Most feats are basically: Someone commenting about it on the sidelines and thats 100% true.

Basically hearsays are canon.

Yeah to me Yhwach's feats are either an angry birds thing, or an Infinity Gauntlet / Fairly Oddparents thing.

It's not that he can 'destroy and remake the universe because he's so strong', ICHIGO IS JUST AS STRONG AND HE CAN'T DO ANY OF THAT. Yhwach can only do it as a perk included by being the Soul King, ruler of reality, it's an ability and not truly a combat feat.

Aizen is also really powerful and became godlike as a Butterfly. Does that mean Aizen can at least destroy and remake galaxies? I don't think so. It's just an attribute of Juha / whoever holds the SK position, just like having the Gauntlet to reshape reality.

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Its all stated in CFYOW

Didn't Uryū outrun his own shadow?

All the mtfl feats I see start with the assumption that ceros are literally light until that is inconvenient and then it's no longer light and can move faster. Everything is chainscaled from there

The novelization refers to ceros as light. If you don't assume literal language, then there's no argument. Even assuming literal language, it's clearly not just light. It is using reiatsu as a medium. Light through a medium can travel at any speed, even stop. So even assuming it's light, you have to then make a series of assumptions to keep light speed

Damn, its almost been an entire day without a massive hate boner for Bleach, so close. Guess we are back to zero days.

Yhwach is one of the few that fit that description and he's only universal, multiversal Bleach is massive wank.

Bleach isn’t Dragon Ball. People don’t go around blowing up planets and universes because there’s no convenient wish balls to restore them afterwards.

The plot of TYBW is Yhwach wanting to collapse the realms into a single realm and then create a new world from it. Originally he wanted to do it by killing the Soul King, but Mimihagi stopped that, so Yhwach decided to absorb the Soul King and use his Reiatsu to do it manually.

Soul King literally creating the realms in a flashback, why you even using this pic? Are you dumb or what? 

You could research it instead of being dense.

It’s all in the statements

I had the same experience with One Piece. Watched all of it but never found out where all the multi continental feats are.

Aaroniro is seen dodging actual real light, not cero not laser actual (artificial)sunlight and he's low-mid tier

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Senjumaru's feat, Yhwach's feat & Adyneus being the lynchpin.

The Senjumaru thing is one of them, arguably Aizen did some when he destroyed the cleaner. The soul king while super weakened was holding the 3 realms together, and later on Ywach is about to merge all 3 together. As far as speed, simplest one is Aaroniero dodging sunlight. That’s just pretty much light speed. And he’s fooooooooooooodee

Yhwach when he is going to collapse and remake the three universes into one and the soul king when he did the opposite and then kept the balance.

The faster than light is when the people use their movement techniques . Which causes them to move a lot faster than anything normally do.

You do remember there are barriers under Askin right?

As for Yhwach, you mean where he outright says he's going to do it with power and NOT some hax thing?

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I'm not a fan of multiversal Bleach scaling really, however they are definitely FTL by a good margin. In the soul society when the light drops to pick up Aizen and co, they dodge it, it's stated to be light and to move at light speed. And that was soul society level characters

Senjumaru shaking the realms by just releasing Bankai, this is further supported by statements of Squad Zero being able to destroy the realms at full power.

We also have Yhwach that was going to destroy and remake the realms.

MFTL comes from various feats of character didging light attacks and then using Bankai multipluers to get higher.

So basickly, think of it like this, anyone who is in Squad Zero, is Ichigo, is Aizen, or is Yhwach is Universal/Multiversal.

Everyone else can range from like Multi-Galaxy for high-tiers and below for the rest of the verse.

Did you not pay attention or what?

Imagine binge watchign an entire series with your eyes closed......Idk about mftl feats off hand but here's an easy ftl feat from early story

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They dodged literal beams of light, as for multiversal thats down to statements etc and only really applies to 1 or 2 chars really Then we have uryu moving faster than his own shadow, flash step and sonido, aaroneiro (or however its spelt) dodging sunlight......

