The meme highlights the shocking contrast between how Danny Trejo remembered Charles Manson as a harmless, weak inmate in jail and how he later became one of America's most notorious criminals.
Manson was a weak harmless pussy, physically. He didn't have the stomach to follow through on his own horseshit, so he sent others like a coward.
As a cult leader, he was dangerous af because he was able to find dangerous people to surround himself with and fill their heads with his rose scented horseshit.
Idk, I remember watching an interview of Danny Trejo saying Manson was some master hypnotist, and could put hypnosis when they wanted to get "high" he could make people feel like they smoked weed, did heroin, meth, LSD or any drug. Amd then Trejos friend asked Manson to make him feel like he took heroin or something but it didn't work, and he said he asked him why, and Manson went on to explain thay he could only show them how they felt if they had taken the drug before. It was truly an interesting interview. After that, all those conspiracies about him being a sleeper agent or working for the Cia and MK ultra didn't seem so far-fetched.
Dogs never die. They don’t know how too. They get tired, very old and their bones hurt. Of course they don’t die. If they did they would not want to always go for a walk, even long after their old bones say “No, no not a good idea. Let’s not go for a walk.” Nope, dogs always want to go for a walk. They might get one step before their aging tendons collapse them into a heap on the floor but that’s what dogs do. They walk.
You see, a walk with you is all there is. A walk with their best friend and the symphony of odor that the world is. Cat poop, another dog’s mark, a rotting chicken bone and you. That is what makes their world perfect and in a perfect world death as no place.
Dogs just get very, very sleepy. That is the thing you see. They don’t teach you that at the fancy university where they explain about quarks and economics. They know so much there that they forget that dogs never die. It is a shame really. Dogs have so much to offer and people just talk too much.
When you think your dog has died, it has really just fallen asleep in the world and now lives in your heart. And by the way, it is wagging its tail madly, you see, and that is why your chest hurts so much and you cry all the time. Who would not cry with a happy dog wagging its tail in their chest? Ouch! Wap, wap, wap, wap, wap, that hurts. But they only wag because they are so happy to be so close to you.
Whenever they wake up in your heart they wag their tail. After a few dog years, they sleep for longer periods of time and you will too. They were a GOOD DOG all their life and you both know it. It gets tiring being a good dog all the time, particularly when you get old and your bones hurt and you fall on your face and don’t want to go outside to pee when it is raining but they do because they are a good dog. So understand that after they have been sleeping in your heart, they will sleep longer and longer.
But don’t get fooled. They are not “dead”. There is no such thing, really. They are sleeping in your heart and when they wake up, usually when you are not expecting it. It is just who they are.
I feel sorry for people who don’t have dogs sleeping in their heart. They miss so much. Excuse me, I have to go cry now.
Edit: I didn't write this, I just found it on the internet many many years ago, not long after I lost my dog, and it touched my heart.
I am told the original author is called Ernest Montague, so all credit for any tears (sorry, allergies, onions etc) and fond rememberings of dogs gone by goes to him, and him alone.
This is me when I realized max from the grinch with Jim Carey is gone, then I learned max was played by like 7 different dogs wth then I realized not just one max is dead but the whole roster
It's called Chaos: The Manson Murders and I believe it was on Netflix in the US. There's also a book, and if you're interested in this story I highly recommend reading, it's called CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties.
Both are good, but the book is more in depth. Keep in mind that this is a theory, so far.
Yeah can you imagine if things like cults or religions existed? Or worse, entire political movements that were underneath just a cult of personality? Hard to conceive
It sounds like he could get his followers "high" the same way people in... unusual churches think they can channel god and speak in tongues when guided by their head of church, by manipulating believers who already buy in to their routine.
or that time they secretly fed over a hundred disabled children radioactive waste for over a decade just to see what would happen. that one Clinton made a formal apology for , or the time we aproached a bunch of poor black people and told them we would give them free check ups and free vaccines, except the "vaccines" were siphilis, just to see what would happen (at this tim syphilis had already had a cure invented) clinton also apologized for that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wju0wD9mK3Y
and my favorite part... is that every boomer, every gen x, every millenial, every gen z argues that all of this activity magicaly stopped, that the fed doesnt do secret experiments anymore, it doesnt traffic anymore, it doesnt promote cults etc. because they said, sowy
This doesn’t make it any less fucked up but the U.S. Public Health Service didn’t infect black people with syphilis in the Tuskegee syphilis “experiment.” They identified 399 African American men with syphilis and then intentionally withheld treatment for 40 years even after penicillin was identified as the cure. Many of the men went on to infect their wives and some of their children were born with congenital syphilis.
