The problem is they are delusional. I'll point out how they are like Nazis and people dismiss it instantly. Problem is, I know my history and they are using the same playbook.
Ice is the new Gestapo, Musk the new Goebbels and I suppose Pete hegseth reminds me of Goering. They're all substance abusers, and use hate to build their base.
And don't forget about Miller. Of Jewish heritage, family suffered in Nazi Germany, and now he's the poster boy for the good little Nazis of the US in 2025.
He’s for sure the Himmler of it all. Lifelong shithead that hates everything more than he likes anything who wants to control the world because he couldn’t figure out how to force people to like him when he was a kid.
They always despised him. Rotten from conception. Mommy had a 9 month stomach ache and he came out in a flush of diarrhea. Been stinking up the room ever since.
Everyone jokes about it, but Miller makes me wonder if reincarnation is real. The evil in that guy has been here before just like Himmler. That evil didn’t come from studying history.
It's a choice, an illogical one that can seem logical to a stupid smart person. Those people that might be smart in one little area of knowledge and fashion themselves some kind of genius being unaware of where their knowledge ends.
I feel sick saying it, but I have to give Himmler one notch higher than Miller on the cowardice ladder. Himmler had the guts to kill himself. Miller would never have the balls to do that.
My dad’s cousin helped miller write his college application essays. He intentionally applied only to liberal schools because he knew his message of hate would get him noticed by Republican kingmakers.
I was being a little facetious. I know full well that self hating little freak is a piece of filth so irredeemable, Be'elzebub would want an autograph.
It's also one of the things where few schools known for being arch conservative are taken seriously outside their arch-conservative circles. Liberty degrees are worthless outside of the Falwell bubble, same for Hillsdale college and its ilk - and those places supersaturate themselves with their own grads so in conservative circles a Liberty grad is a dime a dozen.
And don't forget about Miller. Of Jewish heritage, family suffered in Nazi Germany, and now he's the poster boy for the good little Nazis of the US in 2025.
I wonder what event or events create a person like Miller...
His father was very conservative and his mother is compliant. The word is that they have gone with him down the far right rabbit hole. He's a middle child who was always quiet and lame. Interesting note: when he was younger he was apparently at his kindest and most genuine when caring for his younger cousins ir family members. He liked children and babies in a not creepy way and was excellent with them and a different, warmer, happier person when doing this. I have seen pics of him with his own children and as much as I hate to say it, he looks like he really loves them. But Melania loves Barron and he's still reportedly a sociopath. Weird fucking people, man... I don't hate people who have tried to literally KILL me as much a Stephen Miller hates ... everything. Why, dude? Get help.
He liked children and babies in a not creepy way and was excellent with them and a different, warmer, happier person when doing this. I have seen pics of him with his own children and as much as I hate to say it, he looks like he really loves them.
A hallmark of conservatism is that they're extremely tribal, they're extremely good to their own tribe, while horrible to "the others". Think of the kindly old church lady who's a saint to the people who go to her church and also extremely racist and nasty to minorities.
I can see someone like Miller being nice to his tribe, which might just be his kids and little cousins, and a piece of shit to everybody else. That's conservatism, and people have different definitions for their own personal tribe.
It's so frustrating to witness the difference in how they treat people. One moment they're giving you the shirt off their back, the next they're bitching about minorities they've never met in person.
My mom, three times now, has helped women leave their abusive relationships. She fed them, helped buy them supplies, given them a bed to sleep in. Never asked for a penny, let them stay for weeks or months.
Next moment she's bitching about Somali immigrants despite never having met one. Coincidentally after the Somali community in Minnesota because the big MAGA target in the news, she complains about them.
They know how to treat people well, which means them choosing not to do so is a choice they're making. They believe these groups of people should be actively denied that sort of kindness.
Yeah but it's Reddit and no one has time to read the whole list.
I did mention they're using the same playbook. I was being broad in my statement. You're welcome to include a list of link to a website that's done a good comparison.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman* was charged with having sex (raping) with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman
They think it’s being used as a generic insult, without any meaning behind it. Because that’s what they are used to. Lobbing insults of ‘socialist’ and ‘radical left’, without any insight behind what those terms mean. So when they hear ‘fascist’, ‘authoritarian’, or ‘nazi’, they assume it is the same - a surface level insult. But when those terms are being used, it’s because their actions parallel the actions of those movements in the past
The other thing is a lot of people seem to think the only thing bad about Nazis was the holocaust. So if you haven't murdered millions of people, you aren't a Nazi. All the other bad and stupid things about Nazi politics aren't know.
That would make sense. They teach us that they were fleeing religious persecution, but what seems to be left out is that they were trying to force their will on others. So push back against them isn’t persecution so much as it is them not being able to force themselves on others.
Yeah that's why it's in quotes. It's the same way modern evangelicals claim that they are "persecuted". Because they can't stop people from being trans or gay or having abortions or learning about evolution.
Sounds just like modern Christianity. They constantly try to force their religion onto others and when they’re told to stop they scream and cry about being persecuted.
Exactly! They have their heads stuffed so far up their own sense of entitlement they can’t see through all that hypocrisy that they slather themselves in. It’s like nah, I ain’t coming at you for being “Christians”, coming at you because you’re one of them 100%, grade-A, bonafide p.o.s.
Sounds like ALL Judao-Christian religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have the same problem.
One true god who has chosen you as the one who is always right.
By definition in a world of polytheistic religions they were a bunch of assholes telling everyone else that their gods are fake. Nothing has ever changed since then.
