If you really wanna get extreme, it ranges from the first mission of Dark Forces all the way back to the Rakatan Infinite Empire (fuck the Rakata btw, all my homies hate the Rakata)
It's never said afaik how much time passed between R1 and ANH, it's possible that it could've been days or weeks before Vader found and caught up to the Tantive IV
True, it was never mentioned. But the tantive 4 had not the opportunity to fly over al planet with a rebel cell and send down a copy of the death star plans, meet with a rebel courier or something.
So it is more a hot one the heels situation from the beginning.
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I think the problem with this cutscene is that people view it from the meta understanding that Kreia will lecture you either way. Because of this, people tend to believe that it’s a “no win” situation. But that’s not really true.
First, Kreia’s “approval” (or influence being gained/lost) is not based on your actions toward the beggar. It’s based on how you respond to Kreia’s inquiry. You can simply just say “Neato, I’ll take that into consideration” and she’ll be perfectly satisfied.
The point of the scene is not to tell the player that giving money to beggars is good and being mean to beggars is bad, because everybody knows that. The point is to introduce the player to Nar Shaddaa, and how the smallest actions of the player can have large rippling effects here. Additionally I would argue it’s another subtle nod to the games overall theme surrounding force echoes.
It also establishes Kreia as an abusive / manipulative mentor. She criticizes the Exile so often in order to make them more desperate for her approval.
Abusive is a pretty extreme term lmao. Yeah Kreia absolutely manipulates the exile into her plans, but rarely does she ever lie to them. I think Kreia genuinely believes what she’s telling you in this cutscene and is emphatically trying to deliver that point.
Of note is that this cutscene is also the writers attempting to make the player self reflect. Chris Avellone disliked in Kotor 1 that players would do the “good” or “bad” thing specifically for light/darkside points because they were doing lightside/darkside playthroughs, and not necessarily roleplaying what their character would do. This moment is supposed to jolt the player out of it and make them ask themselves if they are doing these things because they want to or because it’s expected of them (for force alignment points).
Which would be fine, but trying to be neutral in KOTOR 2 is even harder than in 1. Not with the endings, as that’s one or the other, but when upgrading your class requires 75% alignment, you’re discouraged gameplay-wise to actually follow through with it
and how the smallest actions of the player can have large rippling effects here.
Is this in reference to how you can finesse the hell out of the situation involving refugees and such? I remember hearing there's some cool ways to manipulate the whole thing but I cannot remember what it was, and I never figured out how to do it.
I don’t know if there’s any particular ways to finesse the refugee situation. You can definitely help them out a lot and basically lift the exchange’s boot of their neck.
You gotta remember that it’s a CRPG from 2005 which had an 18 month development window. So mechanically it’s a little rough. Basically your overall goal is to get the exchange’s attention either by pissing them off to the point that they’re obligated to take action against you, or helping their interests to the point where they want to meet with you.
So effectively uts fairly “railroaded” unfortunately. I think the beggar scene is a microcosm for how the overall narrative is going to work. By coming to Nar Shaddaa you have set events in motion which will lead to all the craziness that happens once you go to meet with the exchange.
I think I may be thinking of this situation? Or maybe something else, or maybe a culmination of multiple paths like this. It definitely had something to do with manipulating events in a way kreia approves of, vs brute forcing things yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/kotor/s/riwUce1rse
Yeah the Lootra quest has some super crazy outcomes. If you have Kreia and another companion, it’s like the only time that when she “scolds” you, the companion will jump in and defend you to her. Not all of them do it, but Atton, Bao-Dur, the Disciple, and the Handmaiden will.
Lol. Watching him immediately get attacked for those crdfits was such a strong way for the devs to influence you into not being a good guy. "If YoU hElP pEoPlE tHeY wIlL sUfFeR"
Or an "I'm 14andthisisdeep" thing like: local order can only be achieved by increasing global chaos. I am the Force of Chaos that will bring Order to the Galaxy"
Everything that happens before episode 4 is a prequel, all of it, rebels, rogue one, kenobi, bad batch, tor, kotor 1 and 2, fallen order, survivor, force unleashed
“After my ascension all will be tranquil in this galaxy. You discern a fraction of reality. Beyond these stars are other galaxies, other worlds, other beings. I will experience or ignore them as I wish. I will spend eternity becoming everything; a farmer, an artist, a simple man. And when the last living thing in the universe finally dies I will enjoy peace, and wait for the cycle to begin again.”
