Body: I saw the thread yesterday by u/Critical_Tangelo8111 complaining about how "toxic" the Heart & Soul Discord is. They claimed they were banned instantly just for asking a simple question about cheats, and the comments were immediately filled with people grabbing pitchforks and calling the community a "cult".
To be honest, the story felt off. We see this type of "rage-bait" constantly: someone claims they were a perfect angel who got banned for "no reason," and the sub blindly believes them without seeing the other side.
I decided to actually join the Discord, check the public logs, and ask about these specific incidents. It turns out the narrative being spun here is heavily exaggerated and leaves out the parts where the users were actually the problem.
The user who "just wanted a straight answer" In the comments of that thread, a user named Nonlifeperson claimed they were banned simply for "asking for a straight answer when someone gave me a riddle."
If you look at the actual log, that is not what happened:
- They weren't banned for the question. They were put in a 24-hour timeout (not a ban) for violating Rule 2 (respect) and being difficult while people were actively trying to help them.
- The ban only happened because they immediately started arguing and pinging staff after the timeout was issued.
They came to this sub, omitted the part about the timeout and the arguing, and presented themselves as a victim of "toxic mods" to farm sympathy.
The OP, Critical_Tangelo8111, claimed they were banned solely for asking if cheat codes exist. I searched for this and saw the Admin address it directly.
The mods explicitly stated that asking about cheats is not a bannable offense and that the situation was "more complicated" than the OP let on.
Why this matters Look, I know Discord mods can be annoying. We've all seen power trips. But it is genuinely damaging to the community when people come here and slander developers/mods with half-truths just because they're mad they got caught breaking rules or acting entitled.
When we blindly upvote this stuff without asking for proof, we're just encouraging drama and driving developers away. If you're going to accuse a community of being "incredibly toxic," you should probably be honest about your own behavior first.
Can we stop taking these "I was banned for no reason" posts at face value?
99% of the “The devs are mean to me!” posts on this sub are made by immature children throwing a fit they were rightfully banned or told off. This community is so embarrassing. Not anywhere else but reddit. Such a gross, entitled community this sub has cultivated.
I have personally dug through previous posts of these situations as well and it’s the same situation every single time. Straight embarrassing behavior, act like a child then cry wolf on reddit.
If anyone wants to see I’ll post my favorite examples.
Discord and twitter drama posts should straight up not be allowed here.
It shouldn't be up to us to side with anyone, ask/wait for proof, hear both sides or make a case. This subreddit is to post Pokemon Romhacks, not to talk about the latest drama and pass judgement.
Agree I think we should add a rule if there isn’t one banning litigation of beef from other forums/discord. I don’t think it ever helps resolve the situation. If anything it just makes it worse
Please share with the class.
This one is just an all time hall of famer
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YOU'RE STUPID >:(
git gud
AAAAAAA MOMMY
basically
This didnt happen the way I read it. The guy said the ability was stupid, then got personally insulted, after which it escalated.
That image does not at all come across well for the dev IMO. They literally escalated the situation and then they were surprised escalation kept happening?
You’re reading it backwards. Look at the timestamps. The escalation happened before the dev response, kind of on me for putting them in that order. The dude was crashing out all morning and insulting them for a while.
The guy deleted his comment but it was gold man. “I never said anything mean and they were so rude and disrespectful, all I did was ask a question”. It was too good.
Getting mad that you have to solve a puzzle in a game is infantile
Damn, Masuda was right. Some kids have been ruined by mobile games and can't handle anything moderately complex.
All he had to do was WALK lmao im genuinely in awe of this person
Help, wait, THAT'S what the solution to the puzzle he crashed out over was? Hold on, this triggered a memory of a Foxtrot comic I read 20 years ago. Thankfully I have kept the collection book with me in all the moves since to perfectly preserve the memories of my childhood. And the mysterious stains of my childhood.
Okay, I found it in ten minutes but no time has passed for you so don't worry about that.
