will be no fair way to moderate discussion, and all "sides" will be confident (and loud) that they're the ones being picked on.
We are going to *attempt* unlocking this for discussion;
* This is not a politics sub, and this is not a politics thread. If your comment is about politics, you are wrong. It will be removed, and you will likely be banned.
* All comments must be mature, adult dialogue and may not attack other people
* Honestly, your best bet is to consider this story, and what it means to you, and what it makes you think.
For any LE who were there or were adjacent, how has this affected your lives?
I recently trained with a former Capitol PD LT who was there on Jan 6. She said her life went from being fairly quiet and personal to being way too out in the open
I work for an agency in the DC metro region. We sent all on-duty civil disturbance guys to assist Capitol PD on J6. I fully expected to go in as a relief unit that night, but wasn't needed.
Ever since then, USCP has requested our assistance for EVERY large event in and around the Capitol Building, and are very appreciative when we are there. We also do a lot more joint training with them since that day. Safe to say there was a huge shift in how things are handled since that day.
I was there, albeit in a fairly minor role. I got about 6 weeks of my very progressive family not being disappointed in my career choice, then back to normal
I was there. I had three of my close friends and former coworkers who were there leave law enforcement because of the mental trauma from it. It's still surreal to me. The worst fallout has been the gaslighting about who perpetrated it and then the pardons of those same fuckers who tried to kill me and my friends. That kind of reopened the wound and honestly caused me to revert to having nightmares and flashbacks that I thought had been behind me. Thankfully I place mental health as a high priority, as I have PTSD from other traumatic LE events, but the impact from January 6th is still regularly felt.
I was really worried about the latter. It sounds like you are not alone in that regard. Being gaslit and turned into such a public political pawn is tough my dude.
There isn't a single seat on either side of the aisle in support of law enforcement unless it's convenient and politically profitable at that moment in time.
Recognition and support vs vitriol and hate from anyone in a position of political power is as fickle as the existence of that plaque. To expect anything else is an exercise in futility and only fortifies the foundations of future heartbreak.
I've done this long enough now to understand that anything other than "well done, you get to keep your job" and "IA would like a word with you" is a thinly veiled attempt at using you as a scapegoat or a chess piece.
It's gonna be impossible to avoid political language on this, but it's interesting to me, and in four years I'll be interested to see if there's still a huge concern for this plaque to be displayed
Aren’t our jobs inherently political? Laws are created by politicians and we in state police get directives all the time from the governor who is a politician.
Sheriffs are elected, doesn’t that make them also a politician?
Having a hands off approach when it comes to how politics plays a role in LE is weird to me. Not only hands off but straight up “if you mention politics you will be banned.”
Why as a LEO community scared about talking about a big part of our jobs?
Yeah I'll agree our job is political; and sheriff's are politicians first law enforcement like... third in my opinion.
I don't see why we can't be political (civilly) here, most of us belong to unions or in my case an "association" since unions are illegal for public employees where I live.
It's a perfectly cromulent :) question, and you'll of course not being banned for asking.
With regards to the "If you mention politics, you'll be banned", I'll tell you that, in reality, it's seldom that firm. 90% of the time, it's a removed comment, and maybe a quick reminder. Or, a couple days ban if it's happened before. But putting that up front makes it very obvious it's on the table for drive by political trolling, etc.
You and I both have been witness to healthy and productive political conversations. And I 100% agree with you that it's saying "no politics" is a weird line given how much intersection there is.
The thing is, that healthy political discussion you and I have both seen, has become rarer and rarer. So many people are so quick to shout about "those damn libtards" or "the orange fascist" or "those clown Americans" or whatever their viewpoint is, that it just.. ruins things.
For some political topics in this sub, it's absolutely worth dealing with - because they're important topics which need to be discussed, and the viewpoints of actual LE need to be shared and seen.
But for this.. man.. January 6th on it's own is already such a hot button issue, and this specific aspect/story is like.. doubling down on inflammatory politics.
That said, there's some properly good, even handed comments in this thread - so maybe I was wrong.