Infecting people with radioactive isotopes and plutonium injections extended to orphans (disabled and otherwise) African Americans and people diagnosed (or in the case of the “most irradiated man in history” misdiagnosed) with terminal illnesses. They were injected plutonium and other isotopes without consent or notification and then studied for years. The guy who was wrongly diagnosed with terminal cancer and then dosed with a shitload of an isotope with a short half life (meaning it underwent radioactive decay faster than what they injected into most people and dumped that radiation into his body) was not viciously pretty fucked up both from the radiation and the botched exploratory surgeries where they removed to y of tissue and parts of his organs looking for a tumor that ended up being benign. The doctors told him he made a miraculous recovery from terminal cancer he didn’t have and then payed him to pee in bottles and put it behind his barn for a nurse to come collect so they could study his “miraculous recovery.” Really they just wanted to test his radioactive piss.
My sister was diagnosed around 1949 with cancer of the adrenal gland, she was a toddler. They hadn’t figured out dosage and it was for want of a better word “broad spectrum”. Treatments very very painful and Mom ended up being there for most of them. So she cried when she saw Mom. Apparently blood transfusions were pretty general as well.
They didn’t talk about it much, she was their first.
Dad was a scientist and Dad asked them questions about how they were using the radiation. He felt it was overused, burned the crap out of her.
Around this same time they used radiation to “cure” a veteran’s acne. He eventually lost his lower jaw.
They just went about it like using a jackhammer to drive a thumbtack.
My brother had a hernia operation around 1953 without anesthesia because the doctor thought kids didn’t feel pain as much. A common belief at that time. Kids weren’t the only group doctors believed felt pain less.
I do think there are far more restrictions. But even as late as the 1970’s or so I feel like the VA experimented on veterans.
Do I think sneaky crap still happens yes. Think about the concept that drugs, procedures and equipment were just relatively recently required to be tested on more than just white males (or have enough participants of various races and genders to predict outcomes for everyone). I heard recently (not researched) that the O2 sensor works more accurately on light skinned people than darker. It will show higher O2 levels on dark skin. So a patient might be in more distress than indicated.
And the current administration has rolled back DEI requirements in government, I’m fairly sure this includes testing.
Problem is you need people who have a weak spirit to overpower, and many people are willing to give it up easily since we're in a pretty fucked up world and most people are weak. Poverty, trauma, isolation all make it easier. Same way people fall for any cult or fall into drug abuse
Agree, some people are just born into horrible environments, or fall into one through no fault of their own, and a lot of them aren't lucky enough to get out of it.
It’s like with Hypnosis. If the subject wants to be hypnotized it will work. It the person only wants to prove someone wrong it doesn’t. Basically a mental placebo.
Ok, but he didn't need his muscles to do any of that, he used his charisma and intellect. That's what the dude above you is saying. Physically Manson wasn't scary, but he knew how to use his brain to destroy you.
Charles Manson wanted to bring about a race war, actually. That's what his Helter Skelter was all about. The murders were supposed to be blamed on black people.
At that time specifically there was a lot of racial tensions. You had right wing extremists stocking up weapons for the race war - the Minutemen i.e. You had other groups in the black community like the SLA, preparing as well.
These were things that were not talked about publicly - but in prison where Manson came from, that's what people talked about. So, when he did, he was just talking about what other people were talking about, because he felt he had secret knowledge. So, he did not want to start it specifically, he actually believed it was happening.
Helter Skelter was constructed to give the persecution a motive to tie it all together. It is full of flaws. Even the claim that he was a cult leader is probably exaggerated, when he more likely was a really messed up, but very charismatic person who had some influence over the group, but probably not all.
He was favored by the group and put into a role, like a crazy sage - just as the other members of the group were put into roles - but these were not dictated by Manson specifically. In reality, the group was probably more a group of messed up individuals who shared no commonality besides drugs and living outside of society as outcasts and organized themselves a bit sporadically.
Manson did have his own cause in his own mind, this was ATWA, but it never caught on specifically because it was an eco-terrorist pseudo-spiritual ideology. It had nothing to do with race wars - that was a contemporary commentary to society, and although also a bit exaggerated, not without it's cause.
He didn't preach this specifically to get people to join the group... He got the girls of the group to sleep with people so that they could party. He was a low level pimp in reality, even before he met the group. They did messed up things, and those who stuck around, stuck around.
And since they killed Tate - and in a gruesome way, this caught specific attention of the public. But still... Gruesome murders were not that rare at the time and didn't caught that much attention until they were sensational in any way, like a serial killer on the loose - or if a famous person died. They were caught, and they took a chance for the attention they were getting, to dial it all up to eleven.
Not saying he was a pleasant person at all, but how it is all portrayed is probably wrong.
MK Ultra was done on thousands of people, including victims in Canada. Your country doesn't give a damn and has been evil for a century before Trump came along.
Lol I just read a Canadian commenter complaining about all the Indian immigrants in Canada. Sounded just like all the anti-immigrant bullshit I've been listening to for years in America.
The proportion heres was quite a bit bigger. We had a couple years where the population grew by almost 3% in a year, mostly through fake colleges which were used to bypass normal immigration criteria.
Yep. Like Manson being a piece of shit could be caused by MK ultra or it not have. The Gangster Whitey Bulger was also a part of it and he was doing fucked up shit before taking part. Crack in the inner cities and injecting people with HIV are actual shit the CIA did to America’s own citizens
You didn't dive very deep if you think the Canadian government is innocent in that. They not only knew about the experiments being done in Montreal, they helped fund them.
