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Facebook's algorithm pushed anti-Rohingya content because it got clicks. They were warned that it was leading to violence, and they did nothing about it. They knew people were dying, but the money was more important. You can read about it here.
I mean in order for them to stop that kind of thing they would have to hire thousands of people for every language in the world just to moderate in real time.
It's not about ethics, the algorithm doesn't make decisions based on morality. It's the people who make those decisions, the algorithm just amplifies it. You can't blame a computer because your people are violent. If humans didn't want to interact with that kind of content, then they wouldn't. The fact that they do, and that they do so so voraciously, is the fault of the people. A platforms business is not to decide morality for individuals. It is to be a space where individuals can express themselves. I do not want to live in a world where the algorithm chooses to censor people's expression. I would much rather live in a world where that expression gets amplified, even if the results are disastrous
So you know how social media algorithms intentionally promote hate and anger inducing content bc they get more clicks? So that's what happened, except here the threat of violence was already really high so he was warned by his own staff that the normal algorithm could encourage uh exactly what happened
I have a lot of refugee students who spent years in Malaysia before coming to the USA (including Rohingyas), and their stories of Malaysia are pretty horrific. So horrific I actually read up on refugees in Malaysia - it's pretty bad. They have no rights at all - can't legally work so they work under the table or get into crime (no gov support either so if you don't do that, you die of starvation), children cannot go to public school (you have to pay to send them to very overcrowded schools - 60+ kids per class including very young children) so many end up completely illiterate which perpetuates the crime cycle and makes them more vulnerable to abuse.
It's a fictional story but reminds me of the play and movie Fiddler on the Roof, which was based on the writer's own background. It follows a Jewish village in Russia during the early 1900s. Spoiler alert, a pogrom forces everyone to flee. In the final scene, two men tell each other where they're headed. One says, "I'm going to America - New York," and the other replies, "I'm going to America - Chicago. We will be neighbors!" Which always gets a laugh but also reassures the audience that the ending isn't a total tragedy. Many survivors of pogroms ended up in Poland. đ
Orphan-crushing machine isn't people doing inspiring things in a situation the article acknowledges to be horrible. Orphan-crushing machine is people doing inspiring things in a horrible situation that the article pretends is fine and normal. Lots of posts are confused on this point.
My brother volunteered a few years ago with American Jewish World Service in Chiang Mai, Thailand, to help Rohingya refugees fleeing Myanmar. He said it was an overwhelming experience.
I wouldnât really call this an Orphan Crushing Machine example, because what itâs depicting is very clearly a flight from mass violence, not a âfeel-goodâ everyday news story that hides a systemic problem in the readerâs own society. The text explicitly frames it as war-torn Burma and a village destroyed, so the horror in the background isnât being swept under the rug: itâs presented as a brutal atrocity. Classic OCM cases are usually local, structural injustices (like unaffordable healthcare) turned into wholesome clickbait about individual heroism, with no questioning of why the situation exists. Here, the tone is indeed a bit âheroic/motivationalâ which you could criticize, but itâs still fundamentally a story of escaping a massacre, not a cute human-interest piece normalising a solvable systemic failure.
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This happened in 2017. They are Rohingya Muslims, and were escaping persecution in Myanmar.
Persecution that Mark Zuckerberg helped stoke so he could make a buck. Fuck that guy.
How was that? Genuinely curious, I am not familiar with those events
Facebook's algorithm pushed anti-Rohingya content because it got clicks. They were warned that it was leading to violence, and they did nothing about it. They knew people were dying, but the money was more important. You can read about it here.
I'm pretty sure there's also an episode of last week Tonight on it if you want to watch that while you're doing the dishes
thanks
I mean in order for them to stop that kind of thing they would have to hire thousands of people for every language in the world just to moderate in real time.
If their business model encourages genocide and results in thousands of deaths, I'm fine with their business collapsing.
Goebbels would have had to make some severe changes to be ethical, too.
It's not about ethics, the algorithm doesn't make decisions based on morality. It's the people who make those decisions, the algorithm just amplifies it. You can't blame a computer because your people are violent. If humans didn't want to interact with that kind of content, then they wouldn't. The fact that they do, and that they do so so voraciously, is the fault of the people. A platforms business is not to decide morality for individuals. It is to be a space where individuals can express themselves. I do not want to live in a world where the algorithm chooses to censor people's expression. I would much rather live in a world where that expression gets amplified, even if the results are disastrous
It's incredible how in one sentence you managed to identify the problem and glibly dismiss it.
