If you are not a progressive person you are a guest in our space. If you are not a progressive person you will be flaired with an appropriate label to describe your views, so that members of the sub will know the motives of the person they're engaging with.
Rule 3 applies to ALL users. Be kind. You can have a discussion with people you disagree with while offering them basic respect. If you are a guest in the progressive sub, please respect that-
We aren't required to let you in here, we are allowing you and we'll ban you if you cant follow the rules.
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What about obvious bad faith bots and brigadiers? That's not "diversity of opinion", it's purposeful brigading which is not respectful discourse.
Many folks here will gladly debate in good faith, but allowing obvious bad actors that have flooded reddit since November 2024 to have free reign to propagandize here is not the way.
That's addressed in the post. People breaking rule 3 will be banned, people who arent progressive will be flagged.
I havent seen any actual bots, ive seen people with differing opinions described as bots by others. They are allowed here. People throwing insults, engaging in bad faith, are banned.
What about people who are further left? What is the policy on tankies and communism in general cause I recently saw the PM of Australia call himself and kid starver in the UK progressive and ik sorry but if they class as progressive then I must be a far left extremist cause fuck those centre right asshats
Similar policy for tankies, read the rules.
So its a liberal larping as left sub then?
Tankies aren't left they're just confused.
They are though.... they just authority favoring left (Stalinist/maoism are major examples)
That doesn’t sound respectful and it’s making hateful statements about a group. Are the rules for everyone or not?
What hateful statements?
As someone who is consistent down voted and chastised for having a more right leaning opinion I can assure you there are bad characters here. Guest or not mods across Reddit need to get better at ensuring that others aren't persecuted, bullied and questionably downvoted because they have a differing opinions.
I mean we got the Be Kind rule but we cant stop people from downvoting you. You're in a progressive space, expect the down votes.
This is a far more rational response than I'm used to seeing on Reddit. Kudos.
Honestly, the tendency to call those we disagree with bots is frankly more harmful than we realise I think. We're deluding ourselves into thinking there's so few people out there with some pretty bad world views that it's more likely the account sharing that opinion is a bot than a person, and both sides of the political spectrum believe this. The reality is, we're not going to defeat bad ideas by pretending people don't believe in them. Fascism is not a fringe ideology. It never was.
I've taken to accusing them of being American bots. The amount of times I get called.a Russian or Chinese bot is a bit much
How will you know if someone is a prog or not?
Huh
How can you tell?
If they're expressing prog viewpoints it's not rocket science
Are they allowed to have a diversity of opinion?
Yeah they'll just be labeled as such. If someone is shitting on the Democratic party its good to know if theyre a progressive, a conservative, or a both-sides-bad type.
Damn, so far, it looks like people are getting so miffed about being asked to respect the space that whatever they are saying is being removed at quite the pace.
I just dont understand why obvious brigadiers arent permabanned. Like I get giving them a short leash, but come on now.
I just hate when subreddits ban people for diverting from whatever the moderator decides is the Overton Window for the subreddit. All of the progressive subs seem to have purity tests and it just creates an echochamber so i wanted to be really lax on the ideology rules.
But so far I havent seen a single conservative leave a comment trying to add any positive insight to the discussion. Its all been memes and insults so far. No one making any arguments that attempt to be persuasive. If it continues to be the case where there isn't any productive discussion being had, all the effort trying to prune out bad actors doesn't result in any conservative or centrist actually trying to engage in discussion, maybe we'll change the rules.
Because the mods here don’t want to create another leftist hog tugging fest. Plenty of other subs for that.
Cant have this turning into something like r/conservative huh? I dont know of any leftist sub as strict as them
You’re joking right?
Sorry we are going to have to permaban you for not having the right flair and you didn't say Heil trump at the end of your comment /s
I dont spend my whole life on political subs. I only just found this one.
I ended up in a communism sub with some discreet name without realizing it and got permabanned once for misjudging the situation. I'm left as shit but that day really confuses me to this day.
A communism sub is a bit different than what im talking about.
Im talking about a normal american democrat sub on par with r/conservative.
Lol.
Yet another conservative beigadier adding zero value
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Rule 3 - Be kind. That means being kind to conservatives too. Don't feed the trolls.
Rule 3 - Be kind. No hate speech. Try and have a productive, have forward thinking conversations about making the world a better place. Don't spread hate for any group.