The CIA protected Manson, to allow him to remain free to threaten the Black Panthers. Chaos by Tom O’Neil blows this wide open. It was all a sham, intelligence killed those people
MK Ultra was real, but there is no evidence that Manson was involved. He was messed up from childhood. The idea that the CIA wanted him to do anything that he did is pure loony toons conspiracy theory. Deep dive into more reliable sources.
Very true. My rat fink uncle dated Lulu Van Houten briefly, so who knows what sort of alternative time line where they stuck together, he gets indoctrinated, he never married my aunt, and however-many-decades later I read Helter Skelter, and my only 6 degrees of separation to the murders is my grandmother having Steven Parent as a student (true story as well- when I asked her about him, she said he was pleasant, but often appeared to have been smoking grass before class).
The funny part is, if you believe FBI agent John e Douglas’s interpretation of Manson. He thinks Manson didn’t at all plan the killings, and that instead Tex Watson got far too overzealous. And then Manson had to act as if he planned all of this in order to not look like an idiot.
Manson was no stranger to violence, while true that his ‘ family’ committed the murders Manson displayed a sickening capacity for violence that he himself perpetrated. One specific example being when he himself cut Gary hinmans ear nearly off by slashing him in the face with a bayonet
My mom was in the Manson family. I assure you she was not dangerous, just a hippie who liked living on communes. That being said some people really bought into his shit and would do whatever he said
Manson was fairly harmless during his many stints in prison i remember in a book (CHAOS by Tom O'Neil) that when mansons sentence was up he asked if he could stay.
I met him (Danny Trejo) a few months ago on my flight. He was going from San Antonio back to his home in LA. After we landed and got to the gate he came up to ME and shook my hand. Super nice guy, very curious and genuine.
The meme highlights the shocking contrast between how Danny Trejo remembered Charles Manson as a harmless, weak inmate in jail and how he later became one of America's most notorious criminals.
Intriguing. Two unlikely figures meeting. What a contrast in history.
Hey, Peter here, in 1961, Trejo was imprisoned in LA County jail where he met Charles Manson. The future Cult leader Charles Manson. Trejo allegedly taught him how to play the steel guitar and Manson supposedly taught Trejo hypnosis. I believe Trejo remembered him as being a small, harmless, and playful guy, but he would later end up becoming a vicious cult leader.
He was convicted of 9 murders, including Sharon Tate. Despite not actually being physically present at any of them. It was his direct orders to have others commit them.
Edit: only one was first degree which i believe was Sharon Tate and her unborn child. The other 7 of them were conspiracy.
I think he’s one of those dudes that just start off life looking wayy older than they are- but they stay that way forever- so they look great as their peers start looking older lol
My pet theory for years has been that Richards OD'd decades ago but was far too high to realize it, so he just keeps going. Like Wile E. Coyote not looking down.
Unpopular opinion: Manson wasn’t the mastermind monster people imagine, he was a broken manipulator inflated by media hysteria into something far larger than he ever was.
His real power was limited, but media sensationalism amplified him into a cultural nightmare.
He was a dude on acid leading a commune of many minors who were consistently on acid. If you listen to the last podcast one the left coverage that’s basically the theory they put forward. They were hippies having a fun time, riding dune buggies in the desert, but no one can do acid like every day and not have psychological breakdowns. Then he, a lifelong criminal, put some really bad ideas in their heads they followed - ideas he only had cuz he was also on acid everyday. They had a long time to sober up in jail and they all regret it.
This is also the most entertaining podcast series of all time maybe
Now that led to Manson mastering hypnosis. It's so easy an outlaw convict can achieve it. Who knows how many masters of hypnotic mind control are out there using it for bad things
People give Manson way way too much credit. Watson, Krenwinkle and Van Houten were the evil ones. The only thing Manson did was know how to get drugs, pick up teenage girls and sing really mediocre folk songs.
God talking to older folk that lived in this area around when Charlie Manson was around is so dreadful. Everyone of em would say some variation of. "I used to ride my bike down that road and there I would see the Manson family"
Not only that, the Manson family lived in Dennis Wilson’s house for months. He had a lot of other concerning connections to influential people at the time, many related to that connection with Dennis but many just from living in and around Hollywood in that era. IIRC Manson even had connections to early scientology from his time in prison.
1961: Manson meets Trejo in prison, whom Trejo sizes up as being a small (Manson was 5'2" or 157.48 cm) unimposing weakling. At 5'6", Trejo, wasn't much taller. Trejo, who had several run-ins with drugs and the law for a period of a little over a decade, and his crew offer Manson protection. Manson, in turn, entertains them with his "hypnotic" abilities that help the others feel as if they're getting high on drugs.
1971: Trejo is on the road to recovery. He's been clean since 1969 and his days of being at odds with the law are over. Manson, on the other hand, is sent to prison for his role in the murder of actres Sharon Tate and 4 others.