The are self-righteous and lack self reflection.
That’s all before you consider that the first real lessons are that learning causes you to know sin, your body is naturally shameful, and women are a problem.
wtf is wrong with people. I read the beginning of the Bible at ~8 years old and immediately asked my parents what is wrong with grandma.
I think you meant to say “abrahamic religions”. “Judeo-Christianity” isn’t actually a thing beyond religious rightwing appeal to the religious cultural foundations of “western civilization”.
So these three religions are called Abrahamic because they all see Abraham as the first prophet of the Old Testament (I grew up Christian so I don’t know if Islam has an equivalent phrasing or not). It’s a very monotheistic, patriarchal “father of the religion” point of view that isn’t really seen in other religions.
Abrahamic as a term specifies a set of beliefs that is pretty much only found in those three religions. Technically there is a fourth that stems from Islam called Baha’i, but I know very very little about the specifics.
I mean, that is a very very strong tradition in American Protestant thought.
I went to school in the 80s and was taught that they were forced out and that they felt persecuted but that they felt the UK wanted them gone because they intended to force their belief on the rest of the country. So they were sent somewhere that they could do what they wanted.
The other thing is that, if all they wanted was religious freedom, they had that in Holland. They wanted more than that - they wanted to oppress other people, to force other people to conform to their religious views. That's why they came to the colonies.
When the Catholics and Anglicans stopped fighting long enough to collectively say fuck those people in particular, that's the time to reflect on life decisions.
My family landed in Plymouth in early 1630's ,settled in Salem and were harassed by the Puritans for their Quaker beliefs, accused of witchcraft and other "misdeeds", and in the 1640's migrated north to the coast of Maine where a large family of descendents still live .
Just did a bit of research on this based on your comment and I had no idea, super interesting. I’m originally from the UK so always viewed the story as being one about liberation and freedom, but no, it’s not that at all!
Don’t even need to get started on all the other shit elementary schools cleanse for indoctrinating American patriotism into children. Anything from celebrating Christopher Columbus, so glad I don’t see as many crazy teachers anymore dressing up their kids like Native Americans for fun, could go on.
If you like history, I highly recommend the book The Churching of America. Actually have a flight tomorrow and might grab it from my library and read again!
Your Department of War budget is 925 billion dollars. You threaten Greenland, Canada, Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela, and attacked Iran because the Zionists told you to. ICE kidnaps children on their way to school. “Bad guys” is letting you conservatives off easy.
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First of all, MAGA aren’t true conservatives - they’re reactionary outrage addicts, who abandoned true conservative ethics and efforts decades ago.
Secondly, the answer is “yes, you are the bad guys” - your abandonment of the rule of law and sycophantic abeyance to the most lawless, self-serving POTUS in history makes you enemies of the Constitution and the principles the USA has been working on refining for over two centuries.
If you thrive off making other people miserable then you suck as a human being. And you absolutely shouldn’t be in charge of making decisions for other people. Including voting.
Yep. When “owning the libs” is spending hundreds of billions to ruin tens/hundreds of thousands of people’s lives, kill at least tens of thousands of children, and make 95% of Americans worse off, you are the baddie no doubt.
They destroyed our adherence to the principles of the Magna Carta and Habeus corpus, foundations of American law, all without being able to define these terms…
I disagree, I think this is what "conservatism" looks like now. It's not isolated to the US, there seems to be a broader movement that's conflating protectionism and white nationalism, even at the expense of economic policy, which used to be the priority (sort of - conservative govs have historically been terrible about deficits).
Actually I would classify all Republicans not just MAGA as regressionist. This is mostly because contrary to the idea of conservatism they don't want to keep laws or anything of the sort the same, they aren't fighting for civil liberties to stay in one place, instead they fight to repeal civil liberties attempting at every step to regress the freedoms of people who aren't themand to fight the expansions and protection of the law don't let conservatives say that their movement is to conserve the constitution because it just literally isn't.
Okay, so where were you during Clinton? During Obama? Their terms were well before MAGA existed, yet the constant reactionary outrage very much existed.
How about the Satanic Panic? How about Civil Rights?
Conservatives have always been the reactionary party. They’ve always been outraged and aggrieved over everything. This isn’t new, and it’s exactly what led to a populist like Trump.
No. Stop giving them a free pass. They’ve supported this shit for many years. You only need look at who they elect, reelect, and their dead silence while their boys commit war crimes and human rights violations here at home. Oh, and their dead silence as brown people are being taken by the goon squad in violation of the constitution. No. This is exactly who they are. Do not give them any line of separation between them and MAGA. Just because they chew with their mouths closed and aren’t dirt poor doesn’t mean they’re any more civilized or less cruel.
Yeah, also, just a reminder that George Bush Sr’s father, Prescott Bush was involved in an attempted coup of the US government, suffered no real consequences, and conservatives elected his family into the highest office of the nation TWICE. Three times, if we include both of W’s terms separately.
Conservatives are the bad guys. They’ve always been the bad guys.
I have family members who are for the most part true conservatives and stopped supporting Trump a while back. the type who wanted someone else to be the republican nominee and voted Harris in 2024.
Yup. The root of the word "conservative" is "conserve". To conserve does not mean to return to a previous state. Things will never be how they used to be. To think that its possible is giving the middle finger to reality and nature itself. Nothing ever stays the same. You can try to maintain its current state with varying degrees of success, but it'll still change no matter what you do.
