They call it an apartment building because if they called it a human zoo that would be fucking stupid and wrong, just like calling cities concentration camps.
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Actually, that does exist! Or existed. The living room is called that as marketing ploy to change the usability of what was the Victorian era parlor when it was used as the Death Room.
It was called that because it was spacious enough to have the casket there whenever a family member died and the funeral was held at home. So, it was far later changed to sell houses that had rooms where you would largely live in with the entertainment center there, etc.
I had one, and it was great. I walked down there several times to pick up stuff we either missed or to just get stuff for a quick dinner.
Then it closed and years later the building was demolished. It's just a vacant lot now and odds are because of NIMBY nothing will ever be built there again, even if it might be a good location with all the houses there.
My dad asked to park his big rig there and the then store owner said while he didn't mind people around it would call the police when he allowed it, so I know NIMBY would kill any possible construction, especially since we got neighbor complaints when our well was being redrilled.
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This is a weird obsession with people I work with. I just don’t understand what they think will be taken away from them. It’s just changing zoning laws and city planning to improve services and reduce reliance on cars. No one seems to be able to articulate why they are scared besides some, my freedom stuff.
They've been convinced by conspiracy theory grifters like Alex Jones that you will not be allowed to travel anywhere outside the 15 minute range from your home.
People do seem to want to price the poor out of owning cars by raising the taxes and making them pay for being stuck in traffic. How do they expect us to be able to get to work without cars without moving from our houses outside the cities into tiny city apartments where we can actually get on the bus?
More like levy the fair amount of fees on car users so people without cars don't have to subsidize them. Poor people without cars (by choice or not) are getting screwed by car dependency much more than poor people with cars.
The poor American is scared of using a bus! Omg, how will he be able to live 50 miles away from Chicago and still work in Downtown Chicacago without his car! We just need a few more lanes and traffic will flow!
Also, don't built a BRT lane or something because that's taking space from the cars.
I'm finnish and I use the fucking bus daily. But it only comes and goes outside the city limits from 6 to 18, and doesn't come at all on weekends and is extremely limited outside city limits in summer when children aren't in schools. And there's no night buses anywhere except the capital.
I'm still studying, but my father for example couldn't get home from work from evening shift if he couldn't afford a car, and his pay is already not great. Same for lots of other people with shift jobs who live outside city limits because it's cheaper and generally better otherwise. Lose your car, lose your job. The job market situation is already bad.
Is it lose your car lose your job or is it that you don't want to live close to your job? If the bus could pick you up at a reasonable speed, why not ask for more buses? Do you think you have some god given right to live in a remote rural area, and commute to the city every day?
Car infrastructure is costly. It takes resources. The government shouldn't subsidize your desire to live far away from work. They should make sure people can work and live well, which may mean apartments near job sites, and obviously means that there are paths for quick travel, given that enough people need to go from one area to another. You should pay back in taxes what you use in road construction and maintenance.
Remote, my ass. 25 kilometers to the city at most. Even the bus only takes around 30 minutes. But they're never going to have night bus, not even within city limits.
And I do think people have the right to live in a house instead of a super expensive one room rent flat, which is generally all you can get in a city. Did you know people have families?
If it takes 30 minutes to get from your house to work via bus, it seems like instead of crying about how 15 minute cities are going to take your car away and force you to move to small apartment, you could just demand longer service. You're gonna lose your job if the busses run for a while longer?
Oh no, I get it, it is completely and utterly impossible for the bus to run from 6 AM to 10 PM on weekdays and 7 AM to 9 PM on the weekends. Or worse, from 6 AM to 12 AM on the weekends and 4 AM to 1AM on the weekends.
And if anyone asks for this to happen, they are trying to take your car away, which will make you lose your job!
