I want Bill to be like “yeah I’m a creep, but this dude was sitting next to me the WHOLE time and arranged most of the parties” and just dump a bunch of photos and videos.
This word is always used and man I sometimes wish I could have met prime slick willy just to experience it. Maybe that's why Donny was so willing to exercise his epiglottis for ole bill.
I don't actually think Bill is going down. I'm genuinely surprised because prior to this release, I thought he was probably guilty. He's creepy and gross, and the power imbalance between him and Monica Lewinsky shows he isn't above taking advantage of vulnerable women.
But then the "release" happened, and it's clear the Trump administration is trying to make us all think Bill Clinton is guilty of something. Especially by including just random photos of him that aren't even tied to Epstein. But yet there is no actual evidence of his guilt? No testimony from victims or witnesses? No bank transactions? I suspect that's because if any of the witnesses had interactions with him at all, they will say he didn't do anything. That's already the case with the woman who was giving him a shoulder massage in that one photo.
If they actually had evidence he was guilty of anything, why would they hold it back while simultaneously trying to insinuate he is guilty? Why would they not already be prosecuting him to satisfy the people calling for blood? That makes no sense.
Yeah that’s kind of a good point. I was sort of on the fence about Bill’s guilt here because he’s no doubt a horndog, but being a horndog does not necessarily a pedophile make, and beyond that certain individuals are easier to speculate about in that way, like Donald, because their penchant for sadism is readily apparent, whereas with Bill, he doesn’t really come across in that way. Though of course some sadists do mask those tendencies better than others.
But yeah, the fact that they’re clearly orchestrating this release to imply his guilt, without providing any actual evidence of his guilt (including as you said releasing photos that aren’t actually connected to the Epstein case while essentially claiming that they are) definitely sheds some serious doubt on whether there actually exists any evidence of what they’re trying to imply to the public.
I never got the impression that he used power imbalance to get sex. The first woman, Paula Jones, never faced any consequences for saying no (as far as I know anyway) and Monica didn't seem to be pressured or anything.
Misha Collins (Cas for Supernatural) was actually an intern at the White House right before Lewinsky before, and he later wrote an article defending her like "look EVERYONE was infatuated with the President" .
Now, teh argument can be made that Clinton, being older and the President, should have kept it in his pants and that he did indeed take advantage of a young woman's infatuation, and you'd be right, but he didn't threaten her job or anything.
I am not sure what you mean. Both sides what? Both side should be held accountable? Then absolutely yes.
The defining definition of a democracy is that lawmakers, agencies, law enforcement should be scrutinized regardless of party affiliation. Mistakes or abuses should be exposed and corrected. Always.
Edit: I see that the OP was simply saying that MAGA will argue that both sides suck, which i agree with. I failed to understand the context of their original text. My badness. Sorry and all that.
But if he is saying release everything and trump is the pedo (which he is) and Bill isn’t (which I don’t know), then again, both sides are not the same.
Yeah, i said if both sides are guilty of a crime then they should be prosecuted. Literally. If you are a fucking Democrat or a Republican and you committed a crime you should be charged and prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law.
How about saying child rapers should be held accountable. Even if they are Israeli PM. British Royalty, or some of the richest people in the world.
It’s beyond American politics.
You know how slick AND well educated this guy is? He’s like the Michael Jordan of politics. He’s like Mike Tyson. This guy can outfox anyone in politics today with half his brain tied behind his back.
I was just comin' in to say; "We don't call him Slick Willy for nothin'!"
I always think of the day that Republican brains just collectively short circuited was the day when, during his impeachment trial he was asked if he had sexual relations with Monical Lewinsky. He turned to the Judge (whose opinion was the only one that mattered in that moment) and asked for a definition of what sexual relations were. The Judge indicated that sexual relations meant penis in vagina sex and Bill grinned and answered, "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!"
Fucking brilliant. And god those hypocritical buffoons got so damn mad.
And now the same maga morons say Trump was not liable for rape because New York State defined rape as penile penetration. The inability of trump supporters to think logically is amazing.
I'm sorry, but this is typical Clinton maneuvering. He knows Trump will never release the complete files, but by demanding that Trump do so, he creates the illusion that he has nothing to hide.
If Clinton really cared about transparency, he'd come forward and tell everything he knows. Which is a helluva lot.
He’s not. Anything with Clinton would absolutely be released. It’s not an either or proposition. They can easily pick which files to redact or withhold.
Or it could be that Clinton is not worried about the files because he is not guilty. Not everything is a conspiracy and absolutely no one, well other than Trump, would insist on releasing info knowing they would implicate himself.
They've been trying to get dirt on both Clintons for decades and have gotten next to nothing. The fact that people still think they're guilty shows how effective the Right Wing propaganda machine is.
It wouldn't be smart for Clinton to tell everything he knows. Not right now, atleast. He has rights not to say anything that might incriminate him. He's no dummy; he knows the law.
What he can safely do is call-out Trump; put pressure on Trump. And when Trump balks (which he certainly will), it will make Trump look even worse.
I don’t buy it. If they had anything real on Bill they would’ve released it and started prosecution. They’ve been trying to find a distraction forever, we’re going to war with Venezuela only as a distraction.
If they had evidence of Bill raping kids they’d prosecute and that might actually be enough of a distraction. But they aren’t.
Difference is Trump owns the Justice Department and Biden had a very hands off approach when he was president, he and the AG were very nervous about looking political.
Just a reminder for the record, yhe "hands off approach" is actually the way the system was designed, the Department of Justice being unbiased and independent, or else its tyranny.
Yeah unfortunately they fell victim to the paradox of intolerance in government branch form. Real threats to the country (and not just political victories) needed to be treated as such.
The bigger side was really just the Garland was arguably not the right man to meet that critical moment in American history. Having someone in that position who better appreciated the urgency of action needed could have certainly been accomplished without sacrificing the independence of the DOJ.
