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Personal opinion: Two reasons for this poster:
1) They were trying to get immigrants from the Commonwealth to vote leave. Unlike EU citizens, they have/had the right to vote in the UK.
2) They were blaming EU immigration for everything, and portrayed Polish, Romanian and other Central and Eastern European people who came to the UK as the worst thing to ever happen to the country.
What a surprise. I went to Madeira on vacation and the British tourists often had that "bloody foreigners" look on their face.
Mate, I'm in my own country here!
I do love seeing them circle the drain. Everything their politicians did immigration-wise was somehow the fault of Brussels. They pushed "multiculturalism" on everyone while being by far the most xenophobic country in the whole EU.
Don't forget that this is a poster from the official leave campaign who were not good at their jobs and had nothing to do with Farage and the Brexit party who were sadly quite competent.
Quote: "I do think, naturally that people from India and Australia are in some ways more likely to speak English, understand common law and have a connection with this country than some people that come perhaps from countries that haven't fully recovered from being behind the Iron Curtain."
Just the way this is phrased disgusts me. Especially now that he complains about immigration from his precious Commonwealth.
True, but I do think people underrate the extent to which the Brexit vote was driven by normie Tory & Labour euroscepticism just as much (if not more) than Faragist national populism.
Hm, sure - this did play a massive part. I do think that immigration was by far the number one factor, at least for the people I interacted with in a town that voted overwhelmingly to leave.
But seriously I don't think most business owners would give a shit about the nation if it meant their own business had a foreign worker who could be paid less and work harder because their visa requires they don't get fired.
The Brexit campaign was one of the first big instances where we saw a group like Cambridge Analytica getting more openly involved.
It was called out at the time but seemed to fall a bit on deaf ears.
Basically Brexit was run as multiple concurrent campaigns promising totally contradictory outcomes to different groups of people kept isolated in little media bubbles so none really questioned if it was their vision of Brexit or anothers that would come to pass.
What was really fascinating was that this was brought to a head in 2019 with Labour offering a 2nd vote on the actual final deal, and this resulted in one of the worst electoral defeats in recent decades with many pundits at the time saying it would take them a decade to recover. So it was made very clear to the public not everyone could have their cake and it eat, and they rejected that very decisively.
I believe it was targeting South Asians in the UK to vote leave. The vast majority of Indians and Pakistanis I know voted to leave. Many genuinely had an issue with EU immigration, as referenced in a sitcom set around British Pakistanis in Birmingham that was popular at the time, Citizen Khan: https://youtu.be/9wCSVpMjNSc?si=qGHdLye4-nbnGoWi
The biggest myth in contemporary British politics is that "nobody voted" for the post-2021 increase in non-EU migration (the so-called 'Boriswave') - that was very explicitly the pitch of the Leave campaign to the public, and was mentioned to me in those exact terms by multiple Leave voters of different races while explaining their vote.
Absolutely. Farage himself said he preferred Indian immigrants to Eastern Europeans ‘because they speak English’ back in 2015. Numerous other politicians as well, such as Iain Duncan Smith (who was a prominent figure at the time).
I can't imagine many native-born voters in the UK thinking that a vote for Brexit would mean the end of just European immigration versus ALL immigration. It's almost like Farage and the leave campaign did that on purpose so they could bring in lower wage immigrants more easily and probably help their own personal financial interests somehow...
European immigrants came with equal rights. That's what offended white English people the most.
The "Boris wave" caused by Farage's Brexit are a fairly rightless bunch, unlikely to unionise, and dependent on their employer/sponsor to remain in the UK.
Aside from the resentment that white Europeans were walking into jobs that second gen minority immigrants felt should have been theirs, there was massive appeal for small SE Asian businesses for an easily-exploitable rightless workforce. Thus we saw Birmingham as the only major city to vote Leave.
Indeed. I had plenty of people (the same ones who are now complaining about immigration non-stop) say that EU free movement was unfair because it disadvantaged people from Commonwealth countries. Guess who they are now talking about deporting just because of their colour?
56 countries, mostly former colonies of the UK, India and Pakistan included.
