At bottom is a passionate nationalism. Allied to it is a conspiratorial and Manichean view of history as a battle between the good and evil camps, between the pure and the corrupt, in which one’s own community or nation has been the victim. In this Darwinian narrative, the chosen people have been weakened by political parties, social classes, unassimilable minorities, spoiled rentiers, and rationalist thinkers who lack the necessary sense of community.
Definitely but if your perception of “woke people” is just based on the most unhinged left-wing twitter users circa 2022 (and people similar to this), I can see how someone would perceive the left in this way, unfortunately. It’s just that inevitably, with any large enough group of people, some are bound to be some that can be used to portray the entire group negatively.
If you watch Fox News (and I don’t suggest you do), one thing they devote a lot of time to is finding some random person on the left saying something unreasonable (or more frequently taking someone out of context to make them look unreasonable) and then acting like it’s Democratic Party policy.
It’s the same thing they do against immigrants. Like, even though immigrants statistically are much less likely to commit crime, there are still inevitably some who do, and right wing media amplifies the fuck out of the news story whenever this happens so that people perceive immigrants as more likely to be violent.
-Moving out of an area could be a white flight if you're doing it specifically to avoid POC.
Gentrification is more of a large-scale alteration of an area to make it for the rich and push out the poor. It's not individuals
-You should "see color" in the sense that you should acknowledge that different races and ethnicities have different cultural beliefs and experiences in society while also not treating anyone differently.
-Engaging in culture that is not your own is not inherently cultural appropriation. That's taking another culture and molding it to fit your culture.
-Embracing your own culture (either ancestral or American "white culture") is fine as long as you don't act like your culture is superior to anyone else's. American white people do have a specific cultural identity like any ethnic group, a culture of under seasoning food and being generally basic, but that IS a culture.
I’ve always disagreed with the idea of “white culture”. Minority and immigrant groups have more obvious cultures because they’re maintaining something traditional while accepting something new they’re a part of. That’s true for recent European immigrants. An Italian or a Russian isn’t really thinking his culture is ubiquitous of his skin color, he’s thinking his culture is a national and personal identity.
I think white people see Black culture, this very fiercely protected culture that does everything it can to preserve its pre-colonial West African roots and its unique emergent identity to juxtapose itself against a system that in living memory put them down for their skin color, and they want a piece of that. They think everyone should have that. You can have that, but we don’t, because we have no reason to. The argument is more about putting down black history month, Asian history month etc than it is about making a white history month. Plenty of non-problematic white people to be reverent of. Plenty of “white” culture to celebrate, if you mean your European roots. You can love that you’re Italian and share your food and music and art with people, without insisting that Christopher Columbus is an unproblematic hero.
But in my view, America just doesn’t have white culture. It has regional culture. A black guy and a white guy from Mississippi are likely to have more in common than two white guys from different parts of the country. We shouldn’t really build our identities around immutable characteristics, that sort of thing validates division and oppression.
Again, this clearly shows you need to be a bit dimwitted to be a conservative. Information cannot be complex, like branches in a flow chart, or their toddler-brains will malfunction.
A social media post from someone with a flag profile picture with god, America, patriot, and family in their name being a racist pos? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! Next you'll tell me they voted for Trump.
Nuance is woke
It’s possible to do literally any of the things in the first line without being racist if you’re not racist
Definitely but if your perception of “woke people” is just based on the most unhinged left-wing twitter users circa 2022 (and people similar to this), I can see how someone would perceive the left in this way, unfortunately. It’s just that inevitably, with any large enough group of people, some are bound to be some that can be used to portray the entire group negatively.
If you watch Fox News (and I don’t suggest you do), one thing they devote a lot of time to is finding some random person on the left saying something unreasonable (or more frequently taking someone out of context to make them look unreasonable) and then acting like it’s Democratic Party policy.
It’s the same thing they do against immigrants. Like, even though immigrants statistically are much less likely to commit crime, there are still inevitably some who do, and right wing media amplifies the fuck out of the news story whenever this happens so that people perceive immigrants as more likely to be violent.
-Moving out of an area could be a white flight if you're doing it specifically to avoid POC.
Gentrification is more of a large-scale alteration of an area to make it for the rich and push out the poor. It's not individuals
-You should "see color" in the sense that you should acknowledge that different races and ethnicities have different cultural beliefs and experiences in society while also not treating anyone differently.
-Engaging in culture that is not your own is not inherently cultural appropriation. That's taking another culture and molding it to fit your culture.
-Embracing your own culture (either ancestral or American "white culture") is fine as long as you don't act like your culture is superior to anyone else's. American white people do have a specific cultural identity like any ethnic group, a culture of under seasoning food and being generally basic, but that IS a culture.
I’ve always disagreed with the idea of “white culture”. Minority and immigrant groups have more obvious cultures because they’re maintaining something traditional while accepting something new they’re a part of. That’s true for recent European immigrants. An Italian or a Russian isn’t really thinking his culture is ubiquitous of his skin color, he’s thinking his culture is a national and personal identity.
I think white people see Black culture, this very fiercely protected culture that does everything it can to preserve its pre-colonial West African roots and its unique emergent identity to juxtapose itself against a system that in living memory put them down for their skin color, and they want a piece of that. They think everyone should have that. You can have that, but we don’t, because we have no reason to. The argument is more about putting down black history month, Asian history month etc than it is about making a white history month. Plenty of non-problematic white people to be reverent of. Plenty of “white” culture to celebrate, if you mean your European roots. You can love that you’re Italian and share your food and music and art with people, without insisting that Christopher Columbus is an unproblematic hero.
But in my view, America just doesn’t have white culture. It has regional culture. A black guy and a white guy from Mississippi are likely to have more in common than two white guys from different parts of the country. We shouldn’t really build our identities around immutable characteristics, that sort of thing validates division and oppression.
Yes, if a white person sees color... as a problem.
Again, this clearly shows you need to be a bit dimwitted to be a conservative. Information cannot be complex, like branches in a flow chart, or their toddler-brains will malfunction.
I'm not quite sure how to take this. "If a white person" has a toddler's understanding of reality? As a white person, that's pretty fucking offensive.
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A social media post from someone with a flag profile picture with god, America, patriot, and family in their name being a racist pos? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! Next you'll tell me they voted for Trump.