That isn't a problem, that's like saying that newspapers are a problem because they allow editorials that you may not like
Newspapers don't allow editorials that argue that people should commit genocide (in most cases, Gaza being the exception).
Oh no, I guess it's better to let innocent people get murdered then /s
Also, no, what you said is not true because people of every language aren't currently being murdered.
So you know how social media algorithms intentionally promote hate and anger inducing content bc they get more clicks? So that's what happened, except here the threat of violence was already really high so he was warned by his own staff that the normal algorithm could encourage uh exactly what happened
And if you really really care, the new book Careless People gives an inside look too! (Written by a woman who worked with zux & sheryl sandberg)
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Did he end up going to Malaysia?
I have a lot of refugee students who spent years in Malaysia before coming to the USA (including Rohingyas), and their stories of Malaysia are pretty horrific. So horrific I actually read up on refugees in Malaysia - it's pretty bad. They have no rights at all - can't legally work so they work under the table or get into crime (no gov support either so if you don't do that, you die of starvation), children cannot go to public school (you have to pay to send them to very overcrowded schools - 60+ kids per class including very young children) so many end up completely illiterate which perpetuates the crime cycle and makes them more vulnerable to abuse.
It's a fictional story but reminds me of the play and movie Fiddler on the Roof, which was based on the writer's own background. It follows a Jewish village in Russia during the early 1900s. Spoiler alert, a pogrom forces everyone to flee. In the final scene, two men tell each other where they're headed. One says, "I'm going to America - New York," and the other replies, "I'm going to America - Chicago. We will be neighbors!" Which always gets a laugh but also reassures the audience that the ending isn't a total tragedy. Many survivors of pogroms ended up in Poland. đ
Orphan Making Machine
Literally, he ensured the exact opposite.
I think i have read a similar mythological story about a blind son carrying his old parents in a similar way
Ironically enough, most people who believe that story will have no empathy for him.
Edit: BTW, it was the parents who were blind, not the son. The son carried them in baskets when they wanted to go on pilgrimage.
Shravan Kumar from the Hindu mythology
Orphan-crushing machine isn't people doing inspiring things in a situation the article acknowledges to be horrible. Orphan-crushing machine is people doing inspiring things in a horrible situation that the article pretends is fine and normal. Lots of posts are confused on this point.
He escaped the orphan crushing machine with his parents on his back
Did he? The most common country that Rohingyas escaped to was Malaysia and you may want to read up on refugees in Malaysia - it's not pretty.
This story has been milked for Feel Goods for at least a decade at this point, it's kind of amazing that it's still being recycled.
W-w-what do you mean 2017 is almost a decade ago đ đ°
This is what masculinity means to me.
This man looks like his frame is skin and bones, he is not strikingly strong yet he did a super human thing for those he loves.
Truly a rose growing through the concrete
Not the AI-generated story đ
What is that cringe fucking description
AI
if true, how did it ended?
I don't know anything about this as a source, so very much unverified
https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/2018/05/01/turkish-ngo-reaches-out-to-rohingya-man-who-carried-parents-for-a-week
And I don't understand the language here or know the source but it appears to be the same story and name https://youtube.com/shorts/kZMcN7vRMV4
Modern Aeneas
*Shravana Kumara
Jesus thatâs bleak
he looks like he would stare down the grim reaper himself.
Damn what a chad
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Not OCM, in my opinion
To me, this is overtly an OCM. What makes you think itâs not?
I wouldnât really call this an Orphan Crushing Machine example, because what itâs depicting is very clearly a flight from mass violence, not a âfeel-goodâ everyday news story that hides a systemic problem in the readerâs own society. The text explicitly frames it as war-torn Burma and a village destroyed, so the horror in the background isnât being swept under the rug: itâs presented as a brutal atrocity. Classic OCM cases are usually local, structural injustices (like unaffordable healthcare) turned into wholesome clickbait about individual heroism, with no questioning of why the situation exists. Here, the tone is indeed a bit âheroic/motivationalâ which you could criticize, but itâs still fundamentally a story of escaping a massacre, not a cute human-interest piece normalising a solvable systemic failure.