Good morning r/Physics! I’m hoping you guys would be willing to help me out, or at least point me in the right direction of some resources.
I’m an artist and animator who is developing my own pilot episode for an animated series. The basic premise is as follows: A woman who works as an intern at a government black site accidentally opens a portal to another world and falls into it. When she wakes up after the fall, she finds herself in a high fantasy world filled with mystic creatures and actual magic - something she has potential in and must learn to harness if she ever wants to return home.
This is a rough overview of the opening to the story and main premise, just to give some context. The “government black site” is very similar to Black Mesa, if you’ve ever played Half Life. The main questions I have are regarding the main character, Della, herself, and what she would have studied in college.
I’m planning for Della to be a physics major who has a bachelor’s degree, and I don’t want this fact to be forgotten through the story. The plot never forgets she’s a scientist first, mage second, and her experimentation and methods with magic are what help her become a powerful mage though the first season of the show. (While I’m only producing a pilot right now, I want to pitch the show and have plotted out the entire first season of this story.)
I don’t need the show’s opening to be an air-tight representation of quantum physics, as opening a portal to another world is rooted entirely in fantasy. But some advice and thoughts and direction on recourses to read and familiarize myself with will help with writing a more authentic scenario and character.
Della, the main character, is a bit of an awkward autistic nerd and one of her first moments in this new world she’s found herself in include jokingly warning a tiger-like predator that she wouldn’t be worth the effort of eating because her thermal energy input wouldn’t be worth the output of cashing her down. Which is cringe and bad and I’m showing my hand that I am clearly not a physics bitch.
Despite myself not being a physics bitch, I am outing myself as a dumb bitch because I am determined to write a character that clearly knows physics and will happily explain equations and other “fun stuff” to her magical companions who will simply listen to her with a blank expression before telling her “we have a spell for that.”
I myself was an art student, and any sciences I took were all biology and physiology, so I’ve never taken a physics class in my life, especially a college level course. Writing what I know would be lovely, but I don’t think government blacksites often hire artists to work on super secret otherworldly experiments. (As much as that fucking sucks!)
Advice on how to integrate physics better into this scenario and character, and links to entry-level “physics for dummies “ reading is always appreciated. Thank you for your time!
a solid understanding of highschool level physics would probably go a long way. most of the population hasn't taken college level physics and doesn't remember most of it if they did. any highschool physics textbook would be a great place to start. you can probably find some older ones for dirt cheap online (it hasn't changed much).
and when specific things come up that do involve higher level physics, having that foundational understanding will give you the a big edge.
r/AskPhysics is a great place too
You’re so right, haha. Honestly anyone could babble at me with certain keywords and I would be 110% fooled and ready to believe it.
Fun stuff from a physics point of view would be to have her realize she did some wormhole space warp thing, but of course her not knowing exactly what happened or how. Maybe mention 'one of those Einstein-Rosen bridges you see in the movies'.
Maybe at first, have her check out what physics are actually working. In a bewildered state, knowing she just did a wormhole thing to some other place or other dimension, just do a basic set of observations. "Ok, I can walk around, push off the floor with my feet, the floor has an equal and opposite push on my feet, we have Newton. Gravity works, we have Einstein. I can see things, E&M works, we have Maxwell."
Later, when she sees magic, she can be astonished thinking about "you made something move, how is momentum conserved there, where did the change in momentum balance out" and if an object suddenly appears through magic "how is mass conserved, where did this mass come from" and of course "where is this energy coming from, how does it balance out".
As she explores the world, as you said, have her stick to the Scientific Method, have her experiment all the time, with every piece of magic. She makes guesses at how things work.
One fun thing might be that the magic can tap into the future and past, and use momentum from a future event, and that things do not conserve and balance instantly, but eventually will over time. You can build up an energy debt (or surplus to use later), a momentum debt (or surplus). Hell, that could be the goal of a protagonist in this realm, they are storing up energy and momentum to use at a future time for a big bad goal.
Most importantly, she doesn't have to figure everything out, especially not right away. Science is all about discovering new and unknown things, and answers are always easy not do they come right away. It takes years to understand something.
you can get a list of courses for an undergrad degree at basically any university website (here is MIT https://catalog.mit.edu/schools/science/physics/#subjectstext)
but in a nutshell, you take Newton's laws (kinematics, etc, rotational stuff, torques, statics, dynamics), classical mechanics (lagrangians, hamiltonians), E&M (lots of E&M, maxwell's equations), thermodynamics and statistical mechanics, quantum mechanics (but really, at a very introductory level for a bachelors - a full year but still basic), maybe solid state, I took an option for nuclear physics (prof was ancient, the text was a 35 year old book lmao).