I remember, clear as a day, on Question Time (a sort of political panel show where the general public asks questions), a man of Pakistani origin asking Boris Johnson if he can ‘guarantee’ that ALL the eastern Europeans will leave.
Nobody should forget the disgraceful xenophobia and dehumanisation of EU citizens during the Brexit campaign. Especially when Brits LOVE lecturing other nations.
About a quarter of a million (mostly skilled) Europeans continue to leave Britain every year since Brexit. The cost to the country in lost skills and retraining has been eye-watering for the NHS, care sector, manufacturing and farming in particular.
The plus-side for the private sector involves massive exploitation of the fairly rightless, de-unionised, over-worked, million-strong non-European Boris-wave.
Not really ironic, the curry example is dumb but even at the time I voted remain but I hoped a fairer immigration system would be an upside to leave, it's not difficult to see even back in 2016 how the eu migration system is racist and not a million miles from trumps Muslim ban
How is the EU’s migration system any more ‘racist’ than the British one? Muslim ban??? The UK’s current migration sytem is so much better, right? /s just in case
Basically it cedes that some degree of migration is necessary and so tries to limit it to Eastern Europeans (who happen to be white) only
The uk is also racist sure but fortress Europa is a thing and the eu is no better, the uk now at least accepts some migration from outside Europe even if they outwardly pretend it's bad
This is internal migration, within the EU. Same as within countries. Your argument implies that only western Europe has immigration, which is wrong - for example, I will be using my EU passport to move to Poland.
Immigration from outside Europe has long been a thing, so your argument is not valid.
Algerians, Moroccans, Congolese, Senegalese have massive communities in Belgium and France,
Moroccans, Turks, Surinamese in the Netherlands
Turks, Syrians, Afghans etc. in Germany
Somalis, Iraqis in Sweden. The list goes on.
If anything, the EU’s liberal immigration policies led to the current (concerning) rise of the far right.
It's moving from one country to another the EU just makes it seem Europeans aren't really foreigners like non Europeans (I wonder why) I'd argue the far right comes more from neoliberals blaming every bad thing on migration and people being stupid enough to believe them (plus funding/bots from Russia, USA, India etc. ) I'd be happier with just open borders tbh but we aren't even allowed to float it as an idea because people are brainwashed
You wonder why? Maybe it has to do with shared single market, similar cultures, history, politics, in many cases a single currency? The EU is very much like a country in many ways.
Also, there is plenty of discrimination within Europe itself, as Brexit showed us. Many Northern/Western Europeans have a sense of superiority over Eastern and Southern, who they view as lazy/backwards etc.
Sure I don't doubt people can look down upon eastern Europe but even the fact more non European immigration is seen as a downside of brexit rather than an upside tells you all you need to know
The whole point of Brexit was to have more non-EU, and less EU immigration. The fact that people who voted for that, now regret it, is their own problem. All I know is that us Europeans are leaving the UK en masse.
And that's one of the few upsides, that, access to the covid vaccine without EU meddling, and the removal of tariffs are the three positives even as someone who voted remain
If you see less EU, and more non-EU immigration as an upside, that’s your prerogative my friend. Can’t say I agree with you at all, but I respect it at the end of the day.
the irony of using curry to convince people to vote against immigration from places where curry actually comes from is absolutely galaxy brain level honestly
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I would love to hear someone explain this pretzel logic.
Personal opinion: Two reasons for this poster: 1) They were trying to get immigrants from the Commonwealth to vote leave. Unlike EU citizens, they have/had the right to vote in the UK. 2) They were blaming EU immigration for everything, and portrayed Polish, Romanian and other Central and Eastern European people who came to the UK as the worst thing to ever happen to the country.
There was a recent headline in the Daily Mail bemoaning the flight of Poles back to Poland (low-tax Poland!!!). How times have changed.
Link? I'm one of those...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15379789/amp/Polish-exodus-arrival-Britain-tax.html
lol incredible. I'm old enough to remember when the daily hail compered us to vermin.
What a surprise. I went to Madeira on vacation and the British tourists often had that "bloody foreigners" look on their face.
Mate, I'm in my own country here!