Yes that would be great for the economy and for the stability of the country in general. And when you ask these asshats a simple question like “who exactly wants this and how does it benefit them?” it quickly spirals off the rails
Okay, so I want to preface this as being merely a thought experiment inspired by this thread, and that I'm all for walkable cities and reducing the reliance we have on cars, as I think that's our best shot in many, many ways.
however
How quickly a fascist government can turn the people's resources against them (think ICE) is actually interesting reason for concern. Now, you might think: resistance efforts could be more effective if a tight knit community had sufficient numbers, making walkable cities more resilient. That's likely true. However - all it would take would be a pandemic that affects the able bodied to shift things dramatically. The proximity of cities becomes a disadvantage, communities are ravaged. All a fascist government would have to do next to extend their own control is to create checkpoints and quarantine zones in the streets.
Yes, this is kind of like the videogame Half Life.
No, I don't think we can afford not to invest in car-free planning and infrastructure.
I would still live in a walkable city 100% of the time given the opportunity and need.
I was just trying to put myself in their shoes, and it was a fun and dark thought that came to mind. Thanks for reading!
Buddy, it’s going to be more like brave new world than 1984. They don’t need to do all that bullshit to keep people in line. Half the country is already willing to murder the other half. Gambling, porn, video games … the elites are happy with the way things are there’s no reason to do this …
The irony is that the REAL conspiracy already exists, and it's the conspiracy to force us into car-dependent suburbia with strict zoning laws. But somehow these knuckleheads become convinced that efforts to INCREASE freedom and choice in housing and transit is somehow a 1984-esque conspiracy to control people.
I'm urban Canadian, and even then I don't live within 15 minutes of a decent grocery store. (There's the more boujie store but I cant afford to pay 300% on dubious goods.) It's still walkable or doable within public transit! I usually use the weekend to grab the "big groceries" (milk, eggs, bread, cottage cheese) and then grab the discounted stuff at the ethnic markets ($1 heirloom cherry tomatoes? Yes please) or grab them when I grab my medicines. (Chronic illness can bite my butt.)
I dont like driving and drivers here act like they own the roads and are so aggressive (I think it shifted post pandemic because people were sick of everything falling apart especially public transit)...and that's not to mention that the bike couriers scare me to death even when walking.
But my mum is one of those people who can't walk 200 steps (shitty general fitness) and she was exhausted just traveling by public transit...so if you take away her car...
Except they don't believe in any of those unless it's a suburb. Coz the wrong people will benefit from lower taxes!! And the kids won't be safe WALKING to school!
The entire thing is build on so many levels of paranoia even having a grocery store you don't have to lock yourself in a car to reach, and having people just shopping around enclose to your house feels like danger of being murdered.
I doubt any of them could point this out and I think they're afraid of change in general but I think it basically falls along NIMBY lines. Their neighborhoods might have buildings with an extra floor and their drive to work might take an extra 5 seconds because of a bus lane.
It's classic reactionary, complain about the problems but then don't allow discussion or any new ideas to solve those problems.
The right wing grift machine told them it was bad so they have to hate it. They have no idea why they have to hate it only that they do. There isn't a wink of critical thinking from them.
They are already in hock to the current system. It's singular organizing principle is the cultivation of dependence. Escaping it would imply requiring the acceptance of the loss of sunk costs, but really, those are being depreciated every year anyhow.
My mom is terrified of “15 minute cities”. We live in a village; it’s literally an 8 minute city. We have the grocery store, library, churches, laundromat, gas station, vet clinic, human clinic, schools, 4 restaurants, farmers market, 4 bars, hair salon, coffee shop, flower shop, axe throwing place, all within an 8 minute walk or less.
One document for a 15 minute city in one country once purposed fining people who drove out of their district over... I think it was 250 times in one year? And now every conspiracy theorist thinks it's the end times.
That's just driving, you could still take trains and other transportation, they just wanted to reduce the amount people drive far distances and again, it didn't go past a single purpose of a list.
“The year is 2030, I don’t own anything, and I’ve never been happier”. I think it extends beyond car ownership and zoning laws. We’re at a point in time where many of the things we once owned are turning into SaaS models. The biggest one being real estate.
