Currently in Taiwan. I just have to rant kahit na natutuwa ako sa cost na sobrang baba. I went to a private ENT because I experienced issues with hearing after my flight. Paid for the consult upfront, went to the doctor, got examined using tools + disinfection and cleaning. Got prescribed meds, went to the receptions. The lady looked at me like I was crazy beause I was asking how much the meds were (nag withdraw ako 5kNTD just in case): the meds are INCLUDED sa consult fee?!?!?!
Why the fuck is getting a non-insured checkup and meds in Taipei cheaper than getting one in the PH??? Also, sobrang dali makakuha ng gamot kasi sa clinic na mismo ng doctor dinidispense.
ANG LALA TALAGA NG PILIPINAS. Sakitin rin ako sa Pilipinas at hindi rin naman ganun kayaman growing up. Alam ko yung hirap at stress na mag taka saan kukunin pang gamot at checkup. Dito sa Taiwan, a more developed and "expensive" country, sobrang dali at affordble even for a pinoy.
1,100 pesos:
- ENT Consult, examination, cleaning
- Medicine (6 types, w/ antibiotics)
All of that for the price of a single checkup in the Philippines?? Our country is SO fucked up, I can't believe how much we're being treated like shit.
Kawawa tlga, sabi nga nila "Filipinos are just one hospitalization away to bankcruptcy"
Sobrang totoo haha kung alam lang ng karamihan ng pinoy gaano ka priority #1 sa ibang bansa ang healthcare.
Yes. And sadly, sobrang daming younger middle class ang hindi pa narerealize to. Sooner or later they’ll realize na halos walang benefits ang mga middle class sa healthcare.
Not just in healthcare. The rich can get anything they want with their money, the poor got ayuda and all kinds of government assistance, while the middle class gets fuck all.
Pano daming uto uto. Sabi ba naman nung isa chill lang siya walang paki sa flood control. Tangang bobo. Yan ang pang future hospitalization mo at baka next baha wala ka na nga pala.
Naexperience namin to just last year. Nahospitalize tatay ko for 4 days, 80k agad ang bill na binayaran through credit card. Ngayon, may babayaran kaming utang monthly for the next two years 🫠
As someone who is reeling from a thyrotoxic paralysis hospital,
Yeah... I am still paying the goddamn debt and ngayon I am barely getting by.
Sayang lang hulog sa philhealth saten. mas ok kung ibigay nlng nila ng buo un hulog sa mga tao.
away from bankruptcy or away from death...
I've experienced this first hand, biglang baliktad lahat sa amin nung na diagnose ng cancer father ko, milyon nagastos ko, ubos lahat, baon pa sa utang.
True. Personally nagkaroon lang minor medical emergency sa family. Need ng visit sa emergency, few laboratories and doctor consultations..eto may 2 cash loan sa credit card para lang sa affected bills na napunta sa medical bills. Wala pa confinement dyan ah.
Totoo ito. Nung nagkasakit yung ate ko nabaon kami (mama at asawa niya) sa utang, halos lahat ng kakilala namin hiniraman na mairaos lang yung surgery niya, and to think na 2024 pa yun and nung late 2025-present lang kami nakabawi-bawi sa finances
Yung 1k dito kulang pa pambayad sa espesyalista
Meron bang VAT ang profesional fee
Inclusive na sa PF nila, they will pay their VAT sa tax filing nila.
Isa pa to. Maiintindihan ko ibang professions eh, pero DOCTOR?! Tas may VAT. Langya talagang gobyerno 😭
Pang Grab pa lang yang 1k.
Also consider equivalent peso as to time spent waiting for the doctor
Nainjure din asawa ko sa japan while on vacation. It was a thumb sprain and we went to a private hospital. I was expecting to be there a while kasi sanay kami sa atin na matagal, mahal etc
Nagulat ako 3k pesos lang binayaran namin for xray, medicine and consult tapos mga 30mins lang total time namin dun.
Curious did you have to hire a translator to go with you in your visit?
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friend ko kasi working in Japan， she was made by her ENT to hire a translator to accompany her sa visit. She had to speak up in her basic Japanese to say that she's not spending JPYxxxxx just to get a prescription for meds that she needs. And this was in Tokyo pa not like sa rural area
It never happened to me when I first moved to Tokyo (N1 level now, N5 level before). Most of the time, doctors were totally fine with a basic back-and-forth as long as it wasn’t anything serious. But just like anywhere else, you get all kinds of people, and that includes some wacko doctors. Or doctors who simply can’t be bothered to put in any extra effort, especially when they’ve got a waiting room full of patients (and can make money either way). Mah, I prolly just got lucky.
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There's a reason Taiwan's healthcare system ranks highly.
Its not perfect, their Doctors and Nurses also work hard, and in some cases maybe too hard, and their wages arent as high as other places potentially, but clearly there is enough priority, enough money in the system to make it work.
the biggest thing, and those of you whom have been to Taiwan may feel in other areas too, is the overall sense of civic responsibility Taiwanese generally have. From a young age, its instilled to understand that its not always just about you, about the individual, that society and how people treat people matters. This is why you see them patiently waiting in an orderly line for the MRT. There is less noise pollution (typically), and more care shown to others.
I'm glad you got to experience the good side, and hope you take that experience home, and can expect better out of your society, because, thats how it will change, if enough people demand the change.
Just imagine the number of treatments the flood projects could have paid for..... the mind boggles.
US just 2 place above PH.
True, but their Healthcare is in dire need of support too..... too expensive as well.
And just to give context based on my own experience, uber papuntang ER mga $20. Pag nag ambulansya $800, pag bukas ang wang wang $1,200 (prices as of maybe 15 years ago)
Skin to skin contact ni mommy kay baby pag nanganak $300. Isipin mo yun, yinakap mo pang yung anak mo, me bayad.
Lalo na sa presyuhan ng gamot. Manufactured price mga $3, sisingilin ka pag rineseta mga $150.