I believe hate criming people in marginalized groups is terrible. I'm sure the mods will struggle in determining whether or not they should label me a conservative (ノ゜ー゜)ノ
I am conservative
Thanks for letting us know you've been given the appropriate flair
he says he's a conservative, but you label him a brigadier? how is that good faith from you?
That's what he is?
if people are "welcome" to comment, how are they brigading? do you even know what the word means?
It means invading a subreddit.
yes, invading!
if someone is here to have a conversation and is open minded, AND is invited by your own words. are they really invading your sub then?
brigading = hostile bad faith person that have bad motives for the sub.
not brigaind = entering a sub and participating in it.
so are they really invited if you call their presence an INVASION?
I mean they're not progressives in the progressive sub what term do you want me to use in their flair besides brigadier?
does that mean they're invading when they're "invited"?
call them just conservative. with out the "illegal immigrant" label on top?
calling someone a brigader and in the same breath saying they're welcome is a bit hippocritical, don't you think?
No one was invited. They came here into our space and im not going to kick them out because I think its bad for discussion. Doesn't mean I have to like them. Should I say "tolerated" instead of "welcomed" in the post?
I have voted for democrats in every election since I was 18. I am 38 to be clear. So 20 years of votes from me. I have never once abstained from an election.
Assigning flair is a weird move. Please stop.
Bullying and harassment and lack of inclusivity.
Surprised you didn't ban him.
We don't ban people just for having different opinions. We ban people for engaging in bad faith.
See this is what I like to see people peacefully disagreeing cause we are all human at the end of the day and you aren't always gonna have the same opinion
Wanted to congratulate you, from the other side. I will be happy to conduct myself as a respectful and appreciative guest.
Why can’t flair be changed based on the comments you make?
Why
They're on topic, though?
Well he does have to wear the arm band. Final solution comes later.
Conservative comments are not allowed.
C'mon guys you pull mental gymnastics to remove comments for breaking the rules. That would be fine if you were impartial about it but it is heavily geared towards one side.
If I were being fair I wouldn't understand our comments get reported more. But y'all can read context and you know what your doing just don't act like your not doing that
Stupid bad word face.
There, I "broke a rule" so you can remove mine as well
Please… “respect” is bullshit. Immediately getting down voted, chastised and persecuted for being a conservative or even a centrist is not respect. FOH
This is an echo chamber mate, it’s not a progressive group. Progressives are inclusive, kind, caring humans. This is an egotist safe haven.
And what are we supposed to do when you come into this space and ridicule us?
I understand your view and can see how you’d think and feel that way and to be honest I’d do the same. But as an outsider looking in, if you read the comments put down on here, the ridiculing begins way before conservatives respond. There’s almost an absolute disdain for anyone who isn’t as left sometimes and to be fair, it’s the same on both sides of the spectrum I guess. Social media is become extremely polarised and I wish it would stop.
I was talking about the posts, one after another, where the OP is just one stupid meme after another. That's not responding, that's leading with ridicule. It's undeserved, unwanted, and unwelcome.
And you can't tell me that if I went into a conservative space and pulled that kind of shit that I wouldn't be hounded out of it.
I’ve had it directed towards me as well where it’s just mockery memes. I understand your point.
We need to find a way to suppress that. It's not conducive to the healthy discussion that this sub was designed for. I don't have any ideas on how to do that, just that it needs to happen.
I agree with you completely. I feel you, I don’t know how to solve it either, but I’m with you 100%, we need a cohesive society more than ever to combat the division and ridiculousness that we have in society today’s
So troll and MAGA are allowed to takeover, which they have…there is no place for liberals, Democrats or progressives to discuss anything whatsoever without being harassed
That makes no sense. So you want an echo chamber?
Its like you didnt read the post at all
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Rule 3 - Be kind. No hate speech. Try and have a productive, have forward thinking conversations about making the world a better place. Don't spread hate for any group.
Amen!
Good on you!
Im not conservative, but I'd like to be branded as the 'other' please :3
Excellent work comrade. Your devotion will be rewarded.
This is not very inclusive
Are you serious
Ya
including non-progressive opinions in the progressive subreddit isn't inclusive?
Progs can have non-progressive opinions.
Ok?