Not just European cities, other places that conservative Americans like to visit! Disney is a 15 minute city! Any picturesque old timey American tourist town is a 15 minute city! The versions of their hometowns that boomers feel nostalgic for are 15 minute cities!!!
Jup. Conservatieve Amerikanen vinden het blijkbaar fijn om een uur in de file te staan als je een pak melk bent vergeten en zijn bang voor lokale, kleinschalige winkels.
It's so hilarious that people in Europe adopted this conspiracy. Most of them don't even understand, that they already live in a 15 minute city.
I know people without cars living in German cities who argue against 15 minute cities!
When you ask those people "Is there a supermarket, a general practitioner and an elementary school within walking distance of your home?" they are confused because you "changed the subject"
They seem to think that because American urban design is so shit that people need a car it provides a bulkwark against some nebulous enviro-fascist that want to force everyone to stay locked down at home, the pandemic seems to have especially made them go rabid.
The gun industry thrives on spreading rumors like this. Obama/Biden/Clinton are coming for your guns, want to lock you up in camps, and are going to end voting! Meanwhile, they dump money into the campaigns of politicians who wipe their asses with the constitution.
There has to be some sort of astroturf campaign from car manufacturers behind this, right? Being able to walk to the grocery store and school is exactly the throw-back to older Americana these people typically love.
Totally agree! It must be either the oil barons or the car manufacturers because the same folks who are against the 15 minute cities hare public transit.
Americans seem obsessed with comparing themselves to holocaust victims, at least since the corona. Idk if they did it before the corona, but I've seen it a lot since 2020.
El Salvador is out of sight, out of mind, I guess.
Or because they haven't seen them, they don't believe they exist. Rightwingers in general and conspiracy theorists in particular deny the existence of basically anything they haven't personally witnessed.
I was going to comment something about the living conditions in Auschwitz compared to 'smart cities' in a humorous way, but I changed my mind when I thought about it. Completely awful comparison.
Even in their disingenuous attempt to conflate smart cities with concentration camps, they undermine their own attempt by asserting that it's a choice to live in a smart city ("people won't WANT to live there").
Either through misunderstanding or outright lies, certain groups believe that modern urban planning will restrict people from traveling outside a given neighborhood or choosing to live elsewhere.
Commonly, increased density = cramped hellhole in their minds, so residents thus will be “concentrated” in “terrible conditions” like in WWII.
Americans cannot conceive of a 15 minute stroll to the shops, fuck me. You can still have leave the house without mowing half a dozen children down in your killdozer. It's actually nice and good for you, so I understand why the average right wing yank is so against it.
It’s so strange how so many people need a conspiracy to believe in instead of just… looking at what’s in front of them. We’re living in such a weird time.
In ninth grade, me and my class visited a WW2 concentration camp. The piles of hair, piles of shoes and the piles of clothes. And the smell that still lingered in the furnace building, i probably never will forget it.
What's even the supposed motive for this, like ah yes we have trapped our own citizens in their city, costing us trillions and requiring we basically employ half the population to have enough people to guard all the city exits, we have done this cus uh, we don't want you visiting your grandma?
Conservative backlash to the idea of 15 minute cities/smart cities
They believe people won't be allowed outside their "zone" or further than 15 minutes from their home and will be assigned a place to live rather than choosing
I see. I mean I have seen some things about smart cities basically just being a place for giant tech companies to spy on people better. Like a glorified company town (if that's the type of smart city being referred to). If we're just talking about places that are easily walkable with good public transit there's really no issue. Either way it's so classic for right wingers to protest things that should be protested but for the complete wrong reason or just protest things because they have no idea what they're actually upset about.
I don't know, maybe? If it had affordable housing, decent jobs, good public transportation and safe streets then yeah, I probably would live there even if they called it "concentration camp city".