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OOP is such a basic bad gamer kid we've been making jokes about him for decades.
This is way too fitting lmao. I still cant believe bro was like "its too hard for me to walk through hallways, this is YOUR FAULT DEVS"
People getting rightfully banned only to then go play the victim somewhere else is an all time classic of the internet
Often literal children. The amount of kids who come around these communities is rather high. Moderators aren't here to be babysitters. If kids want to participate, they'll need to learn how to communicate in a respectful manner.
I have never, ever seen a case like this where a mod was abusing their power. It's always a justified ban.
Oh look more player entitlement in the Pokemon ROM hacking scene I am absolutely shocked and appalled that this could happen for the 500th time
Oh hey look, it's a repeat of Pisces.
I don't know why this community is so willing to be distrustful of developers - the ones who are spending years of their lives making passion projects for you to enjoy, as well as having public personas - while being fully trusting of random people with no receipts and all the incentive to twist the truth.
May I please call on the moderators to require receipts on all of these "Devs are evil" posts?
I can prove Celia is evil, she called me, the player, "Dumbass" multiple times in her romhack :)
LMAO I got downvoted to oblivion on that post and I was completely right.
EDIT: to add to this, I've noticed this has become somewhat of a pattern. People are rude in discord servers, then go to Reddit providing no screenshots of said interactions claiming they got unfairly banned and the community is toxic. I was jumping to conclusions so I'm not surprised I got downvoted, even if I tried to word it nicely and not directly accuse OP, but I'm not surprised at all it turned out like this. What has actually turned extremely toxic is the players. Seriously I've heard more legit stories about entitled players harassing others and driving even developers away than any legit story about innocent new romhack players being driven away by evil toxic moderation.
I've noticed this a lot more on Reddit, too. People post in a sub and when they don't get the reaction they want and mods step in, they jump to another sub crying that they're being bullied. It's really bizarre.
I actually witnessed this first hand a few days ago.
A guy in one sub was celebrating Gainax closing because he believed Evangelion was pro-pedophilia and got hammered hard for that.
Anyway, a few days later I was scrolling through the main Pokémon sub, and guess who popped up? He shifted his story around though, saying that he was simply trying to defend children and that gross anime fans attacked him for no reason (Even though it wasn't on an anime sub, it was on media news sub). He didn't have fun when I brought receipts.
Because they are pathetic people that crave attention. It's the new generation of attention seeking because when we take a step back, it's stupid drama in a niche area about Pokemon hacks. How lame is it to cause drama here? lol
I mod a Minecraft server, and the amount of people posting on Reddit because we banned them for breaking our rules is honestly insane for how small our server is. Like, one time we banned a group of players because they were poaching users from our server for their own, and after they were banned they and their buddies who didn't get banned turned it into a huge fiasco about "being able to play with their friends" and "freedom of association".
Like these people were literally doxxing the server owner and one of our mods. Reports were made to the police. And yet somehow they thought they were the reasonable ones who "got banned for no reason"
Entitled douchebags will never think they aren’t right
I guess the type of person to chuck a fit and be rude in a discord server are more likely to be the type of person to chuck a fit and complain about being banned in bad faith.
Personally I can't imagine blowing up at any dev, let alone a rom hack dev. Its unthinkable for someone to crash out like that over something a dev made for free and with their full heart (and soul). Put yourself in the shoes of a dev who gets treated this way and it literally makes no sense that you made something and shared it for free and still face this much drama 😅
unsurprising! always take someone's "I was banned from (Discord server) for no reason/a stupid reason/etc" with a very large grain of salt. people are almost never honest about why they were banned
Not the same franchise, but you'd see this in the Among Us subreddit all the time with people claiming their account was banned "for no reason"
But given the state of public lobbies (which is why I've pretty much stopped playing), it's usually pretty obvious why they got banned, and they almost certainly know themselves, but they won't say why. Because if they do, no one will help them
Any story I read where one person was wronged I automatically assume the story being told is heavily biased.
