Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker just signed the “Medical Aid in Dying” bill allowing for physician assisted death. I’ve seen a lot of push back from the right on this bill, and I guess I’m just confused on the rationale??

This feels like an issue that would fall under “personal liberties” category that the GOP has been a fan of recently, especially in the medical field. Just wondering what the qualms of assisted suicide are? Is it religious justification? Is it just anti-Pritzker bias? Just looking for some insight.

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  • A few distinctions: It's aid in dying - not suicide. You are most certainly dying, have a terminal diagnosis and make an informed decision to self-administer a medication that will hasten death. The MD does not administer the medication, only writes the order for the medication. Some conditions are chronic but do not cause death on their own and these conditions do not qualify. Consider severe pain, skin conditions, mental health disorders, these would not qualify for aid in dying because by themselves they are not terminal diseases.

    Please consider diseases that are terminal and cause incredible suffering: ALS, COPD, pulmonary fibrosis. liver fibrosis, cardiac and renal failure, MS, Parkinson's, advanced cancers. Often times pain medication does not relieve suffering. This is where medical aid in dying would be a compassionate choice an individual can make along with their loved ones and medical team.

    It should be allowed for any adult individual who wants it though

  • The personal liberties thing is a lie. It always has been. 

    When Christian theocracy and liberty clash, Republicans come down on the same side every single time.

    When Christian theocracy and liberty clash, Republicans come down on the same side every single time.

    Except on issues of taxation or corporate regulation. Then it doesn't matter that the Christian thing to do might be to pay your taxes to help the less well off, or for businesses to show some responsibility to wider society. That would be a socialist restriction on individual liberty.

    You misunderstand. They mean "Christian," not anything to do with the teachings of Christ. eg: marriage only between one man and one woman--with women in their place, the poor deserve to be so, and you must shout about your faith constantly and publicly while decrying any others' beliefs.

    I don't know why the concerns are being framed as purely Republican/Christian.

    While I learn towards supporting these bills, I also recognize we live under a for-profit medical system. One that could easily recommend this or remove barriers to ensure that poor people who can't possibly pay them free up beds.

    Conversely. Someone else might be encouraged or denied the process in order to keep living in pain because their checks aren't bouncing yet.

    I think some healthy suspicion is warranted. These things have happened in other places that passed similar bills.

    Or maybe we just don't see the idea of liberty the same. Not everyone/every idea on the other side is evil.

    Liberty is liberty. You either believe in it or you don't.

    Not everyone/every idea on the other side is evil.

    If you don't want to be generalized as evil then maybe don't support that side that treats attempts to engage in nuanced discussion with them as something to be exploited.

    I've spent the better part of my politically aware life over the last 20+ years trying to hear people out and see things from their side. All I've seen in return is bad faith arguments and trolls whose goal is to exhaust, derail, and waste the time of anyone foolish enough to engage.

    Conservatives are evil full stop. Liberals are barely any better. The right-wing is predicated upon the oppression of others for the benefit of an in group.

    I don't think that's it.

    Ayn Rand never wrote nor said anything of value.

  • Because life is sacred blah, blah, blah.

    Spent a career in medicine and see it as a final act of compassion.

    The party that says you dont have a right to die is the same party that says they should have the right to kill you. (death penalty).

    And the right to keep you from life saving medical procedures that your doctor insists you need - because the baby you were carrying in hopeful anticipation for months has died inside of you. Only you have to pass it naturally now, risking sepsis and death carrying a dead fetus around inside of you. Because they know better than you and your doctor do about your emergency situation. 🙄🙄🙄

    I disagree with it, but I understand where you come from.

    This law only allows it on terminal patients l, which is the only version I think I could possibly get behind, but even then I am strongly on the fence.

    My next door neighbor has terminal cancer, the last decision he tells me he will make is when to ask for physician assisted suicide. I think it’s only fair to let a person make this decision rather than suffer through weeks of intense pain.

    Why? What difference does it make to you when people decide to not live with agonizing disease anymore?

    1. Issues surrounding misuse or coercion
    2. Religious reasons

    Why should your religion decide what I can do with my life?

    It shouldn't inherently, but in any democratic society I have a voice. And this voice includes my morals. The same way you vote using your morals.