100% and it will be viewed as a mistake. By trying so hard to look apolitical they became extremely political in the opposite direction. Big fuck up in my opinion.
Because it would the great distraction they so desperately need. Also Trump hates democrats in general and the Clintons specifically, if he had anything of substance on anything that actually mattered he would press his advantage, he isn’t.
If anything, I would not be surprised if there was dirt on Clinton when it came to having extramarital sex with other adult women, but I have a feeling he has no interest in kids, unlike the Russian asset pedo rapist.
You're probably right. Clinton may be a disgusting individual, but he's a smart enough disgusting individual to make sure the girl has at least seen her 18th birthday for legal reasons.
I mean I would think that's the ONLY way one could be married to Bill. And assholes are all like "Well she's only married to him so she could climb the political ladder", like god forbid Hillary have any accomplishments of her own.
Bill Clinton was a rich well connected person in NY when Epstein was a rich well connected person in NY. No evidence that Clinton spent time with Epstein for anything other than fundraisers and charities. No evidence that he went to the island.
If there is evidence, lock him up. But I’m not holding my breath on that one. Clinton was president, he knows foreign operations and he knows traps.
Yeah that’s kinda how I’m seeing things for the moment. That’s not to say that Bill Clinton is some paragon of virtue, but he’s certainly not an idiot and as a man who has known full well that he will live out his days as a highly scrutinized and very public figure for decades, and for obvious reasons, it would definitely be a serious lapse in judgment, even for the most morally depraved, to partake.
Many of these other rich and powerful types no doubt felt more secure engaging in this sick shit because while they’re no doubt influential, they often operate much more “behind the curtain” than someone like a former president.
No magical abilities are required. I lived through both Clinton administrations and his time as governor of Arkansas, and this is precisely how he operates.
Wouldn't trump just call his bluff by persecuting him, or releasing the information on him, if your words were true? Clinton doesn't hold any cards rn, we know he's in the files same as Trump, but Trump has the files.
Trump is trying to persecute him, and he’s trying to shift the focus onto Clinton instead of himself precisely because Bill is in the files, and that lends Don’s attempt at a distraction more plausibility with his easily misled base (and the media, for that matter).
Clinton’s daring him to release the whole files because he knows Don won’t do it. Don will only ever approve the release of a pre-scrubbed, cherry-picked selection of files tailored to damage his enemies and nothing more, but even that will leave lingering questions he’ll never escape. Even so, it won’t stop him from lashing out at provocation. It’s just not in him.
Sometimes I wish there was an option to report the spreading of misinformation or when it comes to specific political things something that can ensure that you're not getting foreign users pretending to be from the country that they're trying to invite rage or propaganda with. But if that were to happen half of reddit would get banned
I literally said that if either side committed a crime that they should be prosecuted. Not a single word was edited. I only added context of understanding.
That being said, anyone who commits a crime should face full legal consequences for said crime. You can create whatever narrative you want but the simple facts remain, criminals deserve to be punished. Especially rapists, kid fuckers and politicians who believe themselves above the law.
didn't Bill just say to release all of it if Trump was innocent? Like, why redact it, I mean - Clinton said he himself had nothing to hide and had been saying this for months
Says the guy who got a blowie from an intern the denied it. This is him calling Trump's bluff. Both are likely statutory rapists posturing to protect themselves, nothing more. Stop protecting these disgusting men!
Bill's been pretty supporting of revealing the docs for awhile now.
Last Friday while listening to NPR they were saying that the DOJ released a statement that Bill was in the files "less than they had anticipated" so yeah it may just be that Bill, man whore he may be, doesn't diddle little kids.
Can we all finally agree that Trump being a pedophile in the Epstein documents is purely coincidental, and the actual reason its being concealed is because maga donors and major world leaders will be exposed!?!?
The DOJ is protecting the people that the world hinges on. Trump and Clinton are just collateral damage.
He's not only has been calling for the release since day one, hes never denied or hidden that he's been on the plane, if he actually did something it would be odd that he wouldn't try to cover it up, which means he likely ain't guilty of anything.
If Bill Clinton was in the files, he knows they will never be released so he can say this without having to worry. Trump will never release those files unredacted.
So this is just a win win for Clinton. If he is in the files he deserves to be punished severely. If not, good for him.
Public reporting shows that Donald Trump had a long standing social relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, appears in Epstein related contact records, sent Epstein a handwritten birthday letter containing a sexualised drawing and the line “may every day be another wonderful secret”, and publicly praised Epstein by saying he was “a terrific guy” who liked women “on the younger side”. Trump was also accused in sworn testimony and a 2016 civil lawsuit of raping a 13 year old at an Epstein residence, an allegation supported by a witness who said she recruited the minor for Epstein, while Epstein himself described Trump in interviews as one of his closest friends who enjoyed partying with young women.
You make this sound so unilateral and simple. Like trump is just going over it with a highlighter secretly and bondi won’t tell anyone.
DOJ lawyers (LOTS of them) redact. Leadership (bondi) sets boundaries. Courts are the referee.
Being named ≠ being accused ≠ being charged
That’s the DOJ’s strongest justification for redactions, and also the source of most public anger. It’s a tough job to have.
I imagine some pretty damning stuff is gonna come out either way
That’s because when you have an authoritarian in charge with nothing but toadies in important cabinet positions who do whatever he tells them, it is that unilateral and simple.
I think Trump is setting the boundaries for Bondi the DOJ. The law that was signed was very clear on the boundaries. I haven't heard the DOJ use the reasoning that they are in the process of charging anyone with a crime. In fact, I believe I recall Patel saying that there wasn't any evidence that anyone else involved. Should make the release of the files with just victims protected easy.