You see it all over, casually even, think how many times you read a post that mentions somebody's Ex and the Ex is painted in a bad light.
Discord is not the place for support anyway, for the user the experience is searching in an infinite chat log, for the devs it's answering the same basic question ad nauseam. Ad to that the fact that discord is not searchable by google nor something you can find easily and you got the worse place you can put information in, and every single thing there would be better anywhere else
And yet the cycle will continue as more and more is tucked away into Discord. I get it having a communal place to chat about XYZ specific romhack/hobby is great, but it also just leads to so many tech support issues it just doesn't seem sustainable on that front (for the larger romhacks anyway)
Or your question gets buried because some other ongoing topic is going on, and if you wait a minute and repost the question you get told to stop spamming the chat by automod...
But yeah, discord is a rough place to try and get help with if it's the channel is too popular.
i genuinely wasn't sure about who's side to be on in the original post, but yeah this confirms it. people just want the clout nowadays, it's pretty damn irritating
(edit: wtf am i getting downvoted for???)
There’s still no proof from either side though? Without the messages how can any conclusion be made
the discord server has the logs to prove their point though...
The post screenshot shows a ban log message which is not exactly proof of anything? Does the server have all of the original messages? I’m not in any servers, all I can see (and what most people see) is what’s posted on Reddit…
A contemporary ban log listing exactly why the user was banned is far more proof than a random reddit post with literally nothing lol. This post has way more evidence than the original one
This isn’t evidence, if the original post is true then this would support it…
The average person on this sub has no reading comprehension and doesn’t understand bias
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This is not what I said at all and you coming to this conclusion from my words supports my point…
When someone is banned their messages are wiped from the server. What is clear to see though is that the people in there are genuinely pretty nice from me joining and trying to search. I see them constantly answering questions that get asked frequently or are answered in the FAQ and are pretty respectful.
Could you people just take your drama elsewhere? I do not care if X group was mean to you or if X individual is lying. This is a Romhack sub reddit, where we discuss the making of X game or assist others. People want to treat this like their personal safe space, and it's so freaking annoying
Anyone who says "I was banned just for..." (and by extension, "I was down-voted to hell just for saying...") is usually downplaying the severity of what they actually said and did. I've said some spicy things at times and I've never been more than timed-out. It's pretty difficult for reasonable people to get banned from reasonable spaces.
The problem with romhack servers it's the mod team and admins get truly tested with the serious amount of kids and teens breaking balls in a daily basis, trying to impose what they want as features, releasing tantrums, spamming and more precisely asking questions that are already answered in a FAQ channel or pinned. But people ignore that and make the same questions again and again, not even relying in search first to check if someone asked the same thing before (and probably someone did). Obviously this tend to end in a short fuse and moderating things more drastically.
Also some devs are just awful, but on my side except a few exceptions in most Genwunner hack servers I'm lurking people are the nicest fellas you are gonna find around.
I'm not trying to excuse such behaviour, but I understand how there is limit point to deal with people who lack attention spam plus don't give a rat ass about basic community rules or reading. Also asking for cheat codes it's something that happens twice per week, plus some don't take pretty well after working their asses hard into a hack, giving indications that they don't want to play the game as it was intended. Personally I think that asking for rare candies and stuff is pure laziness (quick dopamine boost), but I'm not the one to judge or tell how people must play games. Also in a lot of hacks due to modifications cheat codes can mess up your save data, so you must come with new codes that devs don't support at all.
I just wanted to talk about the other side of the coin based on my personal experience for years. At the end everything lead to "everyone must start behaving way better on Internet but me" thing.