Bakit ganon ang presyuhan ng healthcare kamo? Kasi why not daw. Tang amang yan.
Being charged extra to hold your newborn is end-stage capitalism.
Kasi sabi nga ng fil am friend ko, America is a business.
Yes, the USA is absolutely a business, its a capitalist system and everything is equated to a dollar figure, but really, a lot of places are, including Pinas. Just look at
Every govt agency wants to issue an "ID" to make a few hundred pesos from you
Around every corner, someone wants to make some money from you. When harmless, we disregard it, when it becomes extreme, we call it a scam. Whether its kuya asking for 20 when he conducts traffic when you are pulling your car out, to people asking for change when you leave the 7-11, to the taxi driver asking for more because its raining.
In other countries when you overstay a visa, you are banned from coming back, in Pinas, you pay a fee/fine.
If you work as a server, and you get the order wrong, or serve incorrectly, it comes out of your pocket.
Same same.
THIS. When I comment this on the other thread, everyone got triggered as if wala sa upbringing ng Pilipino ang part ng problem. Inaasa muna sa gobyerno ang pagbabago bago magbago.
Halata naman na mula pagkabata minulat na sa pang gugulang at panlalamang kaya naging student, teenage, workforce, dala dala ang ganyang ugali at prinsipyo sa buhay.
And they wonder why the number of Filipino couple who doesn't want to raise a child is increasing.
this reminds me of the swedish concept of lagom.
Different systems honestly.
Big reason why drugs/medicines are expensive here are they are heavily taxed and handled different than in Taiwan.
Hospitals are understaffed, overcapacity, staff are poorly treated and compensated and like it or not the hospital has to keep its lights on. A lot of the money the hospital gets is from the treatment and the service is provided.
Majority are also underfunded and or privately owned
hindi ba heavily taxed rin naman tayo?? kaso puro kurakot nga kasi.
walang problema kung heavily taxed kung ramdam na ramdam ang benefits ng taxes ang kaso hindi na nga nagagastos ng tama,incompetent pa yung implementing agencies,tapos ang kakapal ng mukha para mambulsa ng pondo,ukininangina
Exactly, kaya nakakabadtrip yung mga nagc-comment ng "mataas naman tax nila" tuwing pinaguusapan mga magagandang healthcare at social services sa isang bansa. Eh sa atin nga mataas na wala pa tayong napapala.
THIS. Yung main cause ng halos lahat ng pagtaas ng bilihin dahil sa taxes na kinukurakot lang naman+padulas na pinipiga ng gobyerno sa mga negosyo yearly every step of the way. Kailan ba magigising ang mga tao?
What pisses me off too is knowing that most Filipino healthcare workers are so coveted and respected within the healthcare community outside the PH.
But sa pinas we’re overworked, barely paid, and disrespected. Ofc we leave the Ph. So sad.
The pinoy deserves better.
Pinoy reddit disrespect hcws a lot.
Gusto nila pag magpaopera sila ng major lifesaving operation like appendectomy, 1k lang babayaran sa doktor na pumasok sa hospital at 2 am para lang doon (in addition to years ng pag-aaral at training).
Tapos kebs lang sila sa 50k na HMUA.
Give me a break.
Like no wonder healthcare sa PH sucks. No one cares about the people who receive it, no one cares about the people who work in it, and no one cares if it’s running or not.
You’re right too. The garden variety pinoy have some weird obsession with blaming the actual doctors/nurses/hcw about how bad the system is. As if their voted officials have no say in how the system is run.
The only reason many doctors still go through the dehumanizing, mental health destroying, expensive process of residency training is to become a specialist and earn enough money to live a comfortabke middle class life. You know, goals naman ng karamihan sa atin. And we reach financial stability far later than our peers in corporate... who are still far richer and far more well rested than we will ever be. That's the truth. If they started throttling the hard earned PF of the doctors who work far longer hours than your typical redditor, I'd imagine far less specialists in the country.
And for all the insane hours medtechs and nurses work, talagang kawawa sila. These people get "OTY" a lot and get a PRC license only to kill themselves doing insane 12 hour night shifts with lower salary than an HS grad working in a call center. No wonder everyone is going abroad or becoming VAs.
Pinoy specialists (e.g. ENTs) deserve their Php 1,000 PF (& additional fee for procedures like ear cleaning) for the almost 20 years of training that they need to undergo + overhead costs pa nila sa clinic.
Yes, people forget the insane overhead that comes with running a clinic. Equipment, staff, rent... and even hospital based pracititioners had to invest just to start practicing. The 10000 fees and documentary requirements both from PRC and the local government. And then there's the goddamn taxes lalo na kung law abiding citizen ka.
Pinoy redditors like to whine about the overheads of their own businesses pa naman. Either ignorante sila sa costs of running a practice or they think doctors should act like charitable nuns and priests with a vow of poverty while working long hours.
Sa PH, nasa 3-5k+ yang dinescribe mo, hindi pa kasama yung gamot.
I agree, Taiwan's healthcare is one if the best, if not the best.
My wife and I currently live in Taiwan and have been utilizing their healthcare to the fullest.
For perspective, nanganak ang asawa ko dito and we only spent around 17,000 NTD for the birthing process all in na, if wala pa epidural it would have only costed us 7k NTD. Then after that nakapag avail pa kami ng subsidy from the labor insurance worth more than 5 times ng ginastos namin sa panganganak. So you could say parang kumita pa kami for having pregnancy here.
Also, cleaning and pasta only costs 200 NT here which roughly amounts to 350 pesos only. Sa Pinas dati nung umuwi ako, nagpapasta ako, umabot ng almost 4k pesos hindi pa kasama cleaning.
I hate to compare pero sobrang iwan talaga ng Pinas pagdating sa healthcare. I really wish Filipinos could experience this kind of topnotch healthcare.
Hmm.... bakit wlay mga pulitiko o Elite natin pumunta Dyan? Intrigued lang ako.