The meme loses accuracy though because Trejo and Manson never met again after their initial shared stint in prison, so there was no rivalry nor rematch between them as the Kung Fu Panda reference suggests.
PS: Danny Trejo is widely known as a genuine nice guy, kind, and generous person, often called the "nicest tough guy in Hollywood," who uses his fame to give back, help people with addiction, and advocate for his community, despite his intimidating on-screen roles. People who meet him describe him as warm, approachable, and genuinely caring, often citing his extensive charity work, including helping at-risk youth and the homeless, as proof of his good heart.
Tom O'Neill book Chaos is a fantastic read. Took him 20 years of research and uncovered the whole MKUltra experiment and how Manson was, at the very least, some type of government project/agent. Probably not voluntarily, but very much part of the experiment. The book is a complete mindfuck as far as Government control and experiments on unknowing populace
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Danny Trejo trained Manson in the art of manipulation while they were in jail. It was with Danny’s guidance that Charles was able to become a cult leader.
However, Danny had gone through a spiritual reawakening since his time in prison. He tried to stop Charles from going down the path of darkness, but failed as Charles had become too powerful.
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The meme highlights the shocking contrast between how Danny Trejo remembered Charles Manson as a harmless, weak inmate in jail and how he later became one of America's most notorious criminals.
Manson was a weak harmless pussy, physically. He didn't have the stomach to follow through on his own horseshit, so he sent others like a coward.
As a cult leader, he was dangerous af because he was able to find dangerous people to surround himself with and fill their heads with his rose scented horseshit.
Idk, I remember watching an interview of Danny Trejo saying Manson was some master hypnotist, and could put hypnosis when they wanted to get "high" he could make people feel like they smoked weed, did heroin, meth, LSD or any drug. Amd then Trejos friend asked Manson to make him feel like he took heroin or something but it didn't work, and he said he asked him why, and Manson went on to explain thay he could only show them how they felt if they had taken the drug before. It was truly an interesting interview. After that, all those conspiracies about him being a sleeper agent or working for the Cia and MK ultra didn't seem so far-fetched.
Just watched a documentary on hbo about this
Do you remember the name?
Marley and Me
Fuuuuuck me
You know, that dog probably passed on in real life now. Also, the original doge doggo
Hey. Shut up. No dogs ever die, got it? GOT IT?!
If no dogs die, how do all dogs go to heaven? Checkmate, atheists
Dogs never die. They don’t know how too. They get tired, very old and their bones hurt. Of course they don’t die. If they did they would not want to always go for a walk, even long after their old bones say “No, no not a good idea. Let’s not go for a walk.” Nope, dogs always want to go for a walk. They might get one step before their aging tendons collapse them into a heap on the floor but that’s what dogs do. They walk.
You see, a walk with you is all there is. A walk with their best friend and the symphony of odor that the world is. Cat poop, another dog’s mark, a rotting chicken bone and you. That is what makes their world perfect and in a perfect world death as no place.
Dogs just get very, very sleepy. That is the thing you see. They don’t teach you that at the fancy university where they explain about quarks and economics. They know so much there that they forget that dogs never die. It is a shame really. Dogs have so much to offer and people just talk too much.
When you think your dog has died, it has really just fallen asleep in the world and now lives in your heart. And by the way, it is wagging its tail madly, you see, and that is why your chest hurts so much and you cry all the time. Who would not cry with a happy dog wagging its tail in their chest? Ouch! Wap, wap, wap, wap, wap, that hurts. But they only wag because they are so happy to be so close to you.
Whenever they wake up in your heart they wag their tail. After a few dog years, they sleep for longer periods of time and you will too. They were a GOOD DOG all their life and you both know it. It gets tiring being a good dog all the time, particularly when you get old and your bones hurt and you fall on your face and don’t want to go outside to pee when it is raining but they do because they are a good dog. So understand that after they have been sleeping in your heart, they will sleep longer and longer.
But don’t get fooled. They are not “dead”. There is no such thing, really. They are sleeping in your heart and when they wake up, usually when you are not expecting it. It is just who they are.
I feel sorry for people who don’t have dogs sleeping in their heart. They miss so much. Excuse me, I have to go cry now.
Edit: I didn't write this, I just found it on the internet many many years ago, not long after I lost my dog, and it touched my heart.
I am told the original author is called Ernest Montague, so all credit for any tears (sorry, allergies, onions etc) and fond rememberings of dogs gone by goes to him, and him alone.
Exactly! I’m always shocked that my dog is the first immortal Saint Bernard but some one had to be first and I believe it’s her.
It's okay man. Remember; All Dogs Go to Heaven
This is me when I realized max from the grinch with Jim Carey is gone, then I learned max was played by like 7 different dogs wth then I realized not just one max is dead but the whole roster
If that were true doesthedogdie.com wouldn't exist
It's been like 15 years since I read it but I swear the book already talked about life after his death.
I just jacked to this
I've jacked it twice since I've been here
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Always with a joke, Face. Always with a joke,
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Lol I wish I could upvote this twice
Wow
Lmfaaao
I'm halfway through and I'm starting to suspect I've been bamboozled.
