** It can now be reported that, on July 13, Smith had been informed by her daughter about "devastating" allegations her husband had committed sexual abuse against children "for many years".
This included an allegation of child sexual abuse against the one child Corinna Smith and Michael Baines had together – Craig Baines – who tragically took his own life aged 25 in 2007.
In her sentencing remarks, the judge, The Honourable Mrs Justice Amanda Yip DBE, said: "He had been troubled before his death and had been to prison for a serious assault.
"You and other family members could not understand why Craig's life had taken this course.
"He had told you that the man he attacked had been a paedophile and that he had touched him sexually.
"The day before Craig's death, he had been in some distress and had said: 'Mum, he's a paedophile'.
"You understood him to be referring to the man he had assaulted. Craig seemed happier the next day and you did not explore what he had said further.
"This is something that you have felt guilty about ever since. You blamed yourself for Craig's death although you had no reason to.
"Your trial could not and did not explore the truth of the allegations made against your husband. The prosecution accepted that the allegations were made and that you believed them. No doubt the revelations were extremely distressing for you."**
For those that don't feel to read all of it, the relevant snippets:
Tragically, your son Craig took his own life in 2007. He had been troubled before his death and had been to prison for a serious assault.
The day before Craig’s death, he had been in some distress and had said “Mum, he’s a paedophile”. You understood him to be referring to the man he had assaulted.
On 13 July 2020, you spent a happy day in the company of your daughter. You wanted to stay longer at her home and rang your husband to tell him that. He was not pleased. [...] your daughter suggested that you ask him what he had done or she would tell you.
Your daughter broke down and said that your husband had sexually abused her and Craig for many years when they were children.
She made serious allegations about what had happened to Craig and told you that was why he had killed himself
[you] made the connection between what Craig had said the day before he died and what your daughter was telling you.
When sugar is hot like that, it not only burns the skin but sticks to it like tar. So essentially it just burns deeper into your skin (kinda melting into it from my understanding as someone who bakes) and sticks to it.
That’s also a big big key. Sugar can get hot. Like HOT. Sugar can easily get to 240, 250 degrees f. Much hotter than 220ish for boiling water. If she burnt it we’re talking 300 degrees.
That makes it even worse! I mean the act in itself, not in regards to our context. I can totally understand why a mother would do this to the abuser and rapist of her children.
Have you ever had pancakes/waffles with syrup and then accidentally touched it somehow? It is super sticky. And very hard to get off.
You really need to wash your hands because even barely touching it, a napkin won’t cut it like drying off your hands that are only water wet.
I’d estimate that many people use 1-3 tablespoons of syrup for their breakfast (broad generalization). And while sometimes syrup is heated up, it’s never usually hot.
So imagine that she took a huge ass bucket and dissolved 3 sugar bags into it. This is now her syrup. And it wasn’t just warmed up. It was boiling.
Boiling water will just fall off of you, it can still do insane damage, but some of that bucket of sugar water is going to stick to his skin and stay there.
Boiling sugar is basically napalm. Like others have said, it gets above the boiling point of water, it’s sticky and it holds onto heat. To get to the caramel stage it has to get to 320F and above, second degree burns happen at around 110F and human body fat melts at about 120F. At 320F your skin is basically melting, and since the sugar holds onto your body and heat, your body is basically cooking where the sugar is in contact.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. It is so well written. Compassionate and logical without accepting excuses for her actions.
I’m sure in her raging mind he was no more vulnerable in that moment than their children were to him when he came for them. From experience, large sugar burns are excruciatingly painful. I wonder what the story is regarding how/why she chose that path of revenge.
She had sugar and water on hand at home. I don’t think she planned to kill him and just used what she had at home to hurt him. Obviously it did end up killing him.
It left Michael in agony and rather than call the emergency services she wasted time by going to a house nine doors away to tell a neighbour, who she wasn’t close to, what she had done.
Yes, and it’s legitimately maybe the funniest thing Game Freak ever did. Dudunsparce is basically Dunsparce with…wait for it…ONE whole more segment! And—get this—when it evolves, there’s a 1/100 chance that it gets TWO more segments instead! What is the mechanical difference of getting two more segments as opposed to one, you ask? No! :D
** It can now be reported that, on July 13, Smith had been informed by her daughter about "devastating" allegations her husband had committed sexual abuse against children "for many years".
This included an allegation of child sexual abuse against the one child Corinna Smith and Michael Baines had together – Craig Baines – who tragically took his own life aged 25 in 2007.
In her sentencing remarks, the judge, The Honourable Mrs Justice Amanda Yip DBE, said: "He had been troubled before his death and had been to prison for a serious assault.
"You and other family members could not understand why Craig's life had taken this course.
"He had told you that the man he attacked had been a paedophile and that he had touched him sexually.
"The day before Craig's death, he had been in some distress and had said: 'Mum, he's a paedophile'.
"You understood him to be referring to the man he had assaulted. Craig seemed happier the next day and you did not explore what he had said further.
"This is something that you have felt guilty about ever since. You blamed yourself for Craig's death although you had no reason to.
"Your trial could not and did not explore the truth of the allegations made against your husband. The prosecution accepted that the allegations were made and that you believed them. No doubt the revelations were extremely distressing for you."**
I think that's UK for sucrose, aka table sugar. I'll assume it is. So yes, saccharin.