    But, take for the sake of the argument that my religious beliefs are that pork is unclean (let’s say). Do you think it is reasonable for me to vote and support curtailing the rights of anyone anywhere to eat pork, because my religion says it is unclean? Should American Muslims following your example vote for and support the enforcement of Islamic dress codes for women as American law? Or is it only your religious beliefs that should be enshrined over all others?

    But, take for the sake of the argument that my religious beliefs are that pork is unclean (let’s say). Do you think it is reasonable for me to vote and support curtailing the rights of anyone anywhere to eat pork, because my religion says it is unclean?

    Does your belief believe it's wrong for non-followers to eat pork? Do you have a secular reasoning behind it alongside your religious one? If yes. I would say it's reasonable.

    Should American Muslims following your example vote for and support the enforcement of Islamic dress codes for women as American law? Or is it only your religious beliefs that should be enshrined over all others?

    Reasonable ≠ should

    Non followers of any religion should not be held to the standards of the religious beliefs of those followers.

    Anything else is just religious tyranny

    Non followers of any religion should not be held to the standards of the religious beliefs of those followers

    Depends on the belief. If a Muslim comes to America, they can absolutely be forced to adhere to our moral laws, that can stem from religion. Things like polygamy laws or prostitution laws.

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    They aren't saying you have to respect it. They're simply saying they have the right to disagree with it on religious moral grounds. You're arguing against a point they never made.

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    Okay. You can believe that. But that doesn't have any relevance to their answer to a question they were asked.

    Do you believe rape should be illegal?

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    You didn't answer my question.

    I have never beaten my wife so your question is not applicable. My God tells me to love my wife as Christ loves the church, so it would prohibit the beating of one's wife. There is also the aspect that I just wouldn't want to hit my wife anyways.

    You think you have a right to cause someone to forcibly suffer with a terminal disease because you believe in some fanciful religion lol ok

    Your religious reasons should only impact your decisions, not anyone else’s. Period. You’re free to practice your religion and I’m free to not have it forced on me.

    Luckily I had a secular reason as well, so my point stands.

    I included the second part because the comment before asked me personally.

    My point still stands. Your religious beliefs are yours and yours alone. They should not influence laws.

    Luckily I support it being law for a secular reason, so no your point doesn't stand.

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    Not logically.

    Religion shouldn't influence laws

    My reason for supporting a law is secular

    These events are non-relational logically as the only premise included are opposites in positive relations.

    My point absolutely stands. Your religious beliefs should have no weight in society other than having the freedom to practice the religion of your choosing.

    Ok then disregard my religious point. I can defend my beliefs in a secular field so I am not pressing my religion on society.

    "Religious reasons" is a cop-out, there is nothing inherently wrong with medically assisted suicide from a Christian theology or Biblical perspective. You've just been told your whole life bullshit about the "sanctity of life" that is an entirely political and post-Biblical creation and you've never questioned it.

    It's cool to sacrifice your own healthy son if you think God is telling you to do it, but it's not cool to avoid letting your own son starve to death in a hospital bed when their death is already inevitable? That's just intentionally ignorant, literal insane cruelty that has been allowed to co-opt your religion, it is not Christian in any way.

    This tells me you haven’t watched a loved one starve to death because assisted suicide wasn’t an option. As you get older you realize natural causes mostly means that you stop eating or being able to eat. It isn’t fast or pretty. It would be considered torture and/or abuse in any other situation.

    I had to grow up a bit quick watching my mother die of cancer. She lost 20lbs in one week, and after that she never weighed triple digits again. She lived 4 months of her life weighing less than one of our dogs. She was 29.

    So your advocating that others also suffer horribly instead of taking an easier way after having experienced this.

    Edit: after a few comments. Yeah, people will misuse this. Just like they do everything else. We don't ban cars because people kill other people with them. We regulate as much as we can.

    When I get too old to walk and do shit I want to be able to choose to go before I completely rot and am a crazy burden on my family.

    My grandmother drained the savings my grandfather had and my father's at the end. My other grandmother lives in my mother's basement, barely able to walk, 80% blind, in pain, super unhappy.

    I refuse to become this and as a human that's my choice, legal or not and not one person is going to tell me ive got to keep on truckin even though my hands are swollen from arthitis, unable to hold a fork, pissing in a bag, shuffling blindly to the bathroom where I cant even wipe correctly. Dignity in death

    I never said I am advocating for this, I said when someone is terminally I'll is the only time I could possibly get behind it.