I liked him but it was pretty weird killing the guy who devours planets with a lightsaber. The text in the meme is barely less than what we get in the game to set him up.
Okay, you ARE making a poor build if you're relaying on good rolls.
Amd what waiting for skills? Yeah, the battles are semi-turn based, but the only thing with a "cooldown" are Force powers.
Everything set before ANH counts as a prequel, including KotOR-era
Perfect, time to unleash ancient Sith shitposts upon the galaxy.
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Is this a meme or the original?
That's an actual quote.
It was so oddly natural that it just made sense this is where the meme came from
You mean, ancient Sithpost?
Ancient shit sithposts
Also, going to the other extreme, includes Rebels and Andor.
If you really wanna get extreme, it ranges from the first mission of Dark Forces all the way back to the Rakatan Infinite Empire (fuck the Rakata btw, all my homies hate the Rakata)
The closest is probably Rogue one since the end is set mere minutes to hours before Episode 4.
But hell, dark forces brings back memories...
It's never said afaik how much time passed between R1 and ANH, it's possible that it could've been days or weeks before Vader found and caught up to the Tantive IV
True, it was never mentioned. But the tantive 4 had not the opportunity to fly over al planet with a rebel cell and send down a copy of the death star plans, meet with a rebel courier or something. So it is more a hot one the heels situation from the beginning.
And to that, I say Mucha Shaka Paka to you
If this is the take this subreddit about be great.
Rule 3:
It's an older prequel, but it checks out.
Switch kylo and Keria that old bat would give you 5 hour lecture over finding a penny on the ground.
gives homeless guy some credits
“You fool! Your actions have consequences you cannot foresee”
reloads and tells him to fuck off
“You fool! Your actions have consequences you cannot foresee”
-_-
Influence lost: Klein
Influence gained: Kreia
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A-OK 👌🏼
Net Dark Side shift
I think the problem with this cutscene is that people view it from the meta understanding that Kreia will lecture you either way. Because of this, people tend to believe that it’s a “no win” situation. But that’s not really true.
First, Kreia’s “approval” (or influence being gained/lost) is not based on your actions toward the beggar. It’s based on how you respond to Kreia’s inquiry. You can simply just say “Neato, I’ll take that into consideration” and she’ll be perfectly satisfied.
The point of the scene is not to tell the player that giving money to beggars is good and being mean to beggars is bad, because everybody knows that. The point is to introduce the player to Nar Shaddaa, and how the smallest actions of the player can have large rippling effects here. Additionally I would argue it’s another subtle nod to the games overall theme surrounding force echoes.
Apathy is the only way to break the forces influence on your destiny.
Apathy is death.
Getting to goto’s yacht without force lighting is death
The humble grenades
Apathy is death.
Nah son, you gotta make a force echo so loud it deafens the galaxy to the force.
Kreia could have stopped the sequels…
If only
It also establishes Kreia as an abusive / manipulative mentor. She criticizes the Exile so often in order to make them more desperate for her approval.
Abusive is a pretty extreme term lmao. Yeah Kreia absolutely manipulates the exile into her plans, but rarely does she ever lie to them. I think Kreia genuinely believes what she’s telling you in this cutscene and is emphatically trying to deliver that point.
Of note is that this cutscene is also the writers attempting to make the player self reflect. Chris Avellone disliked in Kotor 1 that players would do the “good” or “bad” thing specifically for light/darkside points because they were doing lightside/darkside playthroughs, and not necessarily roleplaying what their character would do. This moment is supposed to jolt the player out of it and make them ask themselves if they are doing these things because they want to or because it’s expected of them (for force alignment points).
Which would be fine, but trying to be neutral in KOTOR 2 is even harder than in 1. Not with the endings, as that’s one or the other, but when upgrading your class requires 75% alignment, you’re discouraged gameplay-wise to actually follow through with it
Yeah they really should have just leaned in on making a neutral class for the game. The Jedi Watchman class already fit that theme pretty well.
Is this in reference to how you can finesse the hell out of the situation involving refugees and such? I remember hearing there's some cool ways to manipulate the whole thing but I cannot remember what it was, and I never figured out how to do it.
I don’t know if there’s any particular ways to finesse the refugee situation. You can definitely help them out a lot and basically lift the exchange’s boot of their neck.
