A 120lb petite woman is going to be ill a little bit more when her drinks are served in lead crystal, she's wearing a corset and she's got all this to deal with.
Not to mention the very real disease of Tuberculosis where the best they could think of was the Sanatorium (institutionalizing).
If you had mental health issues as a woman in 1889, and of a kind that would bother people around you or make it hard for you to do your chores, the more likely option was that you'd just get locked up in an insane asylum.
For anyone interested in how stupid easy it was to be institutionalized as a woman, Kate Moore has an amazingly-accessible-despite-its-length book titled The Woman They Could Not Silence that is worth a read.
Sure some are, of course, I won't deny that. But a majority of the women who would be institutionalized in the US and Europe back then nowadays are either considered normal, or even admired for their creativity, or get diagnosed with depression or anxiety or adhd and then get treated with medication until the right dose is found and with the therapy that OOP didn't want. I understand your point, and of course things aren't always good now, but mental healthcare in the past was really quite terrible, and more so for women. So yes... Progress.
I hate it when one person publishes an urban legend as fact and cause its a hook its now taught as facts. Like Albert Einstein for example was not bad in school.
Like Albert Einstein for example was not bad in school.
Thats not technically wrong, but thats also not the whole story.
Einstein might've not been a "bad" student, but he could be considered a "problematic" student.
For one, he was late in developing speech skills, causing his parents to consider that he was intellectually constrained.
For another, he disliked the Gymnasium due to its teaching regimen of Rote learning, a highly memorization based learning strategy, that Einstein rejected on the grounds that they hampen creativity.
This is literally what I was saying ugh. He was NOT BAD IN SCHOOL. People use it as a way to make you feel better if you fail a test which is the pop culture thing I said NOT 🤣🤣🤣 I agreed with you
Being bad in school is also correlated with being bad at school, in both directions.
Somebody that doesnt like school, has less reason to get good at school, just like somebody who is bad at school might not like school just because of that.
Being bad in school is also correlated with being bad at school, in both directions.
They are indeed correlated. However...
I got in trouble once in high school when the science teacher made a change to a test problem that indicated she had no freaking clue how metric units worked. The original problem was fine, but the one she put on the test was off by a factor of 10,000. And I articulated the issue horribly when I tried to point it out. So it became my fault instead of hers. I had a rough couple of days there.
I was still the only one in my class who pulled straight As for the entire year - including in science. So while there might be a correlation between "bad at" and "bad in", I did get the difference between them shoved into my brain.
People use it as a way to make you feel better if you fail a test
Thats because it applies if they just didnt care about the test in the first place.
Not caring about the test also naturally opens up the question of whether the test is worth concentrating on.
People basically use Einstein as a critique of the school system in defense of their unwillingness to obey it, and the thing is... that is perfectly acceptable.
Einstein himself would have likely wanted them to use him as an example to do so.
In fact, he only ever wrote relativity because he had a lot of free time in his office as patent worker, offering him an unusual amount of free time.
Basically everything about Einstein's history should be used as an example of "people need more freedom".
Or the eight spiders rabbit hole video about not trusting snopes because after decades of building trust they just decided to lie for fun and prove a point?
Liquid cocaine administered via anal suppository retains much more of the narcotic effects versus being absorbed through the epithelial tissue lining the nose.
The surface area of the tissue in the rectum allows more of the narcotic to be absorbed in the bloodstream.
The best they could do for you back then was locking you away in an asylum and abusing you for the rest of your life without having your family to advocate for you, after all, families often abandoned the patients (or even relatives they didn't like but were sound) in there.
Sometimes, I am grateful to have been born in this time that we've banned a bunch of legal but inhumane practices on mental health.
Even if psychwards are awful nowadays, they now can't do whatever they want.
The 1890s prescription for mental health is to beat your wife, your children, and to get in fights while you're out drinking the money that you should be spending on your wife and children.
With less than 2000 prescriptions in the us, a lot of those to treat obesity not adhd. So it’s still not really accurate to say we’re micro dosing meth to treat adhd
Less than 2000 prescriptions and a large portion of those are for obesity not ADHD. So no, I wouldn’t say we’re micro dosing meth to treat adhd when it’s less then 0.01%
It's not that different, and acts on the body in a very similar way.
It's all about the dose (and the fact that CNS stimulants work differently on people with ADHD).
Though as a neurotypical person who has tried prescription amphetamines, the typical dose is fairly similar in effect to a couple of large energy drinks.
Around 10,000 people currently iirc, but it is still used in some cases. And I'll be honest, most amphetamines aren't that different aside from how "clean" they feel.
u/ChickenWingExtreme, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...
Pretty sure the remedy for women’s mental health back then was institutionalizing them. Maybe a lobotomy?
The Lobotomy was only a thing starting in the 1930's so nah, they'd just institutionalize or drug them
They think our heads are in their hands
But violent use brings violent plans
Keep him tied, it makes him well
He's getting better, can't you tell?