When this hack launched, I asked a question about something that was not included in the provided documentation, the devs were actually on the server at the time. They shrugged off my question, mocked me, and kept referring me to the documentation. I mentioned the only reason I was there was to say it wasn't in the doc. Got banned.
this is the post i was banned for. at least i assume, because its the only thing i posted about and wasn't given any reason or warning
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This is what I experienced in my time in HnS, harsh punishment and attitude with no attempt at actually moderating properly, just deleting shit and removing ppl for basic stuff like this.
Apologies for the lack of clarity for the ban. My understanding is that you may have unknowingly broke the piracy rule by referencing having "downloaded" a ROM (this may also have been a different person, I'm messaging offhand and can come back after checking logs if you want). This is the one rule we're unfortunately pressed to be very unforgiving about, as being too lax about piracy puts the server - and by extension the hack - at legal risk of being taken down.
From this message there is absolutely no reference of downloading. What are you talking about? Is there another message from them that we’re missing? If not, it’s objectively a false ban and the user should be unbanned. They didn’t mention that those told were downloaded off the internet, no?
Definitely come back with the logs. If it was for this message, that’s really really silly.
Additional context here. https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/s/Pz2vgVe6bW
A decent response, and I like how you highlighted the reasoning to the best of your ability. Ofc it wasn’t your choice what happened so you did good trying to explain it on another moderator’s behalf. I still think it was pretty silly overall. In the future, I think it’d be better to be slightly less triggerhappy on these kind of instances. A permaban isn’t the solution for something that can be fixed with a conversation. Stuff like that can ruin someone’s perception of not only the server, but the game by extension.
well, i didn't use the term "downloaded"
Are you sure it wasn't for misusing the gamebreaking bug reports channel for a personal issue of not being able to get the romhack to run? Because that sounds like a much better reason to me.
Admittedly that is an absurd reason for a ban lol
take it up with Discord/Nintendo; if somebody were to report the server, it very well could be taken down if found to be supporting piracy at all
Every ROM hack server on planet earth has had discussions on this level. Not a single thing he said would put the server at risk legally speaking.
The dude didn’t say he downloaded the ROMs off the internet and said he used the patcher. Too heavy handed. There was nothing to even ban him for, he never said he “downloaded” the ROM’s. Could have flashed them himself.
Not even a warning for that is crazy.
And someone could be petty (and let's be honest, Pokemon fans can be extremely petty) and report those servers and get it shut down. Discord has shut down servers for less, it's a good reason why Discord should not be used for archive purposes, nor should it be the only place for hacks.
I don't blame devs for not even letting people hint at piracy support, especially with how quick Nintendo is to fuck over fans.
Get them shut down for what? What in his message violates discords or Nintendo’s ToS? He never said he pirated the ROM’s.
He was so polite, even if you want to be overly paranoid you can wipe his messages and warn him. Nothing he did deserves a ban or would put the server at risk.
I was speaking in general, not for this dude's specific ban.
For that dude, only thing I can assume is the way they mentioned "two ROMs labelled (U)". They wouldn't be labelled like that unless they downloaded it them.
That's the only possibility I can see at least xD
After reviewing logs, this is exactly the case. We are not confident that this (arguably ambiguous) allusion to piracy would be flagged as such or not in the admittedly unlikely but potentially high-consequence case of the server being audited. I, personally, would like to say this ban was uncalled for, but up until now the moderators have been erring on the side of caution with piracy, perhaps moreso than warranted, as we're working with incomplete information on the legal side of things. Any advice from more experienced devs and moderators is extremely welcome in this regard.
I brought the possibility of instances like this up a few days ago - unaware this had occurred at that time - and as a result we are attempting to be more proactive about warning people where the piracy lines lie for the HnS server, and trying to steer people away from it before jumping straight to bans. As others have said, odis was extremely polite and well-intentioned in their conduct, and from a kindness standpoint absolutely deserved a better explanation, if not more grace to amend the issue.
If we come to the conclusion that we are comfortable with the level of risk associated with this case or others like it, I would want to welcome odis and others back to the server given audit of bans. However, I understand if this is a "can't put the toothpaste back in the tube" situation.