    It is only for people who are terminally ill. without exception

    Why though? The basis for compassionate relief should solely be based on quality of life. If you have the patient, their next of kin, a doctor, and an independent 3rd party sign off, all saying this person is better off dead. That person should be killed in the most compassionate way possible, why would you want a law that has zero context into the situation weighing in?

    When we determined it was time for my son to die, there were 5 doctors on his care team, my wife and myself all in complete agreement he had nothing good left to live for. Our only option was to withhold nutrition and hydration. It took three horrible weeks and we couldn’t even donate his organs after that point. Regulate. Make sure signoffs are truly compassionate and genuine, then let that person die. Why would you ever want to starve a person to death?

    I am so sorry to hear about your son, I couldn't imagine being in your situation.

    My main issue is that anytime you main killing legal it leaves room for misuse. Misuse, if even in one situation, leads to unnecessary death, and what is essentially legal murder. I am not saying it will be common, but it scares me to think anyone would be victim of such a permanent misuse of the system.

    Double-edged sword. How many are suffering now because family and medical staff are legally prevented from letting them die?

    Yes, but nature/illness is directly causing the pain, no human is conducting that. In misuse cases a person is killed directly by action of another person, and many of these euthanasia laws make this legal. That is why I am on the fence. It's not a lack of empathy towards those who suffer and wish to end it, but a vigilance for those who suffer who wish to endure.

    Surely you bring this same energy toward capital punishment then?

    I am generally opposed to capital punishment, except in situations where you get all 12 jurors to agree to execute.

    Just for clarity, you get all 12 to execute, not simply find guilty.

    Regardless, two situations are not comparable, people get their rights taken away when they commit a crime. A terminally I'll patient has not committed any crime.

    Misuse of the law would be murder. You could argue, the law gives people who want to murder cover, but the regulatory signoffs mean you would need several people culpable on that murder and you can take away a medical license much more easily then prosecute them for a crime. That’s a high enough bar to the point where it would seem to be less risky to just help a person kill themselves on their own or a relative does it for them if you wanted to nefariously kill a seriously ill, but non-fatal patient. You can also fix the regulations when abuse occurs, just like with any law. We allow people to drive cars, drink alcohol, carry guns, etc., even though there are many instances of fatal abuse that would seem much more prevalent then a conspiracy to murder individuals with serious medical ailments. In our profit driven medical system, it’s also far more lucrative to keep a profoundly unhealthy person alive than it is to kill them. They can be a burden to families or personal caregivers, but to anyone in the medical industry, they are cash cows. That’s your market driven check on abuse. I’m failing to see how abuse could be a thing here, at least in numbers greater than the other things we allow and the harm done by not allowing it is significant.

    This is especially true for anyone forgoing life sustaining treatment. At a bear minimum, we should allow the patients that opt to remove all life sustaining treatment to kill themselves humanely.

    Like abortion (unless you're a pregnant woman), it's absolutely none of your business to get behind it. Your responsibility is to not get in between doctors and patients.

    No, nothing like abortion. Making a decision to end your own life, only affects your life. Abortion affects two.

    I’m the opposite. We don’t get to decide if we want to enter this world, we should have the right to decide if we want to peacefully leave it.

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    Interesting, so do you think that it should be allowed for perfectly healthy adults as well?

    I do, but we have to agree on what perfectly healthy means because certainly mental health would need to be assessed.

    I meant physically.

    Do you not fear that some people might feel pressured into it? I hear this is particularly common among disabled people in Canada. There is an incentive as well because of Canadas public health system.

    I really haven’t considered someone being pressured or encouraged to do so, but that would be wrong, just as allowing someone who was mentally unstable to do so. So what I’m saying is there has to be some sort of regulation/oversight, you shouldn’t be able to pull up to the drive through widow and order a deathshake.

    However generally speaking I don’t think my rights should be restricted based upon something that hypothetically might happen to someone else. Over 40,000 people die in the US due to automobile accidents but I don’t think we should ban cars.

    To be eligible a patient must have less than six months to live and have diagnosis form three different doctors, a psychological evaluation being deemed competent to make the decision. Its not as easy as just getting a prescription. The patient is the only one who can administer said medication if someone else does they can be charged with homicide. It is usually used under the supervision of a hospice nurse.

    I have worked on many patients who are far beyond any type of lifesaving care because the family wanted it. Being coded is not a peaceful or dignified way to pass. The room is loud, chaotic and the procedure is violent to ensure good compression during CPR you need to break their ribs that is a sound and feeling I will never get rid of.