Well yeah because a smart city is a smart city and a concentration camp is a concentration camp. And if my grandmother had wheels would have been a bike yknow
Dear god, I just want everywhere I live to have somewhere I can walk to without driving first and access to food so I don't have to drive 30 min round trip if I forget an ingredient on winter nights. My current place is one for two, leagues better than my last place, where I was trapped when my car broke down.
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15 minute cities sure. Smart cities with cameras and surveillance I tend to agree with them. If you think I’m being dramatic look up flock and Amazon Sidewalk.
I know a guy who lives in public housing in the inner city who's all paranoid about 15 minute cities, as well as vaccines, 5k, trans people...yeah, one of those.
Got really furious when I asked "so, how far away's the library/buses/supermarket then?"
I live within 15 minutes of a grocery store, but I have to walk across a 5 lane, 45mph moat with no crossing signal or paint to get there. The post office is 17 minutes, but that seems a bit moot.
There's nothing else for the previous 14 minutes but houses and traffic, and it really doesn't feel like freedom.
Ads and marketing aren’t the traditional methods of induction into a concentration camp, but hey, it’s the 21st century, who knows what will actually happen this time?
It’s called Icecream, because if they called it poop cream, you might not want to eat it
It's called Restroom, because if they called it Death Room, you might not want to go in there.
This really says something about our society
Realllllly makes you think
But if it was "realllly making you fatally electrocute yourself", people wouldn't do it 🤔
They call it an apartment building because if they called it a human zoo that would be fucking stupid and wrong, just like calling cities concentration camps.
The restrooms at my store ARE death rooms, it's about 900 degrees in there cause they were made without return ducts
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Actually, that does exist! Or existed. The living room is called that as marketing ploy to change the usability of what was the Victorian era parlor when it was used as the Death Room.
It was called that because it was spacious enough to have the casket there whenever a family member died and the funeral was held at home. So, it was far later changed to sell houses that had rooms where you would largely live in with the entertainment center there, etc.
my lactose intolerant ass already calls it poop cream
If you keep the cone you get to eat the ice cream two times. Yummers.
What a terrible day to have eyes
Good thing I don't know how to read.
2 girls 1 cone?
How about sorbet?
This is so childish but i cant help but laugh. Now take my upvote.
Might become more enticing for some
Do you know who else wanted you to have a grocery store within walking distance?
My mom!
Wooooo
Fellow Regular Show fan!
But has Skips seen it before?
Could it be... SATAN?
Obama's tan suit, isn't it?
Obama's tan suit is responsible for all the bad that is, was, and ever will be.
Say tan = Satan
It’s all so obvious!!!
Everyone?
I had one, and it was great. I walked down there several times to pick up stuff we either missed or to just get stuff for a quick dinner.
Then it closed and years later the building was demolished. It's just a vacant lot now and odds are because of NIMBY nothing will ever be built there again, even if it might be a good location with all the houses there.
My dad asked to park his big rig there and the then store owner said while he didn't mind people around it would call the police when he allowed it, so I know NIMBY would kill any possible construction, especially since we got neighbor complaints when our well was being redrilled.
I read this in the youth pastor voice, and I think my answer is therefore different from what was intended.
The products and services who support this podcast?
Robert noooooo.
What Sophie, that was a perfect transition. I didn’t accuse any members of any religious or ethnic minorities of doing anything.
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This is a weird obsession with people I work with. I just don’t understand what they think will be taken away from them. It’s just changing zoning laws and city planning to improve services and reduce reliance on cars. No one seems to be able to articulate why they are scared besides some, my freedom stuff.
They've been convinced by conspiracy theory grifters like Alex Jones that you will not be allowed to travel anywhere outside the 15 minute range from your home.
And for those who live outside of cities, they're somehow convinced that they will be forcibly relocated to these smart cities.
People do seem to want to price the poor out of owning cars by raising the taxes and making them pay for being stuck in traffic. How do they expect us to be able to get to work without cars without moving from our houses outside the cities into tiny city apartments where we can actually get on the bus?