Pero yes deserve ang hustisya sa mga doktora at nurse natin sa quality na Healthcare equipment at quality worklife balance.
Closest exception lang sa Free Healthcare ay ang ospital ng Sultan Kurarat.
Yet lagi tayo nageexport ng personnel that lets these better healthcare systems stand on two legs. Cruel, cruel irony.
Yan ang sad thing though. The best pa rin Pinoy healthworkers. Iba talaga alagang Pinoy. Kung mapagsama lang sana ang Healthcare system na top class plus Pinoy care perfect.
Dapat talaga bawasan ang sobrang laking DPWH budget na kinukurakot lang at gawing free universal healthcare sa Pinas
Binawasan na ng kalahati. From 1 Trillion to 530B
Sobrang mahal lahat dito sa Pilipinas pero hindi naman worth it. Kung meron lang akong choice di ko talaga pipiliin tumira dito kasi mas madaming bumoboto sa mga trapo compare sa matitino kaya tayo nagkakaganito eh.
Kaya tipikal sa Pinoy na magtiis kahit may sakit kasi walang pampa ospital. Hays
Same OP. I went to ER due to hives. They got me on steroid shot and meds. Also issued med cert for my insurance all in all 2.2k ang bill. Smooth lng din ang process maybe because 12 midnight ako pumunta haha pero I was satisfied by their service tlga.
Kaya d na ako magtataka na walang pumuntang tourist sa pinas. Pag nagkasakit tatagain ka sa prof. fee. Pahirapan pa maghanap ng gamot lalo na sa Mga provincial area kung saan andun yung Mga tourist spots.
Mga taga-US dito nagpapa-ospital. Madami sa St. Luke's BGC. Mas malala kasi healthcare ng US kesa dito considering what OP posted.
Yes, that's what I heard too. Mag papa consult ka lng sa doctor, months ang aabutin mo, unlike sa Pinas na madalas kahit walk-in masasalang ka naman. To add, necessary ang health insurance sa US, dahil sa sobrang taas maningil ng mga hospital at mahal mga gamot nila. At sadly minsan yung insurance na kinuha nila ayaw i-cover yung bill na dpt i-cover nila. Hahanap ang insurance ng palusot para hindi magbayad. Like minsan sasabihin, hindi daw nagpasa ng required documents kahit nag pasa naman yung patient or minsan may kulang daw, pero actually ayaw lng nila hanapin. Kaya ginagawa ng mga doctor nung patient, lahat ng documents nung patient linalagay nila sa isang pdf file para hindi makapagexcuse yung insurance. Eto pa, may napanood ako sa YouTube or FB ba yun, tinatanong nila yung mga taga UK ata kung ano sa tingin nila mag kano manganak sa US, at nalula mga taga UK sa mahal ng panganganak sa US. At grabe yung mga EpiPen super mahal din sa US compared sa Canada. Yan mga nababalitaan ko, gently correct me if I am wrong.
This is correct. I experienced getting denied sa MRI request ng doctor kasi sabi ng insurance hindi ko naman daw kailangan. Like bitch kailangan ko nga kaya nga ni request ng dr ko diba? I asked how much yung out of the pocket nung procedure ko kapag di covered ng insurance and guess what, it’s 5x of the price na. I don’t have a choice but to wait for my dr to “defend” my case to my insurance why I need it. Na approve naman after nila mag usap ng insurance ko pero after almost 2 mos pa ako nabigyan ng sched.
Another incident is I have to write a letter to my insurance why kailangan nila icover yung isang medical procedure ko na nagawa na lol. From $800 naging $150 nalang binayaran ko.
Sa Canada, wala ka babayaran. Parking space lang usually. Ang problema lang, 6 months na antayan sa espesyalista.
Sabe nga din ng mga kano, months ang hihintayin mo sa Amerika bago ka makita ng doktor. Unang symptoms palang ng cancer nagpa appointment ka, pag nacheck up ka stage 4 na sakit mo, ganon daw kalala.
Wag mo sabihin yan! Maraming magagalit na mga taga himod ng pwet ng US. Perfect ang US!
Wag ka, mga puting travel vloggers finiflex pa "its so cheap to get a treatment here!" 🥴
Mas maganda nga nung estudyante pa ako sa Taiwan, dahil part ako ng National Health Insurance (NHI) nila, which is around 5k NTD (approximately 8k pesos), ang participation fee ay 100 NTD lang, kasama na medicine :)
Ang naging major issue ko lang noon, highly regulated ang medicine to the point na dati, maski paracetamol, di ako makabili, pero kasi 100 NTD lang naman yung participation fee so di na ako nagrereklamo, haha 🤣
Taiwan Numba 1
Yeah, para lang tayong Temu version ng healthcare sa US.
Hanggat tinatrato ng gobyerno ang health care as a privilege and not a necessity, hindi nila pagtutuunan ng pansin yan. Imagine nung may surplus ang philhealth, instead na dagdagan ang serbisyo o bawasan ang premium ang una nilang naisip is i-divert ang funds to generate money? Mga hindot gustong patakbuhin ang philhealth as an insurance company
This is why we should all encourage international travel, aside from experiences it just widens everyone's perspectives in all aspects which we can bring back home and demand from our government every basic necessity that we are entitled to.
Imagine that after WWII, halos pareho tayo ng status ng Taiwan and SK. Nabasa ko to when I was researching for my paper.
Tapos ang layo ng dalawang countries nato saten ngayon. Yung healthcare sobrang importante. Yung kinakaltas for philhealth ang laking bagay, hindi naman nagagamit. Pag may malaking hospital bill, halos magmakaawa ka muna sa politiko para mabigyan ka ng letter. Haaaay
We fly to Taiwan (or BKK) for our annual executive check up because th packages are cheaper, maganda services and overall experience.
if you dont have insurance (HMO) you really have to rely on charity which the pulpoliticians will use patronage politics by dangling the "Letter og Guarantee" which is basically the taxes that you workers contributed. F$&%* that
Sana maubos na healthcare workers sa Pilipinas. Mag abroad na lang sila.