A rom labelled (U) just means it's the US release. This is a massive reach. If you're being that paranoid idk what to say. You're never going to be 100% in the clear legally. But you have to draw a line somewhere sane.
Not even just warn him, could of just deleted the message and dm’d him or pulled him into a VC
I'm sorry but pulling a stranger into a discord VC to tell them they broke a rule is probably one of the worst ideas I've ever heard 😭
Who said about telling them they broke a rule? I clearly meant helping the individual in the VC if they were afraid of someone being petty and reporting the discord server. I thought that was implied? Why delete a message and DM or have him join a VC to explain he broke a rule? They could have just helped him behind the scenes.
I deleted my Discord account months ago, and while doing so has led to a few inconveniences here and there... I only did it because I refuse to go along with that face ID crap, but... Honestly, the more I learn about them after the fact, the happier I am about that decision.
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Uh...that's why I said I'm don't blame dev's for going hard against it?
Did you reply to the wrong comment? xD
I did, im so sorry lmao
You good, was just confused for a sec lol
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Wild that you're getting downvoted for such a tame (and reasonable) statement. That's Reddit, I guess.
He gets downvoted for spitting facts, but then the comment defending him gets upvoted. Literally classic Reddit 🥴
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Which hack?
Exactly. Nowhere was it stated that they pirated anything 🤣
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Idk if this is why you'd be banned. But I'd probably ban you if you posted this in my bug reports channel because it's not a game breaking bug with the hack it's an issue with Twilight Menu and people who constantly post about these twilight menu/gba runner issues are wasting devs time. It's easier to just ban someone if they misuse the gamebreaking bug report channel whether intentional or not. You don't understand how many bullshit bug reports we have to sift through. A personal emulation issue is not for the #gamebreaking-bug-report channel.
We get loads of emulation-related bugs reported in our server (usually the same bug from people using BIOS) but any perma-ban without warning is unreasonable imo unless it's a spam account. Yeah I'm tired of answering the same questions but they're not doing anything wrong other than not reading the FAQ, so I still quickly answer or refer them to that channel
I know our server (2000 members) is probably tiny compared to The Pit server, but I'd rather delete the messages than permaban unless it's too much to keep on top of
If they used the appropriate help chats sure, but they posted in a gamebreaking bug channel just because they couldn't get a romhack working. Those channels are separate for a reason so that important bugs can actually be tracked.
I have a lot of patience for people figuring out getting romhacks to run, we have helped countless 3DS users get The Pit running. But the moment you misuse the bug reports channel because you can't figure something out my patience is 0, it's easier to just get rid of people like that.
Fair. I get the frustration as u literally become tech support, so having these false alarms in the "gamebreaking" channel would certainly count as it being abused imo. Just cos it personally froze on them doesn't mean it's actually in the game cos it isn't
FWIW, their FAQ didn't have any information pertaining to my issue. they say that the game runs on "real hardware", which i assumed includes the 3ds. now learning that gba games via twilight menu are emulated
Fairs. Idk much about 3DS emulation but from what I've been told, different 3DS mods seem to work with different hacks (e.g. I've heard Twilight Menu isn't compatible with CFRU hacks as it miscolours outdoor tilesets)
"Real hardware" to me means BIOS-compatible so it'll work on a literal GBA/DS via cartridge. Emulation handhelds (including 3DS) are another layer on top of that again - our hack has had a few non-existent bugs occur on handhelds/3DS for example
3DS has a GBA chip on it and runs GBA games natively. It's just people using random third party software that isn't supported that is the problem.
Holy shit thats so aggressive. Just simply put the reasoning why this isnt applicable as a bug and move on. Not everyone is going to know the root cause of it and posting it there is a start if its only happening with that specific rom hack. Banning over something like this is just insanity. Remind me not to join your discord any time soon.