I do love seeing them circle the drain. Everything their politicians did immigration-wise was somehow the fault of Brussels. They pushed "multiculturalism" on everyone while being by far the most xenophobic country in the whole EU.
Don't forget that this is a poster from the official leave campaign who were not good at their jobs and had nothing to do with Farage and the Brexit party who were sadly quite competent.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-admits-he-prefers-australian-immigrants-to-eastern-europeans-10196769.html
Quote: "I do think, naturally that people from India and Australia are in some ways more likely to speak English, understand common law and have a connection with this country than some people that come perhaps from countries that haven't fully recovered from being behind the Iron Curtain."
Just the way this is phrased disgusts me. Especially now that he complains about immigration from his precious Commonwealth.
True, but I do think people underrate the extent to which the Brexit vote was driven by normie Tory & Labour euroscepticism just as much (if not more) than Faragist national populism.
Hm, sure - this did play a massive part. I do think that immigration was by far the number one factor, at least for the people I interacted with in a town that voted overwhelmingly to leave.
Commonwealth citizens can vote in the UK? TIL!
Only if they live in the UK legally.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/running-electoral-registration-wales/eligibility-register-vote/what-are-nationality-requirements-register-vote/can-a-commonwealth-citizen-register-vote
Aaah, pandering to the racists without making them realize they're also the target.
Latino's for Trump.
But seriously I don't think most business owners would give a shit about the nation if it meant their own business had a foreign worker who could be paid less and work harder because their visa requires they don't get fired.
The Brexit campaign was one of the first big instances where we saw a group like Cambridge Analytica getting more openly involved.
It was called out at the time but seemed to fall a bit on deaf ears.
Basically Brexit was run as multiple concurrent campaigns promising totally contradictory outcomes to different groups of people kept isolated in little media bubbles so none really questioned if it was their vision of Brexit or anothers that would come to pass.
What was really fascinating was that this was brought to a head in 2019 with Labour offering a 2nd vote on the actual final deal, and this resulted in one of the worst electoral defeats in recent decades with many pundits at the time saying it would take them a decade to recover. So it was made very clear to the public not everyone could have their cake and it eat, and they rejected that very decisively.
The thing you have to realise about brexiteers in 2016 is that absolutely everything was Polish peoples fault.. somehow.
A curry shop closing down is somehow due to Polish immigration.
Of all the pro/con arguments, curry supply is certainly among the least expected.
I believe it was targeting South Asians in the UK to vote leave. The vast majority of Indians and Pakistanis I know voted to leave. Many genuinely had an issue with EU immigration, as referenced in a sitcom set around British Pakistanis in Birmingham that was popular at the time, Citizen Khan: https://youtu.be/9wCSVpMjNSc?si=qGHdLye4-nbnGoWi
The biggest myth in contemporary British politics is that "nobody voted" for the post-2021 increase in non-EU migration (the so-called 'Boriswave') - that was very explicitly the pitch of the Leave campaign to the public, and was mentioned to me in those exact terms by multiple Leave voters of different races while explaining their vote.
Absolutely. Farage himself said he preferred Indian immigrants to Eastern Europeans ‘because they speak English’ back in 2015. Numerous other politicians as well, such as Iain Duncan Smith (who was a prominent figure at the time).
I can't imagine many native-born voters in the UK thinking that a vote for Brexit would mean the end of just European immigration versus ALL immigration. It's almost like Farage and the leave campaign did that on purpose so they could bring in lower wage immigrants more easily and probably help their own personal financial interests somehow...
While also having a convenient scapegoat that you can blame every problem on.
European immigrants came with equal rights. That's what offended white English people the most.
The "Boris wave" caused by Farage's Brexit are a fairly rightless bunch, unlikely to unionise, and dependent on their employer/sponsor to remain in the UK.
Aside from the resentment that white Europeans were walking into jobs that second gen minority immigrants felt should have been theirs, there was massive appeal for small SE Asian businesses for an easily-exploitable rightless workforce. Thus we saw Birmingham as the only major city to vote Leave.