Poor people should just choose to stop being poor, obviously.
More like levy the fair amount of fees on car users so people without cars don't have to subsidize them. Poor people without cars (by choice or not) are getting screwed by car dependency much more than poor people with cars.
The poor American is scared of using a bus! Omg, how will he be able to live 50 miles away from Chicago and still work in Downtown Chicacago without his car! We just need a few more lanes and traffic will flow!
Also, don't built a BRT lane or something because that's taking space from the cars.
I'm finnish and I use the fucking bus daily. But it only comes and goes outside the city limits from 6 to 18, and doesn't come at all on weekends and is extremely limited outside city limits in summer when children aren't in schools. And there's no night buses anywhere except the capital.
I'm still studying, but my father for example couldn't get home from work from evening shift if he couldn't afford a car, and his pay is already not great. Same for lots of other people with shift jobs who live outside city limits because it's cheaper and generally better otherwise. Lose your car, lose your job. The job market situation is already bad.
Is it lose your car lose your job or is it that you don't want to live close to your job? If the bus could pick you up at a reasonable speed, why not ask for more buses? Do you think you have some god given right to live in a remote rural area, and commute to the city every day?
Car infrastructure is costly. It takes resources. The government shouldn't subsidize your desire to live far away from work. They should make sure people can work and live well, which may mean apartments near job sites, and obviously means that there are paths for quick travel, given that enough people need to go from one area to another. You should pay back in taxes what you use in road construction and maintenance.
Bro step outside of a major metro for like more than a “visit the country (but it’s actually just a rural town)” weekend trip. Jesus Christ.
Remote, my ass. 25 kilometers to the city at most. Even the bus only takes around 30 minutes. But they're never going to have night bus, not even within city limits.
And I do think people have the right to live in a house instead of a super expensive one room rent flat, which is generally all you can get in a city. Did you know people have families?
If it takes 30 minutes to get from your house to work via bus, it seems like instead of crying about how 15 minute cities are going to take your car away and force you to move to small apartment, you could just demand longer service. You're gonna lose your job if the busses run for a while longer?
Oh no, I get it, it is completely and utterly impossible for the bus to run from 6 AM to 10 PM on weekdays and 7 AM to 9 PM on the weekends. Or worse, from 6 AM to 12 AM on the weekends and 4 AM to 1AM on the weekends.
And if anyone asks for this to happen, they are trying to take your car away, which will make you lose your job!
Yes that would be great for the economy and for the stability of the country in general. And when you ask these asshats a simple question like “who exactly wants this and how does it benefit them?” it quickly spirals off the rails
Okay, so I want to preface this as being merely a thought experiment inspired by this thread, and that I'm all for walkable cities and reducing the reliance we have on cars, as I think that's our best shot in many, many ways.
however
How quickly a fascist government can turn the people's resources against them (think ICE) is actually interesting reason for concern. Now, you might think: resistance efforts could be more effective if a tight knit community had sufficient numbers, making walkable cities more resilient. That's likely true. However - all it would take would be a pandemic that affects the able bodied to shift things dramatically. The proximity of cities becomes a disadvantage, communities are ravaged. All a fascist government would have to do next to extend their own control is to create checkpoints and quarantine zones in the streets.
Yes, this is kind of like the videogame Half Life.
No, I don't think we can afford not to invest in car-free planning and infrastructure.
I would still live in a walkable city 100% of the time given the opportunity and need.
I was just trying to put myself in their shoes, and it was a fun and dark thought that came to mind. Thanks for reading!
Buddy, it’s going to be more like brave new world than 1984. They don’t need to do all that bullshit to keep people in line. Half the country is already willing to murder the other half. Gambling, porn, video games … the elites are happy with the way things are there’s no reason to do this …
The irony is that the REAL conspiracy already exists, and it's the conspiracy to force us into car-dependent suburbia with strict zoning laws. But somehow these knuckleheads become convinced that efforts to INCREASE freedom and choice in housing and transit is somehow a 1984-esque conspiracy to control people.