I owe you my fucking life, holy shit. This is going to help with scripting so much. You are a real one.
A bachelor's degree isn't much. Most students with just a bachelor's degree don't really have strong fundamentals of experimental methodology (I know from experience). But they are on the way to getting there, and will usually learn (or fail) during their master's or PhD thesis work.
It is cringe and bad, and that behaviour gets beaten out of physics students very quickly usually. Don't confuse the behaviour you see on Big Bang Theory for how physicists actually are.
They also don't hire bachelor's degrees to do any scientific work, because those only know physics up to like 1930.
First off, the implication that I watch The Big Bang Theory hurts more than any other insult ever could. Well done.
And the character is interning while working towards her Master’s degree, and ends up caught in circumstances that are far beyond her skill level or expertise because of external (magical) factors, which contributes to the main conflict of Della always feeling very out of her league, always pretending she knows what’s going on, and general impostor syndrome feelings in her arc.
Thank you for your insight! I will keep these things in mind while scripting. I appreciate your time and comment :)
Well, I think probably nobody has imposter syndrome worse than a person with a MS in Physics. Spoken as a guy with an MS in Physics 🤣🤣🤣
Though my job title is “Physicist”I don’t actually do physics. My work is closer to Nuclear Engineering probably.
Good luck!
A lot of education is just learning stuff in one room then going into other rooms with people who know more than you, then going to another room with more intelligent people and just looping that until you get to "oh, I'm the least intelligent person here".
I wouldn’t focus on general physics. pick a thing and just make her a specialist in that field. You’ll get more complex sounding words, a more rigid “philosophy” or way of thinking to constantly fall back on , you only really need one thing to tie her to. “The portal pulled her through, stretching to an infinite timeline like light trapped in A black hole, it felt like an eternity, like time stopped, then suddenly there was a funny man with pointy hat”.
If this show has any money at all, this would be the kind of thing you hire a consultant for: an expert you can book periodically to bounce ideas off of, who can explain the way things would actually work. Then you can choose to incorporate those ideas or not, depending on what your story needs, and how realistic you want things to be.
I have $3 and some pocket lint, unfortunately. Thankfully I’ve animated before and can do this, albeit very slowly. Any budget is going to be for VAs and musical scoring, which will be after the entire script is finished (I am here), and then the entire storyboards. But that is good advice for moving forward - if this does become a larger project, that is very sound advice I would have never thought of! Thank you!
As someone with a physics degree who has worked for my government before, I could probably field some questions. You're welcome to DM me.
What a lovely offer 🥺💙 I will be sure to reach out if I have questions. Thank you!
Two words to integrate physics into the character, "exhaustion" and "masochism"
Ah, so the college student experience. 😂
Exactly
This sounds fun! I took a science fiction writing class in college that required us to apply real science concepts to the short story we wrote. Everyone was science majors so the concept part wasn't hard, but writing something creative and applying the science took some time.
Anyway, as someone else mentioned, a Bachelors would never be enough for this person to have developed the skills that require her to study this new magical word. I highly suggest she be in her PhD for biophysics or something along those lines. Lots of PhD students do internships at national labs which sounds like a place that could involve some crazy portal the government is keeping secret from us. The other thing I would say is when she goes through the portal, maybe there is some crazy immense pain from her atoms literally being sucked into the portal one by one. Maybe during her travel to the magical place, she feels what it means to be everything and nothing because atoms make up everything but without anything bonding them together, they're nothing, just atoms. Then when she gets to the magical place, she's left wondering wtf just happened and meets some friendly creature who has been studying other worldly dimensions and they become friends, learning from eachother and getting into BS bc the government there is trying to get Della and hide her from their world! Idk sounds cool and just spit balling.
Im a phd student in Materials Science, i play roller derby, queer, and love reading fantasy/science fiction. Idk but your character resonated with me in some way! I hope it works out and we get to read it some day once its completed :) best of luck.