"insanity", mate its a discord for a romhack, getting kicked out of it for wasting developers time misusing bug reports is not that big of a deal. if you think blocking someone for misusing bug reports is crazy and don't want to join my discord because of it I will be okay
No ones time is being wasted bro you signed up for this. Can you look at his picture and explain to me how this would be considered misusing when its happening with a specific rom itself? Bro even apologized if it was something that could easily be fixed as well. Like if he came in guns blazing and insulting the devs off rip then sure ban him but that above is nothing to ban for. Literally just type "Issue with Twlight Menu, not rom related." and move on. Not only that but you help the next person who might be having issues, assuming they know how to use the search. Which believe it or not, we exist lol.
Because its objectively an issue with a random third party software they're using for no reason when the 3DS has a native GBA chip on it and can run GBA games fine on its own. If you came into my Discord and posted "can't get it to run on my smart fridge" in my "gamebreaking bugs" channel I'm going to remove you too. This is no different than that. The game works on GBA hardware and mGBA that is what it is supported on and thats what the developers stated was supported. Using unsupported methods of playing the hack and then reporting bugs because of it is one of the single most annoying things that romhack players do, you can ask any romhack developer using the decomps or sufficiently advanced binary hacking.
Not being able to get a hack running with some random third party software is not a gamebreaking bug.
Do you really expect the average person to know all that at the root though? A lot just download what they see and play. They probably never had issues with Twilight like they would with a rom like that and so they go to the roms discord to ask for further help and to see what the bug is. As I said, all you need to do is simply put "Its an issue with Twilight Menu, not the rom" and they will now know where to go for sure along with others that will no doubt have similar issues later on. Banning them for asking something in a way that wasn't hostile AT ALL and was even apologizing over it is fucking insane.
My guy you need to chill. Getting banned from a discord for a 20 year old childrens video game mod is not that serious. Even if I banned someone because I didn't like their pfp it wouldn't be "fucking insane" it would just be "kind of dumb" at worst. We really need to stop raising the temperature of the rhetoric around this stuff. Its not some first amendment violation. Its a discord for a mod of a childrens game made 20 years ago. You can still play the hack no ones taking it from you.
And whether or not you think its reasonable that someone would know something is a gamebreaking bug or not doesn't really matter. Spamming "I can't get this to run" posts in development bug report channels is a big annoyance on our end. Its not just one person. Its constant. There are help channels for a reason, immediately going to report a bug just because you couldn't get something to run is more "insane" than banning someone for misusing a bug report channel in a mod discord. If everyone else is able to play the hack fine, why would you assume thats a gamebreaking bug with the hack? Even having an answer to that doesn't really matter though, because its a problem of numbers. With the over prevalence of people using shitty emulators like MyBoy this is a constant problem. I don't think its that insane to start just yeeting the people who can't be bothered to use the help channel first before reporting a bug after doing no research (because if you had you'd know its just a problem with TM or gbarunner). It is a waste of my attention as a moderator and a developer. Those channels are for reporting serious bugs not just for "I can't get this to work".
Its not like a ban anyone who reports a bug that turns out not to be a bug, like people reporting their 100acc move missed forgetting about random enemy items, but when it comes to filing bug reports because you can't figure out how to run a romhack? Thats on a different level of annoying. To be clear, I don't think I've banned anyone for that before, most people just ask in the help channel first instead of reporting a "gamebreaking bug".
mate for someone supposedly inundated with spurious bug reports you have a lot of time to write essays here. these are the channels. point me to the appropriate one
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This is a tired argument and you know its not valid.
#heart-and-soul-discussion is the channel where people ask questions on the hack and get help. You don't post in #gamebreaking-bug-report just because you can't get a hack to run. Its really not that complicated.
You can ban people for whatever reason, just as I would call you insane for the reason given. You can choose to acknowledge or ignore, regardless its going to be the opinion of many which might not look like a good look for you when it comes to developing and wanting to test out your rom hack "What if he bans me because I said something he deems stupid?"