No more can they keep us in
Listen, damn it, we will win
They see it right, they see it well
But they think that saves us from our hell
You are thinking pre-1980s unless in Ireland or a minority in China.
Last I checked 1889 was per-1980s.
per my last 1980s,
Yes hence why giving lobotomies wouldn’t be very accurate for 1989 USA, almost two decades too late
Edit; I was also off by 100 years from op
Who is talking about 1989? I’ll acknowledge that lobotomies didn’t start happening until the 1930s in the US.
Op meme, the very thread you are on?
Edit; i failed
Do you have dyslexia?
1889 is a bit before my time. Now it all makes sense.
Enjoy your day!
That’s redundant.
One of the treatments for hysteria was getting them off, iirc
A 120lb petite woman is going to be ill a little bit more when her drinks are served in lead crystal, she's wearing a corset and she's got all this to deal with.
Not to mention the very real disease of Tuberculosis where the best they could think of was the Sanatorium (institutionalizing).
Honestly a lobotomy would fix me
If you had mental health issues as a woman in 1889, and of a kind that would bother people around you or make it hard for you to do your chores, the more likely option was that you'd just get locked up in an insane asylum.
For anyone interested in how stupid easy it was to be institutionalized as a woman, Kate Moore has an amazingly-accessible-despite-its-length book titled The Woman They Could Not Silence that is worth a read.
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Sure some are, of course, I won't deny that. But a majority of the women who would be institutionalized in the US and Europe back then nowadays are either considered normal, or even admired for their creativity, or get diagnosed with depression or anxiety or adhd and then get treated with medication until the right dose is found and with the therapy that OOP didn't want. I understand your point, and of course things aren't always good now, but mental healthcare in the past was really quite terrible, and more so for women. So yes... Progress.
Vibrators were invented because they got tired of doing it by hand.
That's an urban legend, doctors were not getting women off. Most doctors probably didn't even know it was possible for them to get off.
Not an urban legend exactly, a research/historian presented their theory as factual in a 1999 book, and pop culture took it and ran with it.
I hate it when one person publishes an urban legend as fact and cause its a hook its now taught as facts. Like Albert Einstein for example was not bad in school.
The way your sentence broke on my screen had me read your comment like
And I was really worried about relativity there for a second
Im so sorry I am dyslexic so i just try to make sure everything is spelled correctly rather than flows correctly should I add a space between the two?
No, no, it wasn't your fault, it's just how it ended up on my phone due to the comment width. You can't do anything to fix it
Thats not technically wrong, but thats also not the whole story.
Einstein might've not been a "bad" student, but he could be considered a "problematic" student.
For one, he was late in developing speech skills, causing his parents to consider that he was intellectually constrained.
For another, he disliked the Gymnasium due to its teaching regimen of Rote learning, a highly memorization based learning strategy, that Einstein rejected on the grounds that they hampen creativity.
You too have made premature judgements based on pop culture, his Wikipedia page explains all of this within the first couple paragraphs
Einstein was almost certainly neurodivergent, and that always comes with its fair share of problems when trying to "fit into society".
This is literally what I was saying ugh. He was NOT BAD IN SCHOOL. People use it as a way to make you feel better if you fail a test which is the pop culture thing I said NOT 🤣🤣🤣 I agreed with you
I think what's getting the two of you is just the weirdness of wording.
Bad at school - bad at tests.
Bad in school - causes problems in class.
So you can easily be good at school but bad in it.
Being bad in school is also correlated with being bad at school, in both directions.
Somebody that doesnt like school, has less reason to get good at school, just like somebody who is bad at school might not like school just because of that.
They are indeed correlated. However...
I got in trouble once in high school when the science teacher made a change to a test problem that indicated she had no freaking clue how metric units worked. The original problem was fine, but the one she put on the test was off by a factor of 10,000. And I articulated the issue horribly when I tried to point it out. So it became my fault instead of hers. I had a rough couple of days there.
I was still the only one in my class who pulled straight As for the entire year - including in science. So while there might be a correlation between "bad at" and "bad in", I did get the difference between them shoved into my brain.
You are right now I feel bad for getting upset at that guy
Thats because it applies if they just didnt care about the test in the first place.
Not caring about the test also naturally opens up the question of whether the test is worth concentrating on.
People basically use Einstein as a critique of the school system in defense of their unwillingness to obey it, and the thing is... that is perfectly acceptable.
Einstein himself would have likely wanted them to use him as an example to do so.
In fact, he only ever wrote relativity because he had a lot of free time in his office as patent worker, offering him an unusual amount of free time.
Basically everything about Einstein's history should be used as an example of "people need more freedom".
Or the eight spiders rabbit hole video about not trusting snopes because after decades of building trust they just decided to lie for fun and prove a point?
If a woman insisted that she could, she would be hospitalized for hysteria.
I'm just imagining a woman explaining the concept and her doctor slowly moving their finger to a big button that says "institutionalize"
Just how often were these women going to the doctor?!