Partida di ka pa sakop ng universal healthcare nila
It is surprising how affordable healthcare can be in other countries. When I was in SK a few years ago for a vacation, I suffered a gout attack. Went to a private clinic for a consultation with a specialist and got injected with painkillers and enough meds for a week (3x a day). I only spent about 1200 php.
Misis ko naoperahan both hands due to carpal tunnel syndrome dito sa Canada. Mas mahal pa binayaran namin sa parking. On top of that, bayad yung days na hindi sya nakapag work through EI. Mga 4 months total recovery period nya. Malaki tax dito sa Canada pero kita mo ang benefits sa tax payers.
Malayong malayo tayo compared sa ibang bansa and that's just healthcare. Behind din tayo sa infrastructure, transpo, benefits, etc.
Kelangan may mabago kungdi palala lang yan ng palala.
Sobrang kawawa talaga. Just today we had an emergency, nahulog ang tatay ko and bumagsak sya, pumutok ang labi, sugatan ang mukha, tuhod, halos di magalaw ang katawan. He was rushed to a public hospital. And like most Filipinos experienced in a public hospital, no one really attended to my father. Wala daw xray, wala daw doctor, nilinis lang ang sugat nya at binigyan ng referral, dalhin daw sa ibang hospital which is malayo na dito samin. We had no choice but to go to a private doctor to have him checked and immediately tinahi yung sugat nya sa bibig and babalik na lang kami bukas for other tests. Grabe noh? Imagine we are being withheld taxes every month, and our country is in so much debt just to fund the national budget yet Filipinos are dying in public hospitals, wala tayong maayos na hospital bawat municipality. Parang display lang yung mga hospital kasi wala naman doctor, walang gamit, etc. Sobrang nakakaawa tayo. Grabe.
Taiwan is cheaper because it runs on National Health Insurance, which is subsidized by their government.
Taiwan can do this cause they’re much richer per person. GDP per capita is about US$41.6k for Taiwan vs ~US$4.6k for the Philippines (roughly 9× higher), which translates into a much bigger funding base for subsidies.
It’s not purely a healthcare problem.
Went to taiwan before and akala ko kulelat sila kasi tinatalo lng natin sila sa basketball pero putang ina ang ganda don. Organized yung transport saka sidewalk with trees
Lol yung reference sa basketball. Yes sobrang lala ng pinas compared to neighboring countries.
BGC lang pinagmamalaki ng bansang ito?
Just curious were you able to speak to your doctor in English or Chinese dapat? How did you find the doctor? Pwde walk in lang? Or may waiting period? How did you select the doctor?
All doctors in taiwan are proficient with english is what my doctor told me. (he sloke fluent english too)
i think a safe assumption is the higher the profession/job/fit, the likelihood of fluency in english
Nice..friend ko kasi working in Japan， she's made by her ENT to hire a translator to accompany her sa visit. She had to speak up in her basic Japanese to say that she's not spending JPYxxxxx just to get a prescription for meds that she needs.
I live abroad and I have been helping a little boy out sa Pinas. He is not related to me. Little boy is 4 and has leukaemia. Everyday kelangan nila mamili if pagkain or pang gamot. Nagpapadala ako ng konti para sa pagkain dahil ang sakit sa puso na tinitiis nila hindi kumain para lang sa pang gamot sa bata. Lumalapit sila sa local government pero ang laging sagot ay “walang budget”. Nakakagalit.
Pag may health insurance ka diyan baka 300-400nt lang babayaran mo. Ako dati check-up, x-ray, blood test and endoscopy less than 1knt lang binayaran ko including medicine na. Dito sa pinas pinakamura na 10k endoscopy ngayon.
Paanong kawawa eh mga bobotante rin naman may gusto niyan.
Nagpauto nga sila kay Mr. Malasakit na top 1 supported by more than 20M voters.
When offered by a better candidate, ayaw naman. Sila pa tatanggi at maninira. Sa corrupt, gustong gusto naman.
Yung ilang % ng mga Pilipino kawawa, but don't generalize. Hindi kawawa ang tao na bumoboto sa corruptuon at nabiktima nito.
ayaw pa nila tanggalin na magmamakaawa ka sa politiko, I'm not buying those "safeguards" na sinasabi nila sa 2026 budget na hindi na daw makikialam ang politiko sa pagbibigay ng health assistance. Sana binuhusan nila ng pondo ang Philhealth kung talagang seryoso sila sa anti corruption na yan.
Even dito sa singapore. My subsidy from the government yung mga gamot. Basta sa government clinics ka. One time nagkasakit ako common cold,fever, ubo,sipon.
Free ba yung check up yung gamot nlng babayaran, nung magbabayad na ako sa machine, total bill ko 4 dollars.
Tapos sa school naman nang mga bata, kapag magaling sila sa school (academics, CCA(extra curricular activities, sports, music etc.,student leader), at pasok grades nila sa bracket, yung government nagbibigay sila nang pera sa students. Padala muna sila nang letter, tapos either kukunin mo sa designated office nila near you or they can just send you to the bank account of the kid. Kapag nka pag abroad ka, you can’t help but compare and say , SANA SA PINAS GANITO DIN.
Ang mura nakakaiyak!! Nung nagpa ENT bf ko nun 2k+ nagastos namin wala pa meds 😭 bakit kasi ganito kalakaran sa Pilipinas parang pera pera na lang lahat 😔
Sa pagkakaalam ko, subsidized ang health care dyan. Eh dito hindi eh, yung Philhealth ginawan private funds ng mga pu#a%g|n@ng mga politiko natin.