It raises the boiling point making the solution hotter than water could be. It also slows evaporation considerably, so the solution stays hot for longer. It also makes the solution thicker and sticky, so it more effectively transfers heat to flesh.
Basically, it's more akin to boiling oil than boiling water. But sticky oil that only gets thicker as it gets hotter.
*Edit, not saccharin, just sugar. See my comment below.
It's only like saccharin that it's sweet. Saccharine and sugar are two different substances. Saccharin would probably be less effective for her purpose.
Yup, wrote my comment at 3am and missed the joke comparing the article to saccharin. Thought they were asking if that was what was added to the water, and got confused about how I knew the words.
a chef told me that boiling water and sugar will fully stick to the top layer of skin and harden, not able to wash off. Pulls that top layer of skin off with it!
IKR? Unfortunately this happens all to often. Tales like ones of the rapist Brock Allen Turner are far too common, I'm afraid. Fortunately, the rapist Nathan Sutherland got 20 years? for raping a victim at a nursing home and getting her pregnant. This was in AZ and we don't fuck around here==we're an open carry/ccw state (no permit required) and we can still be a little *too* WIld West at times. This monster who abused his kids got what he deserved IMO.
I'm just waiting for 'Don't glaze me, bro!' *sigh*
Mmmmm, I miss profiteroles so much. My ex made GF profiteroles, and while they are good, you literally need to add the cream as you're eating them lest they become soggy in a this is a 'three day old leftover from a party platter sitting in the fridge' way.
I read the court transcript another user provided -- took him over a month to die, while in "pain and distress" the entire time (I mean, molten sugar burns to 36% of the body).
My older brother decided to make popcorn balls by himself once when he was around 9 (this was the eighties and we were latchkey kids).
He knocked over the pan and spilled the boiling corn syrup on his foot. I remember him trying to wipe his foot on the carpet and it taking a large chunk of skin off with the syrup. It was just glued to him and he couldn’t get it off without ripping off his skin.
This was a smallish patch, maybe 4”x4”. I cannot imagine what a gallon of water plus three bags of sugar felt like. He deserved it, but that was an absolutely brilliant torture method on her part.
He may well have ended up with the same grisly end if he'd gone to prison instead. Prisoners know that trick too and have easy access to the ingredients.
sadly not. sex offenders often get separated from other inmates “for their own safety”. they know they are prone to violence. i hate those fucking cockroaches so much
A prisoner went in for child molestation.
The guards found him after prisoners raped him and tore his butthole out, they managed to get him to the hospital and saved him.
When brought back they found him dead the next day with his intestines pulled out.
Alaska.
A guy raped someone, and her brother shoved a coke bottle up his ass then tossed him off a cliff.
Plenty of places to hide the body up here, and plenty of places with long periods of time, without human presence.
Oregon.
They have separate prisons for sex offenders, because they have a habit of dying.
Kids are all adults and one killed himself around 2007, apprently she was tipped off regarding the sexual abuse specifically towards the one who committed suicide.
I think the son was charged with assaulting another man and when he said, "He's a paedophile," the mom assumed he was referring to the dude he hurt. Poor kid killed himself, never clarifying.
She didn't find out until the attack that her husband was responsible for sexually abusing their kids. Hence, why she lost her shit.
I actually agree with you, Im even more lefty than that normally and believe NON OFFENDING paedophilia (and the related conditions) should be treated as mental health conditions and seeking treatment should be encouraged when they admit their feelings, rather than condemnation.
Once they offend however, the rates of re offence are astronomically high, even with chemical castration.
So locking them away for life is really the only recourse, and I mean their natural life not the 12-25 years most countries have.
In this particular case though and others like it, if we take a step back and look at things objectively, there's two potential scenarios I can think of that stand out as likely.
The victim had an almost 40 year history of abusing his wife, highly likely given the age gap at which they got married, given the average engagement is 1 to 4 years plus dating previously, its a strong possibility she was groomed from a young age and possibly even entered into a sexual relationship with him before she was a legal adult.
This coupled with being told he abused one or more of their children was enough to push her over the edge.
She wasn't abused but still mentally unwell and the reported child abuse set her over the edge.
Long story short, someone who isn't psychologically damaged, severely, doesn't do what she did.
While certainly not the correct actiom to be taken, it's certainly understandable in the first scenario and kinda understandable in the second.
Especially given his age we can safely assume that he'd probably have never seen justice within the legal system.
Better than the parents that don’t believe their children. Just listened to a podcast last week of a woman that was abused by her father from 5-18 yrs old and her mother doesn’t believe her even now, even after the daughter got a recorded apology from him.
I will never understand those people. It happened to someone I know, their mother chose the side of the pedo boyfriend and called them a liar. Funny though, his OWN FAMILY didn't choose his side because they believed the kids. One of the children was his own blood relative. Thankfully this idiot mom's opinion didn't matter, the guy went to prison and the judge called it the most disturbing case of his career.
When I finally was able to tell my mom what happened to me she yelled at me until I was forced to say I was lying and then she slapped me, told me to get out of her face, and spent days treating me like a horrible person. I was 12 when I finally told her. I was 6 when it started and it happened for a couple of years.
I am ❤️ it took a few hospitalizations, being properly diagnosed with mental health stuff, lots of therapy, and meds but I’m very happy now. I moved far away, healed myself, found love, and am a mother to an amazing kiddo. My life is great now and I’m grateful for it every single day.