Trump has more power than any previous president. He has control over Congress and a conservative majority in the Supreme Court. He appointed cabinet members based on their loyalty to him. Listen to one of the cabinet meetings and that is very easy to tell. He took independent watchdog agencies and put them directly under his control. He has used those agencies to go after those that have dared to defy him. He fired all the Inspector Generals, ignoring the laws that protected them. He has repeatedly ignored the constitution, laws and court rulings. He has taken over powers that Congress is supposed to have. He tore down the East wing without getting the proper approvals. He has put his face on National Park passes and is trying to get his face on money. He got his name put on the Kennedy Memorial Center. He has deployed troops in US cities. He is threatening states that defy with the removal of federal funds. Look at his threats to Indiana for not gerrymandering their districts. Our government was set up with 3 co-equal branches of government with checks and balances. They were trying to keep from one person from having too much power.
The role of the president doesn't, if the other branches and the cabinet do their jobs. They're not.
100 of ~120 pages of what was "released" were completely redacted. Every word. That's not just victims names. This is the behavior of guilty people, and a guilty person is instructing the DOJ to do this and they're treating him like their king. The cult is yours, and yours with MAGA, because you refuse to do any reasoning.
I didn't edit anything. Trump signed a law saying that all the files were to be released with only the information on the victims redacted. So he did have oversight as he signed the law. However, we know he tried to block it up to the point he knew he couldn't. We also know his name is in the files. Trump appointed Bondi because of her loyality to him. Bondi will do what Trump asks her. We have seen that with the attempts to go after Smith, James and Comey. He posts a message on Truth Social telling her what to do and she obeyed. She had redacted more than the law allowed to try and protect Trump.
Then care to explain while some documents released years ago that showed trumps name were just released again and were redacted? Or how about the file where it showed photos of Trump in the desk. Once that got noticed it was removed from the files by the next morning. Trump is 100% directing bondi and the DOJ and such to remove his name and photos. Not to mention Trump could have had these files released in January. Needed time so made it go all the way to a vote. Then took longer than normal to finally sign the bill. Then it took Bondi 30 days to release the less than what she was supposed to. Clearly there’s a reason why it’s being dragged out as long as possible.
This is dumb. He knows they won’t be released. All this does is further confirm there’s too many powerful people implicated to fully release them including the current president. What a sham.
Unredacted or released? They have released hundreds of thousands of pages with a lot of the information redacted. If you release a page that is completely blacked out, is it really releasing the page? The law that was signed said that only information about the victims could be redacted. The DOJ broke the law.
Did a search and came up empty? I see nothing about 190 pages of unredacted files being released. You are welcome to share a link to the 190 pages or a story about the 190 pages.
No. The left is like “release all the files and put ALL the guilty mother fuckers in prison regardless of who they are.” THAT’S what the Left is saying. The Right is saying something else entirely.
If you think that comment says “Clinton isn’t guilty”, you’re lacking serious reading comprehension skills. It’s saying that if Bill Clinton were implicated in those files, Trump would’ve had them released immediately. Unless, of course, Trump was also implicated in those files.
Either way, nobody gives a shit if Clinton goes to prison for committing crimes. That’s where people who commit crimes belong. It’s not like we’ll have to get rid of my Clinton hat, shoes, cell phone, gold bars, social media account, flags, posters, etc.
Idolatry is the right’s game. The left is the party of law and order.
"The left is the party of law and order." Omg really the "mostly peaceful", defund the police, and let violent offenders out of jail multiple times so they can hit old ladies in the face with a spiked board and blind them party of law and order right.
Defunding the police is anti-violence. It’s a protest against police brutality, which is against the law (duh).
Are you referring to the pardons of 1,500 J6 insurrectionists including Peter Schwartz and Christopher John Worrell (assaulting police officers)? Or Ross Ulbricht who founded the Silk Road and was serving 40+ years for drug distribution? Or Michele Fiore who committed wire fraud and conspiracy? Or 23 anti-abortion demonstrators who threatened and harassed people seeking healthcare? Andrew Zabavsky? Terence Dale Sutton Jr.? Rod Blagojevich? Devon Archer? George Santos? Changpeng Zhao? Michael Grimm? Trevor Milton? Paul Walczak? Marian Morgan? Arthur Hayes? Ben Delo? Samuel Reed? Rudy Giuliani? Sidney Powell? Kenneth Chesebro? Mark Meadows? John Eastman? Christina Bobb? Boris Epshteyn?
Add all of those to the fact that republicans chose a convicted felon over a career prosecutor.
Let’s also tack on all of the illegal orders that Trump has tried to push and illegal actions by this administration. Here’s a helpful guide.
Yes, that's why the left is demanding to see the unredacted files - so that they can defend Clinton.
Your comment is so absolutely stupid, I don't know where to start. How exactly do you think they will defend Clinton if the files have evidence of him committing crimes?
There is only one group trying to fight the release - Trump and his cronies. Everyone else wants to see the files so that justice can be done for ALL offenders.
It is saying if there was enough good evidence to implicate Clinton while being THE big story, then Trump would do so.
It is not saying Clinton is innocent. It is saying that whatever there is for Clinton, it is such that exposing it would either be the same or less than public knowledge about Clinton or Trump (ie, not a 'big' story), or that if there is new evidence, that evidence implicates people beyond Clinton/Maxwell/Epstein, potentially including Trump or other high profile people Trump does not want exposed.(ie, the exposure beyond Clinton would be the 'big' story, and Clinton would be a secondary story - not to say it would not be important, but overshadowed by the other revelations)
But we don't know, because they are releasing partial files filled with obviously unnecessary and illegal redactions (an 119 page grand jury report can not be entirely victim information, it must include information about the accused and the criminal acts, but they redacted everything).