Then what constitutes a conservative post? If a comment is restricted then you don’t allow for diversity of opinion.
You can be conservative as you want in the comments as long as you're not making hateful statements for entire groups or denying genocide.
As for making conservative posts in r/ProgressiveHQ, please refer to this photo
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What's the flair for balance?
Nazi, probably.
Oh thank, I did not see that
so you're giving a "jewstar" to everyone you guys seems undesireable?
yup, that seems progressive to me!
who else put a "flair" on people they saw as beneath them? come on? i'll wait.
The only time I've ever seen this sub pop up is seeing you all bitching about conservatives bitching about not being allowed to post here. Which is really funny to me.
Silence the opposition got it
LMAO
Your "Diversity" is nonexistent.
When I heard about this sub I was under the impression of collaboration and compromise.
Instead I'm bearing witness to another false apolitical domain where you receive labels for what people deem "Non-Progressive".
Maybe I misunderstand? From my experience progression starts from nuance and formerly mentioned collaboration and compromise and these rules which undoubtedly interfere with both is antithetical to your entire "Purpose".
If you find an issue with what I say congratulations you proved my assessment correct.
So if someone doesn't agree with your views on a public forum they must be marked out publicly and risk being censored for political opinions regardless of their tone? Sounds familiar, I think there was a painter who did something similar in the 30's-40's.
73M. What we’re missing is protest music. Where are this generation’s Peter, Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan, etc.
I just want to say this was the right call. Everything going on has me firmly in Bernie's camp wanting progressive candidates to win. And what I immediately respected about this sub was that I saw some opinions that clearly aren't progressive in the comments, and a lot of back and forth conversations. It felt validating and I hope you never let that go away. It's something I've long missed about reddit.
If i don't agree with your opinion, you are a Nazi.
Can you please remove offensive mod-assigned flare you've assigned people like "can't be trusted to vote"
How is that allowing for open and honest conversation here?
So, though I’ve been accused of being a Republican and been insulted many times (I’m not) . I’m guessing mods are all about removing the posts that don’t lead to discussions and just attack people, right ?
we will see about that
“Conservative comments are allowed” sorting by controversial shows otherwise.
At least the comments made it that far, how does commenting in r/conservative work?
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Reddit is centrist platform run by people who financially support right wingers. The political leaning you see is dependent and on the subreddit you are in
https://rsisinternational.org/journals/ijriss/articles/reddits-american-political-left-wing-bias-a-study-of-the-top-100-posts-from-september-12-21-2024/
Besides this study, I would move to accept experiential evidence in this matter. I don’t tend to rely on “anecdotes” in place of hard data, but that is not what is happening here. We, as regular users of Reddit, will experientially know that in general, Reddit leans left. Surely, we must be able to admit the evidence provided to us by our own eyes and collective lived experience.
As a side note, thank you for allowing differences of opinion on your sub. Spaces such as these are needed more than ever.
Be the change you want to see. For some reason amost all of the conservatives only leave rude and insulting comments breaking rule 3 instead of respectfully disagreeing.
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What does that make you commenting this?
someone who tells the truth?
Nah
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I'm not seeing how this sub is any different than the major politics sub. In discussions about who's responsible for Trump regaining office the comments are overrun with liberals trying to hold voters to a higher standard of accountability than Joe Biden. (And absolve themselves of any responsibility for voting Biden in the 2020 primaries.)
What is the point of a progressive sub if we're being shouted down here just like everywhere else on Reddit?
More worthless reddit space. Thanks for clarifying. You're no different than any other group that needs a hard label.
Genuinely trying to understand- do yall think you should just be able to post whatever you want in any subreddit? If so what's the point of subreddits then? Do you think r/conservative should be overloaded with liberal posts since Reddit is mostly liberal?
Respectfully, it’s in the name. You knew this wasn’t a place for Conservative content when you saw the name
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😂 Imagine saying that to this sub while r conservative exists. Biggest echo chamber on the planet past X & Truth Social.
They don’t know that the conservative subreddit mobs ban people outright. They believe it’s “flair” restricted. These people are too dumb to put two and two together. The mods over there even post screenshots of posts they delete. But they don’t tell people that they outright ban posters with opposing views. I’m not excusing them, I’m just pointing out what goes on in that cesspool
Take time to leave a salty comment about it in the subreddit you deliberately sought out to post in.
