as soon as they appear they are already on you, there is no dodging or blocking unless you can manifest your energy on the point of contact directly (which is more increasing durability than blocking)
Even Dagon's domain which just throws fish at you and not invisible cuts cannot be blocked. The shibuya sorcerers were just killing the fish after they appeared and before they could do too much damage.
You're the one bringing up Dagon being unable to harm Luffy when that wasn't the point of the comment. They were explaining surehits and used Dagon as an example.
But wasn't kusakabe able to deflect sukuna slashes with a sword that would suggest that they do actually travel and are avoidable pretty sure the wording says he can intercept anything that "enters" his simple domain which means they have to travel
unless they appear literally inside your body, then you can dodge, even if they appear just barely touching your body with the motion of hitting you starting if you are fatsre you can just move backwards and avoid it (unless multiples from all angles appear at the same time) this atacks are undogable because thats what JJK characters believe is not a fact if you use it on another verse ,they sure hits in jjk because characters cant move at mtfl,become untangible, reality warp or wtahever that would make the sure hits effects not hit, thenh that notion would be broken
Thats the issue with absolute statemntes, they only work in the specific verse
is like somoene stating my sword can cut everything in a random verse about swordsmans (or any other aboslute statement) but is only because the dura there is low af , is obvious it wont cut a god form another universe just becuase on his verse his statemnet is true
if luffy plays around and sukuna realises luffy is a whole playing field above him he might wait till luffy is doing his thing and than DE with WCS he might win but g2 or 3 could no dif sukuna, any normal luffy gets mid diffed tho (pre time skip or post)
no transformation luffy even with haki gets mid diffed, but hell its possible for sukuna to kill gear 5 luffy using WCS, DE or FUTA he'd just have to time it right and luffy wont be able to use his toon-force shenanigans to catch the WCS or the DE as it's sure hit.
As long as the flash has something to bypass slashes that appear on his body at the same time(I wouldn’t be surprised if he did) then yes, his speed is beyond instant
But it’s not like moving in between raindrops which you don’t need to ftl to do, its being cut everywhere at the same time with no travel speed
You DON'T hate Demon Slayer fans enough. Their Michael Jackson glaze is so NEFARIOUS they've started infiltrating other communities to disrupt the powerscaling ecosystem as a whole
Sorry I was joking. I was trying to do one of those clickbait headlines right there but I guess I needed the /s.
That said, I like the idea the Demon Slayer scalers have a shadowy agenda so widespread that they're pretending Luffy can avoid certain JJK hax because it will somehow help them down the line.
I think it's funny because I personally haven't seen the Demon Slayer glaze, just people responding to the glaze with mostly accurate slander.
All good on your part. I’ve just seen so much demon slayer hate lately that what you said seemed like something a certain powerscaler would actually say. I haven’t really seen much ds powerscaling since 2022 or so. They kind of are like the shadowy agenda of powerscaling, you always hear about them but never see them.
As a OP fan that can actually read, no he cannot the attacks appear on top of you giving no time dodge. That and the entire domain would give off malice as in there is no space within the room to move or escape to avoid it. He would see himself getting hit without being able to avoid it no matter what decision he makes. The only answer is too full body haki and pray he can tank it.
Realistically he would have a very hard time landing the Domain to begin with.
Using Gear 5 he tanks the domain easy enough tho and also could just break out of it by destroying it from the inside. Remember he flew through insta-kill laser twice with medium damage. A few non haki cuts can barely hurt him.
Nah he doesn't. But he can see in future what sukuna is about to do and decide to either blitz him or run away.
Also can't he tank them? Cause only world slash is dura neg. Normal cleave has been shown to be tankable. Maybe not for a full minute but for some secs for him to be able to close the distance or escape the domain.
Depends on the type of slash, any slash that takes time to travel? Yes observation haki should work HOWEVER.
Seeing how this is Sukuna’s domain sure it specifically, Luffy should be unable to dodge however idk if any one piece fan has argued this but technically if you believe armament haki can increase his durability high enough that the slashes can’t work, then technically he can use observation to see the attack coming and cover himself in armament. But that’s still not dodging.