Personally I don't believe in multiversal, but things like senjumaru shaking all 3 realms just by release her SP to perform bankai, I would say is a uni feat as it shook all 3 realms

Also jst because a massive amount of DC isnt shown doesnt mean AP isnt that high......... the agenda has to stop

Senjumaru shaking the 3 universes and is implied to be cappable of destroying them of letting loose

Same with EOS yhwach which was his goal

Well aizen was stated to blow up the soul palace with limiters on him. Then you got ywhach affecting three dimensions at same time. Ichigo has the raw strength to kill them but lack training/fundamentals of his own abilities. Gremey was creating a door to space then Kenny cuts through it. Some shows don’t display strength like gurren Lagann or fate/db

Im pretty surr Askin is being panicky here he is of course witnessing the accession of a god first hand and the world crumbling at his feet. Im pretty sure he can fly

This dude just copied the same thread made 6 months ago with the same photo.

In some ways, Bleach takes after Saint Seiya, a verse that left a lot of things of very high scaling to being statements rather than show outright. It is perhaps the manga that has conceptualized or popularized the concept of "attack potency" in the medium.

However, the major difference with Saint Seiya is it has showed explicit visuals of scale every now and then that justify the high scaling.

Such as this one from the classic manga, Knights of the Zodiac:

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There are other feats and events (such as this) showed along with explicit statements in the Next Dimension sequel and Episode G spinoffs that are in alignment with its cosmic scaling. Like Dragon Ball, Saint Seiya also made use of time traveling, which is an essential narrative of the sequel. A verse doesn't always need to show outright destruction of planets, stars, or galaxies for its scaling to be half to fully believable. Showing a visual of those things being impacted, such as with Hades' Greatest Eclipse, can go a long way. Senjumaru did indeed shake the realms, but did she really influence outer space is the question. The closest a Bleach character has interacted with outer space at all was with Gremmy creating a miniature one with his power of imagination.

And thing about the statements made in Saint Seiya from what I've seen is they are clear cut, and less use of flowery amd ambigious language, idioms, and similes ("Heaven and Earth, "worlds" "realms", "flash of light", etc.) when translated into English. For instance, it's given to readers early in the series that each of the three knight ranks have a general or baseline speed, such as Bronze Saints generally having Mach 1 speed, then it moves up to Mach 2-5 with Silver Saints, and Gold Saints are light speed and up with the awakening of the 7th sense and above. In comparison to Bleach, to this day, it's still not told what Kirinji meant by the speed of "normal shunpo", so it's left to readers and watchers to interpret that to whatever baseline speed they want it to be. If we're giving the speed or a baseline speed of this "normal shunpo"or even just the distance between the Royal Palace and Seireitei, then it help clear up some perception on Ichigo and Bleach speed scaling.

Low effort rage bait since you literally saw rukia Renji and ichigo fall from this height face first time out no issues lmao

Ceros are light speed. Quincy arrows are also light speed

Big 3 are super wanked

It can actually be explained pretty well using a nuke as an example. If you just throw a nuke at a building, it might only cause minor damage. But if you detonate it, it releases enough energy to level a city. Same thing here these characters have enough energy to destroy dimensions, but it depends on how they use it.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/BleachPowerScaling/s/Wzsnp1mG9L

Edit: this is just for the speed iirc

Well, I can explain my friend.

Speed Feats?

Characters mostly get high speed feats from dodging super fast beams and blast at close range, and then they have form/power multipliers on top of it (which is how the series got to At least Massively Hypersonic and FTL).

Multiversal feats?

Okay, i'll make this simple

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The Espada realm size is not clear, but due to the fact that they are all 3 realms of significance to each other, it is very reasonable for the Espada world to be the same size as both soul society or world of the living.

But even if we don't count Espada world, we have two full universe (as you can see the sky with stars for both worlds) being effortlessly shaken by not even the most powerful character in the series.