I made a somewhat political post and the mods were pretty gentle with me and it was either deleted or comments were turned off. 10/10 would recommend being moderated here.
Seeing officers being assaulted with a blue line flag was really hard to stomach. To be honest I haven’t been able to come to grips with it. No politician on any of our large selection of two parties gives two shits about the people in uniform and only want our protection and to advance their agenda.
People just simply forget or ignore that there were months of violent, destructive riots just prior to January 6th, 2021. Police nationwide were vilified for simply doing their jobs and criticized for attending these riots.
Federal buildings were set on fire with officers inside and they never got any recognition.
Politics often brings out very strong opinions. Often times those opinions are manifested in direct personal attacks. That type of behavior is not accepted here.
If you wanted, or even better, hilariously expect a plaque dedicated to your sacrifice for your service to your community as a police officer, you should've been a firefighter.
Lot of disappointed buffs did not like this comment, lmao.
I don't have experience in law enforcement, but I do have experience in government, so I can easily imagine this sitting in a box because the guy who meant to put it up retired a few years ago and it got forgotten about.
I'm unsure how to approach this here.
On one hand, this is very obviously a law enforcement topic, and of relevance to us here.
On the other hand, it's deeply politically charged, and will be deeply contentious from the very start.
There will be no fair way to moderate discussion, and all "sides" will be confident (and loud) that they're the ones being picked on.
We are going to *attempt* unlocking this for discussion;
* This is not a politics sub, and this is not a politics thread. If your comment is about politics, you are wrong. It will be removed, and you will likely be banned.
* All comments must be mature, adult dialogue and may not attack other people
* Honestly, your best bet is to consider this story, and what it means to you, and what it makes you think.
For any LE who were there or were adjacent, how has this affected your lives?
I recently trained with a former Capitol PD LT who was there on Jan 6. She said her life went from being fairly quiet and personal to being way too out in the open
I work for an agency in the DC metro region. We sent all on-duty civil disturbance guys to assist Capitol PD on J6. I fully expected to go in as a relief unit that night, but wasn't needed.
Ever since then, USCP has requested our assistance for EVERY large event in and around the Capitol Building, and are very appreciative when we are there. We also do a lot more joint training with them since that day. Safe to say there was a huge shift in how things are handled since that day.
I was there, albeit in a fairly minor role. I got about 6 weeks of my very progressive family not being disappointed in my career choice, then back to normal
I was there. I had three of my close friends and former coworkers who were there leave law enforcement because of the mental trauma from it. It's still surreal to me. The worst fallout has been the gaslighting about who perpetrated it and then the pardons of those same fuckers who tried to kill me and my friends. That kind of reopened the wound and honestly caused me to revert to having nightmares and flashbacks that I thought had been behind me. Thankfully I place mental health as a high priority, as I have PTSD from other traumatic LE events, but the impact from January 6th is still regularly felt.
I was really worried about the latter. It sounds like you are not alone in that regard. Being gaslit and turned into such a public political pawn is tough my dude.
I’ve heard the same thing, they’re stuck in a hard place because both sides of the aisle attack Capitol police officers for political reasons.
Unsurprising.
There isn't a single seat on either side of the aisle in support of law enforcement unless it's convenient and politically profitable at that moment in time.
Recognition and support vs vitriol and hate from anyone in a position of political power is as fickle as the existence of that plaque. To expect anything else is an exercise in futility and only fortifies the foundations of future heartbreak.
I've done this long enough now to understand that anything other than "well done, you get to keep your job" and "IA would like a word with you" is a thinly veiled attempt at using you as a scapegoat or a chess piece.
Agreed.
It's gonna be impossible to avoid political language on this, but it's interesting to me, and in four years I'll be interested to see if there's still a huge concern for this plaque to be displayed
Aren’t our jobs inherently political? Laws are created by politicians and we in state police get directives all the time from the governor who is a politician.
Sheriffs are elected, doesn’t that make them also a politician?