They also redacted Trump's name, from.information that would put him closer to client than victim (but not necessarily a criminal) from documents already released with victim info redacted that left Trump's name unredacted. He is not a victim, presumably.not under investigation, and his name on this document is already known with respect to National Security concerns, so what possible reason is there for redacting it other than as part of a systematic redaction of a person's name who the law, which he signed, states is not eligible for redaction ('no politician, public figure or foreign dignitaries may be redacted for reasons of embarrassment, reputational harm or image' or something to that effect in legalese).
If Bill's in there and there's evidence he committed crimes, send him to prison. This is the overwhelming sentiment of everyone on the left.
What you think is being said isn't what is being said. What's being said is there's no logical reason for Trump to hide the content of the files if it's bad for Bill and not himself. Guilty people act like Trump is acting. Bill is saying what he's saying because he either is very confident he's innocent or he doesn't mind going down if it brings Trump down too. There's no other plausible reason.
If you think that comment is saying Clinton is innocent, you need to work on your reading comprehension. It’s obviously saying that both are guilty, but Trump’s mountainous guilt is over shadowing.
"Compared to" = they're all dirty, but one maybe murdered kids, who's to say, release all the files
Also, that's speculation. Not a call to inaction or whatever.
Rule 2 - User lives in a fucking fantasy land where the left is fiercely defending Clinton despite a statistical probability that they have met no such person and just got this bullshit narrative from their "news".
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If it takes 1,000 FBI agents and they still can’t wipe all the instances!!
Well, it is more than just Trump, they are trying to protect the people involved with 2025 and rich donors.
If Bill takes everyone down with him, it would be poetic
I want Bill to be like “yeah I’m a creep, but this dude was sitting next to me the WHOLE time and arranged most of the parties” and just dump a bunch of photos and videos.
Bill has always preferred adult women.
And he had almost supernatural charisma.
When that was going down my mom was like, "I'd do it, he's charming"
This word is always used and man I sometimes wish I could have met prime slick willy just to experience it. Maybe that's why Donny was so willing to exercise his epiglottis for ole bill.
This, children have never been his thing even when he was pretty young himself.
Donika Lewinski in a little lovers quarrel??
That's the confidence of a man who either is exonerated by the release of the files, or knows his card is punched anyways.
Either way I'm here for it, Bubba.
Bubba be like....
Yeah, show the world everything, including when you blew me...
One tweet is all it would take "I did not have sexual relations with that man, the US president"
"Depends on what your definition of 'relations' is"
Or a tweet with Bubba holding a cigar tube and a shit eating smile.
"He knew his way around a hog."
I can hear this in his voice
I still think it's the horse.
I don't actually think Bill is going down. I'm genuinely surprised because prior to this release, I thought he was probably guilty. He's creepy and gross, and the power imbalance between him and Monica Lewinsky shows he isn't above taking advantage of vulnerable women.
But then the "release" happened, and it's clear the Trump administration is trying to make us all think Bill Clinton is guilty of something. Especially by including just random photos of him that aren't even tied to Epstein. But yet there is no actual evidence of his guilt? No testimony from victims or witnesses? No bank transactions? I suspect that's because if any of the witnesses had interactions with him at all, they will say he didn't do anything. That's already the case with the woman who was giving him a shoulder massage in that one photo.
If they actually had evidence he was guilty of anything, why would they hold it back while simultaneously trying to insinuate he is guilty? Why would they not already be prosecuting him to satisfy the people calling for blood? That makes no sense.
Not only that about the random photos, two were AI doctored
Yeah that’s kind of a good point. I was sort of on the fence about Bill’s guilt here because he’s no doubt a horndog, but being a horndog does not necessarily a pedophile make, and beyond that certain individuals are easier to speculate about in that way, like Donald, because their penchant for sadism is readily apparent, whereas with Bill, he doesn’t really come across in that way. Though of course some sadists do mask those tendencies better than others.
But yeah, the fact that they’re clearly orchestrating this release to imply his guilt, without providing any actual evidence of his guilt (including as you said releasing photos that aren’t actually connected to the Epstein case while essentially claiming that they are) definitely sheds some serious doubt on whether there actually exists any evidence of what they’re trying to imply to the public.
I never got the impression that he used power imbalance to get sex. The first woman, Paula Jones, never faced any consequences for saying no (as far as I know anyway) and Monica didn't seem to be pressured or anything.
Misha Collins (Cas for Supernatural) was actually an intern at the White House right before Lewinsky before, and he later wrote an article defending her like "look EVERYONE was infatuated with the President" .
Now, teh argument can be made that Clinton, being older and the President, should have kept it in his pants and that he did indeed take advantage of a young woman's infatuation, and you'd be right, but he didn't threaten her job or anything.
It's gross, but not in the same way.
All the Russian MAGA accounts on here will try their best to say “both sides” 🥴
Shut them down folks. Shut those trolls down!
I am not sure what you mean. Both sides what? Both side should be held accountable? Then absolutely yes.
The defining definition of a democracy is that lawmakers, agencies, law enforcement should be scrutinized regardless of party affiliation. Mistakes or abuses should be exposed and corrected. Always.
Edit: I see that the OP was simply saying that MAGA will argue that both sides suck, which i agree with. I failed to understand the context of their original text. My badness. Sorry and all that.
Not a fan of Bill Clinton
But if he is saying release everything and trump is the pedo (which he is) and Bill isn’t (which I don’t know), then again, both sides are not the same.
So im being downvoted for saying that regardless of political affiliation people who vomit crimes should be prosecuted? Great. Makes total sense.
That’s not what you said. You said both sides are equally bad, which is verifiably false.
Yeah, i said if both sides are guilty of a crime then they should be prosecuted. Literally. If you are a fucking Democrat or a Republican and you committed a crime you should be charged and prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law.
I agree with you, but that’s not what your previous comment said. It may have been what you meant, but it is not in fact what it says.
I may be confused then. Please explain where i deviated.
How is Mother Russia, komrade?
