There is a poem from years before the original Grinch book called "The Whobub and the Grinch". This is a separate entity to the Grinch, meaning it is his species, since this Grinch also does not have the same job as the Grinch from HTGSC.
OR… that they’re the same person at different stages of life.
This is a young Grinch: cynical, but still energetic and inspired. He sees consumerism for the sham that it is but he’s going to seize that opportunity to make a quick buck.
But after decades of doing so, he’s burnt out. He tried to beat them at their own game and it still left him feeling empty inside. His cynicism truly coalesces and he becomes a bitter old man. And to him, the Who’s Christmas celebration looks like nothing more than a consumerist bacchanal. It’s a manifestation of everything that has made his life hell, both inside and out. He finally snaps.
Mr. Scot is a perfectly reasonable if weird way to address someone, especially if you dislike them (like you would with the Grinch). If anything "Grinch" might actually be a slur which would explain why he's so grumpy all the time.
I mean, he's a who isn't he? I thought he was born in whoville but kicked out because he looked like that. Essentially bullied for a birth defect. But maybe I made that up.
According to the 2000 film, he's "more of a What". Not quite a Who. And he wasn't kicked out, he was raised by Whos but ran away after kids made fun of him in school.
I thought the same as you, but now I see my "Whoville is an ethnostate" theory has been undermined
The engineer character for the show was initially without a name. A second pilot was ordered, and James Doohan ended up playing several accents in his audition, Scottish being the one which made it.
The name for the character came directly from that. He's Mister Scot.
It’s officially Smokey Bear, but there was an ad from the 50s that had a song, and in the song he’s called Smokey the Bear, for the sake of rhythm/tempo/cadence. That song was rather popular and (considering when it was written) catchy- so a lot of people called him Smokey the Bear, and it has stuck around since.
I feel like if your gonna call someone Mr. Ethnicity, that won't necessarily work. However, if you call someone Mr. Slur-for-ethnicity I can see that happening.
From the song lyrics 'you're a mean one, mister Grinch' we can surmise his surname is Grinch. His first name is unknown. As he is often referred to simply as 'The Grinch' he may have no surname at all or like Cher is simply known by one name. He appears to be a different species to the the Who's. We don't know if his species are called Grinches. His behavior has become so notorious that his name is used in common parlance for antisocial antichristmas behavior. He's the literal antichrist(mas).
True. I was struggling to think of a parallel then ran out of energy. Perhaps Mister Grinchs name on his birth certificate is something banal like Graham.
Yea, apparently he wrote an earlier poem with a grinch in it that is a different character. But it’s not a well known poem so it’s reasonable to think their is only one grinch!
I always saw Grinch as a noun that pertains to his character, like The Grouch or The Grump. A grinch being, someone who hates Christmas
Same for titles like The Onceler, it's not his actual name but rather the name of a metaphorical character who represents a characterized version of large tycoons.
Like again, a onceler being someone who thinks of trees and nature as "what happened once," and then got used. Once was here, once was gone, by the onceler
It's a surname, as in Mr. Grinch. But he's also THE Grinch, because it's like, you know the one we're talking about. His cousin, Billy Grinch, is just 'a Grinch'. He's a Fabobaloosits mechanic over in Whereville. The no-first-name-given protagonist is THE Grinch because he is --That Guy--.
I think it's more of a sobriquet. It was probably like "John the Grinch" or something and then everyone eventually just forgot his name and just called him the Grinch.
I think we need to address the idea that the Grinch is possibly a singleton species. Nobody like him ever has existed before him, and nobody like him ever will exist after him. He's the only person with his job (hating Christmas), the only person that looks like himself (hairy and green), and as such, there is no meaningful distinction between his name, occupation and ethnicity.
Like, imagine if there was a brand new species called a "gworp." It looks like nothing that has ever existed, and it does something that nobody has ever done or seen before. The name of the species that this specimen belongs to could be called "gworp," but that could also be this organism's name, and the thing that it does? Since this organism is the only thing that does it, it could be called "gworping." What does a gworp do? It gworps, as its name implies
In my opinion, I only care about the original Dr. Seuss book, the “How the Grinch Stole Christmas” short and “Halloween is Grinch Night”, which were all produced in part by Dr. Seuss.
It’s not his name, we don’t ever get his name afaik. His ethnicity is Who, look at his face and body shape. He’s a Who with green skin/fur. If you go by the original book and the original Grinch shorts, he is identical to the Whos apart from fur color.
Grinch is his position in Who society. He is a hermit of sorts who only comes down on rare occasions called “Grinch Nights” that only occur when very specific weather conditions are met.
It’s unclear what the Grinch does on Grinch Nights, besides ride his wagon down the mountain and dance alone in the dance hall. The Whos are very scared of him and lock their doors.