Thank you for the kind words! 🥺 It warms my heart to know that this character and story is already resonating with people when it’s not even fully scripted yet, haha. It gives me hope that yes, this is an idea worth developing. Thankfully we are living in the golden era of Indie animation and I have enough animation experience, grit, and quite frankly, stupid levels of stubbornness to make this work.
I am rethinking the bachelor’s degree thing by potentially turning her into a PhD student, but I also worry about losing the whole “in situations far beyond her skill level” feeling, haha. My current draft has her essentially shadowing and interning at one of these facilities to earn credit and watch how operations are performed. The government has a vested interest in her, and is paying for her schooling, and their intentions arent exactly noble… And considering that in a moment of panic she manages to essentially cast Plane Shift on herself, their hunch wasn’t far off the money.
I can’t give more details about the story yet, as I’m not wanting to publicly discuss things that aren’t fully set in stone / still under heavy development, but I do hope to have a trailer ready to present before next summer. 👀
Also I’m obsessed with the idea of her atoms being torn apart and reassembled as she makes the “jump” into the other world. I’m going to mull it over and think about how I could implement it.
Thank you again for the comment and interest! I hope that what I can one day present to the world will be worthy of such attention, haha. 💙
Trust me when i say PhD students are constantly put in situations beyond their skill levels. PhD programs are more like training programs for scientists imo. I think many people misconstrue the idea that if you're ina phd, then you must be like really smart. While there are some fucken geniuses out there, most phd students are figuring it out as they go because theyre genuinely interested in the subject matter. The phd program is just designed to develop the skills to know how to ask question, apply the scientific method, and come up with a conclusion (and even sometimes that answer isn't even right).
Anyway, i look forward to the trailer! Again, best of luck creative bitch 🤪
I’ve been upgraded from dumb bitch to creative bitch, hell yeah 😭💙
You’re honestly probably so right. I ended up dropping out of college my junior year because I’m ✨really fucking stupid✨ (there were too many medical issues, and it was impacting my literal brain chemistry, rip) so I never really met many PhD students.
But as a 30 year old in finance… I’m starting to think that nobody actually knows what they’re doing? Which is something I’m hoping to convey via my art because, like most stories, it definitely tells on what the author is dealing with, oops. So I definitely can believe a PhD student is just as lost as the rest of us 😭💙
You could do worse than to look to the MCU for inspiration. A number of their characters are scientists or intellectuals who become magic users or superhumans: Stephen Strange, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark, Peter Parker, Norman Osborn, Otto Octavius, Reed Richards, Victor Von Doom.
Doctor Strange is actually one of my favorite movies, haha. Reading his comics and a young’n helped foster a love of visually storytelling and surrealist environments that the character steps into. :)
I think the fun way of doing this is having the character just test stuff and see what happens. This is how physicists actually work.
You've got a "mage". So they're gonna be casting fireball or something. Have them do a little tiny fireball. Then a slightly bigger fireball. Then a fire oval. Then a fire line. Then "well if that works, shouldn't this?" where they sort out everyone getting appropriate safety equipment and try making a massive fireball and it just doesn't work at all. Then they sit down for a while with a bit of paper and try to think about why that didn't work.
Then, when they finally need it they can do the really big fireball or make an otter out of magic fire or whatever.
They're a wizard, no-one gives a shit how accurate the physics actually is. Make them a physicist.
This is what research physics is like.
If you know anyone who has studied college level physics you could always ask them about specific questions, or even email a physics professor from your college.
Read up on the scientific method, should help you write how this character approaches trying to empirically determine the natural laws of this magical world. You probably don't need to go in depth on any specific, real science topics. But it could be compelling if you call out certain features of "real" physics that the character is looking for in magic. Spitballing some ideas: * Are there any quantities that are conserved (i.e. can't be created or destroyed) such as energy, momentum, mana? * Are there any rules for what magic does "on its own" i.e. inertia in chassical mechanics, heat traveling from high to low temperature in thermodynamics * Are there any new types of forces/fields? * Is magic quantized * Is there some way to convert between magic and other things, analogous to mass-energy equivalence (e=mc2)
Could be fun if she specializes in a very unpopular subfield that is very unlikely to be directly useful in her adventures, so (a) it is a beat that at some point she gets super excited she gets to finally use some of her specialty, and (b) it is plausible she would need to talk things over with herself to get things straight, for the benefit of the reader, rather than doing the math in her head automatically, which she might do for problems in her wheelhouse. Something like String physics, or fluid dynamics specifically for the cores of stars.