How about saying child rapers should be held accountable. Even if they are Israeli PM. British Royalty, or some of the richest people in the world. It’s beyond American politics.
Absolutely 100%. They are just awful. But let's not forget, child rapists should be held accountable too.
Yeah I dont get the downvotes.
IDGAF what party they're in, if they were involved there should be legal consequences. No exceptions.
Cool, I'm glad that you agree with what the left has been saying since this all began.
You really showed that Strawman who’s boss.
BUT CLINTON!!!! MAGA treats politics like it’s their favorite football team
Buttery Males!!
I love it. hey, if they have proof clinton is a pedo, lock him the fuck up, but if not, why not release all the documents? Never mind, I know why
You know how slick AND well educated this guy is? He’s like the Michael Jordan of politics. He’s like Mike Tyson. This guy can outfox anyone in politics today with half his brain tied behind his back.
I was just comin' in to say; "We don't call him Slick Willy for nothin'!"
I always think of the day that Republican brains just collectively short circuited was the day when, during his impeachment trial he was asked if he had sexual relations with Monical Lewinsky. He turned to the Judge (whose opinion was the only one that mattered in that moment) and asked for a definition of what sexual relations were. The Judge indicated that sexual relations meant penis in vagina sex and Bill grinned and answered, "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!"
Fucking brilliant. And god those hypocritical buffoons got so damn mad.
And now the same maga morons say Trump was not liable for rape because New York State defined rape as penile penetration. The inability of trump supporters to think logically is amazing.
Let's be honest. Him using half a brain is still twice as much as a Maggat from the Repedocan Party.
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Sweet Jesus I completely forgot about this. Still stupefied.
The fact that they missed one then tried to quickly identify it shows it’s all about protecting trump from the consequences of his own actions
I mean Clinton from the start was saying release them as he believes he has nothing to worry about.
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Everyone in those files that were involved deserve to burn and I would like it to be televised🤣
Goated Clinton
All the pedo defenders in here is crazy. Left or right a pedo is a pedo.
I'm sorry, but this is typical Clinton maneuvering. He knows Trump will never release the complete files, but by demanding that Trump do so, he creates the illusion that he has nothing to hide.
If Clinton really cared about transparency, he'd come forward and tell everything he knows. Which is a helluva lot.
And if the files do implicate Clinton, then why is Trump hiding them?
He’s not. Anything with Clinton would absolutely be released. It’s not an either or proposition. They can easily pick which files to redact or withhold.
Or it could be that Clinton is not worried about the files because he is not guilty. Not everything is a conspiracy and absolutely no one, well other than Trump, would insist on releasing info knowing they would implicate himself.
They've been trying to get dirt on both Clintons for decades and have gotten next to nothing. The fact that people still think they're guilty shows how effective the Right Wing propaganda machine is.
What does Clinton get out of this? It’s pretty well known he was on the island and flew on the plane the same time as some of the victims?
It wouldn't be smart for Clinton to tell everything he knows. Not right now, atleast. He has rights not to say anything that might incriminate him. He's no dummy; he knows the law.
What he can safely do is call-out Trump; put pressure on Trump. And when Trump balks (which he certainly will), it will make Trump look even worse.
I don’t buy it. If they had anything real on Bill they would’ve released it and started prosecution. They’ve been trying to find a distraction forever, we’re going to war with Venezuela only as a distraction.
If they had evidence of Bill raping kids they’d prosecute and that might actually be enough of a distraction. But they aren’t.
Difference is Trump owns the Justice Department and Biden had a very hands off approach when he was president, he and the AG were very nervous about looking political.
Just a reminder for the record, yhe "hands off approach" is actually the way the system was designed, the Department of Justice being unbiased and independent, or else its tyranny.
So tyranny it is
Yeah unfortunately they fell victim to the paradox of intolerance in government branch form. Real threats to the country (and not just political victories) needed to be treated as such.
The bigger side was really just the Garland was arguably not the right man to meet that critical moment in American history. Having someone in that position who better appreciated the urgency of action needed could have certainly been accomplished without sacrificing the independence of the DOJ.
100% and it will be viewed as a mistake. By trying so hard to look apolitical they became extremely political in the opposite direction. Big fuck up in my opinion.
No one is getting prosecuted. Why do you think they would all of a sudden prosecute Clinton?
Didnt trump specifically ask for Democrats in the files to be investigated?
Sounds like something he would say.
Because it would the great distraction they so desperately need. Also Trump hates democrats in general and the Clintons specifically, if he had anything of substance on anything that actually mattered he would press his advantage, he isn’t.
That's the exact same argument MAGA is using to defend Trump.
The difference is that the Trump administration has the files in hand right now.
They were on Bondi’s desk,
then they didn’t exist,
also we’re not going to release them,
congress is forcing us to release them which is weird since we were always totally cool with releasing them…?
just give us like a month to make some totally appropriate redactions
now they exist again but they’re 99.9% redacted,
and there’s even more files but we can’t release them right now because reasons.
The files were also sealed by the court until Maxwell’s trial ended.
This is not an apples to apples comparison.
If anything, I would not be surprised if there was dirt on Clinton when it came to having extramarital sex with other adult women, but I have a feeling he has no interest in kids, unlike the Russian asset pedo rapist.
You're probably right. Clinton may be a disgusting individual, but he's a smart enough disgusting individual to make sure the girl has at least seen her 18th birthday for legal reasons.
Ultimately, I think that Bill Clinton likes to fuck, just not his wife.
Honestly, I think they just have an open marriage but America is too prudish to just accept that.
Oddly this sounds plausible. He's had enough oopsies over the decades that if she was hard-core about it, she'd be gone by now.
I mean I would think that's the ONLY way one could be married to Bill. And assholes are all like "Well she's only married to him so she could climb the political ladder", like god forbid Hillary have any accomplishments of her own.
