Interpreting "then" as "since" reverses direction of influence. Also, I would be more inclined to read "dead ealswa swa" as "dead just as they [are]" rather than "as dead as they [are]".
In summary, my preferred PDE would be:
They do not speak now - therefore their people are dead, just as they are.
Yeah, these kind of comparatives work pretty much the same in OE as Modern English, with swa (swa) for "so" and "as" and ealswa (swa) for just as", so I think yours matches the intended meaning best.
It makes good sense if that is so, because it expresses his theme that the identity of a people is carried through their tongue. When the language falls silent (ne specath nu), the social and cultural entity (þeod) is considered to have perished.
They do not speak now — then is their nation dead also. But I will admit that þeod can just mean language as wel.,
Here's a way to look at "ealswa swa hie" from another perspective that makes it feel a bit more intuitive. "ealswa" eventually gives us "also" in PDE. And we can translate "swa" as either "so" or "as". That last clause could then be considered etymologically related to: "then their people are dead also as they are". The meaning draws closer when you consider the more literal meaning of "ealswa" as something like "all so", which feels quite close to "just so", which is one standard translation of "ealswa".
So, we can go from "ealswa swa" very literally to "all so as" to "just so as" and then drop the "so" to get "just as" in PDE.
I can't be more fascinated by how similar the language is even up to this day there are much leftovers of old english grammar tongflow and all I believe that each english and american must learn old english at 7th grade in learnhouses and elsewhere why not it gives so much broader outlook on the whole path then and through and now what lies there is so uncanny alike yet so driven off and mixed but nevertheless english speaking people have no other tongue to learn so it is old english haha it gives you also a very good grasp of understanding any other germanic language and thus you'll become fluent so fast even compared to others in modern english itself as you learn things deeper and deeper enough.
Yeah, you’re a beginner so you’re not aware it’s telling you the wrong things. When it comes to OE, Chat GPT makes up definitions for words and makes up word combinations that are totally wrong. It uses the wrong declensions of nouns and often uses the entirely wrong verb. The problem is, if you don’t know it’s wrong it’s going to have you learning a language that doesn’t exist. Saying Chat GPT helps you with OE is like saying the suspicious caller claiming to be Microsoft tech support that happens to need $600 in Steam gift card codes is helping you fix your computer.
Clearly not, or you wouldn't think it was a good tool. I have tested it out with OE many times and it has never once given me anything correct. Feel free to teach yourself gibberish, but your comment got downvoted for a reason.
Literal translation:
They not speaketh now - then is their theed dead also so they (note: "theed" is cognate to Dutch/Deutsch, both meaning people or nation)
Regular translation:
They do not speak now - since their people are as dead as they are
Interpreting "then" as "since" reverses direction of influence. Also, I would be more inclined to read "dead ealswa swa" as "dead just as they [are]" rather than "as dead as they [are]".
In summary, my preferred PDE would be:
They do not speak now - therefore their people are dead, just as they are.
Yeah, these kind of comparatives work pretty much the same in OE as Modern English, with swa (swa) for "so" and "as" and ealswa (swa) for just as", so I think yours matches the intended meaning best.
That's from Alfred's Pastoral Care, right?
It makes good sense if that is so, because it expresses his theme that the identity of a people is carried through their tongue. When the language falls silent (ne specath nu), the social and cultural entity (þeod) is considered to have perished.
They do not speak now — then is their nation dead also. But I will admit that þeod can just mean language as wel.,
it's from Bright's grammar
Thx, I meant the OE source that grammar is drawing it from.
Here's a way to look at "ealswa swa hie" from another perspective that makes it feel a bit more intuitive. "ealswa" eventually gives us "also" in PDE. And we can translate "swa" as either "so" or "as". That last clause could then be considered etymologically related to: "then their people are dead also as they are". The meaning draws closer when you consider the more literal meaning of "ealswa" as something like "all so", which feels quite close to "just so", which is one standard translation of "ealswa".
So, we can go from "ealswa swa" very literally to "all so as" to "just so as" and then drop the "so" to get "just as" in PDE.
what is PDE?
PDE is present-day English.
I can't be more fascinated by how similar the language is even up to this day there are much leftovers of old english grammar tongflow and all I believe that each english and american must learn old english at 7th grade in learnhouses and elsewhere why not it gives so much broader outlook on the whole path then and through and now what lies there is so uncanny alike yet so driven off and mixed but nevertheless english speaking people have no other tongue to learn so it is old english haha it gives you also a very good grasp of understanding any other germanic language and thus you'll become fluent so fast even compared to others in modern english itself as you learn things deeper and deeper enough.
Say what you like about chatgpt, if you ask it to parse that sentence it will remove your confusion
If you think Chat GPT is good with OE, you don’t know OE.
I'm a beginner and it helps me.
Yeah, you’re a beginner so you’re not aware it’s telling you the wrong things. When it comes to OE, Chat GPT makes up definitions for words and makes up word combinations that are totally wrong. It uses the wrong declensions of nouns and often uses the entirely wrong verb. The problem is, if you don’t know it’s wrong it’s going to have you learning a language that doesn’t exist. Saying Chat GPT helps you with OE is like saying the suspicious caller claiming to be Microsoft tech support that happens to need $600 in Steam gift card codes is helping you fix your computer.
I check everything. I don't blindly trust what it says.
Clearly not, or you wouldn't think it was a good tool. I have tested it out with OE many times and it has never once given me anything correct. Feel free to teach yourself gibberish, but your comment got downvoted for a reason.
That's quite enough out of you until you learn some respect and how to treat other people.