No, Sure Hits can’t be dodged. Sure Hits do not exist until the moment of impact, so Luffy’s future sight would just show cuts manifesting on his body, and no matter how he moved, he would still have slashes manifest on his body.
Yoriichi doesn't solo the verse, but should reach the top 7-8 of the strongest (At least from Mahoraga and everyone above him, Yoriichi doesn't win)
Now about Luffy vs Sukuna, Luffy wins. However, his haki wouldn't be enough to see the cuts and dodge them. He would only see his body with the cuts or understand how Sukuna's expansion works.
As a die heart OP fan, attacks inside a domain are guaranteed hits, even with future sight they are almost impossible to dodge, all he can do is use armament haki to resist those, although G5 could turn the attacks into rubber and neglect the damage completely
If he's inside the domain then he can't evade them but if he sees the domain before sukuna uses it then he can evade being hit by it (not that the slashes are going to do much as luffy could punch sukuna like gojo hitted him to destroy the domain).
Yoruichi or yoriichi? Because yoruichi from Bleach solos jjk but yeah yoriichi gets clapped.
I think if this played out it would be similar to a fight seen in Warhammer 40k as there is a fight where one opponent can literally see the future and predict where to move two.
But the other keeps changing up swings, which still lands blows.
Just because you can see an attack coming doesn't guarantee a dodge, especially here as the auto attack would change to where Luffy would try and dodge to.
Mfs on the internet when you tell them a SUREHIT EFFECT has the effect of making the attack be a SURE HIT.
There are 4 ways to prevent a surehit in a domain. Domain Amplification, Simple Domain, Hollow Wicker Basket or Falling Blossom Emotion. Unless one of these 4 is active, the Surehit attack will be impossible to block, dodge or otherwise evade.
Ofc Luffy can pretty easily onetap Sukuna. But if Luffy fucks around Sukuna might be able to kill with a WCS, very unlikely tho.
Getting worked up over a hypothetical question about characters from two different shows with two different power systems is what's really brain dead. You can use any creative narrative to make it work and not work because it's all fake
Per One Piece, just because you can see an attack coming, if you aren't skilled enough to block it or fast enough to dodge it you will still get hit by it.
Even infinite speed does nothing, it's not a speed problem, it's just essentially a status effect, with the effect in question being Kunas slashes, they can't be avoided through dodging by definition.
Look, I love one piece, and Sukuna gets speed blitzed and out stat-ed so friggin hard by Luffy it's not even funny. But even I know that he can't get around Sukuna's eventual regeneration from just his energy, and he can't just dodge aimbot.
Ig he still wins by incap on Suk, but even then the question is that should that alone count as a win? If that's an acceptable condition then yea, otherwise it's a permanent stalemate.
What part of “surehit” is so hard to understand. Unless Haki somehow counts as a simple domain through some weird verse equalisation shit (which I doubt even though I’ve never watched One Piece far enough to get to introduction of Haki).
Luffy's future sight will show all the slashes land on him with no chance of dodging, but in typical Luffy fashion I think he'll just take this as a sign for him to go tank 'em head on.
Yes and I can see them I even have them on my screen right now..but if I don’t agree with someone then they are the worst person in history get debunked bro
Ah, yes, the infamous JJK world building that definitely is coherent and exists somewhere. Remember Binding Vows having specific conditions and limitations? Yeah, those were the times
Idk, I just felt like toward the end, the characters kinda just started spamming them with no clear explanation of their benefits and drawbacks, at least from what I can remember of the manga. Then again, the writing quality dropped like a rock by then, so who knows? Maybe I just have inaccurate memory
Malevolent Shrine attacks things with cursed energy with Cleave and everything without with dismantle. Theoretically (I mean he hasn't done it because doing so makes zero sence in the story of jjk) he could switch it around so even without vers equalisation Luffy would be bombarded with Cleave.
sukunas domain is different most de target people or objects with ce as shown when maki entered naoyas domain she wasnt targeted as domains only target ce while sukunas domain is something called a open domain instead of having a barrier like normal domains which trap the target sukunas domain doesn't have a barrier which is traded for a larger domain range and constatly targets everything that isnt sukuna you would know this when even maki who has 0 ce has to swapped away to be safe from the domain so even if luffy used AOH(advance observation haki) he would not be able to doge the attacks as there is literally no safe space to go to
Sukuna’s Domain is unique in that regard. It works by targeting everything within the area of the Domain, whether it has CE or not. That’s why he can turn buildings to dust.