    I do understand where you are coming from and would like to thank you for being civil in your comments.

    Another important qualification is that the individual possess decisional making capacity. So people with brain injuries, dementia, etc. are disqualified for medical aid in dying.

    I definitely think we should be able to opt in to medical aides death with a dementia diagnosis. You and your doctor can agree to the criteria and then they handle it when you can no longer make the decision. Dementia is a horrible way to go.

    I would support this.

    Are your reasons spiritual?

  • The GOP is not the party of “personal liberties”, they are the party of authoritarian control. Everything they do is performative or based on wedge issues that can help get them elected. They say a lot about personal liberty, but as with anything, you have to watch what they do, not what they say, and right now “The Right” is leaning really far to the right.

    One of The Right’s wedge issues is “life”. They don’t really believe in life or at least they don’t believe in people having good lives, as much of what they enact or promote is closer to encouraging death or suffering related. (Capital punishment, family separation, beat downs by police, supporting pedophiles, pardoning literally dangerous criminals, taking away food from the poor, etc. I could literally go on for longer than my fingers would last)

    To answer your question, because they wedge “life”, they make the terminally ill suffer needlessly by making sure it’s illegal for them to end their own lives. This position helps make the GOP on the surface appear to be moral and in support of “life”, since suicide is traditionally looked down upon by many religious voters.

  • The Republican party does not care about personal liberties. In fact they are relentless in their push to go ever deeper into the private lives of citizens.

  • Personal liberties, when conservatives say it, mean THEIR liberties, not YOURS.

  • Strongly suggest watching the documentary How to Die in Oregon. It's around 25 years old but it is so thought provoking and well done.

    I agree! I also recommend Take Me Out Feet First on Netflix. If you're a reader check out "The Day I Die: The Untold Story of Assisted Dying" by Anita Hannig.

  • Not a single top level comment so far was made by an actual right wing person, just leftists putting up straw men.

    Here’s an actual answer: similar systems in Canada and Europe have been subject to abuse and expansion beyond the original terminal scope of MAID. Canada instituted MAID in 2016 for terminal cases only. In 2021 they expanded it to “irredeemable conditions” that were not terminal. In 2027 mental health alone will be within the legal threshold of MAID in Canada. There’s criticism from both the left and right about how MAID primarily harms the poor and homeless suffering more from socioeconomic issues rather than medical ones. There have been multiple cases where people have applied and been accepted to the MAID program because they couldn’t find adequate housing. There are plenty of very legitimate studies and articles in medical journals criticizing the systems scope expansion.

    In addition, the single payer healthcare system in Canada incentivizes MAID as a cost saving measure. Expensive, debilitating diseases can simply not be treated if the patient decides to die instead. Doctors have spoken out about practice standards that require the doctor to suggest MAID as opposed to waiting for the patient to initiate the conversation, which crosses an ethical red line.

    So, just over the northern border we have a working example of MAID to study and see how scope creep and mixed incentives increase deaths beyond the fringe terminal. A conservative approach to a policy that is shown to be easily abused in scope in a case study so close to home is to not institute such a policy in the first place.

    That’s a reasonable assessment, but the current iteration of the GOP is anything but truly conservative. They claim they are for personal freedom, but constantly support less freedom for things that do t concern them.

    Here are some counterpoints:

    In 2027 mental health alone will be within the legal threshold of MAID in Canada.

    There is no guarantee of that. Mental health conditions being classified as "irremediable" have been delayed twice already, in 2023, 2024, and now is to be revisited in 2027, due to the obvious concerns over the accuracy of psychiatric assessments.

    In addition, the single payer healthcare system in Canada incentivizes MAID as a cost saving measure .... Doctors have spoken out about practice standards that require the doctor to suggest MAID

    This claim is overstated and partially inaccurate. It is true that over $100 million is estimated to be saved with the enactment of the program, but there is no "requirement" that a doctor suggest it. Canada's Model Practice Standard recommends that physicians who form "reasonable grounds" to believe a patient may be eligible should "advise the person of the potential for MAID," if it determined to be "consistent with the person's values and goals of care." On the contrary, I would argue that the single payer healthcare system disincentivizes the option because people do not have to make their families go broke or be unable to pay for treatment.