I was thinking Bill is becoming a sacrificial lamb.
Too bad it's over gross stuff.
Or Bill never actually partook in the offerings from Epstein.
Or Bill and Trump are too entwined with the Epstein stuff that he knows Trump can't bust Bill without exposing himself.
Or Bill has been in fairly poor health the last few years and knows even if Trump did, it'd be too late to do anything and he'll be dead.
Bill Clinton was a rich well connected person in NY when Epstein was a rich well connected person in NY. No evidence that Clinton spent time with Epstein for anything other than fundraisers and charities. No evidence that he went to the island.
If there is evidence, lock him up. But I’m not holding my breath on that one. Clinton was president, he knows foreign operations and he knows traps.
Pretty much this.
Yeah that’s kinda how I’m seeing things for the moment. That’s not to say that Bill Clinton is some paragon of virtue, but he’s certainly not an idiot and as a man who has known full well that he will live out his days as a highly scrutinized and very public figure for decades, and for obvious reasons, it would definitely be a serious lapse in judgment, even for the most morally depraved, to partake.
Many of these other rich and powerful types no doubt felt more secure engaging in this sick shit because while they’re no doubt influential, they often operate much more “behind the curtain” than someone like a former president.
That's bullshit! 🤦🏻♀️There is no possible way that you can magically know what Clinton is thinking and what Trump will do.
No magical abilities are required. I lived through both Clinton administrations and his time as governor of Arkansas, and this is precisely how he operates.
He's not known as "Slick Willy" for nothing.
Yeah they are just playing war games with each other. It's not a noble pursuit by intention most likely.
You make valid points for sure.
Ding ding ding!
It’s a bluff, and most of the world are falling for it.
Wouldn't trump just call his bluff by persecuting him, or releasing the information on him, if your words were true? Clinton doesn't hold any cards rn, we know he's in the files same as Trump, but Trump has the files.
Trump is trying to persecute him, and he’s trying to shift the focus onto Clinton instead of himself precisely because Bill is in the files, and that lends Don’s attempt at a distraction more plausibility with his easily misled base (and the media, for that matter).
Clinton’s daring him to release the whole files because he knows Don won’t do it. Don will only ever approve the release of a pre-scrubbed, cherry-picked selection of files tailored to damage his enemies and nothing more, but even that will leave lingering questions he’ll never escape. Even so, it won’t stop him from lashing out at provocation. It’s just not in him.
a bluff, huh? So that's why they try to cover up the files
Sometimes I wish there was an option to report the spreading of misinformation or when it comes to specific political things something that can ensure that you're not getting foreign users pretending to be from the country that they're trying to invite rage or propaganda with. But if that were to happen half of reddit would get banned
Old Slick Willy has a chance to be the hero here, even if he’s done wrong.
rare bill clinton W. rare ex or current president W
All of this stuff happened after Lewinsky. I’m sure Bill was being super careful after that went down.
MAGAs can’t comprehend insinuation. So pretty much worthless
This could be a murder-suicide pack and I would still love it.
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Bill Clinton: somehow the good guy to Redditors
You should search the files and see how many times each name appears.
Get the unredacted ones first then search…and put them all away
Bill Clinton playing the “don’t ask, don’t tell” card until the very end. Ironically poetic it actually benefitted us in the end lmao
I literally said that if either side committed a crime that they should be prosecuted. Not a single word was edited. I only added context of understanding.
That being said, anyone who commits a crime should face full legal consequences for said crime. You can create whatever narrative you want but the simple facts remain, criminals deserve to be punished. Especially rapists, kid fuckers and politicians who believe themselves above the law.
Bubba's got the video tapes of the succ.
It’s only ever been about insinuation from both sides because none of these fucks is ever going to jail. NEVER. You’re a fool if you think otherwise.
Bill should call his bluff and release the POV of Trump blowing him
Which talking point?
How old is that girl in the picture with Willie 14?
the one that was ai doctored?
Dream on,how come he and H won’t answer the subpoena, they don’t remember right
didn't Bill just say to release all of it if Trump was innocent? Like, why redact it, I mean - Clinton said he himself had nothing to hide and had been saying this for months
Own that shit Bill!
Says the guy who got a blowie from an intern the denied it. This is him calling Trump's bluff. Both are likely statutory rapists posturing to protect themselves, nothing more. Stop protecting these disgusting men!
Lol damn... Bill was like IHYNLD
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Bill Clinton rn:
Apparently, Bill Clinton just likes the occasional hot tub. 😏 He also dared you to expose ALL the info. Your move...
Bill's been pretty supporting of revealing the docs for awhile now.
Last Friday while listening to NPR they were saying that the DOJ released a statement that Bill was in the files "less than they had anticipated" so yeah it may just be that Bill, man whore he may be, doesn't diddle little kids.
Why won’t they testify under oath?
Can we all finally agree that Trump being a pedophile in the Epstein documents is purely coincidental, and the actual reason its being concealed is because maga donors and major world leaders will be exposed!?!?
The DOJ is protecting the people that the world hinges on. Trump and Clinton are just collateral damage.
Dude he was literally poaching young girls to being to mar a lago you can't possibly be this much of an animal.
I already knew Clinton was a piece of shit. I know that he participated in the rape cult.
But fuck he’s smooth. This is hilarious.
Anyways throw him and every other rapist in jail forever.
Clinton the most heroic pedophile President
He's not only has been calling for the release since day one, hes never denied or hidden that he's been on the plane, if he actually did something it would be odd that he wouldn't try to cover it up, which means he likely ain't guilty of anything.
If Bill Clinton was in the files, he knows they will never be released so he can say this without having to worry. Trump will never release those files unredacted.
So this is just a win win for Clinton. If he is in the files he deserves to be punished severely. If not, good for him.
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Trump is attracted to young children. You people are sick.