I was sexually abused by my father - mother witnessed it happening for almost 18 years but denied it after I reported. This is, unfortunately, too common.
That’s what it sounds like — three bags of sugar and two kettles of hot water, according to the article linked in this comment. Probably thicker than simple syrup like you’d see as a mixer at a bar, but probably not quite as thick as, say, maple syrup or honey. As other people pointed out, sugar water has a higher boiling point than plain water, so even just adding some sugar to it would raise that temperature, but the volume suggested makes it sound pretty significant.
Fuck me that is a bad way to die... Waking up from your sleep (I imagine) suffocating and burning to death covered in lava hot sticky syrup from which you cannot escape... New phobia unlocked!
Syrup has more water, this was more like molten candy. I’ve been splashed by this kind of mixture before and the little droplets left me with a small patch of freckle-like scars. The only thing that hurt worse was when I had hot slag roll down my back while welding.
Sugar’s melting point is scary hot, and to make candy the temperature and water content all play a role. Here’s a breakdown of the science.
Unless she cooked it for awhile, this is pretty close to a 1:1 simple syrup, a "bag of sugar" in the UK is likely a 1 kg bag and a kettle is usually 1.7 liters (1.7 kg) of water, so 3 bags of sugar to 2 kettles of water would be a 3:3.4 ratio, which is slightly less sugar than common bar syrup for mixing drinks which is 1:1
Sheesh. In the Sentencing Remarks Light_Visored linked it says “At one stage, you suggested that you must have been aiming at his genitals, although there is no evidence
that it was directed that way.”
this is not sarcasm, but i hope thiss lady does alright in prison. and i hope her remaining children rest a little easier at night. my aunt used to work in a prison and she talked to a man who did something similar, he killed the guy who molested his child. i remember she said he seemed quite content.
What's the timeline here? The articles are confusing.
At ages 21 and 43 they got married.
39 years later she murders him for being a pedo against their son, who took his own life at age 25. This info came from her daughter but they only had one child together, so the daughter was from a different relationship?
Also, the court says that that the pedo allegations were never investigated.
If I'm piecing this together correctly - and it's very possible I am not - it sounds like the wife had a daughter before the marriage, 39 years later the daughter tells the wife that the husband was a pedo against their son who took his life, and the wife then killed the husband.
Seems like all round best course of action would have been to call the police and have him rot in a cell if he was guilty. Not that I have any sympathy for a pedo but now the wife is in prison.
Try reading the link from this comment, it has more details. From what I understand they got married at 21 and 43. Both already married before and have children. Then they had 1 child together.
Son died in 2007. Daughter made the allegations in 2020 that she and son were both SAd which also contributed to son's suicide. That day, mom wanted to call the police but daughter asked not to, she wants to take a polygraph test first. Daughter also asked the mom not to tell anybody else since she wants to take the test first, which would be her proof that she's telling the truth. Mom agreed, they made plans, appointments, and paid for it that same day.
There's more details but it wasn't mentioned if the son or the daughter was their only child together. And I do agree with you, it would be better if the dad was the one in prison and mom is free. I can't imagine what the daughter must be feeling. Her allegations weren't investigated and her mom is in prison.
It’s a more fitting punishment than he’d get from being tried for his crimes. I’ve never seen or heard of a pedophile receiving any sort of punishment or sentence suitable for the crimes they committed. In my country, they promote you to President for such acts.
I know someone who knew someone who got 8 years for possessing and distributing over 14,000 images of child pornography and over 1,000 videos. 8 years. That's it. And he lies to people about why he was in prison if he tells them at all. 'Merica.
She was 21 and he would have been 43 when they first started dating. He’s always been a predator, honestly I’d do the same if someone was assaulting my kids.
On that note, my mom used to make sweet popcorn from a recipe handed down from her grandmother. It involves boiling the sugar without caramelizing. She fucked it up once and went to throw it outside, but the wind blew the door back and it spilled all over her hand, then crystallized. It was pretty gnarly.
If I'd been on the jury I'd have done my best for her to be acquitted. Her defence barrister was clearly shit at his job. Temporary insanity when she found out he'd abused the children.
The method makes that a hard sell. She had the wits to basically make homemade napalm. I remember when this happened, and the judge was not the least bit sympathetic to her. The argument was that she was calculated.
I think about this woman from time to time. I think her husband got what he deserved and I hope she's being treated well, wherever she is.
Reading the court transcript, it sounds like her using multiple kettles of water, and having to wait to boil them in sequence and not tandem, is why the court deemed it "premeditated?"
It's still fucked up. My family had a cousin who was sentenced to life in prison without parole because she burned the house down with her husband asleep in it by tossing a lit cigarette onto his blanket. He'd abused her physically and emotionally for years and she finally got tired of it. The courts said something about how she had to light the cigarette, and then wait to ensure it caught the blankets on fire, were the reason they felt it was premeditated for her too.
... I don't condemn this, but this was not the best course of action. I read the trial verdict, and I agree with basically all of it. It is possible to feel sympathy for her position and not excuse her actions.
The reports of sexual assault from her children are devastating, and good on her for believing them. However, believing them and having conclusive proof are nowhere near the same thing. I would wholeheartedly endorse the murder if there was conclusive proof, however as it stands, her husband was still innocent until proven guilty.