No no, it's towards the end. Maybe a post credits scene. I forget exactly when.
Hahahahaha!
It's called Chaos: The Manson Murders and I believe it was on Netflix in the US. There's also a book, and if you're interested in this story I highly recommend reading, it's called CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties.
Both are good, but the book is more in depth. Keep in mind that this is a theory, so far.
What was the name? I wanna see what they had to say
That documentary made this meme click instantly
Lol that sounds like the most clowny ass shit. People believe what they want to believe.
No, you don't understand. Charles Manson was a Capricorn, the most powerful hypnotist of all zodiacs!
I thought Ted Cruz was the zodiac?
No, he's the son of the Zodiac killer
Boomers be boomin
Yeah can you imagine if things like cults or religions existed? Or worse, entire political movements that were underneath just a cult of personality? Hard to conceive
It sounds like he could get his followers "high" the same way people in... unusual churches think they can channel god and speak in tongues when guided by their head of church, by manipulating believers who already buy in to their routine.
that time period is rife with feds meddling, like that time a couple dudes were caught trafficking children and the the fed made the judge release them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Finders_(movement))
or them smuggling cocaine into the usa to sell to inner city people so they could use that money to fund overthrowing countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking
or that time they secretly fed over a hundred disabled children radioactive waste for over a decade just to see what would happen. that one Clinton made a formal apology for , or the time we aproached a bunch of poor black people and told them we would give them free check ups and free vaccines, except the "vaccines" were siphilis, just to see what would happen (at this tim syphilis had already had a cure invented) clinton also apologized for that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wju0wD9mK3Y
and my favorite part... is that every boomer, every gen x, every millenial, every gen z argues that all of this activity magicaly stopped, that the fed doesnt do secret experiments anymore, it doesnt traffic anymore, it doesnt promote cults etc. because they said, sowy
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This doesn’t make it any less fucked up but the U.S. Public Health Service didn’t infect black people with syphilis in the Tuskegee syphilis “experiment.” They identified 399 African American men with syphilis and then intentionally withheld treatment for 40 years even after penicillin was identified as the cure. Many of the men went on to infect their wives and some of their children were born with congenital syphilis.
Infecting people with radioactive isotopes and plutonium injections extended to orphans (disabled and otherwise) African Americans and people diagnosed (or in the case of the “most irradiated man in history” misdiagnosed) with terminal illnesses. They were injected plutonium and other isotopes without consent or notification and then studied for years. The guy who was wrongly diagnosed with terminal cancer and then dosed with a shitload of an isotope with a short half life (meaning it underwent radioactive decay faster than what they injected into most people and dumped that radiation into his body) was not viciously pretty fucked up both from the radiation and the botched exploratory surgeries where they removed to y of tissue and parts of his organs looking for a tumor that ended up being benign. The doctors told him he made a miraculous recovery from terminal cancer he didn’t have and then payed him to pee in bottles and put it behind his barn for a nurse to come collect so they could study his “miraculous recovery.” Really they just wanted to test his radioactive piss.
My sister was diagnosed around 1949 with cancer of the adrenal gland, she was a toddler. They hadn’t figured out dosage and it was for want of a better word “broad spectrum”. Treatments very very painful and Mom ended up being there for most of them. So she cried when she saw Mom. Apparently blood transfusions were pretty general as well. They didn’t talk about it much, she was their first. Dad was a scientist and Dad asked them questions about how they were using the radiation. He felt it was overused, burned the crap out of her.
Around this same time they used radiation to “cure” a veteran’s acne. He eventually lost his lower jaw.
They just went about it like using a jackhammer to drive a thumbtack.
My brother had a hernia operation around 1953 without anesthesia because the doctor thought kids didn’t feel pain as much. A common belief at that time. Kids weren’t the only group doctors believed felt pain less.
I do think there are far more restrictions. But even as late as the 1970’s or so I feel like the VA experimented on veterans.
Do I think sneaky crap still happens yes. Think about the concept that drugs, procedures and equipment were just relatively recently required to be tested on more than just white males (or have enough participants of various races and genders to predict outcomes for everyone). I heard recently (not researched) that the O2 sensor works more accurately on light skinned people than darker. It will show higher O2 levels on dark skin. So a patient might be in more distress than indicated.
And the current administration has rolled back DEI requirements in government, I’m fairly sure this includes testing.
I appreciate the info and sources.
Yup and let’s not forget MK ULTRA and Ted Kasynzki (the Unabomber)
I really appericate you throwing links to this stuff. Tip of the hat fellow historian
Not sarcasm. Lol
They 100% still do.
Problem is you need people who have a weak spirit to overpower, and many people are willing to give it up easily since we're in a pretty fucked up world and most people are weak. Poverty, trauma, isolation all make it easier. Same way people fall for any cult or fall into drug abuse
Agree, some people are just born into horrible environments, or fall into one through no fault of their own, and a lot of them aren't lucky enough to get out of it.