As for why Luffy wouldn’t be able to dodge, Sure Hit Effects don’t exist until the moment of impact, and they apply everywhere in the Domain. It would be the equivalent of trying to avoid getting wet while being underwater.
I mean, imo Luffy would also dodge any domain expansions because of his foresight ability, and his speed, he'd know what was coming before it happened, so he would dodge it, now would he actually do that? knowing Luffy, probably not
quick question, when did I ever say he's lightspeed? oh, right, I never did, I only talked about his observation haki, y'all always misinterpret what I say, I wonder why that could be
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as soon as they appear they are already on you, there is no dodging or blocking unless you can manifest your energy on the point of contact directly (which is more increasing durability than blocking)
Even Dagon's domain which just throws fish at you and not invisible cuts cannot be blocked. The shibuya sorcerers were just killing the fish after they appeared and before they could do too much damage.
Weren't Dagons fish only coming into existence after they already bit you and that was the sure hit?
Yes Dagons sure but are the fish manifesting after they attack you But he can also summon non sure hit fish as a environmental attack
The same way Jogo issues a meteor to test Gojo
Technically Jogo's attack wasn't a sure hit, Gojo just whacked it to prove a point lol. It was stated in a databook.
I never said it was a sure hit I said it’s the same thing Dagon does with his non sure hit fish It’s a environmental effect of the domain
ooh whoops
Don't worry, not reading what he said properly is what proves you're a TRUE Jujutsu fan!
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mmm yeah I made it up for sure
Thanks that detail kinda confused me
yes, that's why they cant be blocked. once they appear their teeth are already on you but you can kill them before they chomp off your arm
Granted they do look like the move towards you rather than spawn so I can see the confusion.
And that’s why Dagon is the goat and does so much with so little.
Dagons shikigami wouldn’t be able to pierce his skin
different question, no one is arguing Dagon > Luffy.
He brought up his sure hit
the question is about the surehit being dodged or not
Again he brought up Dagon when he already explained how sure hits work
It was an example of how surehits work. Nowhere did they say anything remotely similar to "Dagon's surehit would do damage to Luffy"
And I never said he did, did you read that somewhere?
You're the one bringing up Dagon being unable to harm Luffy when that wasn't the point of the comment. They were explaining surehits and used Dagon as an example.
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He still isnt dodging them
We know that
What about seawater? I seem to remember that Dagon can also shoot seawater. Heck, doesn't the beach domain have seawater?
Depends on if it truly acts like water or not but he’s most likely not getting submerged in the water.
But wasn't kusakabe able to deflect sukuna slashes with a sword that would suggest that they do actually travel and are avoidable pretty sure the wording says he can intercept anything that "enters" his simple domain which means they have to travel
that's for dismantles that are thrown normally, they travel from Sukuna's hand to you. domain surehits spawn right on you
Fair enough
Kusakabe wasn’t in a domain.
unless they appear literally inside your body, then you can dodge, even if they appear just barely touching your body with the motion of hitting you starting if you are fatsre you can just move backwards and avoid it (unless multiples from all angles appear at the same time) this atacks are undogable because thats what JJK characters believe is not a fact if you use it on another verse ,they sure hits in jjk because characters cant move at mtfl,become untangible, reality warp or wtahever that would make the sure hits effects not hit, thenh that notion would be broken
Thats the issue with absolute statemntes, they only work in the specific verse
is like somoene stating my sword can cut everything in a random verse about swordsmans (or any other aboslute statement) but is only because the dura there is low af , is obvious it wont cut a god form another universe just becuase on his verse his statemnet is true
well guess what
I was just about to say bro debunked himself in the first sentence 😭
I don't think they understand what "guaranteed hit" means, seeing the slashes beforehand isn't helping you lol, they are going to hit anyway.