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Public reporting shows that Donald Trump had a long standing social relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, appears in Epstein related contact records, sent Epstein a handwritten birthday letter containing a sexualised drawing and the line “may every day be another wonderful secret”, and publicly praised Epstein by saying he was “a terrific guy” who liked women “on the younger side”. Trump was also accused in sworn testimony and a 2016 civil lawsuit of raping a 13 year old at an Epstein residence, an allegation supported by a witness who said she recruited the minor for Epstein, while Epstein himself described Trump in interviews as one of his closest friends who enjoyed partying with young women.
You can call on this all you want, it’s not trumps decision what gets released and bill knows that
Whose decision is it? Bondi will do whatever Trump tells her to do.
Love how you edited your comment presumably after looking it up.
Courts and judges. Trump has no oversight into what’s redacted. Bill is saying this knowing it’ll be redacted either way
So Bondi’s call then?
Not bondi alone. DOJ leadership. Trump gets no say. He won’t be able to even see them
Who is the head of the DOJ that has the final say?
You make this sound so unilateral and simple. Like trump is just going over it with a highlighter secretly and bondi won’t tell anyone.
DOJ lawyers (LOTS of them) redact. Leadership (bondi) sets boundaries. Courts are the referee.
Being named ≠ being accused ≠ being charged That’s the DOJ’s strongest justification for redactions, and also the source of most public anger. It’s a tough job to have.
I imagine some pretty damning stuff is gonna come out either way
That’s because when you have an authoritarian in charge with nothing but toadies in important cabinet positions who do whatever he tells them, it is that unilateral and simple.
So why is he still named at all???
Because they aren’t great at their jobs. That’s what happens when you put loyalty over competence.
I think Trump is setting the boundaries for Bondi the DOJ. The law that was signed was very clear on the boundaries. I haven't heard the DOJ use the reasoning that they are in the process of charging anyone with a crime. In fact, I believe I recall Patel saying that there wasn't any evidence that anyone else involved. Should make the release of the files with just victims protected easy.
JFC. tRUMP is a fucking dictator. Nothing happens without his approval.
You’re in a cult. The president doesn’t have that much power in America
Trump has more power than any previous president. He has control over Congress and a conservative majority in the Supreme Court. He appointed cabinet members based on their loyalty to him. Listen to one of the cabinet meetings and that is very easy to tell. He took independent watchdog agencies and put them directly under his control. He has used those agencies to go after those that have dared to defy him. He fired all the Inspector Generals, ignoring the laws that protected them. He has repeatedly ignored the constitution, laws and court rulings. He has taken over powers that Congress is supposed to have. He tore down the East wing without getting the proper approvals. He has put his face on National Park passes and is trying to get his face on money. He got his name put on the Kennedy Memorial Center. He has deployed troops in US cities. He is threatening states that defy with the removal of federal funds. Look at his threats to Indiana for not gerrymandering their districts. Our government was set up with 3 co-equal branches of government with checks and balances. They were trying to keep from one person from having too much power.
The role of the president doesn't, if the other branches and the cabinet do their jobs. They're not.
100 of ~120 pages of what was "released" were completely redacted. Every word. That's not just victims names. This is the behavior of guilty people, and a guilty person is instructing the DOJ to do this and they're treating him like their king. The cult is yours, and yours with MAGA, because you refuse to do any reasoning.
I didn't edit anything. Trump signed a law saying that all the files were to be released with only the information on the victims redacted. So he did have oversight as he signed the law. However, we know he tried to block it up to the point he knew he couldn't. We also know his name is in the files. Trump appointed Bondi because of her loyality to him. Bondi will do what Trump asks her. We have seen that with the attempts to go after Smith, James and Comey. He posts a message on Truth Social telling her what to do and she obeyed. She had redacted more than the law allowed to try and protect Trump.
Then care to explain while some documents released years ago that showed trumps name were just released again and were redacted? Or how about the file where it showed photos of Trump in the desk. Once that got noticed it was removed from the files by the next morning. Trump is 100% directing bondi and the DOJ and such to remove his name and photos. Not to mention Trump could have had these files released in January. Needed time so made it go all the way to a vote. Then took longer than normal to finally sign the bill. Then it took Bondi 30 days to release the less than what she was supposed to. Clearly there’s a reason why it’s being dragged out as long as possible.
Trump controls the DOJ and FBI.
Whose is it? Congress signed a law. Trump signed the law. So why is Trump not releasing it all?
Bondi is a Trump's puppet so it's his decision.
2 month old bot
This is dumb. He knows they won’t be released. All this does is further confirm there’s too many powerful people implicated to fully release them including the current president. What a sham.
Lol. Nice try Bill.
Trump should show him and have Bondi release the files with only the victims protected.
190 pages unredacted just hit. That’s 100s of thousand of pages more than anyone else has released. Bill.
Okay this is clearly a bot
Says 100 pages, then 100s of thousands of pages
Unredacted? Damn near every page is just reactions. Literally everything blocked out 🤣
Unredacted or released? They have released hundreds of thousands of pages with a lot of the information redacted. If you release a page that is completely blacked out, is it really releasing the page? The law that was signed said that only information about the victims could be redacted. The DOJ broke the law.
190 pages were called out by the public, they are now unredacted. You haven’t read any of these have you??
Did a search and came up empty? I see nothing about 190 pages of unredacted files being released. You are welcome to share a link to the 190 pages or a story about the 190 pages.
You searched Reddit lol. Go to the DoJ website dingus.
I did search the DOJ website and do not see 190 pages that were released unredacted
The 190 pages were from the Grand Jury proceedings held during the original Epstein trials. Good luck.
A link would solve this issue. But you don't have one do you?
Nope! Someone just isn’t used to people disagreeing with them. Color me shocked!!!
So can you explain how 190 is "100s of thousands"?
190 just got unredacted today. Total files in 100’s of thousands. Have you not even looked at them?