Sobrang sakto ng post. Bago lang din ako nagpa check up sa ENT kasi may pumasok na insect sa ear ko na need iremove almost 3k nabayaran ko. It's my first time, and I really felt na parang walang care yung doctor like everything feels rushed (gets ko din naman since madami siyang pasyente that time). Sobrang sakit ng procedure ha and after kong tumayo sobrang nahilo ako and hindi ko pa ma balance ng maayos sarili ko tapos pinapasok na agad ang next patient. Wala man lang siyang prescribe medication na binigay like ear drops. A few days later, napansin ko na may dugo palang naiwan sa ear ko. Ayun pinabalik ako ulit sa doctor for check up saka pa ako bingyan ng ear drops, so another bayad ulit 1k+🤦♀️
What's more upsetting is sobrang tagal dumating ng doctor like I waited 2 hrs or more. Bakit kaya sobrang normalize ang pagiging late ng mga ibang doctor sa pinas🥲
Sa napakaraming aspeto, kawawa talaga tayo 🥺
The simplest answer is that Taiwan's NHI is the best when it comes to socialized healthcare. Similar to power or water, healthcare is treated like a utility. It is heavily regulated so that prices for drugs, diagnostics and medical procedures are within a certain range. Of course, they come at the expense of doctors not being as highly paid per patient compared to other countries. However, you can't deny the results and something that Philhealth should aspire to achieve.
Living in the Philippines is like being in a video game na naka-hard mode yung settings.
Med cert satin may bayad 🥲
Nakakagulat talaga. Taipei: 1100 pesos for 3x/day, 5meds for 10 days + medicated ear drops. Kakaiba talaga kapay may pake gobyerno sa tao. Balita ko mas mura pa daw sa ibang cities ng Taiwan.
Kasi ang daming namemeke ng med certs, at lalong mas madaming patients na malingering. It's a way to deter patients from asking for it.
Wow doctor pa at PF ang mali? Sure ba kayo na PF ng doctor ang bill niyo sa Pinas? Majority ng binabayaran niyo walang kinalaman sa doctor, minsan nga wala pang bayad PF o sobrang baba na. Yung overpriced dito yung presyo na singilan ng sa admission, laboratory prices etc. bakit kako? Hindi ba dahil yan sa kurapsyon. Huy, baka hindi niyo alam, yung clerks o interns na doctors na nakakasalamuha niyo na nagduduty mahigit 12 hrs ay hindi bayad, kahit piso walang bayad sa hirap ng trabaho. Yang mga residente naman, hindi sa kanila napupunta bayad niyo, underpaid yan.
Baka kako sisihin niyo governers o congressman niyo if provincial hospital dahil yung kabuuhan ng rates na binabayaran ay dahil sa korupsyon. Wala talagang kaalam alam ang mga Pinoy kundi siraan mga doktor not knowing na hindi naman binabayaran karamihan sa nakakasalamuha niyo, if binabayaran man, sobrang liit lang.
Ginto nga ang magpa-ER dito sa Pinas pag sa private hospital kas sinugod.
totoo!!! nagpa-ER ako one time kasi non-stop pag-dugo ng ilong ko at masakit ulo ko, tas binayaran ko 20k in total. Gabi na rin kasi non kaya sa ER talaga ako pumunta. 4 hours akong naghintay para lang sa assessment ng x-ray at dengue test. Ang ending sinabihan lang ako ng doctor na bumisita sa ENT...
Mga ganyan din inabot ko dito noong nagka-ear infection ako.
Fvvck.
I paid 2,000 for the ENT consult noon nung impacted na yung earwax ko at maga na at di na ako ganu makarinig.
+ around 1,000 for the medicines prescribed. I never used cotton buds again kasi sabi ng ENT applying hot compress nlng sa ear para malinis matangal yung wax at hnd maitulak sa loob uli.
Mahal nga talga mgkasakit sa pinas
We have corruption in the Philippines
100k+ bill namin sa hospital ng tatay ko at ni piso from philhealth ay wala kaming natanggap kasi di daw nila supported yung sakit niya
dami kasi scammers sa health industry eh.
Healthcare system in the PH is so messed-up that even the bare minimum effort from the govt (like zero billing program, etc.) makes it look like a huge step up. Like??? Bakit ngayon lang??? We deserve better!!!
100 NTD lang maintenance ko sa high blood ng 1 month sa Taiwan.
matagal na po. ang mga tao kasi tanga, ang baba ng standard para sa buhay nila. nabobola sila ng mga politiko. mahilig tayo sa drama at nakakalimot tayo sa mga bagay na mas importante.
Yung mga nagtatanong kung worth it ba mag-migrate sa ibang bansa kahit nalaki sweldo nila sa Pilipinas - eto ang magandang sagot sa tanong nila.
Uso talaga ang hustle price sa philippines. Lahat gusto umangat at makalamang. Katwiran eh kung ayaw mo, wag mo. Wala naman din functioning na regulators dito.
Pano ba magrelocate sa Taiwan?
My friend hurt himself while hiking in HK. Not a resident, just a tourist. 2 days in the hospital + surgery + ambulance + meds. P20k. Yes it was a government hospital and the bedside manner wasn't the best but the surgery was top notch (very minor scar).
1k for online consult lang tapos may processing fee sa platform + taxes!!! Suskopo, kawawa ang Pilipino
Sadly, I miss it in a way. I miss the capability of buying my meds that I know will work for me (not abx). Yung pwede ako magpa xray if gusto ko. Pumili ng doctor na kilala ako at alam kong magaling magdiagnose and prescribe.
I’m in the UK with “free healthcare”. Not really free din kasi malaki ang cut ng healthcare sa tax. I have been having the worst viral cough and cold for more than a month pero walang improvement. Yesterday, I sought the services ng healthcare dito. A random doctor got assigned to me kasi wala yung randomly selected ko na GP or doctor. I explained my symptoms, how long, ano mga tinatake kong gamot, what makes it worse, etc. Kumpleto and medical history. He saw na tachycardic ako during our convo, it was at 130s while sitting down. Ano ginawa nia? Prescribed me with freaking Amox three times a day for 5 days. Sabi ko, sure ka? And then I asked, do you think I need steroids at this point? A steroid inhaler maybe, or nebs? Wala. How about xray? Pag daw di ako nagimprove ng 2 weeks, balik daw ako and they will request for a chest xray. I was stunned. I hate the healthcare here. When I got my meds from the pharmacy, I had to pay £9.90 para sa 15 na pirasong Amox na yan.