I think about it like this. The power of the accuser is immense. A woman can publically claim a man sexually assaulted her, and even without proof, that man's life will be ruined. Abusers need to to be punished, but it must be clear to all that they are guilty of the crime.
As it stands, I understand her position, but now her family is divided instead of united (if proof was fully obtained, then the family would likely not be in as much turmoil). Secondly, she managed to land herself in prison, depriving her children of their last (trusted) parental figure.
If she had laid a trap, or had the police or even a private detective conduct covert work... I would have supported her. If she killed him after, I probably still support her. Even then, the man was 80 or something, he realistically was not a threat for truly overpowering or harming the children again. If he went to abuse the kids at his age, his shit would get snapped like a twig, a bad fall would probably land him in the ICU. There was no need to kill him at that time. If he was physically fit, I would understand jumping him in his sleep. But he was a frail ass man, they could have held off until it was needed. As is, this is botched.
Unfortunate event for all involved.
... I wonder what it says about my morality that I can understand and endorse extrajudicial killing of an elderly person under certain circumstances.
Commented by BlockChainHydra:
Much better article with many more details.
** It can now be reported that, on July 13, Smith had been informed by her daughter about "devastating" allegations her husband had committed sexual abuse against children "for many years".
This included an allegation of child sexual abuse against the one child Corinna Smith and Michael Baines had together – Craig Baines – who tragically took his own life aged 25 in 2007.
In her sentencing remarks, the judge, The Honourable Mrs Justice Amanda Yip DBE, said: "He had been troubled before his death and had been to prison for a serious assault.
"You and other family members could not understand why Craig's life had taken this course.
"He had told you that the man he attacked had been a paedophile and that he had touched him sexually.
"The day before Craig's death, he had been in some distress and had said: 'Mum, he's a paedophile'.
"You understood him to be referring to the man he had assaulted. Craig seemed happier the next day and you did not explore what he had said further.
"This is something that you have felt guilty about ever since. You blamed yourself for Craig's death although you had no reason to.
"Your trial could not and did not explore the truth of the allegations made against your husband. The prosecution accepted that the allegations were made and that you believed them. No doubt the revelations were extremely distressing for you."**
https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/19433220.cheshire-wife-murdered-husband-boiling-sugar-water-amid-allegations-child-sex-abuser/
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Sentencing-remarks-R-v-Corinna-Smith-FINAL.pdf
Court transcripts of the sentencing.
For those that don't feel to read all of it, the relevant snippets:
this boiling water w sugar feels like the only thing remotely close to justice against child sex offenders that ive heard of in the past few years
What does boiling water with sugar in particular do? Like, why the sugar?
When sugar is hot like that, it not only burns the skin but sticks to it like tar. So essentially it just burns deeper into your skin (kinda melting into it from my understanding as someone who bakes) and sticks to it.
And it gets hotter than just boiling water
That’s also a big big key. Sugar can get hot. Like HOT. Sugar can easily get to 240, 250 degrees f. Much hotter than 220ish for boiling water. If she burnt it we’re talking 300 degrees.
They call it 'prison napalm' as it's a fairly common attack to happen in jails where prisoners have access to both kettles and water.
Are there many jails where prisoners don’t have access to water?
I think I intended to write 'sugar'.
The few people who've been released from ICE detention centers named the lack of access to water as one of the more insidious conditions there.
And if you try to scrub it away, you scrub away your skin and flesh with it.
That makes it even worse! I mean the act in itself, not in regards to our context. I can totally understand why a mother would do this to the abuser and rapist of her children.
Ohhhh thanks for explaining, makes sense!! Damn that sounds terrifyingly hurtful. Though I understand why a mother would do this.
Prison napalm.
Have you ever had pancakes/waffles with syrup and then accidentally touched it somehow? It is super sticky. And very hard to get off.
You really need to wash your hands because even barely touching it, a napkin won’t cut it like drying off your hands that are only water wet.
I’d estimate that many people use 1-3 tablespoons of syrup for their breakfast (broad generalization). And while sometimes syrup is heated up, it’s never usually hot.
So imagine that she took a huge ass bucket and dissolved 3 sugar bags into it. This is now her syrup. And it wasn’t just warmed up. It was boiling.
Boiling water will just fall off of you, it can still do insane damage, but some of that bucket of sugar water is going to stick to his skin and stay there.
Honestly this was my only reason for clicking on the story...
Have you ever stuck your fingers with the hot glue out of a glue gun? Take that and multiply it.
Boiling sugar is basically napalm. Like others have said, it gets above the boiling point of water, it’s sticky and it holds onto heat. To get to the caramel stage it has to get to 320F and above, second degree burns happen at around 110F and human body fat melts at about 120F. At 320F your skin is basically melting, and since the sugar holds onto your body and heat, your body is basically cooking where the sugar is in contact.
Cheap napalm.
Full castration
Yeah, that would fit the crime.
Sadly not, in many cases. It's about power and causing pain, not sex. They just use other things. Women can be sexual assaulters too.
God, that poor woman and her poor children… I can’t imagine. I would’ve done the same.
I mean, the guy apparently married an 18 year old at 44. So that’s something
She was 21 and he was 42. Not much better, but not 18 and 44 (not playing devils advocate, just correcting misinformation)
Fair. They posted different ages under the article photo
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. It is so well written. Compassionate and logical without accepting excuses for her actions.