MAGA is a populist movement that desires to go back to a mythological time that never actually existed.
Gods above I followed the Q's channel for a few months in 2020 till I found out this asshat was a fascist misogynistic pile of shite. How is he still relevant?
He's in massive debt now because his "conservative coffee" grift completely failed. He's now begging his subs to tell him why they no longer watch his videos as much as they used to.
Exactly. The southern states should of all gotten what they wanted and had their statehood revoked and every southern state should have been lumped up into one US Occupied Territory.
Yep. As a former conservative and now politically homeless, I say this: you are the baddies. You were so hungry for power that you sacrificed your souls and turned your party over to the uneducated, illiterate, conspiracy theorists, and grievance mongers. You now wear the same shame that every former Nazi wears, because you were either too weak, too craven, or too stupid to see what the rest of us saw.
I am a former conservative and I turned a 180 in 2016 when the GOP nominated Trump. It was a “scales fell from my eyes” moment. I am now a full blown Lefty who would gladly vote for a DSA candidate if one was on the ballot.
It's wild how the word "woke" is used as a weapon to gatekeep people from "waking up." It's actually a great word to describe the feeling of the veil dropping
Same. That was the moment for me. The second Trump was nominated, I woke up. The things I said and believed before are embarrassing to me now, but that's a sign that I'm growing as a person. At least I had a line that I wouldn't cross, and I stuck to it.
I wish I could say the same about some of my family members.
The concept of having a political "home" is a large part of the problem. You aren't living in your party -> your party is a tool to get you to where you want to be. If you treat it as a home, you aren't going to leave when it starts going in the wrong direction.
Many democrats are controlled opposition, conservative operatives who only vote for good things or in unison with other dems. when it doesn't matter, or is a compromise designed by republicans. I count the 86 who voted to condem "socialism" because a democratic socialist won one election, as likely controlled opposition, and definitely the 23 who voted against impeachment last.
Republican both sides propaganda drivel so that real progress cannot be made here.
Only 72 days of Democratic party control throughout the entire twenty-first century. If you don't like the way things are going the past twenty five years, blame the republicans fully and rightly.
That is the problem with the 'Big Tent' and Never Trumpers merging. We end up with the sane conservatives who are succeeding in moving the Democratic Party to the Right. I tend to think it would be easier to kill off the GOP, let the Dems replace them as the true Right Wing (Sane version) and split off the left leaning progressives into a new party. Maybe the "Republican Socialists", just to make the break as cleanly as possible - lol
I remember watching the DNC turn away from Sanders, then towards Biden, and thinking to myself, "the conservatives have won". We have a centrist party and a far right party. Current democrats are old school republicans
You are 100 percent correct about the Overton window. But it's actually worse than what you said.
Because the Democrats are mainly liberals. But that word seems to be misunderstood by most Americans. Liberals are right wingers. They are just not as far right as the Fascists/Republicans.
The left is barely represented in American politics. Even people like Bernie and AOC are just left of center. They aren't radical in any way, unless seen from a far right perspective.
Democrats ARE the conservatives of American policy. Their capitalist liberaal ideas are the way they are because of conservatism. The constant compromising direction IS conservatism at play.
Democrats are the conservatives So vote for them.
MAGA and American Right like the GOP were never really conservatives. They just adopted the label.
They become an identity antagonist party under Reagan.
No no, you're knights that have full loyalty to your King. Unfortunately America doesn't have a good history with Kings and generally will rise up and not throw away their shot.
Let's not even talk about "conservatives" from 2015 to today. Conservative elites have pulled off the biggest con in American history. They managed to exploit ignorance and convince people to vote against their interests to steal wealth, knowing that if they convince people that "big government" is bad, they are destroying any unity that holds them accountable. The Republican plan is to steal as much as possible from working and middle class families, digging a hole that creates a 19th century society. I'm not saying the means of production belong to the people, what I am saying is that Republican elites have destroyed everything that made America great. Moreover, we couldn't even achieve the true promise we deserve. Until, Americans can live without concern over their healthcare and basic needs, our society and in fact our economy can't achieve it's true potential.
someone met a baddie who's changing his worldview...whatever it takes, man. noway they stumbled upon this possibility on their own. someone challenged him- and 1000% he thinks this person is hot, and now, identity crisis. so predictable.
Bad guys all around that incite violence. Every MAGAt friend I have is absolutely unhinged. Like wheels off the bus angry because of shit propaganda messaging.
Oh no! The party that has sacrificed all ethics and principles courting Authoritarians and White Supremacists all in the pursuit of power is worried that they are, in fact, Authoritarian White Supremacists! Lmao. Lol even. Love this for them.
As a conservative yes, yes we are. We have gotten so far outside the normal realm of republican/conservative party that I align more with the Democratic Party. Republicans have become the party for welcoming racism and not constitutionalism.
It is fascinating how naturally consecutives can play stupid to avoid be hold accountable, always using the victim card or (I didn't know) when we going to learn ? Since 2008 dealing with same bull shit.
People have to stop to give the benefit of the doubt to conservatives; they know exactly what they're doing.
Yes, yes you are. I was born into a cult(religious)and was pretty delusional myself. Hopefully more of these conservatives will wake up. However, The true bad guys are the rich people(not all rich people) manipulating the democrats and republicans to be divided and hate each other. We are powerful together and we are at our weakest when divided.
Yeah, they are the baddies.
The problem is they are delusional. I'll point out how they are like Nazis and people dismiss it instantly. Problem is, I know my history and they are using the same playbook.