    Besides, picking the most expansive assisted dying program in the world is not a greatly convincing example. The US has 12 states with MAiD programs, and all of them require terminal illness, and many have for a relatively longstanding period of time. Oregon, for instance, has had a program since 1997.

    Downvote facts - it is the republican way.

    Picking the most expansive assisted dying program is an entirely convincing example

    The slippery slope fallacy is indeed a fallacy, as I pointed out in the sentences following what you are referencing.

    Then why does it often turn into fact?

  • They don't believe in personal liberties. Also isn't it funny how they speak of entire groups of people as "subhuman", "the enemy within", etc, and then they try to virtue signal and claim they value life too much to allow an individual to make the decision to tap out

  • Right wingers will talk about liberties but actally don't give a shit about bodily autonomy. Any libertarians still fooling themselves the rest of the conservosphere listens to them don't coun't, they do not affect the movement at all.

  • No idea. I lean right for sure but opposing this over some religious angle or whatever is incredibly stupid. "God decides" doesn’t work since god isn’t the one sitting there rotting away with terminal cancer or whatever other horrible disease the patient has. It’s a personal decision amongst the patient and their family. Period.

  • There's a fear that it will be used to murder people who lack the capacity to make that decision. There's also a slippery slope argument where the state will have an influence on how long it will keep the terminally ill alive.

  • How will the drug companies, who make money by prolonging life no matter how miserable that life is, make up for the lost income?

    Asking only because that's how the right thinks and acts.

    Assisted death can also make money, particularly when a hospital is having to care for someone who doesn't have the means to pay them back.

    Alternatively. Someone might have a low quality of life and be ready to die, but discouraged from doing so because their bank account isn't empty yet.

    Correct. It's not about "sanctity of life" is about a Capitalist Jesus agenda and Jesus is a Capitalist that must drain every dollar out of you before you croak.  You and your family must suffer as much as possible for the glory of godd in your final days.  If godd don't want you to suffer they would kill you quicker.  Glory to godd.

    The other thing they won't say out loud is that if it's legal for you to end your life sooner, then they believe in Capitalism before godd and poor people that can't afford massive debt should be forced to end life early when they run out of money for their treatments.  There's no moral "gray" areas with these people.  Their entire world view is completely fucked up.  You either have to die as long as possible for godd's Capitalist will, or you have to die as cheaply as possible for capitalists to efficiently run society.  There's no empathy or compassion or middle ground in their religion of capitalism. 

  • Unless Im reading the voting record wrong, it looks like it passed the Illinois general assembly pretty easily, from both parties. So Im skeptical on “a lot of push back from the right”.

  • Only our masters get to decide who lives and who dies. If people start deciding for themselves whether they will live or die that is taking power away from the masters. No one takes power away from the masters.

  • Religious people are against suicide. Period. For others, it is very progressive to be okay with individuals seeking death, it is human nature to be anti suicide even if for a deadly and painful illness or sickness. 

    So if you're a conservative, you probably believe people shouldn't give up on fighting. It also feels dystopian to supply it, so it is an uncomfortable topic for them. 

    It also isn't just conservatives. You have people out there uncomfortable with the idea because it doesn't incentives medicine and therapy to expand since all would be target demographics are possibly gone. It is scary normalizing this idea that you just kill yourself and done. 

  • It’s because that opens up the door for coercion, euthanizing people that can’t give informed consent, suggesting it instead of actual treatment or palliative care to cut down on costs, and expanding it to depressed people. And that we should focus on making those who are terminally ill and suffering as comfortable as possible before they die. Yes it often does have to do with religion.

    Before you come after me about the death penalty, no I do not support it at all. I strongly oppose it because it’s also taking the life of another human being

  • We are all subjects of the ideas we were sold as children. Some of us were sold the idea that preserving life at all costs (including taking life (think abortion clinic violence)) is the value to believe in at all costs....there was something of a nobility..but then like all things.. it got hijacked into something else. Now it's a rallying cry of the elites to ensure a cheap labor force.

  • For all their talk against "big government", and for personal freedom, the right actually demands state control over people's bodies, especially women's bodies. They demand that no one be allowed a free choice on when to end one's life, or to end an unwanted and undesirable pregnancy. They want control of people's sex lives and control over who is allowed to marry.

    Right wingers are far from honest advocates of freedom. The only freedom they really want to exist is their personal freedom to dictate what others are allowed to do.

    Hypocrites, all of them.

  • Christians are against suicide for the most part, me personally I’m not against laws like this.