PS The reason I have a Grinch pfp is that I can relate to him somewhat.
Notably the word “grinch” has been used to describe 3 different characters. THE grinch, a yellow guy in the poem “the Whobub and the grinch” in 1955, and a bird in 1953 called a Beagle-Beaked-Bald-Headed Grinch.
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There is a poem from years before the original Grinch book called "The Whobub and the Grinch". This is a separate entity to the Grinch, meaning it is his species, since this Grinch also does not have the same job as the Grinch from HTGSC.
Martha May Whovier is a monster fucker.
Her and her warlocks
Have you seen the Grinch in the Gameboy Color game?
No but I’ll add it to my roms list and be incredibly confused as to why when I come across it again in a few months
Would
This doesn't rule out the possibility that "Grinch" is their surname and the two are relatives.
OR… that they’re the same person at different stages of life.
This is a young Grinch: cynical, but still energetic and inspired. He sees consumerism for the sham that it is but he’s going to seize that opportunity to make a quick buck.
But after decades of doing so, he’s burnt out. He tried to beat them at their own game and it still left him feeling empty inside. His cynicism truly coalesces and he becomes a bitter old man. And to him, the Who’s Christmas celebration looks like nothing more than a consumerist bacchanal. It’s a manifestation of everything that has made his life hell, both inside and out. He finally snaps.
Wait, am I the Grinch?
this feels like a familiar life trajectory
You wouldn't put "the" before someone's name.
THE BOULDER takes issue with your opinion
Sometimes you do if they’re notoriously cool, like the Fonz or The Rock
You would if you were Portuguese.
That's regional
Maybe there's a degree for being a grinch kind of like a doctorate making it a title
I've seen people do that in some rare cases or in older writing styles.
The Hulk
The Donald
The reclining Whobub sure looks like The Grinch. That Grinch with its green string looks more like a cat without a hat. And who would want that?
not in a house,
not on a mouse.
not with a fox,
nor courtney cox!
Stealing Christmas wasn't his profession. He was just annoyed.
in the live action movie, i think he works for the postal service? sortin everyone's mail, iirc
or they just let the Grinch dick around with everyone's mail at the post office
Tbf the live action movie added a lot of crap to pad things out.
He sneaks in and messes up the mail just to be a menace, he doesn’t have a job he lives basically where all the their trash ends up on the mountain.
His species appears to be closely related to whatever Oscar the Grouch is.
Is the "Grouch" his name or ethnicity or job
This exact reddit comment is what AI is attempting to re-create when people ask Google their random questions
So it would be more like Mr. Man, or calling a dog Mr. Dog, which does happen
The line from the song refers to him as Mr. Grinch, so at least it is his name.
I'm not so sure. People would sometimes refer to others by their jobs like "Mr. Policeman" so I think we're back at square one.
We can at least rule out ethnicity, since it would be like calling someone "Mr. Scottish" or something like that.
Wrong again, Mr. Worldwide.
Picture that in Times Square with a Kodak!
Can confirm
DALE
Mr. Scot is a perfectly reasonable if weird way to address someone, especially if you dislike them (like you would with the Grinch). If anything "Grinch" might actually be a slur which would explain why he's so grumpy all the time.
It’s a slur if you use the hard R.
It's Gwinch among friends
Yo Mista Gwinch
Should I call you mista?
If I am calling someone Mr Scott, he better be working on the warp drive while I try to seduce a green woman.
Or making empty promises to underprivileged students who are not able to afford college tuition given their socioeconomic status
I mean, he's a who isn't he? I thought he was born in whoville but kicked out because he looked like that. Essentially bullied for a birth defect. But maybe I made that up.
According to the 2000 film, he's "more of a What". Not quite a Who. And he wasn't kicked out, he was raised by Whos but ran away after kids made fun of him in school.
I thought the same as you, but now I see my "Whoville is an ethnostate" theory has been undermined
Yea the wind blew him off course and he was delivered to the who’s
That explains why I thought I made it up. I'm pretty sure I repressed most of the memories of that movie as some sort of trauma response.
Why? As per my memory it’s a great movie
I don't know. Haven't seen it for like 2 decades. I don't remember much of anything about it at this point besides the emotional reaction.
Depends how offensive you want to be
Polite racist be like:
Montgomery Scott, the engineer on the Enterprise in Star Trek was Scottish and he was frequently called "Mr. Scott."
Well, that was literally his name.
Thats... kinda backwards.
The engineer character for the show was initially without a name. A second pilot was ordered, and James Doohan ended up playing several accents in his audition, Scottish being the one which made it.
The name for the character came directly from that. He's Mister Scot.
people would say stuff like Chinaman though, which is close.
Yo, Mr. White!
What about Mr. White?