Ah so it's just your use of "that's" that was weird, got it.
I used it properly, to mean that is?
Yeah and it was a weird way to say it. For future reference saying "that makes" fits better than "that is" in this context.
Almost like English isn't their first language... Hmm...
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No. The left is like “release all the files and put ALL the guilty mother fuckers in prison regardless of who they are.” THAT’S what the Left is saying. The Right is saying something else entirely.
exactly Fuck Bill Clinton in the ear, but it would be great if he could take trump down with him.
This is the top comment of r/politics
"There you go... calling it right now... there is nothing on Clinton compared to Trump."
One random guy says one thing on the Internet
“Look! Look what the entire left is saying!”
Or this one with 6.5k up votes.
"If Bill Clinton was the big story here you can bet Trump would've had the release of these files on express But that's not what he's doing now is it"
People are doing backflips trying to protect Clinton on the left.
If you think that comment says “Clinton isn’t guilty”, you’re lacking serious reading comprehension skills. It’s saying that if Bill Clinton were implicated in those files, Trump would’ve had them released immediately. Unless, of course, Trump was also implicated in those files.
Either way, nobody gives a shit if Clinton goes to prison for committing crimes. That’s where people who commit crimes belong. It’s not like we’ll have to get rid of my Clinton hat, shoes, cell phone, gold bars, social media account, flags, posters, etc.
Idolatry is the right’s game. The left is the party of law and order.
"The left is the party of law and order." Omg really the "mostly peaceful", defund the police, and let violent offenders out of jail multiple times so they can hit old ladies in the face with a spiked board and blind them party of law and order right.
You picked 2 comments that CLEARLY don’t support your conclusions about “the left” just to be clear
Repedocan Party
Defunding the police is anti-violence. It’s a protest against police brutality, which is against the law (duh).
Are you referring to the pardons of 1,500 J6 insurrectionists including Peter Schwartz and Christopher John Worrell (assaulting police officers)? Or Ross Ulbricht who founded the Silk Road and was serving 40+ years for drug distribution? Or Michele Fiore who committed wire fraud and conspiracy? Or 23 anti-abortion demonstrators who threatened and harassed people seeking healthcare? Andrew Zabavsky? Terence Dale Sutton Jr.? Rod Blagojevich? Devon Archer? George Santos? Changpeng Zhao? Michael Grimm? Trevor Milton? Paul Walczak? Marian Morgan? Arthur Hayes? Ben Delo? Samuel Reed? Rudy Giuliani? Sidney Powell? Kenneth Chesebro? Mark Meadows? John Eastman? Christina Bobb? Boris Epshteyn?
Add all of those to the fact that republicans chose a convicted felon over a career prosecutor.
Let’s also tack on all of the illegal orders that Trump has tried to push and illegal actions by this administration. Here’s a helpful guide.
Yes, that's why the left is demanding to see the unredacted files - so that they can defend Clinton.
Your comment is so absolutely stupid, I don't know where to start. How exactly do you think they will defend Clinton if the files have evidence of him committing crimes?
There is only one group trying to fight the release - Trump and his cronies. Everyone else wants to see the files so that justice can be done for ALL offenders.
Dog if you consider upvotes on a huge sub like r/politics to be definitive proof of anything, then you’re actually cooked
How is that protecting Clinton?
It is saying if there was enough good evidence to implicate Clinton while being THE big story, then Trump would do so.
It is not saying Clinton is innocent. It is saying that whatever there is for Clinton, it is such that exposing it would either be the same or less than public knowledge about Clinton or Trump (ie, not a 'big' story), or that if there is new evidence, that evidence implicates people beyond Clinton/Maxwell/Epstein, potentially including Trump or other high profile people Trump does not want exposed.(ie, the exposure beyond Clinton would be the 'big' story, and Clinton would be a secondary story - not to say it would not be important, but overshadowed by the other revelations)
But we don't know, because they are releasing partial files filled with obviously unnecessary and illegal redactions (an 119 page grand jury report can not be entirely victim information, it must include information about the accused and the criminal acts, but they redacted everything).
They also redacted Trump's name, from.information that would put him closer to client than victim (but not necessarily a criminal) from documents already released with victim info redacted that left Trump's name unredacted. He is not a victim, presumably.not under investigation, and his name on this document is already known with respect to National Security concerns, so what possible reason is there for redacting it other than as part of a systematic redaction of a person's name who the law, which he signed, states is not eligible for redaction ('no politician, public figure or foreign dignitaries may be redacted for reasons of embarrassment, reputational harm or image' or something to that effect in legalese).
"protect"
If Bill's in there and there's evidence he committed crimes, send him to prison. This is the overwhelming sentiment of everyone on the left.
What you think is being said isn't what is being said. What's being said is there's no logical reason for Trump to hide the content of the files if it's bad for Bill and not himself. Guilty people act like Trump is acting. Bill is saying what he's saying because he either is very confident he's innocent or he doesn't mind going down if it brings Trump down too. There's no other plausible reason.
when you learn to read, you're going to look back at this thread and feel very foolish.
If you think that comment is saying Clinton is innocent, you need to work on your reading comprehension. It’s obviously saying that both are guilty, but Trump’s mountainous guilt is over shadowing.
"Compared to" = they're all dirty, but one maybe murdered kids, who's to say, release all the files Also, that's speculation. Not a call to inaction or whatever.
Me when I make up shit.
Literally everyone on the left wants them all out you stupid fuck.
The left considers Bill a Republican, you’re clueless!
Project much??? 🤣🤣🤣
The right are pedo supporters.
Nah it’s Donald propositioning a child on camera that makes me think he’s guilty. People that support this man are sick.
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Rule 2 - User lives in a fucking fantasy land where the left is fiercely defending Clinton despite a statistical probability that they have met no such person and just got this bullshit narrative from their "news".