You think this guy was spamming? What if it was one time? I work IT as well and get asked questions that makes me think im the one being tested for my mental but I wouldnt out right call for them to be fired either over it unless they were being insanely disrespectful.
The vast majority are pretty basic when it comes to roms, they just download and play. If they run into a bug its understandable to come to the discord tied to the rom first to check whats up before moving on to others. Like I get if one person was constantly spamming it and being annoying, but look at the OPs picture and tell me, why would this be bannable when he showed a picture, gave an issue, and was being nice and apologizing over it? Please tell me what would prompt you to just ban him instantly rather then being nice and showing him what the real root issue is and directing him to get help rather then leaving him to hang dry and making him upset that hes going to have a harder time finding a way to play a hack you made that hes interested in.
I mean in my case its an explicit rule not to post that you can't get the hack to run in the bug reports channel. That's what the help chats are for. I don't check the help chats often, other players help new people get started as is normal in romhack discords above a certain member count, there are too many questions and I'm busy working on hacks. I check the bug reports channel and don't want it cluttered with all the bullshit. I don't think its crazy if I make the rules for the bug reports clear and you can't be bothered to read before posting there.
Similarly I tell people if they use MyBoy and post bug reports they will be removed. Its just a waste of my time. As is this conversation at this point, I'm clearly not going to change your mind. I'm not going to change mine, so I'm just going to stop responding because this is going in circles.
well let's hope you're never in charge of anything important
Romhacking takes enough effort for my time to be wasted by people misusing gamebreaking bug report channels because they can't figure out how to run a romhack.
When that post dropped, I had a feeling we weren't getting the full story. It's unfortunately easy to try to make yourself the victim when you got banned for a reason.
Yeah I really wanted to mention that we only had one side of all of this and shouldn't make immediate judgments, but I knew no one would be listening in that thread. This happens so much not just here but in other communities that it's the first thing I think of, like all the Payday 2 threads made about their unjustified ban, only to find out they were straight up hacking.
Lmao imagine caring about discord servers for pokemon rom hacks banning people.
For real though. Log off and catch Pokemon in the grass
I did not see the original post, but people should really be a little more skeptical when they hear a story like that.
Regardless of what anyone might believe about how toxic the internet generally is, publicly available Discord servers don't actually insta-ban people like that very often, especially for a publicly available project. A server just can't function like that. They tend to be used to people coming in and asking stuff that's already listed somewhere or is against the rules, because that's just how it goes.
Like honestly, when someone says "I did absolutely nothing wrong and got banned for no reason! Also I'm giving you no evidence!" what reason could you possibly have to believe them?
I've played WoW for 20 years and I can confidently say whenever someone makes a post saying they were banned for no reason, they always, without fail or exception, 100% of the time, are proven to have been banned for good reason.
The only time a rare unjustified ban happens and gets reversed always gets paired with actual screenshots of some kind showing the real reason they were banned and why they think the ban was in error. This has happened like 3-4 times in the past ten years. Someone will get banned for "account sharing" and they'll find out it was their VPN and the GMs will unban him after working a solution out.
But when someone pops out of nowhere, claims to be a victim and his only proof is "trust me bro"?
It seems people stay the same no matter what community they are in.
Nintendo is right about it's own fan base that's why they didn't nt care and do what they want
This is why I thank mods for doing their job, because its not a job I would want to do, much less someone trying to make reddit their personal army.
Either way if you can’t play without cheats… just play a different game.
Having been in a lot of discords with a small active population, and having been a lead mod on one of them with access to the ban/deleted messages logs, these people are never acting in good faith. I can think of several instances when someone went to the subreddit to complain they were banned for no reason, and the head mod posted an image from their mod logs that they had been grotesquely transphobic or racist.