Indeed. I had plenty of people (the same ones who are now complaining about immigration non-stop) say that EU free movement was unfair because it disadvantaged people from Commonwealth countries. Guess who they are now talking about deporting just because of their colour?
The Commonwealth, meaning India and Pakistan?
56 countries, mostly former colonies of the UK, India and Pakistan included. I remember, clear as a day, on Question Time (a sort of political panel show where the general public asks questions), a man of Pakistani origin asking Boris Johnson if he can ‘guarantee’ that ALL the eastern Europeans will leave.
Nobody should forget the disgraceful xenophobia and dehumanisation of EU citizens during the Brexit campaign. Especially when Brits LOVE lecturing other nations.
About a quarter of a million (mostly skilled) Europeans continue to leave Britain every year since Brexit. The cost to the country in lost skills and retraining has been eye-watering for the NHS, care sector, manufacturing and farming in particular.
The plus-side for the private sector involves massive exploitation of the fairly rightless, de-unionised, over-worked, million-strong non-European Boris-wave.
How would stopping immigration save the curry industry? Wouldn't immigration help it since it brings more costumers?
This reminds me, didn't farage once said he prefers Indian migrants than Polish migrants? At least in 2015, today I imagined not so much
Oh the irony.
It worked
Reform/Leave Voters: There are too many brown immigrants!!
Nigel Farage/Politicians who pushed for Brexit: Ummm yeah!!! I wonder who did that.. (nervously looks away)
The same people, not even 10 years later:
How's that working out now
Not really ironic, the curry example is dumb but even at the time I voted remain but I hoped a fairer immigration system would be an upside to leave, it's not difficult to see even back in 2016 how the eu migration system is racist and not a million miles from trumps Muslim ban
How is the EU’s migration system any more ‘racist’ than the British one? Muslim ban??? The UK’s current migration sytem is so much better, right? /s just in case
Basically it cedes that some degree of migration is necessary and so tries to limit it to Eastern Europeans (who happen to be white) only
The uk is also racist sure but fortress Europa is a thing and the eu is no better, the uk now at least accepts some migration from outside Europe even if they outwardly pretend it's bad
This is internal migration, within the EU. Same as within countries. Your argument implies that only western Europe has immigration, which is wrong - for example, I will be using my EU passport to move to Poland.
Immigration from outside Europe has long been a thing, so your argument is not valid.
Algerians, Moroccans, Congolese, Senegalese have massive communities in Belgium and France,
Moroccans, Turks, Surinamese in the Netherlands
Turks, Syrians, Afghans etc. in Germany
Somalis, Iraqis in Sweden. The list goes on.
If anything, the EU’s liberal immigration policies led to the current (concerning) rise of the far right.
It's moving from one country to another the EU just makes it seem Europeans aren't really foreigners like non Europeans (I wonder why) I'd argue the far right comes more from neoliberals blaming every bad thing on migration and people being stupid enough to believe them (plus funding/bots from Russia, USA, India etc. ) I'd be happier with just open borders tbh but we aren't even allowed to float it as an idea because people are brainwashed
You wonder why? Maybe it has to do with shared single market, similar cultures, history, politics, in many cases a single currency? The EU is very much like a country in many ways.
Also, there is plenty of discrimination within Europe itself, as Brexit showed us. Many Northern/Western Europeans have a sense of superiority over Eastern and Southern, who they view as lazy/backwards etc.
Sure I don't doubt people can look down upon eastern Europe but even the fact more non European immigration is seen as a downside of brexit rather than an upside tells you all you need to know
The whole point of Brexit was to have more non-EU, and less EU immigration. The fact that people who voted for that, now regret it, is their own problem. All I know is that us Europeans are leaving the UK en masse.
And that's one of the few upsides, that, access to the covid vaccine without EU meddling, and the removal of tariffs are the three positives even as someone who voted remain
If you see less EU, and more non-EU immigration as an upside, that’s your prerogative my friend. Can’t say I agree with you at all, but I respect it at the end of the day.
the irony of using curry to convince people to vote against immigration from places where curry actually comes from is absolutely galaxy brain level honestly
Curry doesn’t come from Europe hahahahha this poster is against European immigration, and in favour of Indian immigration