Ice is the new Gestapo, Musk the new Goebbels and I suppose Pete hegseth reminds me of Goering. They're all substance abusers, and use hate to build their base.
And don't forget about Miller. Of Jewish heritage, family suffered in Nazi Germany, and now he's the poster boy for the good little Nazis of the US in 2025.
He’s for sure the Himmler of it all. Lifelong shithead that hates everything more than he likes anything who wants to control the world because he couldn’t figure out how to force people to like him when he was a kid.
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Nazferatu Miller will see this and want it framed for his desk made of human flesh.
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“Ho-oh-gannnnnn…..”
What a weak chin
Even his own family despises him…
They always despised him. Rotten from conception. Mommy had a 9 month stomach ache and he came out in a flush of diarrhea. Been stinking up the room ever since.
Good, at least they have some sense.
Himmler is the perfect comparison for miller. Himmler like miller is a true believer in the cause. Which makes him the most dangerous.
Everyone jokes about it, but Miller makes me wonder if reincarnation is real. The evil in that guy has been here before just like Himmler. That evil didn’t come from studying history.
It's a choice, an illogical one that can seem logical to a stupid smart person. Those people that might be smart in one little area of knowledge and fashion themselves some kind of genius being unaware of where their knowledge ends.
Little prick Himmler swallowed a cyanide capsule in British custody - coward to the end.
Too bad we still got all his tactics... that Miller is now using, we were supposed to use it to stop this shit, not give the God damn guidelines.
I feel sick saying it, but I have to give Himmler one notch higher than Miller on the cowardice ladder. Himmler had the guts to kill himself. Miller would never have the balls to do that.
He is the Himmler, but with uptalk like a Valley Girl accent with a rising tone and emphasis for the last word of every sentence.
The lisping just makes it even weirder. Karp has the same thing happening. They sound like literal children with grown up voices somehow?
He grew up in Santa Monica, which at the time had a thriving Vampire community, so it tracks that he turned out the way he did.
These guys rejected him and he's been salty ever since.
I mean, just look at them. There's no way he was cool enough to hang out with those guys.
Obviously he isn't welcome in their great hair club.
My dad’s cousin helped miller write his college application essays. He intentionally applied only to liberal schools because he knew his message of hate would get him noticed by Republican kingmakers.
She regretted helping him to her dying day.
So what you're saying is, zero redeeming qualities.
Exactly. Even for the age of 17, he was a piece of shit.
I was being a little facetious. I know full well that self hating little freak is a piece of filth so irredeemable, Be'elzebub would want an autograph.
Satan probably has his eye on him, too, but only because he's afraid the little bastard will try to take over Hell when he gets there.
It's also one of the things where few schools known for being arch conservative are taken seriously outside their arch-conservative circles. Liberty degrees are worthless outside of the Falwell bubble, same for Hillsdale college and its ilk - and those places supersaturate themselves with their own grads so in conservative circles a Liberty grad is a dime a dozen.
I’ve been summoned
I wonder what event or events create a person like Miller...
His father was very conservative and his mother is compliant. The word is that they have gone with him down the far right rabbit hole. He's a middle child who was always quiet and lame. Interesting note: when he was younger he was apparently at his kindest and most genuine when caring for his younger cousins ir family members. He liked children and babies in a not creepy way and was excellent with them and a different, warmer, happier person when doing this. I have seen pics of him with his own children and as much as I hate to say it, he looks like he really loves them. But Melania loves Barron and he's still reportedly a sociopath. Weird fucking people, man... I don't hate people who have tried to literally KILL me as much a Stephen Miller hates ... everything. Why, dude? Get help.
A hallmark of conservatism is that they're extremely tribal, they're extremely good to their own tribe, while horrible to "the others". Think of the kindly old church lady who's a saint to the people who go to her church and also extremely racist and nasty to minorities.
I can see someone like Miller being nice to his tribe, which might just be his kids and little cousins, and a piece of shit to everybody else. That's conservatism, and people have different definitions for their own personal tribe.
It's so frustrating to witness the difference in how they treat people. One moment they're giving you the shirt off their back, the next they're bitching about minorities they've never met in person.
My mom, three times now, has helped women leave their abusive relationships. She fed them, helped buy them supplies, given them a bed to sleep in. Never asked for a penny, let them stay for weeks or months.
Next moment she's bitching about Somali immigrants despite never having met one. Coincidentally after the Somali community in Minnesota because the big MAGA target in the news, she complains about them.
They know how to treat people well, which means them choosing not to do so is a choice they're making. They believe these groups of people should be actively denied that sort of kindness.
The brown ones aren’t people in her mind
Oh yes. That's exactly it. It's fucking sad.
He’s the most dangerous.
I mean, that scans considering israel is also part of The Axis 2: Electric Boogaloo
The parallels go far beyond just comparisons of leaders, down to almost exact timing for specific actions. Pretty easy to find a list just googling it
Yeah but it's Reddit and no one has time to read the whole list.
I did mention they're using the same playbook. I was being broad in my statement. You're welcome to include a list of link to a website that's done a good comparison.