Captain Obvious over here. Brilliant analysis my friend.
Funny, because that's not what the post even says. The post is just reiterating that people can disagree, they just shouldn't insult each other.
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Just wait till you see r/Conservative
I’d say the same thing about them if I saw this type of post on there. Was that supposed to be some sort of gotcha moment for you?
Nah, though most who hold your opinion wouldn't.
I hate both sides. I criticize both sides. Lifelong Democrat, currently politically homeless.
But you wouldn't say the same thing, because you'd immediately be permabanned for questioning their alternative narrative if you did.
Sure bud. Both sides suck. The sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.
That’s like saying stubbing your toe and breaking your arm both suck….it doesn’t make them the same.
Your analogy is solid, but I have a feeling we would swap which party is the stubbed toe and which party is the broken arm.
If you think the perversion of American idealism is a stubbed toe and that wanting basic decency, equality, and to meet the needs of the working class is the broken arm, then you would be correct.
The Republican Party took their moral compass and laid it on the ground, they didn’t simply leave it behind…they stomped on it as they walked away.
There is no going back from this…the republicans are traitors to America.
Hmmm ya know I never thought about that. Wait lemme try and do a comparison so we can see the bad in both parties.
Blues: We want people be happy in their lives and be able to afford to live where they want and feel safe in their homes.
Reds: We dont really care about kids, only the rich white kids should be helped. Immigrant kids should be deported, poc kids are a problem due to culture that aint white, and queer kids should be “re-educated” so they are normal…
Hmmm that dosent seem right lemme try again
Blues: We want kids to have food to eat a safe home and schools where they can thrive and become our next leaders and brightest minds.
Reds: Damn illegals taking all the social services and being criminals are whats making things expensive. And all the shooting that have happened in the last 10 years? It the transes, ghatdam attack helicopters and their “pronouns” you cant never make me use a pronoun, I am anti pronoun god didnt use pronouns he in all his wisdom made adam and eve and he and she, they if you will, didnt use them either.
Yeah no the reds are far worse.
I genuinely feel sadness hearing that you see those things as what each party stands for. I think I could convince you of where you've gone wrong, respectfully, and how half of america that represent as conservatives are just like you, they just have a different order of priorities on how they see they're country progressing. There are so many real compassionate humans out there, red and blue. Give social media a break dude.
I mean the reality is as someone who is a part the queer community I cant just ignore what my government is trying to do to me. I wish I could just ignore everything and blindly walk through life but that would require I either deny who I am in public and just mask up to everyone I meet. Or risk getting hate crimed by people who view me as a threat.
I have zero doubt that reds have some amazing people that happen to vote against my safety and happiness but Im not going to open up to every single red hat, kirk shirt person because all it takes is one single person to have the thought and pop Im go from a they/them to a was/were. I have to treat them all as if they mean to hurt me because they have not shown as a whole to even condemn violence against us.
Like Im sorry but irreconcilable differences and differing priorities like wanting safety for myself, my community, and the people I care for shouldn't have to be bargained with people who see me as less than human or less deserving of respect. Im tired of just being tolerated…
Uhhh, what do you think your government is trying to do to you? Be specific. I truly want to know. Who is voting against your safety? What evidence do you have of any of these things besides what you've read on Reddit? Who is committing violence against queer or gay people? Why would you have to deny who you are? Respectfully, I genuinely have NO idea what you're talking about. And please don't just say "Are you not paying attention?" or some nonsense like that. Articulate your concerns and your feelings please. Now I will shut up and listen.
The Trump regime and its supporters have been rallying against gender affirming care and mounting a disinformation campaign portraying the simple act of being trans as belonging to some sort of violent ideology. These practices significantly contribute to both alarming suicide statistics and stochastic criminal behavior directed toward trans people in their day to day lives.
Women in general are still lacking critical human rights that Trump's Supreme Court stripped from them.
People voted for this behavior. Trump ran on this behavior.
People keep suggesting you haven't been paying attention because these things were highly publicized and frequently discussed for years. It's both old news and highly discussed news. A lack of attention is the least offensive explanation.
Artemis_Platinum did a better job than I could in less words.