  • Easy answer. The right are against it because the left supports it…. Hard answer. The right gets large financial contributions from some PACS, where the money originates from the large wealthy Evangelical organizations.. and (incorrectly) some Christians believe suicide is an unforgivable sin. Complicated answer. The truth is all (left and right) our elected representatives only help the largest wealthiest contributors. You don’t donate millions then you don’t count! Until it’s election time.. then we fill your ears and souls with the propaganda needed to win your vote!

  • GOP doesn’t support individual rights anymore. They support their own rights. 

    They think the only right to die is at the hands of the state. Monsters. 

  • You know who also had assisted suicide? Ill give you a guess, and let's just say Steven Spielberg wouldn't be very popular there

  • Personally I'm left on most issues and this one issue is not going to change my vote on election day (well I don't live in Illinois, but even if I did I'd still vote for Democrats).

    But I disagree with euthanasia. Here's why:

    Meaning comes from the ability to exercise agency or autonomy. As Kant noted death takes that away, which is why Kant said that ending one's own life is not morally permissible.

    Even if you believe in an afterlife it takes away agency and autonomy from within this life.

    So limiting autonomy by banning euthanasia helps protect autonomy on the whole.

    People will bring up terminal illness, but there's always that small chance that the doctors were wrong or the model suggesting the patient has no chance just turns out to be wrong that time, even if the facts would normally point to terminal illness. There was one person, just one person who ever survived rabies. The procedure that saved them never worked on another person. What if they had written a living will and euthanasia on those grounds had been allowed then they would have died when they could have lived.

    Or some new experimental treatment works. Take diabetes for example. In the 1920s sick often unconscious children expected to die soon perked back up after being given insulin, and many lived to adulthood. What if euthanasia had been legal back then and like it is in some places parents were allowed to consent on behalf of their unconscious children? Many of those children who were saved would have died.

    Now they're finding a potential gene therapy cure for Huntington's Disease, though this is still being developed. How many people with that disease died in places that permit euthanasia who could have been saved? How many still are who could live, be cured, and live a happy life after that?

    Furthermore euthanasia takes away an opportunity to save others as even if a treatment doesn't save you it could still provide important data that saves other people's lives. If you stay alive you can seek new experimental treatments. I'm not saying you or your caregiver should feel any pressure to try any of them. And caregivers should make these decisions thinking of what is best for the person under their care. But if you euthanize then that opportunity isn't there, not to save the patient or to save other patients.

    Adding to these points legal euthanasia risks putting pressure on terminally ill people, the elderly, and the disabled to pursue euthanasia. It risks normalizing this and turning into a slippery slope that leads to this becoming mandatory or to care being denied with people being strongly encouraged to pursue euthanasia. In fact this has already happened.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada:

    "The intensity and breadth of Canada's MAID program has led to condemnation of its program by UN human rights experts and disability rights groups in Canada."

    And the issue of euthanasia speaks to a larger more philosophical one. Too many people are acting like the meaning of life is to avoid suffering. That doesn't work. If you make everything about avoiding suffering that's not the basis of a stable society or a flourishing humanity. Humanity flourishes when humanity exercises agency both at the level of the individual and at collective levels. We would not be here if our ancestors prioritized just avoiding suffering over all else.

  • GOP is not the party of personal liberties. See: abortion, lgbtq, palantir, divorce, birth control, etc.

  • Because insurance and pharma companies have a stronger hold on republicans and a dead person doesn’t accrue or pay medical bills.

    1. There is the whole bit about how life is sacred and an innocent life is only God’s to take. (And other similar religious rationales).

    2. There is also a fear that doctor assisted suicides are inherently risky because of issues of occasional inability to fully have informed consent. I think there were some issues with Canada’s system which were probably exaggerated and written without context, but which made many people, including non-conservatives, kinda hesitant about the idea

  • Because Pritzker supports it. They hate it because a Democrat did it. That's it. Republicans have demonized Democrats and Liberals to the point where anything they do is considered pure evil by the Republican voters. If a Republican came up with this, they would support it.

  • The answer is simple. The right automatically opposes anything the left supports. They need culture war outrage to keep the base involved. That's why the right looks so foolish on issues like vaccines or fonts.

  • The right has watched similar programs in other places slowly turn into "you're encouraged to kill yourself" programs. Anyone sufficiently burdensome on the state becomes an excellent candidate for it. Canada's MAID program is the prime example.