Republicans Enable and Protect Pedophiles. https://goppredators.wordpress.com/2023/05/22/right-wing-sexual-predators-abusers-and-enablers/
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Donald Trump is accused of sexual assault by more than two dozen women. He is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl, talked about having sex with his daughter, bragged of walking in on underage girls at pageants, claimed he can grab women by the pussy. He was found liable of sexually assaulting E. Jean Carroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations https://www.gzeromedia.com/in-60-seconds/world/trump-sexual-abuse-verdict-wont-hurt-him-with-gop https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/14/donald-trump-e-jean-carroll-lawsuit-nut-job
Judge Roy Moore is accused of sexual assault and dating underage women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegation
Jim Jordan is in Republican House leadership though he is accused of ignoring sexual assault of more than a hundred young men while a coach, dismissing it as locker room talk. Students have said they told him and he is said to have called the parents of one complainant asking them to get their son to back off. https://www.vox.com/2018/7/6/17536388/jim-jordan-ohio-state-sexual-abuse-accuser https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/16/us/politics/jim-jordan-trump.html
Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert sexually abused his high school students. He is outside the statute of limitations but was convicted of paying off/bribing some of his victims https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/us/dennis-hastert-sentencing.html
Cobb County GOP Chairman Joseph Russell Dendy – child molesting – pleaded guilty, life sentence, parole possible in 30 years. He was 72. https://www.ajc.com/news/crime–law/cobb-gop-chairman-dendy-indicted-molestation-charges/Ajxs2SiORqMCCdVZpGqj1M/ https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt–politics/former-cobb-gop-leader-pleads-guilty-child-molestation-gets-life-sentence/JnEAITpb5Oy9iZ9RtsVvnI/
So-called “pro-life”/antigay activist Howard Scott Heldreth was convicted of raping a child. https://web.archive.org/web/20230601212352/https://shadowproof.com/2008/07/27/nc-antigay-operation-save-america-totes-convicted-child-rapist-to-charlotte-pride/
GOP Ohio County Commissioner David Swartz convicted of raping two girls – released after only 5 years!!!! Back in prison after contacting one of his victims. http://lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl. https://www.timesleader.com/archive/1063191/indecent-assault-case-judge-pleads-no-contest-mark-pazuhanich-says-he-didnt-want-his-daughter-to-have-to-testify-aboutfondling-incident
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing Child Sexual Abuse Material on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/03/10/nation-in-brief/83fbbb01-c7fc-437a-81c4-2f686e3f1e58/
Republican Speaker of the House in PR Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls. https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/26/nyregion/ex-mayor-convicted-in-sex-abuse-case.html
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-apr-06-me-47737-story.html
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with (RAPED) a 15-year old black girl which produced a child. https://web.archive.org/web/20190728115136/https://www.thenation.com/article/was-strom-rapist/
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female Juvenile. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/12/10/example-goes-from-good-to-bad/e73a7b08-5fb8-412a-ba7f-8fb473543e83/
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/nyregion/embroiled-first-selectman-takes-leave.html
Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail. https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/05/on_this_day_in_1989_buz_lukens.html
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2003/04/24/gop-activist-admits-to-child-porn/5af2adf0-bec8-4a10-b061-014de679422a/
Republican of the Year Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/vp-nw-mark-grethen-lawrenceville-correctional-20210806-dmjuk7zwgnfxvigjnjmy3257vy-story.html
Republican state senator Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma admitted to being involved in sodomy with a 17 year old male prostitute and transporting child pornography. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/20/former-oklahoma-state-senator-admits-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2008/01/28/onetime-rising-gop-star-back-to-prison-for-sex-assaults/
GOP Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a page. To be fair, Dem Congressman was Gerry Studds was also caught for the same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_congressional_page_sex_scandal
Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901574.html
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to raping his stepdaughter repeatedly after she was 15. Headline here is gross. Rape/not affair. https://greensboro.com/smith-stepfather-had-affair-that-began-when-she-was-15/article_549fa43d-e631-599b-8cad-177a71ad709e.html
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman* was charged with having sex (raping) with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped and notice, they agreed his record could be expunged in THREE YEARS! https://www.nj.com/ledgerarchives/2005/01/cops_say_jersey_suspects_sough.html https://archive.is/7agH6
They think it’s being used as a generic insult, without any meaning behind it. Because that’s what they are used to. Lobbing insults of ‘socialist’ and ‘radical left’, without any insight behind what those terms mean. So when they hear ‘fascist’, ‘authoritarian’, or ‘nazi’, they assume it is the same - a surface level insult. But when those terms are being used, it’s because their actions parallel the actions of those movements in the past
The other thing is a lot of people seem to think the only thing bad about Nazis was the holocaust. So if you haven't murdered millions of people, you aren't a Nazi. All the other bad and stupid things about Nazi politics aren't know.
There is a great game you can play called “Goebbels or Miller?” Take a quote from each and you’ll find it’s pretty difficult to guess who said what.
Came to post this exact gif. Left disappointed.
The gif that keeps on giving.
Hadn’t even accessed the comments and I already knew this would be here. Spoiler alert: They absolutely were the baddies all along.
I knew I wouldn't have to scroll far.
Yes. They are the baddies.
Came to post this lol
Same
Beginning to wonder? Man, you're slow.
Stupid and evil. What a dangerous combo.
I think "stupid" and "evil" are probably bedfellows
No. Smart and evil is worse. Maybe harder to come by, but worse when it comes by.
Same people who took 20 years to realise RATM was left-wing.
they still havent
they listen to rage like they arent the machine
Rage on Behalf of the Machine
Always have been
Yes, you are the bad guys.
And the history books will reflect that accordingly.
Just curious, what were you taught about why the Pilgrims came to America growing up?
That they were fleeing religious persecution.
What was left out was that they were "persecuted" because they were too fucking nutty by England's standards.