Did we not watch the same episode where a royal guard’s bankai literally started tearing the fabric of numerous other realms? They are in there own separated area closed in by barriers but it still had so much reitsu that it poured into other dimensions

Literally the entire conflict of TYBW is stopping Yhwach from destroying three worlds and creating a single universe without death (and no, they are not planets, stop with this stupid headcanon, it was debunked multiple times).

Gremmy, who's not even an elite sternritter, casually creates stars and cosmos.

Senjumaru openly says, that if all Squad Zero members activated their bankai at the same time, it would also collapse the three worlds. And her own bankai sent shockwaves across the three worlds just from its activation.

Hell oneshot reveals, that Aizen and Yhwach were passively keeping Hell in check (completely different dimension thats not even a part of three worlds) just by having gigantic reatsu.

And on top if it here is quote from the novel

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The author straight up tells you, that everyone connected to Soul King are universal or close to it, but powerscalers will ignore it cause its not an energy beam or big punch.

But these same people will happily wank Freeza/Majin Buu to universal because someone somewhere said "he's a danger to the universe".

Bleach characters literally can fly. All of the strong ones at least, since fake karakura town Arc. This character even has purple glowy wings as an ability.

If you use some hallucinogenic substances you'll see how bleach is low complex hill level

This is the exact same reaction I had when I was first reading Bleach. But for me it was even worse because I was manga only pre-TYBW anime so even the Senjumaru feat didn't exist (and even that is only around solar system level).

Turns out it's all just being extremely generous with out of context statements and straight up glaze.

Bleach is one of the funny series where the causal fans don't even think the characters are solar system level while powerscalers swear multiverse level is actually a lowball

Did you binge with your comprehension turned off?

ftl we have uryu outspeeding his shadow from soul society arc, as for the multiversal best i can do is multi planetary

There a lot of people here that claim a character is universal, but the character could never take out a solar system

There aren't any. One or two characters can destroy this block.

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I've seen hills destroyed, but never planets in Bleach. There must be a reason.

Multiversal planets

That’s the neat part, there are none!

They dont exist

As a lifelong Bleach fan, multiversal Bleach is a fucking joke. Shaking the three realms just isn’t as impressive when then entire local cosmology is an oversized jenga tower with one block left at the bottom.

Bleach characters aren’t pathetically weak, though- stuff like the Mimihage crossing the massive distance from the Seireitei to the Soul Palace in seconds and Ichibei casually zipping around thousands of kilometers in an instant are nothing to sneeze at. Kenpachi destroying a city/country-sized meteor (i am not getting into seireitei size scaling) in a single strike is also an impressive feat of strength, alongside some of the whacky levels of AP from stuff like Yamamoto’s 10 billion degrees celsius bankai (literal star-level AP).

I don’t think Bleach reaches planet level DC outside of maybe the highest of high-tiers like Soul King Yhwach post Auswhalen-ing his SS, but country to continental is a pretty good summation of the high tiers. AP, however, reaches star level with the high tiers (see again Yamamoto’s bankai). The gap between AP and DC is just how the power system works.

Bleach also has the issue of having most fights take place in important areas (fake karakura, real karakura, seireitei, the soul palace) that can’t suffer too much collateral damage for plot reasons, so attacks end up only barely clipping buildings (see starkk’s ceros) or just only being aimed into the sky to hit nothing at all if they miss (see also starkk’s ceros. Poor starkk lmao. featless man).

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The issue is most of the high end feats are implied rather like Ywach about to merge the realms. Then we have feats like Senjumaru shaking the three realms just upon unleashing her Bankai( this is the main one), then the Ichigo Iruzando feat( depends though some think it's a hyperbole or metaphorical).

Haven't been a big fan of speed scaling in bleach but there are ways of getting the verse to mftl with the interpretation of Light ceros and Negaçions.