I was hypothesized once at the renaissance faire
Except I wasn’t really hypnotized at all I just thought it’d be fun to go along with the bit so my friends thought it was real
Isn't this the basis of hypnotism? Power of suggestion?
Yes you are correct, it only works as much as you want it to work.
But Danny said he started using heroin when he was 15 years old.
It was an error. It was his cell mate
It’s like with Hypnosis. If the subject wants to be hypnotized it will work. It the person only wants to prove someone wrong it doesn’t. Basically a mental placebo.
The placebo is a fascinating phenomenon, but it's not a conscious effect.
Bro def learned some shit from getting mk ultra'd
Ok, but he didn't need his muscles to do any of that, he used his charisma and intellect. That's what the dude above you is saying. Physically Manson wasn't scary, but he knew how to use his brain to destroy you.
This is also told in Trejo’s book. Great read if you haven’t already read it.
can't make it feel something it has not felt before
Manson was a pretty high up scientologyst back in the day
Read the book Chaos. It's 100% true and crazy af
Manson was MK-Ultra'd. Your government made and sent him.
to what, to send a bunch of hippies to kill a few rich actors? that doesn't sounds like something the CIA would need a huge secret project for...
Charles Manson wanted to bring about a race war, actually. That's what his Helter Skelter was all about. The murders were supposed to be blamed on black people.
At that time specifically there was a lot of racial tensions. You had right wing extremists stocking up weapons for the race war - the Minutemen i.e. You had other groups in the black community like the SLA, preparing as well.
These were things that were not talked about publicly - but in prison where Manson came from, that's what people talked about. So, when he did, he was just talking about what other people were talking about, because he felt he had secret knowledge. So, he did not want to start it specifically, he actually believed it was happening.
Helter Skelter was constructed to give the persecution a motive to tie it all together. It is full of flaws. Even the claim that he was a cult leader is probably exaggerated, when he more likely was a really messed up, but very charismatic person who had some influence over the group, but probably not all.
He was favored by the group and put into a role, like a crazy sage - just as the other members of the group were put into roles - but these were not dictated by Manson specifically. In reality, the group was probably more a group of messed up individuals who shared no commonality besides drugs and living outside of society as outcasts and organized themselves a bit sporadically.
Manson did have his own cause in his own mind, this was ATWA, but it never caught on specifically because it was an eco-terrorist pseudo-spiritual ideology. It had nothing to do with race wars - that was a contemporary commentary to society, and although also a bit exaggerated, not without it's cause.
He didn't preach this specifically to get people to join the group... He got the girls of the group to sleep with people so that they could party. He was a low level pimp in reality, even before he met the group. They did messed up things, and those who stuck around, stuck around.
And since they killed Tate - and in a gruesome way, this caught specific attention of the public. But still... Gruesome murders were not that rare at the time and didn't caught that much attention until they were sensational in any way, like a serial killer on the loose - or if a famous person died. They were caught, and they took a chance for the attention they were getting, to dial it all up to eleven.
Not saying he was a pleasant person at all, but how it is all portrayed is probably wrong.
I thought Helter Skelter was debunked?
What is there to debunk?
A few rich actors AND an heiress to Folgers Coffee.
Wait, did he butterfly effect'd that commercial, in some way?
As of now he 100% did in my mind, thank you for the new head canon.
“Your brother isn’t coming back next time so y’all better fuck”
MK Ultra was done on thousands of people, including victims in Canada. Your country doesn't give a damn and has been evil for a century before Trump came along.
Go deep dive it.
Ah, Canadian Nationalism to go along with the rampant and systemic racism in Canada.
Go deep dive it.
I could give you a pointer, search into Lincoln Park military base, and its connections to the program
Edit- and Harley pasternak.
Lol I just read a Canadian commenter complaining about all the Indian immigrants in Canada. Sounded just like all the anti-immigrant bullshit I've been listening to for years in America.
The proportion heres was quite a bit bigger. We had a couple years where the population grew by almost 3% in a year, mostly through fake colleges which were used to bypass normal immigration criteria.
Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout.
They never claimed Canada wasn't evil in their comment so your whataboutism is nonsense.
uh... I'm mexican, bro. but of the ridiculously large list of US evils... Manson ain't one.
Yep. Like Manson being a piece of shit could be caused by MK ultra or it not have. The Gangster Whitey Bulger was also a part of it and he was doing fucked up shit before taking part. Crack in the inner cities and injecting people with HIV are actual shit the CIA did to America’s own citizens
The Unabomber was also a victim of MKUltra.
This is absolutely true. I believe it was "private mental Harvard studies". Which is of course, like Manson, MKUltra.
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You didn't dive very deep if you think the Canadian government is innocent in that. They not only knew about the experiments being done in Montreal, they helped fund them.
So should i just duckuckgo "US is evil" and keep clicking? Sounds fun
The CIA protected Manson, to allow him to remain free to threaten the Black Panthers. Chaos by Tom O’Neil blows this wide open. It was all a sham, intelligence killed those people
I do believe that, they've boosted white supremacists groups since their creation.