You gotta remember that it’s a CRPG from 2005 which had an 18 month development window. So mechanically it’s a little rough. Basically your overall goal is to get the exchange’s attention either by pissing them off to the point that they’re obligated to take action against you, or helping their interests to the point where they want to meet with you.
So effectively uts fairly “railroaded” unfortunately. I think the beggar scene is a microcosm for how the overall narrative is going to work. By coming to Nar Shaddaa you have set events in motion which will lead to all the craziness that happens once you go to meet with the exchange.
I think I may be thinking of this situation? Or maybe something else, or maybe a culmination of multiple paths like this. It definitely had something to do with manipulating events in a way kreia approves of, vs brute forcing things yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/kotor/s/riwUce1rse
Yeah the Lootra quest has some super crazy outcomes. If you have Kreia and another companion, it’s like the only time that when she “scolds” you, the companion will jump in and defend you to her. Not all of them do it, but Atton, Bao-Dur, the Disciple, and the Handmaiden will.
Lol. Watching him immediately get attacked for those crdfits was such a strong way for the devs to influence you into not being a good guy. "If YoU hElP pEoPlE tHeY wIlL sUfFeR"
Existence is pain. You help them, they suffer by someone else. You don't help them, they suffer by your actions.
The only way to eliminate the suffering of the poor is to eliminate the poor.
However you can also sum Kreia up as "The Force" thats her reason, she hates the dang thing!
No idea how you can sum up Kylo beyond "Anger issues"
Fuck the force, all my homies hate (and ate) the force
~kreia
Wonder if Darth Vader would also have the same big fat block of text like Kylo Ren if he was in this meme… but I am not sure on that tho
If he kept up his attitude from the prequel films, it'd probably just say "It's all Obi-wan's fault!"
Or maybe something like "Younglings are like Pringles. Once you pop, you can't stop"
Or
"Padme died because big sad, so me kill because big angry"
Last one is probably the truest.
Or an "I'm 14andthisisdeep" thing like: local order can only be achieved by increasing global chaos. I am the Force of Chaos that will bring Order to the Galaxy"
Jadus and darth nul: we need to democratize the force
Everything that happens before episode 4 is a prequel, all of it, rebels, rogue one, kenobi, bad batch, tor, kotor 1 and 2, fallen order, survivor, force unleashed
Except the acolyte.
Because fuck the acolyte.
Acolyte? Isn't that the MC of TOR on the sith campaing?
That does not make it not a prequel. That just makes it a bad prequel.
That last one caught me way off guard. Nearly spit my drink out
“After my ascension all will be tranquil in this galaxy. You discern a fraction of reality. Beyond these stars are other galaxies, other worlds, other beings. I will experience or ignore them as I wish. I will spend eternity becoming everything; a farmer, an artist, a simple man. And when the last living thing in the universe finally dies I will enjoy peace, and wait for the cycle to begin again.”
Vitiate had the coolest quotes. If star wars ever needs a "thanos" like big bad for the movies then it should be him.
Agreed!
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Darth Nihilus was so freaking cool.
I liked him but it was pretty weird killing the guy who devours planets with a lightsaber. The text in the meme is barely less than what we get in the game to set him up.
He is entirely aura and it would have worked if he was a harder fight than at the very least Sion. The way Visas speaks about him is awesome buildup.
Starkiller: Following Orders.
Starkiller Clone: ✨Horny✨
Vader: Sad Life Story
One day I'm gonna sit down and finish KOTOR 2. I just DESPISE the combat.
Maybe you're making a poor build?
No it's the dice rolling and the waiting around to use skills. It's caught in between turned based and action and I prefer if they just pick a lane.
Okay, you ARE making a poor build if you're relaying on good rolls. Amd what waiting for skills? Yeah, the battles are semi-turn based, but the only thing with a "cooldown" are Force powers.
No. My builds are fine. I've beaten KOTOR 1 with no issue.
The combat is just not fun. Period.
Kreia: devs were rushed
So it's:
Kylo: wall of text (whiny)
Sheev: "Cuz I'm evil"
Kreia: wall of text (cool)
Nihilus: "I'm hungry"
Who's the third one?Edit: I know their name now
Kreia from kotor 2, same game as darth nihilus.
Gotta play that game
i mean technically they're prequels to the prequels soooo it should be good? pretty sure kotor content has been posted here a ton anyway.