You found the universal scale, that answer to it all is just we don't know how big the bleach verse it and it's mostly up to interpretation but the dangai and the fact that soul society holds all the souls of the living for thousands of years but that isn't any specific answer.

for FTL you need to read data books but most of the hollow techniques are just stated to be light (examples: cero or the Negación that aizen used to escape SS) the point for the verse is that these characters are really fast already but being blits tiers above light speed hollow blast from fodder hollows up scales.

All in all bleach is controversial for its scaling because they don't really spell it out very well leaving room to interpret soul society as only planet lvl

I call the phenomenon, "Gotta be more right?" It's when the same feats are performed in multiple arcs to signal mounting power but because they're identical to the previous feats fans just kind of assume a huge difference between the two. Take dragonball. Dudes moving so fast that you can't keep up happens in EVERY arc. It's the same feat. But we ASSUME the new guy is way faster than the old one because our heroes beat that old guy right? This MUST be faster.

Idk 🤷‍♂️

They were stated in CFYOW

There mostly in the manga

My interpretation of this is pretty consistent, that bleach characters are massive glass canons with the spiritual pressure system

I think people should just like the things they like and not argue about who’s stronger or who would win bye power scaling Reddit :) to quote Sonic it doesn’t matter

Ichigos speed by end of series is absolutely insane. Ichibei whose single flash step covers 1000 ri, which roughly translates to the size of the united states tells ichigo that to get back down to seireitei from the palace would take him about a week, ichigoat traverses this distance in just a few hours alone. By the time yhwach gets to the soul palace hes constantly showing attacks that immediately break that 1 week travel time distance. Ichigo has no problem reacting to these attacks. He even started to find a limit to the almighty after he starts to outpace it iirc but i could be remembering the end of the yhwach fight wrong its been a while and i really wanna be surprised by cour 4. You'll notice how in the blood war anime there's a lack of shunpo. Its because they are constantly fighting at "high speed" now we are just watching it in "slow mo" but its regular speed.

Id also like to say that every anime scales things in their own weird way, one piece for example uses that dudes ice continent statement as a feat to get luffy to multi continental. Well how can you destroy a continent when youre whole map only has one continent on it, and youre whole thing has been about a series of islands? Ill give you, that maybe you destroyed a bigger ice island. Ain't no fucking continent young blood. We see luffy punch an island as he takes down kaido. It doesnt even do damage to the terrain, or city or island. Yeah yeah dc does not equal ap. I agree. Yeah yeah haki does internal damage yeah yeah. Brother his fist was as big as the island. The amount of force generated even by force alone should of done something. But no one wants to call gear 5 fraud luffy out cause toei the goat studio knocks that shit out the park week after week.

I remembered an person said each squad 0 member individually are universal

Where would you scale a character that could break into a different dimension with sheer force?

MFTL cliffs

Bleach is a "broken-verse" because of it's hack abilities. The problem is it's really hard to translate them to any other verse; their mechanics are deeply intertwined with the cosmology and metaphysics of the Bleach universe.

The main speed feat is upscaling from SS arc Uryu where he moved faster than his own shadow, and since everyone is waaay stronger and faster than that, it's reasonable to upscale.

Yes, the reason the Shoe Staffel or however you say that shit were going to die was because of the soul shield, you essentially have to have a specialized barrier of high density Reshi or it will rip you apart at the soul and molecular level. This happened in the Soul Society Arc where you see that they need the super duper cool shield or they fucking DIE.

I only watched the anime; the only truly universal feat of Bleach was the Soul King splitting the universe into 3.

MFs ignoring the fact that if they fell from there, they would directly fall onto Sekki-Seki/ shakonmaku that covers all of seireitei.

And shakommaku is verbatim said to delete anything it touches.

pierrot sucks at animating

in the heads of glazzzers

If you believe the ceros or whatever TF they are are light speed than from than on everything is most FTL + to mftl+

mftl no but multiversal in hellverse and manga

Goku has never blown up a planet. But we know he can. Statements are just as important as actual feats

You have a lot of free time

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