Are you thinking of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber? It's been proven that he had contact with MK ULTRA.
The victims of MK Ultra were thousands and went across borders. Tons of Canadian victims. Go deep dive it.
Those Canadians had it coming.
We in Americans will NEVER forget what you monsters did during King Philip's War.
MK Ultra was real, but there is no evidence that Manson was involved. He was messed up from childhood. The idea that the CIA wanted him to do anything that he did is pure loony toons conspiracy theory. Deep dive into more reliable sources.
what, bro?
Where's your proof and source? Unabomber is the one that was MK-Ultra
people rly just say whatever on this app lmao
You’re MK-Ultra’d. The tech got so good that we do it to ourselves now.
Very true. My rat fink uncle dated Lulu Van Houten briefly, so who knows what sort of alternative time line where they stuck together, he gets indoctrinated, he never married my aunt, and however-many-decades later I read Helter Skelter, and my only 6 degrees of separation to the murders is my grandmother having Steven Parent as a student (true story as well- when I asked her about him, she said he was pleasant, but often appeared to have been smoking grass before class).
Imagine if we had someone like that as president.
How does such a small guy convince guys more dangerous than him to do what he said?
He got them high and laid.
The funny part is, if you believe FBI agent John e Douglas’s interpretation of Manson. He thinks Manson didn’t at all plan the killings, and that instead Tex Watson got far too overzealous. And then Manson had to act as if he planned all of this in order to not look like an idiot.
Manson was no stranger to violence, while true that his ‘ family’ committed the murders Manson displayed a sickening capacity for violence that he himself perpetrated. One specific example being when he himself cut Gary hinmans ear nearly off by slashing him in the face with a bayonet
That sounds oddly congruent with current events...
I literally until just right now thought this meme was referencing Marilyn Manson and i was so confused
“Rose scented horseshit” I’m using that one, thanks.
He didn’t find dangerous people. He found impressionable people and made them dangerous
Sounds like a tangerine felon I know…
My mom was in the Manson family. I assure you she was not dangerous, just a hippie who liked living on communes. That being said some people really bought into his shit and would do whatever he said
Manson was fairly harmless during his many stints in prison i remember in a book (CHAOS by Tom O'Neil) that when mansons sentence was up he asked if he could stay.
Weird thing is Danny Trejo is pretty short so I can only assume charles Manson is a midget
He’s pretty small. 5’2”
I met him (Danny Trejo) a few months ago on my flight. He was going from San Antonio back to his home in LA. After we landed and got to the gate he came up to ME and shook my hand. Super nice guy, very curious and genuine.
For sure I’ve seen nothing but good things about him since I was a kid.
Manson was shorter than 5ft wasn’t he? No way that guy scared anyone in jail
He was 5'2".
Holy crap Danny Trejo is way older than I thought
I mean. Charles wasn't exactly ever imposing or physically dangerous.
He was quite literally a harmless weak inmate. The problem is he convinced a bunch of teens to stab people.
Qa sa
Intriguing. Two unlikely figures meeting. What a contrast in history.
Hey, Peter here, in 1961, Trejo was imprisoned in LA County jail where he met Charles Manson. The future Cult leader Charles Manson. Trejo allegedly taught him how to play the steel guitar and Manson supposedly taught Trejo hypnosis. I believe Trejo remembered him as being a small, harmless, and playful guy, but he would later end up becoming a vicious cult leader.
Peter out
TIL Danny Trejo is 81 yo. Damn'
What the hell
And only a few years ago he made the news for stopping to pull strangers out of a car crash.
I recently listened to his autobiography on Spotify which he narrated three years ago. He sounds old as shit in it. It's really good though
He looks good for fucking 81
Thanks, what happened in 1971?
His big murder trial
My Dad was in a cell next to Manson in Folsom prison in the 70's. I don't remember what he said about him, but he did talk to the guy.
He was convicted of 9 murders, including Sharon Tate. Despite not actually being physically present at any of them. It was his direct orders to have others commit them.
Edit: only one was first degree which i believe was Sharon Tate and her unborn child. The other 7 of them were conspiracy.
He killed Sharron tate and her unborn in child.
Once upon a time in hollywood(movie) is a alternate ending of this incident.
So maybe the hypnosis worked.
Crap, too early for the comments!
Come back now
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I haven’t seen this in ages. Thank you :’)
Thank you, friend!
I didn’t know Danny Trejo was that old
Dude's 81.
Wow, he looks excellent.
I think he’s one of those dudes that just start off life looking wayy older than they are- but they stay that way forever- so they look great as their peers start looking older lol
Hate to jink it, but look for pictures of Keith Richards in the early 70's. He looked exactly the same for 40+ years.
My pet theory for years has been that Richards OD'd decades ago but was far too high to realize it, so he just keeps going. Like Wile E. Coyote not looking down.
I’ve looked like I was in my 40s since I was in my late teens. Now that I’m 40 I finally look luke I’m supposed to
Fingers crossed you Patrick Stewart it for the rest of your life.