Jesse we need to cook
Smoky Bear’s last name is Bear after all. And Captain Hook was born with that name. No one knew then that he’d one day become a captain
Wait, isn’t it Smokey the Bear? Have I been saying it wrong for decades?
Please tell me this isn’t related to the Bearenstain Bears conundrum.
It’s officially Smokey Bear, but there was an ad from the 50s that had a song, and in the song he’s called Smokey the Bear, for the sake of rhythm/tempo/cadence. That song was rather popular and (considering when it was written) catchy- so a lot of people called him Smokey the Bear, and it has stuck around since.
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I'm Mr. Manager.
Wait a minute Mr. Postman
Mr. President works
Mr. German sort of works
Mr. Jew feels odd
Anyone have more insight?
As someone else pointed out Mr Scot(tish) is a common name
I feel like if your gonna call someone Mr. Ethnicity, that won't necessarily work. However, if you call someone Mr. Slur-for-ethnicity I can see that happening.
Does this mean we all have so much internalised Grinch-racism that we have become blind to it?
Of course not! You can only be racist towards people and Grinches aren't people!
Oh my god, it’s John Grinch
My favorite part was when he yelled "ITS GRINCHING TIME" and grinched all over those guys.
speaking of god, is that his name, ethnicity, or job title?
Also, its the Grinch who stole Christmas. If Grinch was his job title that would be like saying the janitor who mopped the floor.
The janitor always mops twice
My dad calls his neighbor “Mr. Mexican”
Maybe he became a grinch because his family name was already Grinch so there was less paperwork.
reminds me of my dentist, Dr. Crentist
Your dentist's name is Crentist?
maybe that's why he became a dentist
Want an M&M?
You need to floss more
Let me see your teeth, Dwight. LET ME--, LET ME SEE THEM!
The answer is yes
From the song lyrics 'you're a mean one, mister Grinch' we can surmise his surname is Grinch. His first name is unknown. As he is often referred to simply as 'The Grinch' he may have no surname at all or like Cher is simply known by one name. He appears to be a different species to the the Who's. We don't know if his species are called Grinches. His behavior has become so notorious that his name is used in common parlance for antisocial antichristmas behavior. He's the literal antichrist(mas).
First name "The" last name "Grinch"
Cher is just a stage name though, her legal name is Cheryl Sarkisian, and at one point was legally Cheryl Bono.
True. I was struggling to think of a parallel then ran out of energy. Perhaps Mister Grinchs name on his birth certificate is something banal like Graham.
To be completely honest, I'm pretty sure only he's allowed to say the "G" word 😳
With a hard 'R'
Ginch
I’ve always thought of it as his species, like you have the species of Who
In the Jim Carrey version at least, his species is called a "What"
Should have called him a Why.
For Cindy Lou Who, it's both her surname and her species, so maybe Grinch is both too?
I think it's like the Doctor from Doctor Who, they use the definite article because everyone says "The Grinch" even if the song says "Mr. Grinch"
“You’re a mean one, Mr. Grinch.” So, clearly it’s his surname.
But this is an occupational surname like Smith, because his occupation is clearly grinching.
And, because he is evidently the only one of his species that has ever existed, it can also, clearly, be used to describe his ethnicity.
But it’s not true that he’s the only one of his species.
Really? He isn’t? I just dashed my comment off without really thinking. I’m not well versed in the lore.
Yea, apparently he wrote an earlier poem with a grinch in it that is a different character. But it’s not a well known poem so it’s reasonable to think their is only one grinch!
It's amazing that Seuss lore is so deep it has its own apocrypha!
you can call a cat mr cat and that doesn't make cat his name. mister man.
Just like the Underpants Gnomes. See? Very simple!
Then what's his first name?
His first name is also Grinch. Like Sirhan Sirhan.
mario mario?
Luigi Mario
I’m pretty sure his name is the grink
But was he there?
Well obviously it’s all of them at once, his “j-am-city” if you will
"State your name, business, and purpose!"
"Doctor. Doctor. Fun."
"You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch" implies Grinch is his last name.
I like to think he just had a bad first name, like Tyler or Gaylord or something, so he much prefers "grinch"
Gaylord Grinch, Professional Christmas Ruiner.
Leslie.
Technically, his job title is Mean One
Being The Grinch is a mindset ✨️✨️✨️
"Lizardman, Lizardman, and uhhh... Lizardman."
Came here just for this.
It's a racial slur
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I always saw Grinch as a noun that pertains to his character, like The Grouch or The Grump. A grinch being, someone who hates Christmas
Same for titles like The Onceler, it's not his actual name but rather the name of a metaphorical character who represents a characterized version of large tycoons.
Like again, a onceler being someone who thinks of trees and nature as "what happened once," and then got used. Once was here, once was gone, by the onceler
This is the only correct answer.