I’m sure in her raging mind he was no more vulnerable in that moment than their children were to him when he came for them. From experience, large sugar burns are excruciatingly painful. I wonder what the story is regarding how/why she chose that path of revenge.
It's a painful, slow, agonizing death.
She had sugar and water on hand at home. I don’t think she planned to kill him and just used what she had at home to hurt him. Obviously it did end up killing him.
Thanks for this!
No worries!
What in the fuck...
She was 56 and they were married for 38 years? She was 18 when they got married and she’s surprised he was abusing
And he was 21 years older than her.
I think that was the entire point, ya dunsparce.
Dunsparce is just such a fitting and perfect insult lol
Dunsparce is a pokemon 😂
Magikarp is too much of a mouthful, and it grows up awesome. ☹️
The irony of this situation being an SVU episode waiting to be made, and the evolution of Dunsparce being DUNDUNsparce is FRYING ME.
Dunsparce got an evolution?!
Yes, and it’s legitimately maybe the funniest thing Game Freak ever did. Dudunsparce is basically Dunsparce with…wait for it…ONE whole more segment! And—get this—when it evolves, there’s a 1/100 chance that it gets TWO more segments instead! What is the mechanical difference of getting two more segments as opposed to one, you ask? No! :D
This my new side quest in life. Thank you not-a-bot.
Oh my fucking god, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION! 😆😂🤣
Oh I know! It embodies an insult so well though
It sounds like a light Scottish curse, “Song of Wandering Dunsparse” as sung by Jean Redpath like
Dont do dunsparce dirty like that 😆
Would you believe there was a point a Dunsparce was good in the TCG competitively?
Yeah you can say that again lol. Also
Huh?
Nine doors, now
Depends how far apart the houses are. Could still have been nine hours.
Also she may have walked really slowly.
That news article is garbage. It contains only the most superficial of information.
Much better article with many more details.
** It can now be reported that, on July 13, Smith had been informed by her daughter about "devastating" allegations her husband had committed sexual abuse against children "for many years".
This included an allegation of child sexual abuse against the one child Corinna Smith and Michael Baines had together – Craig Baines – who tragically took his own life aged 25 in 2007.
In her sentencing remarks, the judge, The Honourable Mrs Justice Amanda Yip DBE, said: "He had been troubled before his death and had been to prison for a serious assault.
"You and other family members could not understand why Craig's life had taken this course.
"He had told you that the man he attacked had been a paedophile and that he had touched him sexually.
"The day before Craig's death, he had been in some distress and had said: 'Mum, he's a paedophile'.
"You understood him to be referring to the man he had assaulted. Craig seemed happier the next day and you did not explore what he had said further.
"This is something that you have felt guilty about ever since. You blamed yourself for Craig's death although you had no reason to.
"Your trial could not and did not explore the truth of the allegations made against your husband. The prosecution accepted that the allegations were made and that you believed them. No doubt the revelations were extremely distressing for you."**
https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/19433220.cheshire-wife-murdered-husband-boiling-sugar-water-amid-allegations-child-sex-abuser/
Like saccharin?
I think that's UK for sucrose, aka table sugar. I'll assume it is. So yes, saccharin.
It raises the boiling point making the solution hotter than water could be. It also slows evaporation considerably, so the solution stays hot for longer. It also makes the solution thicker and sticky, so it more effectively transfers heat to flesh.
Basically, it's more akin to boiling oil than boiling water. But sticky oil that only gets thicker as it gets hotter.
*Edit, not saccharin, just sugar. See my comment below.
So, more akin to napalm.
More like tar, or boiling pitch. The fluid itself isn't on fire, but it is thick, gummy, sticky, and doesn't come off easily.
The colloquial term for the solution is “prison napalm”, so you would be correct.
Appreciate you explaining it. I wasn't sure why sugar why added and why that detail was pertinent but this makes more sense.
Oh because sugar water gets a lot hotter than just water, it also stays hotter and as previously noted, it sticks.
It's only like saccharin that it's sweet. Saccharine and sugar are two different substances. Saccharin would probably be less effective for her purpose.
Yup, wrote my comment at 3am and missed the joke comparing the article to saccharin. Thought they were asking if that was what was added to the water, and got confused about how I knew the words.
Uuuh TIL about sugar
a chef told me that boiling water and sugar will fully stick to the top layer of skin and harden, not able to wash off. Pulls that top layer of skin off with it!
I thought, in the US at least, that saccharin was a sugar substitute and I can tell you it tastes VILE. 😩
If she killed his pedo ass with saccharin, even better…
You are correct. Saccharin can’t called sugar in the uk. Sugar is called sugar. Saccharine is a sweetener that is indeed vile.
I had to read several articles before I found one that mentioned the sexual abuse rather than just saying it was a "family dispute."
I am absolutely disgusted. Why are they ignoring what he did?
If I weren't broke af, I would put money on her books.
IKR? Unfortunately this happens all to often. Tales like ones of the rapist Brock Allen Turner are far too common, I'm afraid. Fortunately, the rapist Nathan Sutherland got 20 years? for raping a victim at a nursing home and getting her pregnant. This was in AZ and we don't fuck around here==we're an open carry/ccw state (no permit required) and we can still be a little *too* WIld West at times. This monster who abused his kids got what he deserved IMO.
I'm just waiting for 'Don't glaze me, bro!' *sigh*
Dying of molten sugar sounds terrible. Not that he didn't deserve it, but holy shit.