But to add on the white house released the nspm-7 which talk about extremism on gender which has ZERO clarification on what that even means. They are making it easier and easier to violate the right of trans people advocating for trans right for everyone. They also designated there only 2 genders male and female… which are sexes not genders. Beside being just wrong it also allows them to discriminate against trans people which they did when they dropped them from the military and barred them from competing in sport regardless of whether or not the org want to include them so they dont even want to allow orgs to choose their own rules.
There are also 234 explicit laws that target trans people 122 which have passed this year, of the nearly 1,000 that have been introduced. They have also tried to claim we are all mentally ill and coincidentally just so happen to want to bring back mental institutions, to lock up mentally ill…
I have a feeling like you dont really care tbh but you have the information here and can do so much research of your own. As for the people voting against my safety, well this administration and the people supporting it dont seem to care how we are suffering especially the younger generation.
I know so much about the reds and the right but you seem to not know as much because you only see what you want.
You say the same about the conservative sub being an even more mod-controlled echo chamber where you get banned the first time you say anything negative about trump there?
Progressives and liberals are not the same thing btw. Not that I expect you're here in good faith anyway.
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wow I cant believe the snobby liberals want liberal posts in the liberal sub
It’s the tone. The elitist attitude that the entire post is written with. You know exactly what I’m talking about. Unless you’re just so aloof that you genuinely have no idea, which is possible when you live inside echo chambers, admittedly.
What? The formal tone in an official announcement from the admin? That's what's coming off as a elite to you? That's normal dude.
An echo chamber is not a place where very basic rules exist to prohibit obnoxiously bad faith behavior and trolling discussions to death. If you believe it is, perhaps that says more about your ability to hold a conversation than anything else.
Rule 3 - Be kind. No hate speech. Try and have a productive, have forward thinking conversations about making the world a better place. Don't spread hate for any group.
“We aren’t required to let you in here” how progressive.
Wow its almost like its up to the leader/mods of the group to set the rules of said group?! Who could have guessed?!?!
Never said it wasn’t. I just pointed out how progressive it is to reinforce the echo chamber and segregation norms of humans.
Holy shit, Im not going to waste the bare minimum left of my energy today to expose how hilariously stupid that comment was. Goodnight, cultist.
Resorting to calling someone a cultist simply because they state the observations they’ve made, very much reinforces my observations.
How about whiner. Can we call you whiner?
So if this space ISNT progressive and it ISNT welcoming, why are you even here? Why comment?
Cause these people lost touch with their families over a failed businessman and probably one of the only people to bankrupt a casino. They need the interaction and thrive on the fact that someone sees them. Truth is their cult dosent acknowledge their existence because they offer nothing to dear leader, so they seek it here where more empathetic people reside.
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Yes I do make the same complaints. However progressives try to take the high road and claim they are better, so why are you trying to make the argument of “well they do it”.
Not really. Also, there's a time and place. Debate is kind of worthless, and this is not a debate subreddit, so...
Thanks!
Go check out the conservative subs where only conservatives can post. So much for "free speech" and "no safe spaces".
I do, and I call that out too.
Doesn't seem to be working...
At least this sub is allowing conservatives to speak at all.
Really, most subs are heavily policed and dissenting voices are weeded out. Even the financial subs, music subs, all the subs except maybe the roastme sub.
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I think cultivated spaces are better for discourse. The amount of noise the creeps into unmoderated spaces causes them to devolve into mudpits pretty quickly. Assertive, fair moderation is essential to on-topic and productive conversation, especially on the internet.
I think of it like pruning a rose bush. You just let that fellar grow, you're going to get a spiky bush. You do a little trimming here and there? You get beautiful flowers.
"If you are not a progressive person you will be flaired with an appropriate label to describe your views, so that members of the sub will know the motives of the person they're engaging with." Reimnds me of this story I heard about these yellow patches back in the 1940's.
You aren't oppressed
You’re right, mod team should probably comb through every new applicants comment history prior to giving them the privilege of posting a comment. That’ll work way better
Just making sure I understand you correctly - you’re comparing getting your user name labeled in a way you don’t like on Reddit to the experience of being a Jew during the holocaust?
No, it just made me think of that.
Surely you understand between marking a human being as subhuman and preventing people from acting in bad faith in a political discussion space
Yeah, I didn't say it was the same. Just that it reminded me of it.
What a pathetic grunt
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