(This isn't me saying Sukuna beats luffy btw)
if luffy plays around and sukuna realises luffy is a whole playing field above him he might wait till luffy is doing his thing and than DE with WCS he might win but g2 or 3 could no dif sukuna, any normal luffy gets mid diffed tho (pre time skip or post)
Post ts base Luffy casually beefing with Kaido:
Dying is casually beefing?
no transformation luffy even with haki gets mid diffed, but hell its possible for sukuna to kill gear 5 luffy using WCS, DE or FUTA he'd just have to time it right and luffy wont be able to use his toon-force shenanigans to catch the WCS or the DE as it's sure hit.
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I think it could stem from the scene in the anime where Gojo is in Jogo’s domain and blocks a rock that spawned on him from the sure hit effect.
To be fair, I don't think "guaranteed hit" concept even makes sense lol
Well yea, it’s gonna hit you no matter what
Sure, can he hit The Flash if he is either phasing or just running in circles veyr fast ?
As long as the flash has something to bypass slashes that appear on his body at the same time(I wouldn’t be surprised if he did) then yes, his speed is beyond instant
But it’s not like moving in between raindrops which you don’t need to ftl to do, its being cut everywhere at the same time with no travel speed
😭😭😭
You DON'T hate Demon Slayer fans enough. Their Michael Jackson glaze is so NEFARIOUS they've started infiltrating other communities to disrupt the powerscaling ecosystem as a whole
I get that demon slayer gets glaze but I think the hate that jjk fans have for demon slayer is much worse in comparison.
Sorry I was joking. I was trying to do one of those clickbait headlines right there but I guess I needed the /s.
That said, I like the idea the Demon Slayer scalers have a shadowy agenda so widespread that they're pretending Luffy can avoid certain JJK hax because it will somehow help them down the line.
I think it's funny because I personally haven't seen the Demon Slayer glaze, just people responding to the glaze with mostly accurate slander.
All good on your part. I’ve just seen so much demon slayer hate lately that what you said seemed like something a certain powerscaler would actually say. I haven’t really seen much ds powerscaling since 2022 or so. They kind of are like the shadowy agenda of powerscaling, you always hear about them but never see them.
I meant with his take in general
I don’t watch YouTube scalings so enlighten me about this guy
As a OP fan that can actually read, no he cannot the attacks appear on top of you giving no time dodge. That and the entire domain would give off malice as in there is no space within the room to move or escape to avoid it. He would see himself getting hit without being able to avoid it no matter what decision he makes. The only answer is too full body haki and pray he can tank it.
Realistically he would have a very hard time landing the Domain to begin with.
Using Gear 5 he tanks the domain easy enough tho and also could just break out of it by destroying it from the inside. Remember he flew through insta-kill laser twice with medium damage. A few non haki cuts can barely hurt him.
But yes dodging point blank cuts is not possible.
Sukuna's domain doesn't have an "inside" to break out of being an open domain.
Sukuna’s Domain can’t be broken from the inside or outside. There’s no solid barrier to impact.
most of the comments are all saying no, and it seems the guy himself believes luffy cant dodge them
the people who voted yes are all mostly op glazers, they dont care for the debate they would just vote luffy
Most of the time, people on YouTube just pick the most popular choice and move on.
Yeah, I feel like some people just don’t read the caption and vote for who ever would win
Some people in this world are just slow and thats ok. Getting angry over them is a literal waste of brainpower, just block and move on 🙏
Nah he doesn't. But he can see in future what sukuna is about to do and decide to either blitz him or run away.
Also can't he tank them? Cause only world slash is dura neg. Normal cleave has been shown to be tankable. Maybe not for a full minute but for some secs for him to be able to close the distance or escape the domain.
All of that is true but the question is about dodging
Honestly world cutting slash being dura neg even has arguments against it 😭
Bro what arguments? Cause that sounds like egregious downplay.
Domains are a sure hit as in they literally just manifest on your body. They don't do traveling that you can dodge
At best you can argue that Observation Haki would let the user see that Sukuna is about to use a Domain and they would leave his range
Depends on the type of slash, any slash that takes time to travel? Yes observation haki should work HOWEVER.