She went medieval on his ass.
Well, act medieval, get medieval response.
this brought me to "play medieval games, win medieval prizes"
She made use of what she had available. Enterprising and efficient. One less monster in the world and I bet her only regret is not doing it sooner.
Not efficient, I think that was intentional
You could argue it was efficient - in making sure he died as painful a death as possible with what he had to work with
Almost better than a pair of pliers and a blow torch.
Marsellus, is that you?
Yes, hillbilly boy.
Zed's Dead baby.
Zed’s dead, baby.
Did you like your breakfast?
Def Lep has a hell of a legacy.
Husband: "I'M HOT!!!! STICKY SWEET! FROM MY HEAD TO MY FEET!!!"
🎶 "Pour some sugar on me! 🎶
" Wait, not like that!"
I make Croquembouches for a living. Yes, molten sugar/caramel burns are terrible. Burning hot and sticky
And when they cool they harden to your skin which is awesome :D
I'm not in your league but I've made hard candy once or twice. Have definitely dripped some on my bare foot before. 0/10 do not recommend.
Mmmmm, I miss profiteroles so much. My ex made GF profiteroles, and while they are good, you literally need to add the cream as you're eating them lest they become soggy in a this is a 'three day old leftover from a party platter sitting in the fridge' way.
Prison napalm. They invented pruno and turning toothbrushes into shivs. What are they going to come up with next? Grilled cheese on a radiator?
Tim Taylor already covered that.
Yeah, but the Shah covered it better
Sure?
The shah of Iran? Did twenty years in the can without a peep?
I read the court transcript another user provided -- took him over a month to die, while in "pain and distress" the entire time (I mean, molten sugar burns to 36% of the body).
Good
My older brother decided to make popcorn balls by himself once when he was around 9 (this was the eighties and we were latchkey kids).
He knocked over the pan and spilled the boiling corn syrup on his foot. I remember him trying to wipe his foot on the carpet and it taking a large chunk of skin off with the syrup. It was just glued to him and he couldn’t get it off without ripping off his skin.
This was a smallish patch, maybe 4”x4”. I cannot imagine what a gallon of water plus three bags of sugar felt like. He deserved it, but that was an absolutely brilliant torture method on her part.
Housewives have the market cornered on low budget murders of horrible husbands.
He may well have ended up with the same grisly end if he'd gone to prison instead. Prisoners know that trick too and have easy access to the ingredients.
sadly not. sex offenders often get separated from other inmates “for their own safety”. they know they are prone to violence. i hate those fucking cockroaches so much
Virginia.
A prisoner went in for child molestation. The guards found him after prisoners raped him and tore his butthole out, they managed to get him to the hospital and saved him. When brought back they found him dead the next day with his intestines pulled out.
Alaska.
A guy raped someone, and her brother shoved a coke bottle up his ass then tossed him off a cliff. Plenty of places to hide the body up here, and plenty of places with long periods of time, without human presence.
Oregon.
They have separate prisons for sex offenders, because they have a habit of dying.
Yeah a little medieval.
She was 21 when she married him and he was 42. I'ma bet she was as much a victim of him as her children where.
Sounds like justice not murder.
CRAZY that I had to scroll this far down. Of course this man was a pedo, he married someone half his age during the middle of his life.
Sadly the kids are gonna end up in the system and her in jail, instead of him in jail being shown prison justice and the kids with mom.
Kids are all adults and one killed himself around 2007, apprently she was tipped off regarding the sexual abuse specifically towards the one who committed suicide.
Her son already took his own life a day after telling her he was a paedophile as I understand it from another source.
I think the son was charged with assaulting another man and when he said, "He's a paedophile," the mom assumed he was referring to the dude he hurt. Poor kid killed himself, never clarifying.
She didn't find out until the attack that her husband was responsible for sexually abusing their kids. Hence, why she lost her shit.
At least, that's the way I read it.
He was 81, she is 59. Though it is not stated in the article, it's a safe bet that their children are adults.
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Can't read the article, Im not paying for shit, I doubt you did also, which implies this is a bad faith statement.
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I actually agree with you, Im even more lefty than that normally and believe NON OFFENDING paedophilia (and the related conditions) should be treated as mental health conditions and seeking treatment should be encouraged when they admit their feelings, rather than condemnation.
Once they offend however, the rates of re offence are astronomically high, even with chemical castration.
So locking them away for life is really the only recourse, and I mean their natural life not the 12-25 years most countries have.
In this particular case though and others like it, if we take a step back and look at things objectively, there's two potential scenarios I can think of that stand out as likely.
This coupled with being told he abused one or more of their children was enough to push her over the edge.
Long story short, someone who isn't psychologically damaged, severely, doesn't do what she did. While certainly not the correct actiom to be taken, it's certainly understandable in the first scenario and kinda understandable in the second.
Especially given his age we can safely assume that he'd probably have never seen justice within the legal system.
Exactly what I was thinking. He was 22 years her senior and married for 38 years. Of course he turned out to be a pedophile.
Better than the parents that don’t believe their children. Just listened to a podcast last week of a woman that was abused by her father from 5-18 yrs old and her mother doesn’t believe her even now, even after the daughter got a recorded apology from him.
My ex (F) was abused by the father, and the mother denied everything because he didn't do it to the boys.