Freedom is when the government prevents you from building a duplex on your property, and requires licensure to leave your neighborhood
I literally couldn’t leave my childhood neighborhood without assistance until I had a drivers license
Fox News told them to be scared so they are scared.
Lol. I don't get it.
I'm urban Canadian, and even then I don't live within 15 minutes of a decent grocery store. (There's the more boujie store but I cant afford to pay 300% on dubious goods.) It's still walkable or doable within public transit! I usually use the weekend to grab the "big groceries" (milk, eggs, bread, cottage cheese) and then grab the discounted stuff at the ethnic markets ($1 heirloom cherry tomatoes? Yes please) or grab them when I grab my medicines. (Chronic illness can bite my butt.)
I dont like driving and drivers here act like they own the roads and are so aggressive (I think it shifted post pandemic because people were sick of everything falling apart especially public transit)...and that's not to mention that the bike couriers scare me to death even when walking.
But my mum is one of those people who can't walk 200 steps (shitty general fitness) and she was exhausted just traveling by public transit...so if you take away her car...
That’s funny what you mentioned about aggressive drivers. My Canadian wife says the same about British drivers being more aggressive than Canadians 😂
... she'll get back to a healthy weight and fitness?
My dad is apparently one of these people unfortunately.
That's when "my freeDUMB" is more accurate.
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They don't care how you word it, they care who's saying it
Except they don't believe in any of those unless it's a suburb. Coz the wrong people will benefit from lower taxes!! And the kids won't be safe WALKING to school!
The entire thing is build on so many levels of paranoia even having a grocery store you don't have to lock yourself in a car to reach, and having people just shopping around enclose to your house feels like danger of being murdered.
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I think you can make your point without being ableist. I did upvote you, for what it's worth.
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I suppose I see your point.
I doubt any of them could point this out and I think they're afraid of change in general but I think it basically falls along NIMBY lines. Their neighborhoods might have buildings with an extra floor and their drive to work might take an extra 5 seconds because of a bus lane.
It's classic reactionary, complain about the problems but then don't allow discussion or any new ideas to solve those problems.
The right wing grift machine told them it was bad so they have to hate it. They have no idea why they have to hate it only that they do. There isn't a wink of critical thinking from them.
They are already in hock to the current system. It's singular organizing principle is the cultivation of dependence. Escaping it would imply requiring the acceptance of the loss of sunk costs, but really, those are being depreciated every year anyhow.
My mom is terrified of “15 minute cities”. We live in a village; it’s literally an 8 minute city. We have the grocery store, library, churches, laundromat, gas station, vet clinic, human clinic, schools, 4 restaurants, farmers market, 4 bars, hair salon, coffee shop, flower shop, axe throwing place, all within an 8 minute walk or less.
The policy itself doesn't matter to MAGAts; all that matters is whether it's their team pushing the policies, or those scary commie libtards.
One document for a 15 minute city in one country once purposed fining people who drove out of their district over... I think it was 250 times in one year? And now every conspiracy theorist thinks it's the end times.
That's just driving, you could still take trains and other transportation, they just wanted to reduce the amount people drive far distances and again, it didn't go past a single purpose of a list.
“The year is 2030, I don’t own anything, and I’ve never been happier”. I think it extends beyond car ownership and zoning laws. We’re at a point in time where many of the things we once owned are turning into SaaS models. The biggest one being real estate.
What is a smart city supposed to be? Yet another name for "15 minute cities", aka "just about every European City an average American can name"?
Not just European cities, other places that conservative Americans like to visit! Disney is a 15 minute city! Any picturesque old timey American tourist town is a 15 minute city! The versions of their hometowns that boomers feel nostalgic for are 15 minute cities!!!
Jup. Conservatieve Amerikanen vinden het blijkbaar fijn om een uur in de file te staan als je een pak melk bent vergeten en zijn bang voor lokale, kleinschalige winkels.