At least one a day
Now you got to jerk them off for amphetamines.
You really made me laugh, this was like finding buried gold at the very bottom of the comments
Original vibrators were used for a variety of ailments, and were not sexual. Basically used as massagers for other parts of the body.
Cocaine was also used medically.
https://preview.redd.it/xbadegfu4m6g1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=473e395b67bec368876352f927db42f94b18d274
Still is, actually. I believe hospitals occasionally still use cocaine hydrochloride as a numbing agent.
Yes, the only real accepted medical use for cocaine was as an ocular numbing agent but even with that I think they moved on to others.
I’m sorry… ocular? Eye coke?!
Yes
It's still in use AFAIK (at least it's still in the Australian database of prescription drugs as an ocular anaesthetic).
I think her grandma went to the wrong doctor 😭
Liquid cocaine administered via anal suppository retains much more of the narcotic effects versus being absorbed through the epithelial tissue lining the nose.
The surface area of the tissue in the rectum allows more of the narcotic to be absorbed in the bloodstream.
Does this work with powder cocaine? Asking for a friend.
Butt sugar
I mean I guess a wet finger afterwards could do the trick if needed. Seems like a recipe for the dump of the century.
Fire in the hole
Ever hear of boofing?
I wish it was 1889 so doctors would just lobotomise me instead of making me go to therapy
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Aah lovely historical misinformation.
The best they could do for you back then was locking you away in an asylum and abusing you for the rest of your life without having your family to advocate for you, after all, families often abandoned the patients (or even relatives they didn't like but were sound) in there.
Sometimes, I am grateful to have been born in this time that we've banned a bunch of legal but inhumane practices on mental health.
Even if psychwards are awful nowadays, they now can't do whatever they want.
Anneewakee
i mean that's what it feels like when you can't find adhd meds that work
just. raw dogging amphetamines.
An important component of my daily wellness routine is getting high and masturbating. I don't advocate it, but it works for me.
The 1890s prescription for mental health is to beat your wife, your children, and to get in fights while you're out drinking the money that you should be spending on your wife and children.
for a woman theyd accuse her of hysteria and imprison her
I was thinking this. Shock therapy and Lobotomies for all women. 😒😒😒
YES i mean nooo that would be bad
Agreed.
Wait was this a thing?!?!?!? I know the cocaine part was but what about the other one?!?!?
Yes
Oh boy!!! 😃😃😃
lmao in 1889 as female you would be isolated for 6-8 weeks even no books allowed,
go do exercises and wash yourself with flannel
or force into marriage and bearing children
what she describes is for rich and influential or atleast those who care
most didnt care
Anytime before modern sounds great. I want quaaludes.
Me: Officer, I'm a doctor and this is a time-honored, historically-accurate therapy.
Police Officer: Sir, you're under arrest.....
Ah the old 'cheer up, bitch!' treatment.
This is what being a dolphin was like in the 60s.
Well cocaine generally makes it difficult to do the other thing
Pretty sure if you wanted to do this today it would be cheaper than a Doctor
Great fun, unless you get something like tuberculosis that needs antibiotics. Then 1889 medicine seems a lot less fun.
Look up “Hysterical Paroxysm”, doctors were wild back in the day
I mean.. real talk.. are psychologists not? Pretty much jerking off your ego and giving you mood altering drugs…
We microdose meth for adhd lol we’re not far off
Amphetamine is an entirely different compound to methamphetamine, it is not a micro dose of meth
Fun fact, medical grade prescribable meth is called Desoxyn.
With less than 2000 prescriptions in the us, a lot of those to treat obesity not adhd. So it’s still not really accurate to say we’re micro dosing meth to treat adhd
100% agree, I just thought I'd drop that little tidbit for funsies
They were most likely talking about desoxyn, which is the currently prescribed form of methamphetamines in the U.S. for ADHD.
Adderall isn't regular amphetamines either, it's a mix of different amphetamine salts.
Desoxyn (methamphetamine hydrochloride) is FDA-approved for ADHD treatment in the U.S.
Less than 2000 prescriptions and a large portion of those are for obesity not ADHD. So no, I wouldn’t say we’re micro dosing meth to treat adhd when it’s less then 0.01%
And here I was thinking I was mildly tripping on dextro-amphetamin every day lmao
It's not that different, and acts on the body in a very similar way.
It's all about the dose (and the fact that CNS stimulants work differently on people with ADHD).
Though as a neurotypical person who has tried prescription amphetamines, the typical dose is fairly similar in effect to a couple of large energy drinks.
You're being down voted because the awareness crowd doesn't know desoxyn is literally methamphetamines, and says so on the bottle.
Which basically no one gets prescribed.
Around 10,000 people currently iirc, but it is still used in some cases. And I'll be honest, most amphetamines aren't that different aside from how "clean" they feel.
My doctor could get me off any time. Pretty Asian lady with big knockers. And I mean big. And she acts all sweet and innocent.
why is this getting downvoted? it’s hilarious!