Kaya ako ung minority na namimiss ang Pinas. We have better doctors there. Sadly, yung treatment ang mahal sa atin and walang share ang government in our healthcare. Pero if papapiliin ako like what happened to me, I’d rather be treated back home. My mom is even tempted to send me my usual meds huhu.
Taiwan have higher standards of living than most western countries.
Kaya alam na, migrate while you can. Filipinos deserve better. Gave up when 31M Filipinos voted for the 🤡
wala eh. daming bwaya.
Wala pang resibo pag bayad mo sa doctor for consultation
Gusto ng pinoy pag magpaopera sila ng major lifesaving operation like appendectomy, 1-2k lang babayaran na professional fee sa doktor na pumasok sa hospital at 2 am para lang doon (in addition to years ng pag-aaral at training. Gusto nila isang kahig isang tuka mga HCWs dito porket hippocratic oath keme at service vocation shit daw.
Tapos kebs lang sila sa 50k na HMUA.
Give me a break.
Omg. Dito sa amin sa province, PHP800 ang pagsungkit ng ENT Doc ng sa nabuong earwax sa anak ko.
Kaya mo bang gawin magisa mo? Or may apparato sila na mahal? Pwede mo namang gawin magisa mo para di ka na magbayad ng 800.
Sinabi mo pa. Kahit may HMO at philhealth ka wag ka dapat magpakampante lalo na yung mag undergo ng surgery jusko. Doctor's fee pa lang lubog ka na. Tulad ko. Hanggang ngayon nasa ospital pa rin since December 25. Di ako makalabas dahil sa doctor's fee. Paano ko mababayaran yan kung andito ako sa ospital. GL ng government won't work here kasi naka on hold baka di nababayaran. Kawawa talaga tayong mga pinoy pagdating sa healthcare
Galing. Kasama meds sa consult. Sa Pinas, paglabas mo sa secretarya, bebentahan ka pa ng gamot na pareho presto sa botika. The best talaga.
1500 nga ang check-up dito pag specialist eh.
Kahit nga may PhilHealth card ka rito, di rin naman tinatanggap ng duktor sa konsulta. Tanginang gobyerno ng Pilipinas. Taas ng kaltas ng PhilHealth, di ko naman magamit.
Root canal ko, 50NT per session
For 1,100 kahit sino magpapa check up kung ganyan lang presyo dito sa clinic/ospital, hindi na mag self medication.
Nagiging mura lang kapag may medical mission yung mga botika na 350 madami ng tests na magagawa.
Filipino govt. want to copy USA system so much that they also copied the shitty stuff
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1200 bayad namin check up pa lang sa ENT. Before pandemic pa to. Tapos pagbalik namin 2800 consultation+ cleaning, diko na maalala magkano antibiotic na nireseta bago kami bumalik.
That's my problem with our country. Systema kasi natin is copy paste sa America, everything is privatized for no reason. Kaya ang taas ng cost of living compared sa fellow SEA countries.
Also, napakabait nila, got some friends there, they even think highly of us na maganda dito and we are cool and rich in history, when in fact sila nga mas better, napaka humble nila sa totoo lang.
Hay grabe nakaka panlumo talaga
yung 1,100 pesos mo 10 mins consultation fee lang ng mga doctor dito haha sad
Kawawa Ang Pinoy sa katangahan nya. Alam na magnanakaw pero patuloy na binoboto.
Curious ako. How was the waiting time sa consultation mo?
no waiting time. i was the first patient. after me nagkapila around 2 were waiting. this was around 4pm, i doubt waitign time is high
Wala waiting time sa Taiwan kasi may app sila na makikita mo dun kung anong oras sched mo sa doktor. Pwede ka mag pa sched habang nasa bahay pa. Tapos biibigyan ka ng oras kung okay sayo pero kung ayaw mo pwede ka pumili ng oras na gusto mo bastat bakante pa ang sched ng doktor. Kaya kung makapunta ka sa hospital makikita mo sobrang kaunti lang ng taong naghihintay sa pila. Darating kasi sila pag sched na nila.
Woah! That’s a lot way cheaper nga. Recently, galing din kamk ENT nagpacheck kasi may masakit sa likod ng tenga. Checkup plus examination and cleaning nadin cost us, 2600 + Doctor’s Fee na 1,000php. Hindi pa kasama yung medicines plus nagrequest pa ng xray dahil walang nakitang cause ng pain. May xray procedures and follow-up checkups pa, another payment pa yun. 😢
Even provincial hospitals in Bukidnon deserve better, and those that don't have family connections can't instantly give you a check up most of the time.... though it's a case-by-case since mine tends to be quicker and isn't as expensive due to Wealth..... pero yes hirap talaga if meron cancer ang pasyente.
Sa US para din Pilipinas kung wala kang employer sponsored healthcare. Napakamahal ang magpatungin sa doktor at pati na rin ang mga gamot kung wala kang insurance. Puwede naman sa public hospital pero madami din taong nakapila parang Pilipinas.Yun lang nga kung talagang malubha na ang sakit mo ay hindi ka puwedeng tanggihan na gamutin ng mga hospital. Yung emergency care lang ang garantisado sa batas ng Amerika, kahit sino ka pa man, citizen o hindi.
Na scam tayo sa philhealth.
Kasalanan ng mga politiko yan. Naging role models sila na magpayaman. Kaya, ayun - pati mga doctor dito at mga hospitals, todo singil na - taong bayan pa din ang kawawa.
Dito sa min, 550 per ear, tapos 500-600 din ang drops at isang klase lang yan.