Seeing how this is Sukuna’s domain sure it specifically, Luffy should be unable to dodge however idk if any one piece fan has argued this but technically if you believe armament haki can increase his durability high enough that the slashes can’t work, then technically he can use observation to see the attack coming and cover himself in armament. But that’s still not dodging.
Do they not understand "Sure hit" attack?
No, Sure Hits can’t be dodged. Sure Hits do not exist until the moment of impact, so Luffy’s future sight would just show cuts manifesting on his body, and no matter how he moved, he would still have slashes manifest on his body.
Yoriichi doesn't solo the verse, but should reach the top 7-8 of the strongest (At least from Mahoraga and everyone above him, Yoriichi doesn't win)
Now about Luffy vs Sukuna, Luffy wins. However, his haki wouldn't be enough to see the cuts and dodge them. He would only see his body with the cuts or understand how Sukuna's expansion works.
Real I comment every time its kinda fun as a joke but his takes are buns.
As a die heart OP fan, attacks inside a domain are guaranteed hits, even with future sight they are almost impossible to dodge, all he can do is use armament haki to resist those, although G5 could turn the attacks into rubber and neglect the damage completely
If he's inside the domain then he can't evade them but if he sees the domain before sukuna uses it then he can evade being hit by it (not that the slashes are going to do much as luffy could punch sukuna like gojo hitted him to destroy the domain).
Yoruichi or yoriichi? Because yoruichi from Bleach solos jjk but yeah yoriichi gets clapped.
I think if this played out it would be similar to a fight seen in Warhammer 40k as there is a fight where one opponent can literally see the future and predict where to move two.
But the other keeps changing up swings, which still lands blows.
Just because you can see an attack coming doesn't guarantee a dodge, especially here as the auto attack would change to where Luffy would try and dodge to.
wait till gege gives sukuna his anti luffy technique he hasn't used since the heian era
Mfs on the internet when you tell them a SUREHIT EFFECT has the effect of making the attack be a SURE HIT.
There are 4 ways to prevent a surehit in a domain. Domain Amplification, Simple Domain, Hollow Wicker Basket or Falling Blossom Emotion. Unless one of these 4 is active, the Surehit attack will be impossible to block, dodge or otherwise evade.
Ofc Luffy can pretty easily onetap Sukuna. But if Luffy fucks around Sukuna might be able to kill with a WCS, very unlikely tho.
Getting worked up over a hypothetical question about characters from two different shows with two different power systems is what's really brain dead. You can use any creative narrative to make it work and not work because it's all fake
Per One Piece, just because you can see an attack coming, if you aren't skilled enough to block it or fast enough to dodge it you will still get hit by it.
Even infinite speed does nothing, it's not a speed problem, it's just essentially a status effect, with the effect in question being Kunas slashes, they can't be avoided through dodging by definition.
Look, I love one piece, and Sukuna gets speed blitzed and out stat-ed so friggin hard by Luffy it's not even funny. But even I know that he can't get around Sukuna's eventual regeneration from just his energy, and he can't just dodge aimbot.
Ig he still wins by incap on Suk, but even then the question is that should that alone count as a win? If that's an acceptable condition then yea, otherwise it's a permanent stalemate.
No. Not unless something about G5 counts as a simple domain or it's own domain OR no VE so he can't be targeted without CE.
If he has no way to negate the surehit effect, they cannot be dodged. That's...literally what surehit means
The animeato virus
He'd need to know how a domain works to do this, but if he's using future sight he probably has enough time to run out of the domain.
What part of “surehit” is so hard to understand. Unless Haki somehow counts as a simple domain through some weird verse equalisation shit (which I doubt even though I’ve never watched One Piece far enough to get to introduction of Haki).
No need. Luffy can just use armament Haki to make the slashes irrelevant. Sukuna can't even use Haki; he's cooked
Luffy's future sight will show all the slashes land on him with no chance of dodging, but in typical Luffy fashion I think he'll just take this as a sign for him to go tank 'em head on.