That would make sense. They teach us that they were fleeing religious persecution, but what seems to be left out is that they were trying to force their will on others. So push back against them isn’t persecution so much as it is them not being able to force themselves on others.
Yeah that's why it's in quotes. It's the same way modern evangelicals claim that they are "persecuted". Because they can't stop people from being trans or gay or having abortions or learning about evolution.
Sounds just like modern Christianity. They constantly try to force their religion onto others and when they’re told to stop they scream and cry about being persecuted.
Exactly! They have their heads stuffed so far up their own sense of entitlement they can’t see through all that hypocrisy that they slather themselves in. It’s like nah, I ain’t coming at you for being “Christians”, coming at you because you’re one of them 100%, grade-A, bonafide p.o.s.
Evangelical Christianity at least.
Sounds like ALL Judao-Christian religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have the same problem.
One true god who has chosen you as the one who is always right.
By definition in a world of polytheistic religions they were a bunch of assholes telling everyone else that their gods are fake. Nothing has ever changed since then.
The are self-righteous and lack self reflection.
That’s all before you consider that the first real lessons are that learning causes you to know sin, your body is naturally shameful, and women are a problem.
wtf is wrong with people. I read the beginning of the Bible at ~8 years old and immediately asked my parents what is wrong with grandma.
I think you meant to say “abrahamic religions”. “Judeo-Christianity” isn’t actually a thing beyond religious rightwing appeal to the religious cultural foundations of “western civilization”.
Do you happen to have knowledge on Abraham and why these 3 religions stem from him? If so, please share. 🙏
So these three religions are called Abrahamic because they all see Abraham as the first prophet of the Old Testament (I grew up Christian so I don’t know if Islam has an equivalent phrasing or not). It’s a very monotheistic, patriarchal “father of the religion” point of view that isn’t really seen in other religions.
Abrahamic as a term specifies a set of beliefs that is pretty much only found in those three religions. Technically there is a fourth that stems from Islam called Baha’i, but I know very very little about the specifics.
I mean, that is a very very strong tradition in American Protestant thought.
I went to school in the 80s and was taught that they were forced out and that they felt persecuted but that they felt the UK wanted them gone because they intended to force their belief on the rest of the country. So they were sent somewhere that they could do what they wanted.
The other thing is that, if all they wanted was religious freedom, they had that in Holland. They wanted more than that - they wanted to oppress other people, to force other people to conform to their religious views. That's why they came to the colonies.
When the Catholics and Anglicans stopped fighting long enough to collectively say fuck those people in particular, that's the time to reflect on life decisions.
One of the first things Puitans did in Mass Bay Colony was persecute anyone not like them.
My family landed in Plymouth in early 1630's ,settled in Salem and were harassed by the Puritans for their Quaker beliefs, accused of witchcraft and other "misdeeds", and in the 1640's migrated north to the coast of Maine where a large family of descendents still live .
Its true and there were even nuttier nuts during that time. So they were all massacring each other in the name of God.
Their descendants held the Salem witch trials.
Just did a bit of research on this based on your comment and I had no idea, super interesting. I’m originally from the UK so always viewed the story as being one about liberation and freedom, but no, it’s not that at all!
Rare English W
😭😭 that they were heroic and noble, not that they were bitchy holier than thou types that England didn't want and basically pushed out
My favorite part was that they were kicked out of Europe after being expelled from Britain.
I also love how they cancelled Christmas.
Don’t even need to get started on all the other shit elementary schools cleanse for indoctrinating American patriotism into children. Anything from celebrating Christopher Columbus, so glad I don’t see as many crazy teachers anymore dressing up their kids like Native Americans for fun, could go on.
If you like history, I highly recommend the book The Churching of America. Actually have a flight tomorrow and might grab it from my library and read again!
I'll go rent it from my library too thanks for the rec
Not if they burn the books...oh yeah, and call it "FAKE NEWS!!!" Those two actions make everything go away.
Bad is an understatement. You’re the worst guys
Yup. Just a little introspection, and some education, goes a long way.
Just beginning to wonder?
I've been wondering since the '80s
Reagan ruined everything
Now, now, don't forget Nixon
Spent a decade going to bat for an unrepentant child abuser, but I'm sure they're just misunderstood.
or taken out of context or its a joke
It can't be taken out of context. Conservatives don't do context, it tends to get in the way. Same thing with irony. They have no clue.
FFS, how have they not figured that out?
And have been for a long time now
Your Department of War budget is 925 billion dollars. You threaten Greenland, Canada, Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela, and attacked Iran because the Zionists told you to. ICE kidnaps children on their way to school. “Bad guys” is letting you conservatives off easy. .
The non-insane here in the U.S. could not agree more.
We agree.
This^
First of all, MAGA aren’t true conservatives - they’re reactionary outrage addicts, who abandoned true conservative ethics and efforts decades ago. Secondly, the answer is “yes, you are the bad guys” - your abandonment of the rule of law and sycophantic abeyance to the most lawless, self-serving POTUS in history makes you enemies of the Constitution and the principles the USA has been working on refining for over two centuries.
I agree, except that conservatives are propping them up. MAGA wouldn’t survive without conservative support, soooo still the bad guys.
THIS is why conservatives are the bad guys. We COULD be done with MAGA as of 2020. Nope, they had to own the libs.
“Own the libs” is the real cancer here.
If you thrive off making other people miserable then you suck as a human being. And you absolutely shouldn’t be in charge of making decisions for other people. Including voting.