As someone removed from the drama in subs like this, it’s wild to me that people can work really hard in their spare time for like a year+ creating a cool, free game for people and people STILL want to act shitty and entitled. It’s not even ass kissing to say we legit owe these people so much, just shut the fuck up and enjoy the games
Huge thanks for investigating this, because that post had made me nervous about getting more involved in the romhack community. I feel a bit gullible now.
The Heart and Soul discord is great. Cheating is obviously won't get you banned, but due to the nature of the game (complete overhaul) standard cheats don't work properly and corrupt the game, and they've made the decision to not support or create all types of cheats.
I was actually the person that brought it up initially and so they added the new rule :P
So the takeaway is; you can cheat, nobody cares. But they do care if you try to encourage risky unsupported stuff that could damage people's save files, or act entitled to the developer's time to make them work. In short, it's not part of their game philosophy. So while you can do whatever you want, they don't want it to be a topic of discussion. Simple really, and fair enough
I am going to be honest, I saw that post and thought it was really dumb and didn't click on it. Why would I care if some random discord mods were toxic or not? Why were you all upvoting it in the first place.
Not surprised by the results of your investigations at all. I had questions about the game and posted in the HnS 1.2 update thread on reddit, the devs always responded quickly or within hours. There is clearly a lot of care put into the game and they go out of their way to make sure the players have a good time.
I'm being so serious with you, join their discord and try that shit, you'll have a different experience
I'm not familiar with the post being talked about, but I have personal experience with the HnS discord and it is one of the most hostile servers I've ever been in, not even just in the pokemon community. People are nasty about basic questions. Not a good place.
please, do still wonder why people decide to have heavily moderated servers after this 🧐 its almost like people would run on reddit spreading rumors about the devs for no reasos
Pokemon fans are so entitled
Correction: Kids think they're entitled.
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I saw that thread and knew instantly that the OP was not telling the full truth. In fact, they never do. People always come online to cry they got falsely banned only to find out that they, indeed, deserved the ban and always hide the full picture.
ughhhhhhhh i dont CARE
Sorry. To be more erudite: many Pokemon players are children. Just Fuckin Ignore Them.
You didn't post any proof of what this random user said, you just posted screenshots of what the mods told you, which we know what side they're gonna have 😭 the people in these comments saying "yeah we should have waited for proof" are insane, this is proof of nothing 🥀
Can we stop with the drama? This a sub for fan made mods to a children's game.
Blame the people making posts slandering other communities, not people defending them.
This OP is trying to bring attention to a messed up practice. Your post is better suited to the thread OP was talking about.
People being immature dickheads? I am shocked.
I mean, it's only slander if it's provably false. Beg pardon, but I'm not going to take anyone at their word alone when it comes to something like this. Neither party has provided any real evidence so far.
For the record, if it was the original poster who was being a douche, then yeah, they can't really complain. But the way some of you are acting like that's the only reasonable explanation are being disingenuous yourselves.
Acting like devs can do no wrong because they're "making a free game" is just as ridiculous as being a douchebag and expecting not to get called out on it.
Neither should be acceptable behavior. And there are more than a few people around here who don't seem to grasp that.
Wild for you to say considering I’ve personally called you out for slandering devs and provided receipts where you were the aggressor. Practice what you preach bro.
Oh, the irony. You can lie all you want to about me, but that won't change what actually happened. Have a nice day.
yikes
Mind sharing what in my comment you disagree with? I'd be happy to have a discussion about my thoughts and your own.
ew no
What was even the point of your comment, then? Just to troll? ...Eh, I can respect that.
I chalk it down to youngers man.
The youth today are proper ungrateful and have zero manners (not all but a large amount).
These roms are FREE.
If it has cheats or doesnt, it is what it is..move on.
Far too many complaining about a FREE game.
If you were to tell me when I was a kid, when you get older you will have a catalogue of FREE games made by a community that better the vanilla game experience, i wouldnt have believed it.
It's human nature to act like this; and hoping it'll change is a lost cause.
Found Archeops' Reddit account.