I will never understand those people. It happened to someone I know, their mother chose the side of the pedo boyfriend and called them a liar. Funny though, his OWN FAMILY didn't choose his side because they believed the kids. One of the children was his own blood relative. Thankfully this idiot mom's opinion didn't matter, the guy went to prison and the judge called it the most disturbing case of his career.
When I finally was able to tell my mom what happened to me she yelled at me until I was forced to say I was lying and then she slapped me, told me to get out of her face, and spent days treating me like a horrible person. I was 12 when I finally told her. I was 6 when it started and it happened for a couple of years.
My heart breaks for you, I hope you’re well now.
I am ❤️ it took a few hospitalizations, being properly diagnosed with mental health stuff, lots of therapy, and meds but I’m very happy now. I moved far away, healed myself, found love, and am a mother to an amazing kiddo. My life is great now and I’m grateful for it every single day.
For anyone interested: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/betrayal-weekly/id1615637724?i=1000728329150
What was the podcast?
I was sexually abused by my father - mother witnessed it happening for almost 18 years but denied it after I reported. This is, unfortunately, too common.
Why mix it with sugar?
Molten sugar sticks and stays HOT and doesn’t just run off and cool quickly like scolding water.
If you ever get a molten hot pop tart stuck to your lip it really hurts. Melts on and sticks and keeps burning and won’t come off.
It makes it stick to the skin and it retains heat longer. It’s not dissimilar to things like burning pitch/sap used in siege warfare.
So she poured like a syrup over him?
That’s what it sounds like — three bags of sugar and two kettles of hot water, according to the article linked in this comment. Probably thicker than simple syrup like you’d see as a mixer at a bar, but probably not quite as thick as, say, maple syrup or honey. As other people pointed out, sugar water has a higher boiling point than plain water, so even just adding some sugar to it would raise that temperature, but the volume suggested makes it sound pretty significant.
Fuck me that is a bad way to die... Waking up from your sleep (I imagine) suffocating and burning to death covered in lava hot sticky syrup from which you cannot escape... New phobia unlocked!
I’m not sure you can call an aversion to horrific death a phobia man
He was in hospital for a month according to an article but died from the severity of the damage caused.
Syrup has more water, this was more like molten candy. I’ve been splashed by this kind of mixture before and the little droplets left me with a small patch of freckle-like scars. The only thing that hurt worse was when I had hot slag roll down my back while welding.
Sugar’s melting point is scary hot, and to make candy the temperature and water content all play a role. Here’s a breakdown of the science.
Unless she cooked it for awhile, this is pretty close to a 1:1 simple syrup, a "bag of sugar" in the UK is likely a 1 kg bag and a kettle is usually 1.7 liters (1.7 kg) of water, so 3 bags of sugar to 2 kettles of water would be a 3:3.4 ratio, which is slightly less sugar than common bar syrup for mixing drinks which is 1:1
Interesting. Never heard of that tactic.
Yeah, it was a defensive tactic against the use of scaling ladders/engines, to stop people from getting over the walls in a fortified location.
Sheesh. In the Sentencing Remarks Light_Visored linked it says “At one stage, you suggested that you must have been aiming at his genitals, although there is no evidence that it was directed that way.”
Water that's got sugar mixed in can go above 100C without boiling. Apparently it's called 'jailhouse napalm'.
To raise its boiling point, so you can have water with temperature more than 100 degree celsius.
Sweet justice.
this is not sarcasm, but i hope thiss lady does alright in prison. and i hope her remaining children rest a little easier at night. my aunt used to work in a prison and she talked to a man who did something similar, he killed the guy who molested his child. i remember she said he seemed quite content.
What's the timeline here? The articles are confusing.
At ages 21 and 43 they got married.
39 years later she murders him for being a pedo against their son, who took his own life at age 25. This info came from her daughter but they only had one child together, so the daughter was from a different relationship?
Also, the court says that that the pedo allegations were never investigated.
If I'm piecing this together correctly - and it's very possible I am not - it sounds like the wife had a daughter before the marriage, 39 years later the daughter tells the wife that the husband was a pedo against their son who took his life, and the wife then killed the husband.
Seems like all round best course of action would have been to call the police and have him rot in a cell if he was guilty. Not that I have any sympathy for a pedo but now the wife is in prison.
He attacked the daughter as well.
Try reading the link from this comment, it has more details. From what I understand they got married at 21 and 43. Both already married before and have children. Then they had 1 child together.
Son died in 2007. Daughter made the allegations in 2020 that she and son were both SAd which also contributed to son's suicide. That day, mom wanted to call the police but daughter asked not to, she wants to take a polygraph test first. Daughter also asked the mom not to tell anybody else since she wants to take the test first, which would be her proof that she's telling the truth. Mom agreed, they made plans, appointments, and paid for it that same day.
There's more details but it wasn't mentioned if the son or the daughter was their only child together. And I do agree with you, it would be better if the dad was the one in prison and mom is free. I can't imagine what the daughter must be feeling. Her allegations weren't investigated and her mom is in prison.
I think it might’ve been him that had other kids, if they only had one.
It’s a more fitting punishment than he’d get from being tried for his crimes. I’ve never seen or heard of a pedophile receiving any sort of punishment or sentence suitable for the crimes they committed. In my country, they promote you to President for such acts.
I know someone who knew someone who got 8 years for possessing and distributing over 14,000 images of child pornography and over 1,000 videos. 8 years. That's it. And he lies to people about why he was in prison if he tells them at all. 'Merica.