Agree with you until the no voting part.
Don’t let anyone make it harder to vote. That will only be another tool for these folks
I know I know. You are correct. And it wouldn’t be right. It’s just so hard to justify in my head sometimes.
Yep. When “owning the libs” is spending hundreds of billions to ruin tens/hundreds of thousands of people’s lives, kill at least tens of thousands of children, and make 95% of Americans worse off, you are the baddie no doubt.
Don't forget the international impact with the cutting of aid and cutting back on environmental regulations
That January should have been the end if the party had any principles whatsoever
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Specifically, they are fascists
They destroyed our adherence to the principles of the Magna Carta and Habeus corpus, foundations of American law, all without being able to define these terms…
They are leaning hard on Manifest Destiny though
Damn libruls usin them fancy words
I disagree, I think this is what "conservatism" looks like now. It's not isolated to the US, there seems to be a broader movement that's conflating protectionism and white nationalism, even at the expense of economic policy, which used to be the priority (sort of - conservative govs have historically been terrible about deficits).
idk seems like a shift more than a split.
Actually I would classify all Republicans not just MAGA as regressionist. This is mostly because contrary to the idea of conservatism they don't want to keep laws or anything of the sort the same, they aren't fighting for civil liberties to stay in one place, instead they fight to repeal civil liberties attempting at every step to regress the freedoms of people who aren't themand to fight the expansions and protection of the law don't let conservatives say that their movement is to conserve the constitution because it just literally isn't.
“They’re reactionary outrage addicts”
Okay, so where were you during Clinton? During Obama? Their terms were well before MAGA existed, yet the constant reactionary outrage very much existed.
How about the Satanic Panic? How about Civil Rights?
Conservatives have always been the reactionary party. They’ve always been outraged and aggrieved over everything. This isn’t new, and it’s exactly what led to a populist like Trump.
No. Stop giving them a free pass. They’ve supported this shit for many years. You only need look at who they elect, reelect, and their dead silence while their boys commit war crimes and human rights violations here at home. Oh, and their dead silence as brown people are being taken by the goon squad in violation of the constitution. No. This is exactly who they are. Do not give them any line of separation between them and MAGA. Just because they chew with their mouths closed and aren’t dirt poor doesn’t mean they’re any more civilized or less cruel.
Yeah, also, just a reminder that George Bush Sr’s father, Prescott Bush was involved in an attempted coup of the US government, suffered no real consequences, and conservatives elected his family into the highest office of the nation TWICE. Three times, if we include both of W’s terms separately.
Conservatives are the bad guys. They’ve always been the bad guys.
I expected No True Scotsman to arrive piping hot and fresh at some point, and here we are.
I have family members who are for the most part true conservatives and stopped supporting Trump a while back. the type who wanted someone else to be the republican nominee and voted Harris in 2024.
Ah, we're doing the ol' "no true Scotsman" up in here.
Yup. The root of the word "conservative" is "conserve". To conserve does not mean to return to a previous state. Things will never be how they used to be. To think that its possible is giving the middle finger to reality and nature itself. Nothing ever stays the same. You can try to maintain its current state with varying degrees of success, but it'll still change no matter what you do.
MAGA is a populist movement that desires to go back to a mythological time that never actually existed.
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Is that The Quartering's dad?
Gods above I followed the Q's channel for a few months in 2020 till I found out this asshat was a fascist misogynistic pile of shite. How is he still relevant?
He's in massive debt now because his "conservative coffee" grift completely failed. He's now begging his subs to tell him why they no longer watch his videos as much as they used to.
Must be nice, being able to judge others from a place of outbred privilege!
If it was unclear: /s
“Outbred privilege” is hilarious.
The South lost the war. The North lost the victory.
They didn't punish the traitors
Exactly. The southern states should of all gotten what they wanted and had their statehood revoked and every southern state should have been lumped up into one US Occupied Territory.
Yep. As a former conservative and now politically homeless, I say this: you are the baddies. You were so hungry for power that you sacrificed your souls and turned your party over to the uneducated, illiterate, conspiracy theorists, and grievance mongers. You now wear the same shame that every former Nazi wears, because you were either too weak, too craven, or too stupid to see what the rest of us saw.
I am a former conservative and I turned a 180 in 2016 when the GOP nominated Trump. It was a “scales fell from my eyes” moment. I am now a full blown Lefty who would gladly vote for a DSA candidate if one was on the ballot.
Come to the light.
It's wild how the word "woke" is used as a weapon to gatekeep people from "waking up." It's actually a great word to describe the feeling of the veil dropping
It is absolutely not a coincidence that the right wants to make “aware of systemic injustice” synonymous with “bad person”.
Same. That was the moment for me. The second Trump was nominated, I woke up. The things I said and believed before are embarrassing to me now, but that's a sign that I'm growing as a person. At least I had a line that I wouldn't cross, and I stuck to it.
I wish I could say the same about some of my family members.
The concept of having a political "home" is a large part of the problem. You aren't living in your party -> your party is a tool to get you to where you want to be. If you treat it as a home, you aren't going to leave when it starts going in the wrong direction.
I wish we had a true conservative party, and I am a progressive. Just as I wish we had a true Labor Party. Unfortunately, we have neither.
The Democrats at best are Dwight Eisnhower, at worst flaccid corporate apologists.
The GOP are sycophantic lunatics led by a criminal monster.
The Democrats are pretty close to a true conservative party. The GOP are some weird identitarian cult. We just need a Labor party.