I live in Taiwan. I had surgery once and I only had to pay less than 10 K pesos. Meanwhile, my dad has surgery in the Philippines and it cost a 1 million pesos.
Na Emergency ako sa Tokyo. Kasama na dito ang aking confinement for 2 nights. Binayaran ko lahat ay 50k yen or roughly 25k PhP max. Kasama na lahat dun. Dala ko lang nun ay ang PhilHealth equivalent nila (Hokensho). Walang kahit anong health card ek ek.
Na Emergency ako sa Tokyo. Kasama na dito ang aking confinement for 2 nights. Binayaran ko lahat ay 50k yen or roughly 25k PhP max. Kasama na lahat dun. Dala ko lang nun ay ang PhilHealth equivalent nila (Hokensho). Walang kahit anong health card ek ek.
Im not in the position to know alot about healthcare and since di pa ako nagbabayad it’ll sound ignorant for me to say but it could be worse. I think the worst standard of healthcare is sa US being a redundant topic there, idk tho alam ko super super mahal dun
My bff is also in Taiwan, she recently undergo some major surgeries, grabe ang health care system dyan. Nakaka bilib.
Naghihirap talaga PH sa healthcare kasi mas madaming private centers kaysa public at supposedly FREE & ACCESSIBLE. Ang govt natin, ni walang plano sa healthcare. Mas marami pang bagong business centers kaysa hospital! Kaya kung kaya, mag migrate na lang tayong lahat!
To be specific, yung middle class ang kawawa, pag mahirap madami pwede mahingan ng tulong. Pag middle class ka, nasa limbo ka, not too poor to avail assistance and not rich to afford without causing financial damahe. saglit lang bankrupt ka agad,
I was a diaysis patient before maKidney Transplant. Yung 90 sessions (before 45 sessions lang per year) ng PhilHealth for free dialysis ay pinupush ko sa group namin. Nagsend ako one time ng awareness at kung ano ba yung dapat mapunta sa mga may sakit.
Marami ang nagalit sa akin na kapwa patients to the point na need na iClose ni Admin yung comments at nag-iwan lang ng isang comment na may point ako. Dahil doon, marami ang nagDM sa’kin kesyo magpasalamat na lang daw sa Diyos dahil may binibigay pa sa atin. I tried to explain to them as much as I could at hindi sila nagrereply after ng response ko. Pati yung mismong nagwowork sa PhilHealth ay nagDM na sa’kin ng circular may 90 sessions per year sa dialysis sessions. I told him na we need atleast 157 sessions per year and I hope magawan nila ng paraan para maachieve yun dahil may pamasahe, pagkain, meds and other needs pa kami besides dialysis sessions.
Last few years ay naging 156 sessions na yung nabibigay ng PhilHealth pero kulang pa rin ng isang session para sa last year. Alam mo kung ano ang silver lining this time? Marami na ang nagrereklamo. Marami na ang nagagalit unlike before na nagtitiis sa kakarampot na bigay ng gobyerno sa may mga sakit. Wala na akong narinig na “Magpasalamat na lang tayo sa Diyos dahil may binibigay pa sa atin.”
Exactly 💯
My dad just got his 2 months free medication from the NHS. under tourist visa sya. libre checkup. ang di lang libre dito hospitalisation kaya kinuhaan ko sya ng travel insurance.
Kaya di ko gets mga nasa UK at ibang bansa na gusto magretire sa pinas. kahit may pension ako, knowing may commmorbidities kami I don't see myself retiring sa pinas. sure, visit pwede. pero tumira for good? NO. yang pension na yan at savings limas yan pag nagkasakit ka. I was a cancer survivor kaya alam ko gano kagastos. someone said, "Kung oras mo na mamatay, ok lang". Thats ok kung patay ka agad. eh pano kung pahirapan kapa ng sakit mo?
Bago lumipad papunta ng UK tatay ko, pinacheckup ko sya, pinalaboratory, scan. Grabe mas mahal pa sa Visa fee!
Okay lang dito sa pinas pag may pambayad ka. Pero sa mga nakwekwento saken ng mga kakilala ko abroad sa mga western countries, linggo o buwan aabutin bago makapagpa appointment ng checkup.
Dito antay ka lang siguro mga 5 hours sa ospital kase late matik doktor, pero atleast madalas sure meron.
How can we get out of this shiithole. Marami parin want to vote for the same old names na nagaaway-away lang
Aanhin mo ang healthcare kung wala naman pambili ng bagong sportscar si DOH secretary.
Kaya ayoko mag retire Dad ko dito sa Pinas dahil sa healthcare system natin. Sa US maganda healthcare system din even for non citizen
Mediocre and looks at you as cows to milk money from. Test this, test that. Go early just to get listed sa line then comeback when the doctor arrives tf.
In some other countries it, they'll give you a shopping bag fill it with Meds you need and might not need, then antibiotics if all the other Meds don't work. Then say goodbye like they don't want to see you again anytime soon.
Most of the time when I have to take my Fam to the hospital, after diagnosing they'll just inject you with the anti biotics and you're back to normal after 1 day.
Not only healthcare, the quality of life in general. Baba kasi ng standards ng pinoys ayaw mag demand ng better.
Kaya madaming pinoy sa pribinsya ay sa albularyo na lang nagpapa gamot. Yung iba naman na medyo techie kay WebMD na lang o kaya kay Dr Google or Dr ChatGPT.
Mantakin mo, mga 1st world countries kinakabahan kase shortage ang nurses sa kanila samantalang si pilipinas wala man lang kabaha-bahala na nagsisi alisa na mga nurses naten.
The Philippines has been "sobrang kawawa" since the 1980s. That's because it's been deindustrializing since then.
That's why four decades ago politicians were reporting on the unusually high prices of medicine in the Philippines. Add to that high prices for electricity, fuel, and telecomm services, among others.