My wife is 8 years older than me but all her relatives and friends think that I am older than her. She has good genes. Me? Maybe not so good.
You just reminded of another actor who has been old my entire life 😂.
Morgan freeman, jeremy irons, michael caine, and now danny trejo.
You should have seen him 50 years ago
That's wild that Danny Trejo is that old to have been locked with Charles Manson
Some actors are just that old.
Samuel L Jackson was an usher at Martin Luther kings funeral.
He's 81 born May 16th 1944.
Explanation aside, lets not forget Danny trejo is the goat
Unpopular opinion: Manson wasn’t the mastermind monster people imagine, he was a broken manipulator inflated by media hysteria into something far larger than he ever was. His real power was limited, but media sensationalism amplified him into a cultural nightmare.
He was a dude on acid leading a commune of many minors who were consistently on acid. If you listen to the last podcast one the left coverage that’s basically the theory they put forward. They were hippies having a fun time, riding dune buggies in the desert, but no one can do acid like every day and not have psychological breakdowns. Then he, a lifelong criminal, put some really bad ideas in their heads they followed - ideas he only had cuz he was also on acid everyday. They had a long time to sober up in jail and they all regret it.
This is also the most entertaining podcast series of all time maybe
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/last-podcast-on-the-left/id437299706?i=1000381569130
trejo used to be manson's mentor..trejo teach him guitar..but now..
Now that led to Manson mastering hypnosis. It's so easy an outlaw convict can achieve it. Who knows how many masters of hypnotic mind control are out there using it for bad things
Trejo is a talented actor though, not your typical ex con. Wouldn’t be surprised if there is overlap in the skills.
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People give Manson way way too much credit. Watson, Krenwinkle and Van Houten were the evil ones. The only thing Manson did was know how to get drugs, pick up teenage girls and sing really mediocre folk songs.
God talking to older folk that lived in this area around when Charlie Manson was around is so dreadful. Everyone of em would say some variation of. "I used to ride my bike down that road and there I would see the Manson family"
He wrote music with The Beach Boys too. He could have ended up being a Weinstein if he played it out differently.
Not only that, the Manson family lived in Dennis Wilson’s house for months. He had a lot of other concerning connections to influential people at the time, many related to that connection with Dennis but many just from living in and around Hollywood in that era. IIRC Manson even had connections to early scientology from his time in prison.
1961: Manson meets Trejo in prison, whom Trejo sizes up as being a small (Manson was 5'2" or 157.48 cm) unimposing weakling. At 5'6", Trejo, wasn't much taller. Trejo, who had several run-ins with drugs and the law for a period of a little over a decade, and his crew offer Manson protection. Manson, in turn, entertains them with his "hypnotic" abilities that help the others feel as if they're getting high on drugs.
1971: Trejo is on the road to recovery. He's been clean since 1969 and his days of being at odds with the law are over. Manson, on the other hand, is sent to prison for his role in the murder of actres Sharon Tate and 4 others.
The meme loses accuracy though because Trejo and Manson never met again after their initial shared stint in prison, so there was no rivalry nor rematch between them as the Kung Fu Panda reference suggests.
PS: Danny Trejo is widely known as a genuine nice guy, kind, and generous person, often called the "nicest tough guy in Hollywood," who uses his fame to give back, help people with addiction, and advocate for his community, despite his intimidating on-screen roles. People who meet him describe him as warm, approachable, and genuinely caring, often citing his extensive charity work, including helping at-risk youth and the homeless, as proof of his good heart.
Finally. Thank you
If you had just read the comments, you might have understood
The OP you got this from literally explained the joke in their post, come on.
Tom O'Neill book Chaos is a fantastic read. Took him 20 years of research and uncovered the whole MKUltra experiment and how Manson was, at the very least, some type of government project/agent. Probably not voluntarily, but very much part of the experiment. The book is a complete mindfuck as far as Government control and experiments on unknowing populace
Finally a good fucking post on here
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They were in jail together, and Charlie would hypnotize inmates into herion highs, this made Charlie King of the Jail….
BTW it would not work if you had not done heroin prior
Danny Trejo trained Manson in the art of manipulation while they were in jail. It was with Danny’s guidance that Charles was able to become a cult leader.
However, Danny had gone through a spiritual reawakening since his time in prison. He tried to stop Charles from going down the path of darkness, but failed as Charles had become too powerful.
It is Danny’s biggest regret.
r/HistoryMemes requires posters to include the context of their memes in the comments. You could have just read the context from the meme’s own creator.
Not my dumbass thinking:
The fuck does Marilyn Manson have to do wirh with Danny Trejo?
Then I re-read it. XD
These aren’t even jokes anymore. Just extremely obscure references with a light then dark meme. Like every one of them. Getting pretty lame.
I just found out
His height is sometimes given as 5 foot 2 inches tall. Manson insisted that he stood over 5 foot 6 inches tall.
Man was the govts fault.
If you got this off of r/historymemes, then they literally explain it In the comments
Trejo met him in jail and said he was a pretty good guy, very fun and skilled with hypnosis