Many democrats are controlled opposition, conservative operatives who only vote for good things or in unison with other dems. when it doesn't matter, or is a compromise designed by republicans. I count the 86 who voted to condem "socialism" because a democratic socialist won one election, as likely controlled opposition, and definitely the 23 who voted against impeachment last.
Republican both sides propaganda drivel so that real progress cannot be made here.
Only 72 days of Democratic party control throughout the entire twenty-first century. If you don't like the way things are going the past twenty five years, blame the republicans fully and rightly.
That is the problem with the 'Big Tent' and Never Trumpers merging. We end up with the sane conservatives who are succeeding in moving the Democratic Party to the Right. I tend to think it would be easier to kill off the GOP, let the Dems replace them as the true Right Wing (Sane version) and split off the left leaning progressives into a new party. Maybe the "Republican Socialists", just to make the break as cleanly as possible - lol
I remember watching the DNC turn away from Sanders, then towards Biden, and thinking to myself, "the conservatives have won". We have a centrist party and a far right party. Current democrats are old school republicans
100%. Our Overton window has shifted so goddamn far so goddamn fast that MAGA legitimately believe democrats in power are super liberal. The 20s suck.
You are 100 percent correct about the Overton window. But it's actually worse than what you said.
Because the Democrats are mainly liberals. But that word seems to be misunderstood by most Americans. Liberals are right wingers. They are just not as far right as the Fascists/Republicans.
The left is barely represented in American politics. Even people like Bernie and AOC are just left of center. They aren't radical in any way, unless seen from a far right perspective.
That's how bad it is.
Democrats ARE the conservatives of American policy. Their capitalist liberaal ideas are the way they are because of conservatism. The constant compromising direction IS conservatism at play.
Democrats are the conservatives So vote for them.
MAGA and American Right like the GOP were never really conservatives. They just adopted the label.
They become an identity antagonist party under Reagan.
No no, you're knights that have full loyalty to your King. Unfortunately America doesn't have a good history with Kings and generally will rise up and not throw away their shot.
Let's not even talk about "conservatives" from 2015 to today. Conservative elites have pulled off the biggest con in American history. They managed to exploit ignorance and convince people to vote against their interests to steal wealth, knowing that if they convince people that "big government" is bad, they are destroying any unity that holds them accountable. The Republican plan is to steal as much as possible from working and middle class families, digging a hole that creates a 19th century society. I'm not saying the means of production belong to the people, what I am saying is that Republican elites have destroyed everything that made America great. Moreover, we couldn't even achieve the true promise we deserve. Until, Americans can live without concern over their healthcare and basic needs, our society and in fact our economy can't achieve it's true potential.
The left was correct about everything
someone met a baddie who's changing his worldview...whatever it takes, man. noway they stumbled upon this possibility on their own. someone challenged him- and 1000% he thinks this person is hot, and now, identity crisis. so predictable.
You just reminded me of a Polish far-right politician who resigned after he started dating an intersex woman: https://www.euronews.com/2025/09/02/far-right-polish-mp-announces-relationship-with-intersex-woman-and-quits-party
Given that conservatives are famous having world views that are exclusively self serving, it's plausible.
Yes. Hope that helps!
lol, suddenly aware way late in the game
Better late than never I guess.
Yes.
Yes.
Doh.
Yes.
If you follow the orange clown you are.
Bad guys all around that incite violence. Every MAGAt friend I have is absolutely unhinged. Like wheels off the bus angry because of shit propaganda messaging.
No one should have MAGA friends.
You, republi-cons, are killing people. Ice. Health care. USAID. Drug research. Women that need to terminate a pregnancy. Snap.
Yes
Yes.
Anyone have a copy of the article? I don’t want to subscribe to the Washington post
Always have been
r/noshitsherlock
You’e not conservatives for starters. You’re reactionaries.
Umm yes, yes you are
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Surprised Bezos let this one get to print
Same. You have to wonder what he has blocked from being published?
Oh no! The party that has sacrificed all ethics and principles courting Authoritarians and White Supremacists all in the pursuit of power is worried that they are, in fact, Authoritarian White Supremacists! Lmao. Lol even. Love this for them.
Not all conservatives are neo Nazis but all neo Nazis are conservatives. Do with that knowledge what you will.
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Always have been.
As a conservative yes, yes we are. We have gotten so far outside the normal realm of republican/conservative party that I align more with the Democratic Party. Republicans have become the party for welcoming racism and not constitutionalism.
The road to Hell is paved with good INTENTIONS. Not good deeds.
They have been lied to by their politicians for so many years that they believe they're doing good.
If you have to ask you’ve been in a MAGA induced coma…
Always have been.
There was never a time when conservatism didn't safeguard the systems of cruelty.
Always have been.
Conservatives have been on the wrong side of history, always.
Hello! Yep you’re the bad guys!! Like evil.
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It is fascinating how naturally consecutives can play stupid to avoid be hold accountable, always using the victim card or (I didn't know) when we going to learn ? Since 2008 dealing with same bull shit.
People have to stop to give the benefit of the doubt to conservatives; they know exactly what they're doing.
Yes, yes you are. I was born into a cult(religious)and was pretty delusional myself. Hopefully more of these conservatives will wake up. However, The true bad guys are the rich people(not all rich people) manipulating the democrats and republicans to be divided and hate each other. We are powerful together and we are at our weakest when divided.
Ya think? (Sarcasm)
YES.
Yea
It's a start.