Dito sa Pinas, maghihintay ka na lang talaga ng kamatayan mu once na nagkasakit ka and wala kang steady job na may HMO or savings man lang. Kahit na nag work ka for so long and marami na contribute sa mga pesteng govt. mandated deductions n yan. I know for sure because may 2 years na akong freelance, since wlang HMO, pinagdadasal ko na lang na gumaling ako sa mga sakit ko based on self medication. Kasi if ppunta ka sa public hospital, wala rin silbi if yung mga lab tests and meds hindi ma ccover since 2 years na akong wlang contribution and wala din savings now at mahina kita sa freelance for me.
Medical Tourism na tayo sa Taiwan
Maco-compare mo talaga ang healthcare system ng iba sa ibang country.
Philhealth is almost the same ng National Health Insurance sa Taiwan. You can almost use it anywhere.
I previously got my annual medical. Paid NTD150 (Less than P300). Sa Pinas, I paid around P5k, masusungit pa.
Hindi mo masasabing walang kurakot sa ibang bansa pero kitang kita mo talaga yung difference ng mga namumuno e. Ugh. Kawawa ang mga Filipino.
Dont forget our healthcare workers.
Nung covid grabe maka glaze, bayani etc. pero maglibot ka, mga nurses sa probinsya ilang taon na sa work inde na reregular.
Baba pa ng sahod.
My mother has masectomy then chemo here in Taipei its not cheap pero MMC or BGC price cguro, pero iba yung efficiency. Its like organized chaos, they have 100 plus chemo patients daily dito sa hospital lang, pero things get done in order. From doctor consult lab test, billing, efficient lahat. Government hospital ito.
For.me Taiwan have the best healthcare in the world. I've lived there before and although I have a private health insurance yung national health insurance nila is super mura at mga operation is mostly covered. Dental mura din at maganda Ang gawa.
Tapos sisisihin ng mga Pilipino yung pagcharge ng pf ng doktor. Hay. Kaya lalong walang nasosolve. Imbes na kalampagin ang gobyerno na icover ang healthcare 100% - inckuding pfs! We have to eat to! - ang gusto wag magcharge ang doktor or magcharge ng sobrang baba kasi "serbisyo" at "bokasyon" daw tong pinasok namin.
Those systems abroad are subsidized by their governments. There is no free lunch. Every healthcare worker you met gets paid well kahit 1100 pesos lang binayaran mo.
Sa Pilipinas, dahil OUT OF POCKET ang system natin - meaning almost zero govt subsidies - kung wala kang HMO, you pay on your own.
Philhealth? Pays us pennies. Delayed, tapos barya. Imagine: I work at the ED, when i save a life (as in literal bec part ng trabaho yan) like if a person having a heart attack becomes critical and i get him out of that OR if he actually dies and i revive him and im able to stabilize and get him alive sa ICU, Philhealth pays me 707 pesos before tax for that patient.
Clamor for universal health coverage - di yung limited lang sa DOH hospitals etc yung no balance billing or indigents lang pwede bang NBB
Clamor for better, more efficient, more effective Philhealth na di nanakawin ang pondo every before elections
Yup maganda healthcare system ng Taiwan. I got hospitalized there once and very convenient ang kanilang healthcare system pati yung gamot na ibibigay nila sayo may instructions and additional details such as side effects and ingredients ng medicine. And libre ang ambulance nila!
Tang inang yan ako 5k inabot ko sa ent ksama.na gamot putang inang bansa to. Tpos ung sahod di rin makatwiran. Kapag gsto mo nmn makatipid kailangsn mo pumila sa mga doctor na mura maningil. Kaso sobrang haba ng pila di worth ung isang araw ko para don. Time is money kasinskin
My mom is staying in taiwan and under recovery from breast cancer, ang pinaka expense nya is food daw nya pag pupunta ng clinic haha the rest is covered na ng insurance nya and under din sya ng isang foundation which ung onco nya din ang naglakad sa kanya para macover sya. Pero if babayadan daw nya ung check up at test wala pa daw 1K NTD yun. Kaya nabibigla sya pag nauwi sya ng PH and nagpapa medical sya. Ginto daw dito ang gamot
Sobrang kawawa talaga ng pinas. Nung nagbantay ako sa namatay kong mom grabe awa ko sa sitwasyon ng mga pilipino kapag nagkasakit, kelangan mayaman ka. Imagine kawawa ka din kapag namatay kang mahirap kasi mahal din ang libing (lalo na kapag namatay kang mag isa-walang kaanak, kasi dito sa pilipinas puro lakad ng voucher sa mga politician para makalibre ka ng serbisyo WTH)
Di priority ng mga politiko kahit noon pa man ang healthcare. Priority nila yung mga projects na may pork barrel para may kurakot. Sad to say but it’s true.
Simula nung nagkaroon ng liberalization policy si Gloria Arroyo sa areas ng healthcare and education, biglang nagtaasan ang tuition fees at doctor fees.
i am a current resident of Taipei and I can attest to the fact that Taiwan has one of the best National Health system in the world.
we pay for National Health Insurance (NHI) every month and it’s properly use for what is intended. no corruption, no nonsense.
and above all, there is no discrimination when it comes to “health”. foreigners or locals receive exact same care.
Agree. So disappointing 🤦🏻♀️ in my 14yrs on the workforce field, not wishing for critical stuffs, I haven’t utilized this Philheath. Tapos now need ko for medical assistance, susme ni-piso wala ako mahita. Kakagalit dahil tayo ang nagbabayad pero wala tayo nakukuha benepisyo. Sana tanggalin na yan or kung sino nalng ang gusto, gow! Said sahod ko sa meds and checkups. Malaking tulong ang HMO kaya confident tung mga kurakot ubusin ang pera ng bayan. Ang kakapal. May KARMA din sa inyo! Pwee.
and the doctor would just prescribe you some meds here without proper examination
That's why I love Taiwan lalo na yung massive transportation system nila.
Someone should investigate DOH talaga. Just look at Philhealth. May kabulastugan dyan.