Tbh, I would do the same if I found my kids being molested. And happily go to jail.
43 year old man marrying a 21 year old girl. Not shocked he was a nonce, I'm just sad it took her 38 years to learn
Free my girl she did nothing wrong
Not really nuclear vengeance, it’s a perfectly reasonable reaction
The article doesn't say anything about him abusing tbf children. But when they got married she was 18 and he was 42... Clearly off to a great start
Nowhere in the article does it say anything about Husband sexually abusing their children, where does this come from?
I found a few other articles that mention it instead of saying "angry after a family dispute", here is one of them.
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/mother-kills-husband-with-boiling-water-after-he-allegedly-sexually-abused-children
OP should have used a link that backs up their own post title though....
She was 21 and he would have been 43 when they first started dating. He’s always been a predator, honestly I’d do the same if someone was assaulting my kids.
Guys, SEXUALLY abusing own CHILDREN? He deserved it!
Sweet old napalm
Why does this article not mention the sexual abuse at all?
Unless I missed it.
Damn prison napalm. What a way to go
Free her
She got her sweet revenge.
I'll see myself out
On that note, my mom used to make sweet popcorn from a recipe handed down from her grandmother. It involves boiling the sugar without caramelizing. She fucked it up once and went to throw it outside, but the wind blew the door back and it spilled all over her hand, then crystallized. It was pretty gnarly.
I dont condone murder, but i also dont think a person that does shit like this deserve any sympathy.
Good for her.
Damn they have a funny way of spelling "suicide"
Tbh, I would do the same if I found my kids being molested. And happily go to jail.
I'm just stuck on the fact that she was 21 and he was FORTY-THREE when they got married...
If I'd been on the jury I'd have done my best for her to be acquitted. Her defence barrister was clearly shit at his job. Temporary insanity when she found out he'd abused the children.
The method makes that a hard sell. She had the wits to basically make homemade napalm. I remember when this happened, and the judge was not the least bit sympathetic to her. The argument was that she was calculated.
I think about this woman from time to time. I think her husband got what he deserved and I hope she's being treated well, wherever she is.
Reading the court transcript, it sounds like her using multiple kettles of water, and having to wait to boil them in sequence and not tandem, is why the court deemed it "premeditated?"
It's still fucked up. My family had a cousin who was sentenced to life in prison without parole because she burned the house down with her husband asleep in it by tossing a lit cigarette onto his blanket. He'd abused her physically and emotionally for years and she finally got tired of it. The courts said something about how she had to light the cigarette, and then wait to ensure it caught the blankets on fire, were the reason they felt it was premeditated for her too.
Jury nullification is possible in the US, not sure about other countries
Does she have a legal defense we can donate to?
I hope she poured it on his junk.
You know what…good for her
I heard he fell into the boiling pot of sugar water
So, she did this because he was molesting her children??? Got it. Where can I donate to her defense fund and/or commissary account?
Valid Crashout, let her walk.
Headline: Corinna Smith poured boiling water mixed with sugar on her husband whilst he slept, killing him…
Me: What a horribly evil woman!!
Headline: …Corinna said that she found out he had been sexually abusing their children.
Me: Oh. Good for her.
Free her
She did nothing wrong
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Oh dear, never mind.
She poured 3KG of sugar, damn
Sounds like she was justified. Poor children.
We don't like p3d0s. We don't like incestous p3d0s more.
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Free my girl, she did nothing wrong.
Good.
Sounds like she was perfectly withing her rights as a parent, I say she is innocent. This is clearly defence of self/children.
you know what, hell yeah.
If I was on that jury I wouldn't convict her.
Good stuff, poor kids though, they might end up in the system now 😞
Why mix sugar? Can anyone explain please
... I don't condemn this, but this was not the best course of action. I read the trial verdict, and I agree with basically all of it. It is possible to feel sympathy for her position and not excuse her actions.
The reports of sexual assault from her children are devastating, and good on her for believing them. However, believing them and having conclusive proof are nowhere near the same thing. I would wholeheartedly endorse the murder if there was conclusive proof, however as it stands, her husband was still innocent until proven guilty.
I think about it like this. The power of the accuser is immense. A woman can publically claim a man sexually assaulted her, and even without proof, that man's life will be ruined. Abusers need to to be punished, but it must be clear to all that they are guilty of the crime.
As it stands, I understand her position, but now her family is divided instead of united (if proof was fully obtained, then the family would likely not be in as much turmoil). Secondly, she managed to land herself in prison, depriving her children of their last (trusted) parental figure.
If she had laid a trap, or had the police or even a private detective conduct covert work... I would have supported her. If she killed him after, I probably still support her. Even then, the man was 80 or something, he realistically was not a threat for truly overpowering or harming the children again. If he went to abuse the kids at his age, his shit would get snapped like a twig, a bad fall would probably land him in the ICU. There was no need to kill him at that time. If he was physically fit, I would understand jumping him in his sleep. But he was a frail ass man, they could have held off until it was needed. As is, this is botched.
Unfortunate event for all involved.
... I wonder what it says about my morality that I can understand and endorse extrajudicial killing of an elderly person under certain circumstances.
she was the greatest guy around
"what about the murder?" what murder? she didnt do anything wrong
Has anyone seen 'the night of'
His sentence was lenient
Queen behaviour
I wouldn't call SA of their children a "family dispute."