That gave me weird Holy Grail vibes. I was expecting something about moose in there.
Mind you, moose bites can be pretty nasty…
A møøse once bit my sister…
Today I learned that Reddit has a little translation button!
Apparently only on desktop
It worked for me on my phone. Only on the larger block of text though.
It works on the app for me
Echt waar? Handig!
It is!
Don't see it, but I have some browser extensions that do the same
For me it shows up in the list of actions when you tap on the three dots under a comment.
I do not see it.
I have noticed that reddit forces a translation into finnish when I come here and am not logged in, but that's about it.
It's so hilarious that people in Europe adopted this conspiracy. Most of them don't even understand, that they already live in a 15 minute city.
I know people without cars living in German cities who argue against 15 minute cities!
When you ask those people "Is there a supermarket, a general practitioner and an elementary school within walking distance of your home?" they are confused because you "changed the subject"
Also some American cities, like the one I live in. I walk pretty much everywhere I need to go. The horror.
I’ve never understood this one. It’s so schizo
They are afraid of cities so they don’t want them to improve in any way that might mean they can’t just drive through them at 80mph.
Blow their mind and introduce them to ringroads
They seem to think that because American urban design is so shit that people need a car it provides a bulkwark against some nebulous enviro-fascist that want to force everyone to stay locked down at home, the pandemic seems to have especially made them go rabid.
Yeah I remember some dumb rumor about the feds rounding people up at the beginning of the pandemic. Gun stores had lines around the block in FL
The gun industry thrives on spreading rumors like this. Obama/Biden/Clinton are coming for your guns, want to lock you up in camps, and are going to end voting! Meanwhile, they dump money into the campaigns of politicians who wipe their asses with the constitution.
Then they voted for the guy who ordered the feds to round up people and are cheering him on.
yet they tell you you’re crazy when you point out the real concentrations camps in the US
There has to be some sort of astroturf campaign from car manufacturers behind this, right? Being able to walk to the grocery store and school is exactly the throw-back to older Americana these people typically love.
Totally agree! It must be either the oil barons or the car manufacturers because the same folks who are against the 15 minute cities hare public transit.
The NIMBYs will embrace anyone to keep their neighborhoods free form the poors.
Probably same thing that happened here:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/06/19/koch-brothers-are-bankrolling-local-efforts-kill-american-public-transit
These people love to talk about how they are lions and not sheep yet they fall in line any time a billionaire tells them to.
Who would ever think that not having to drive a car everywhere is the equivalent to Auschwitz?
Americans seem obsessed with comparing themselves to holocaust victims, at least since the corona. Idk if they did it before the corona, but I've seen it a lot since 2020.
Crazy how we have actual concentration camps now yet people still say shit like this
El Salvador is out of sight, out of mind, I guess.
Or because they haven't seen them, they don't believe they exist. Rightwingers in general and conspiracy theorists in particular deny the existence of basically anything they haven't personally witnessed.
Probably drove an hour into town from her house in the country. Did some shopping after the photo-op.
Like, pretty much everyone who posts this stuff also hates REGULAR cities.
Yeah!!! I can't even get a slice of pizza anymore because the ovens are just stuffed full of people!
Mmmhh... Soylent Pizza.
Ah yes, because having everything easily accessible is exactly like Auschwitz.
I was going to comment something about the living conditions in Auschwitz compared to 'smart cities' in a humorous way, but I changed my mind when I thought about it. Completely awful comparison.
Isn't living within walking distance of shops and restaurants basically the same as being forced into a gas chamber if you really think about it?
You want to know who builds Concentration Camps? Conservatives. Authoritarians. Dictators. The GOP.
15 minute/smart cities are exactly how we used to live before cars were mainstream. It's not a new concept, and actually makes sense
Even in their disingenuous attempt to conflate smart cities with concentration camps, they undermine their own attempt by asserting that it's a choice to live in a smart city ("people won't WANT to live there").