    The right has watched similar programs in other places slowly turn into "you're encouraged to kill yourself" programs.

    You'll need to point to some actual examples. Your only presented evidence - Canada's MAID program - is a boogeyman fantasy that disproves your claims. Do you have any others?

    Also, even if this claim was true - why would that be a problem for conservatives? They are all for killing their targets.

    Anyone sufficiently burdensome on the state becomes an excellent candidate for it.

    Exactly. Like how Dr. Oz has adopted flat-out Nazi rhetoric to condemn "useless eaters," advocating for withholding government medical assistance for the disabled and RFK Jr. has advocated for putting those he deems mentally unfit into "wellness camps."

    That's the conservative agenda, sneering at human dignity and encouraging suffering and death, that you're talking about, right?

  • "Life is Sacred" is a key to the Religious Right. This is why they are opposed to Abortion despite Abortion being a highly personal medical procedure that you would expect conservatives to shy away from involving themselves with. To them the unborn fetus's Right to Life exceeds the Mother's Right to Personal Privacy and Medical Treatment. Likewise, they believe that an individual's Life is Sacred, and even an individual does not have the Right to take their own life and end it. Their life is so sacred it exceedes their Right to choose what to make of that life.

    In their conception God, the creators of all things and to whom all praise and worship is rightful directed, has ordained that no one shall commit murder-- whether that is of another person, of an unborn fetus, or themselves. Life was created by the almighty sacred God, the God that designed and made all people, so its not for Humans to destroy except for in extreme situations. A person dying of a disease is living out exactly what was planned for them by their Creator, and that while Death itself is not a bad thing the idea that Humans could preempt the Divine Plan by hastening death is repugnant to them. As a result you'll find Religious Conservatives will be almost in lock-step unison over the issue of Right to Death and Medically Assisted Suicide, but that they are almost entirely in-favor of Hospice and managed care which allows someone to die naturally and with dignity.

  • For the same reason they oppose abortion - using people for power only works if they are alive. They don't care about the baby's or people dieing, they care about keeping as much of the flock alive as possible. They are the worst of us.

  • Honest answer: most Christians are against suicide. It’s a cardinal sin in Catholicism. Most right-wingers are Christian, and assume their morals are correct, and thus want to impose them on everybody. Liberty doesn’t come into play when it’s a moral question, just like abortion.

    Unfortunately, most Redditors are too angry at the right wing to give a real answer to this question.

    Suicide isn’t a cardinal sin, it’s a mortal sin. We don’t really have “cardinal sins” but there are capital sins, which is another name for the seven deadly sins. Mortal sins are serious sins aren’t specifically capital sins

    The word cardinal is used to describe 4 of the 7 heavenly virtues: prudence, fortitude, justice, and temperance

    Cool. I don’t know the terminology in English, since I’m Polish. Thanks.

  • Two camps in the opposition to “right to die”. The first are the fake Christians who actually believe that everyone must be forced to live by their religious beliefs. The second is the massive corruption known as the “end of life industry”….some one posted that the goal is to wring every penny out of you before you die by extending the time it takes to die…that is the business model. Once again this is due to the equity investment industry which is currently destroying this country and should be completely and totally destroyed.

    What you want to look for is equity firms donating huge sums to block the bill - buying the right to grift the money out of you. Look at who in the legislature opposes the bill and cross check who they are taking donations from.

    “The end-of-life (hospice) industry is a highly profitable, multi-billion dollar sector, especially for for-profit providers, driven by Medicare's fixed per-diem payments that incentivize expanding patient numbers (census) and cutting costs, leading to high profit margins (20%+ for some for-profits vs. 5-6% for non-profits). This profitability has attracted significant private equity investment, raising concerns about potential exploitation, reduced patient care (fewer RN visits, more discharges), and tactics like recruiting ineligible patients to maximize returns, making it a lucrative but controversial area of healthcare.

    Key Profit Drivers & Industry Dynamics- Medicare pays a set daily rate per patient, so more patients (census) and lower service costs mean higher profits.

    • For-profit equity investors now dominate, owning over 75% of US hospices, compared to 30% in 2000

    • Strategies include reducing higher-paid staff (like RNs) and increasing patient turnover (discharges) to manage costs and boost revenue.

    • Longer, stable stays are more profitable; some data suggests for-profits favor longer stays or may find ways to extend them.