It's a surname, as in Mr. Grinch. But he's also THE Grinch, because it's like, you know the one we're talking about. His cousin, Billy Grinch, is just 'a Grinch'. He's a Fabobaloosits mechanic over in Whereville. The no-first-name-given protagonist is THE Grinch because he is --That Guy--.
Hello there, friend.
How can you not see?
When it comes to the Grinch.
It’s clearly all three.
ummm. Yeah!
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Was hoping someone else was reminded of this
All of the above. His name is Grinch, and he’s a Grinch who Grinches.
All of it
The answer is yes
Ma'am, hr wants to see you. You cant say the g-word around here. Only if you are part of the green american community.
Yes
Yes.
It’s a slur
His job is so confusing
Guys, what’d I say?
It's his religion AND a race.
Yes
We have a song that answers this.
"Mr. Grinch."
You would say "Mr. Mexican" or "Mr. Doctor"
I have the same question about Mr Peanut
👨🏼⚖️ State your first name, last name and occupation.
🎤 🦎 Lizardman, lizardman, lizardman
Yes
Redditors with the coolest, most hilarious and witty reply to any "or" question: "yes"
I believe it's his surname:
Lowkey good question. I never thought about it before. I would lean towards name since I have heard him referred to as Mr. Grinch.
Yes
Mr. Grinch would signify that ethnicity is out.
I'd lean toward name, but I could understand job. It's a kids story, and I could see a kid call someone 'Mr. Firefighter' or Mr. Principle'.
it’s a mood.
Yes
Yes
Yes.
I think it's more of a sobriquet. It was probably like "John the Grinch" or something and then everyone eventually just forgot his name and just called him the Grinch.
it's his spiritual vocation
His Sexual Orientation
The Who's call him that 'cause they are super bigoted
Yes
I think it’s like with Obie Trice, it’s all of them
Imagine meeting a white guy named Mr. White, the White and he's paid for selling white drugs.
"And here is my best friend, Mr. Purple, from the Purple Mountains. He is a seller of purple."
Maybe the Grink would know
It’s his color combined with his penis size
I think we can all agree that it’s a slur. But the question is what is the slur is slurring.
Pronoun
All of the above
Cindy’s dad says he’s a What, not a Who
Yes
Yes, yes it is.
grinch is derogatory title, the human equivalent would be a guy called mr bitch
Man really said 'what's his class in the character select screen?'
I mean it can be one or more or all. Like in good ol times where people got their name after their profession and/or place of origin.
Yes
Yes
Yes
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I think we need to address the idea that the Grinch is possibly a singleton species. Nobody like him ever has existed before him, and nobody like him ever will exist after him. He's the only person with his job (hating Christmas), the only person that looks like himself (hairy and green), and as such, there is no meaningful distinction between his name, occupation and ethnicity.
Like, imagine if there was a brand new species called a "gworp." It looks like nothing that has ever existed, and it does something that nobody has ever done or seen before. The name of the species that this specimen belongs to could be called "gworp," but that could also be this organism's name, and the thing that it does? Since this organism is the only thing that does it, it could be called "gworping." What does a gworp do? It gworps, as its name implies
This is what HR would meet for 3hrs about but still have no idea
Its a biblical (equivalent) slur.
Yes
I'm a Grinch, and I'm a Grinch
I'd go with it's his ethnicity and because he's the only one like that in the area his name and job just get named afterwards
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Yes.
Yes.
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His lifestyle choice.
His gen der
Yes
species
Yes
It’s his pronouns. The Grinch/The Grinch
In my opinion, I only care about the original Dr. Seuss book, the “How the Grinch Stole Christmas” short and “Halloween is Grinch Night”, which were all produced in part by Dr. Seuss.
It’s not his name, we don’t ever get his name afaik. His ethnicity is Who, look at his face and body shape. He’s a Who with green skin/fur. If you go by the original book and the original Grinch shorts, he is identical to the Whos apart from fur color.
Grinch is his position in Who society. He is a hermit of sorts who only comes down on rare occasions called “Grinch Nights” that only occur when very specific weather conditions are met.
It’s unclear what the Grinch does on Grinch Nights, besides ride his wagon down the mountain and dance alone in the dance hall. The Whos are very scared of him and lock their doors.
PS The reason I have a Grinch pfp is that I can relate to him somewhat.
Yes.
Yes
Yes
It’s their gender.
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It's a size measurement. Great inch = Grinch. No wonder he's grumpy
Notably the word “grinch” has been used to describe 3 different characters. THE grinch, a yellow guy in the poem “the Whobub and the grinch” in 1955, and a bird in 1953 called a Beagle-Beaked-Bald-Headed Grinch.
So I’d say it’s more a nickname almost.
How is Grinch a job?
Obviously