Clever enough for word play, dumb enough to believe it.
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean
TLDR summary:
Either through misunderstanding or outright lies, certain groups believe that modern urban planning will restrict people from traveling outside a given neighborhood or choosing to live elsewhere.
Commonly, increased density = cramped hellhole in their minds, so residents thus will be “concentrated” in “terrible conditions” like in WWII.
it's called pizza because if they called it skinned puppies you might not want to eat it
it's called roses because if they called it Mussolini's penis you might not like it
I love this game actually
It's called the Eurovision songcontest, because if they called it WWIII...
Oh wait....
Americans cannot conceive of a 15 minute stroll to the shops, fuck me. You can still have leave the house without mowing half a dozen children down in your killdozer. It's actually nice and good for you, so I understand why the average right wing yank is so against it.
I can't conceive of needing to walk 15 minutes to the shops because I live much closer to them. 15 minutes is too far in my opinion.
It’s so strange how so many people need a conspiracy to believe in instead of just… looking at what’s in front of them. We’re living in such a weird time.
In ninth grade, me and my class visited a WW2 concentration camp. The piles of hair, piles of shoes and the piles of clothes. And the smell that still lingered in the furnace building, i probably never will forget it.
What's even the supposed motive for this, like ah yes we have trapped our own citizens in their city, costing us trillions and requiring we basically employ half the population to have enough people to guard all the city exits, we have done this cus uh, we don't want you visiting your grandma?
I saw a bunch of this shit popping up when my city moved to re introduce zoning for neighborhood corner stores lmao.
Like how dare they put a nic little wine shop on the block?
did they really take the time to make a sign that basically says absolutely nothing?
Oh who am I kidding of course they did they never say anything.
The 15 minute city conspiracy people are honestly on a whole other level of delusional.
“Well I sold my soul to the company store.”
Is there some context to this weird sign?
Conservative backlash to the idea of 15 minute cities/smart cities
They believe people won't be allowed outside their "zone" or further than 15 minutes from their home and will be assigned a place to live rather than choosing
I see. I mean I have seen some things about smart cities basically just being a place for giant tech companies to spy on people better. Like a glorified company town (if that's the type of smart city being referred to). If we're just talking about places that are easily walkable with good public transit there's really no issue. Either way it's so classic for right wingers to protest things that should be protested but for the complete wrong reason or just protest things because they have no idea what they're actually upset about.
It’s called Philadelphia
Because if it was called stupid bitchburg, you might not want to live there.
I don't know, maybe? If it had affordable housing, decent jobs, good public transportation and safe streets then yeah, I probably would live there even if they called it "concentration camp city".
Well yeah because a smart city is a smart city and a concentration camp is a concentration camp. And if my grandmother had wheels would have been a bike yknow
Dear god, I just want everywhere I live to have somewhere I can walk to without driving first and access to food so I don't have to drive 30 min round trip if I forget an ingredient on winter nights. My current place is one for two, leagues better than my last place, where I was trapped when my car broke down.
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How are those things comparable?
15 minute cities sure. Smart cities with cameras and surveillance I tend to agree with them. If you think I’m being dramatic look up flock and Amazon Sidewalk.
I know a guy who lives in public housing in the inner city who's all paranoid about 15 minute cities, as well as vaccines, 5k, trans people...yeah, one of those.
Got really furious when I asked "so, how far away's the library/buses/supermarket then?"
I live within 15 minutes of a grocery store, but I have to walk across a 5 lane, 45mph moat with no crossing signal or paint to get there. The post office is 17 minutes, but that seems a bit moot.
There's nothing else for the previous 14 minutes but houses and traffic, and it really doesn't feel like freedom.
Ads and marketing aren’t the traditional methods of induction into a concentration camp, but hey, it’s the 21st century, who knows what will actually happen this time?
They say, supporting the party of techno-feudalists that want you to be serfs in their corptropolises
what if the world was made of pudding
these people hate the idea of walking that much i suppose