Having a hands off approach when it comes to how politics plays a role in LE is weird to me. Not only hands off but straight up “if you mention politics you will be banned.”
Why as a LEO community scared about talking about a big part of our jobs?
I hope I don’t get banned for stating this.
Yeah I'll agree our job is political; and sheriff's are politicians first law enforcement like... third in my opinion.
I don't see why we can't be political (civilly) here, most of us belong to unions or in my case an "association" since unions are illegal for public employees where I live.
Because people have an extremely difficult time being civil when talking about politics.
It's a perfectly cromulent :) question, and you'll of course not being banned for asking.
With regards to the "If you mention politics, you'll be banned", I'll tell you that, in reality, it's seldom that firm. 90% of the time, it's a removed comment, and maybe a quick reminder. Or, a couple days ban if it's happened before. But putting that up front makes it very obvious it's on the table for drive by political trolling, etc.
You and I both have been witness to healthy and productive political conversations. And I 100% agree with you that it's saying "no politics" is a weird line given how much intersection there is.
The thing is, that healthy political discussion you and I have both seen, has become rarer and rarer. So many people are so quick to shout about "those damn libtards" or "the orange fascist" or "those clown Americans" or whatever their viewpoint is, that it just.. ruins things.
For some political topics in this sub, it's absolutely worth dealing with - because they're important topics which need to be discussed, and the viewpoints of actual LE need to be shared and seen.
But for this.. man.. January 6th on it's own is already such a hot button issue, and this specific aspect/story is like.. doubling down on inflammatory politics.
That said, there's some properly good, even handed comments in this thread - so maybe I was wrong.
I made a somewhat political post and the mods were pretty gentle with me and it was either deleted or comments were turned off. 10/10 would recommend being moderated here.
Seeing officers being assaulted with a blue line flag was really hard to stomach. To be honest I haven’t been able to come to grips with it. No politician on any of our large selection of two parties gives two shits about the people in uniform and only want our protection and to advance their agenda.
Another case of law enforcement getting caught in the middle of the two political extremes in this country.
I hope anybody that was affected by J6 has figured out how to deal with the trauma and live a happy life.
I hope our nation eventually figures out that law enforcement are people too, and aren't pawns/scapegoats to be used for political gain.
5 years later and it's still astounding to me the amount of people that sanewash and justify J6. Single worst day in modern American history imo.
This plaque is the equivalent of the half eaten sheet cake I see in the roll call room when I come in for my shift on “Officer Appreciation Day”.
It’s a gesture. Thanks, I’ll pass.
Maybe that plaque means more to someone who was there that day, or maybe it means even less than a half eaten sheet cake.
Now I want sheet cake.
Damn it. I too now want sheet cake as well....
https://preview.redd.it/cumr5e7bbtbg1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8b26a726d851f01dd0032a5e12c33ce8dc33cfb
Cupcakes?
😂 I love the random 👁️
My daughter loves to decorate cakes, she gets a little into it
I’m just happy to be here.
It’s curious that the people who made the plaque were largely on the defund the police train a few months earlier…
(Edited to try not to be inflammatory)
That's why the entire thing pisses me off.
People just simply forget or ignore that there were months of violent, destructive riots just prior to January 6th, 2021. Police nationwide were vilified for simply doing their jobs and criticized for attending these riots.
Federal buildings were set on fire with officers inside and they never got any recognition.
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Calling someone "soft" as the point of your argument, indicates you don't have a coherent adult argument.
So, your comment is removed - and verified or not, this is your chance to read both the pinned post, and Rule 1.
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Politics often brings out very strong opinions. Often times those opinions are manifested in direct personal attacks. That type of behavior is not accepted here.
If you wanted, or even better, hilariously expect a plaque dedicated to your sacrifice for your service to your community as a police officer, you should've been a firefighter.
Lot of disappointed buffs did not like this comment, lmao.
I don't have experience in law enforcement, but I do have experience in government, so I can easily imagine this sitting in a box because the guy who meant to put it up retired a few years ago and it got forgotten about.
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