Gng, debate with him instead of making a drugged post 🙏🏻
Who,animeato? Bro has never met this man…you can’t have a proper debate with him trust me
Absurd copyism. He literally showed the results of debates he had on Discord in the past.
Yes and I can see them I even have them on my screen right now..but if I don’t agree with someone then they are the worst person in history get debunked bro
This is why i have mixed feelings on Animeato. His takes can range from horrid dogshit to actually reasonable.
But yeah, those who voted yes are most likely OP glazers. They prob don't even know how sure-hits work.
Don't Domain's work by targeting a person's CE? Why wouldn't Luffy be able to dodge?
2.DE is closer to manifesting attacks on you (even Naobito couldn't dodge Dagon's fish despite his power giving him speed)
Civillains 100% have CE, this is like foundational for the worldbuilding
Ah, yes, the infamous JJK world building that definitely is coherent and exists somewhere. Remember Binding Vows having specific conditions and limitations? Yeah, those were the times
the entire reason geto wanted to commit genocide was cause non sorcerers make cursed spirits by leaking their ce, cant leak ce if you dont have it
I think you may just be stupid. Binding vows work pretty consistently.
Idk, I just felt like toward the end, the characters kinda just started spamming them with no clear explanation of their benefits and drawbacks, at least from what I can remember of the manga. Then again, the writing quality dropped like a rock by then, so who knows? Maybe I just have inaccurate memory
They absolutely do not. Binding vows are skewed towards Sukuna in the story.
How so? Can you give an instance of them working differently for Sukuna than for someone else?
Civilian's have small amounts of cursed energy too . But also Sukuna's domain rains down slashes everywhere within the domain
sukuna's domain is different, his dismantle targets things with no ce
Malevolent Shrine attacks things with cursed energy with Cleave and everything without with dismantle. Theoretically (I mean he hasn't done it because doing so makes zero sence in the story of jjk) he could switch it around so even without vers equalisation Luffy would be bombarded with Cleave.
Verse equalization, thus Luffy has CE.
doesnt even matter for sukunas slashes
Yeah it really doesn’t but the OP was making a point about how Luffy won’t be targeted in a domain since he has no CE.
sukunas domain is different most de target people or objects with ce as shown when maki entered naoyas domain she wasnt targeted as domains only target ce while sukunas domain is something called a open domain instead of having a barrier like normal domains which trap the target sukunas domain doesn't have a barrier which is traded for a larger domain range and constatly targets everything that isnt sukuna you would know this when even maki who has 0 ce has to swapped away to be safe from the domain so even if luffy used AOH(advance observation haki) he would not be able to doge the attacks as there is literally no safe space to go to
Even without ce he’d be treated as an object so it still affect him.
Sukuna’s Domain is unique in that regard. It works by targeting everything within the area of the Domain, whether it has CE or not. That’s why he can turn buildings to dust.
As for why Luffy wouldn’t be able to dodge, Sure Hit Effects don’t exist until the moment of impact, and they apply everywhere in the Domain. It would be the equivalent of trying to avoid getting wet while being underwater.
what's wrong with ato takes on ds 😭 ?
if you don't like them just go debate him
He just cannot 🥀
Luffy does beat Sukuna tho
I don’t like the way he scales but his quite consistent in his scaling. I think the hating is quite childish actually
Consistently wrong, yes. Personally just hate that he glazes,and hate his takes, nothing wrong with him though.
you dont like his takes? debate him
You can’t debate with animeato bru😭 he doesn’t know how to properly
he does , why are you spreading misinformation lol
Because I hate his takes so I am automatically right get debunked
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no, but he wouldn't ever get trapped in the domain in the first place
its almost like shrine's entire thing that it doesnt trap anyone
I mean, imo Luffy would also dodge any domain expansions because of his foresight ability, and his speed, he'd know what was coming before it happened, so he would dodge it, now would he actually do that? knowing Luffy, probably not
"luffy can you use your ftl travel speed to get to doflamingo before he kills more people?"
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quick question, when did I ever say he's lightspeed? oh, right, I never did, I only talked about his observation haki, y'all always misinterpret what I say, I wonder why that could be