Have you seen the money disney rakes in with every shitty live action remake? Ignore the reviews and online discourse and check the box office out. Like it or not, there is a significant audience out that prefers live action to animation, and studios want to make money.
I don’t think it’s that people prefer live action disney films but that parents are more likely to take their kids to see movies that they already recognize. Pirates of the Caribbean was pretty much the only successful live action they released before they started doing remakes of their animated films.
Yeah this makes sense as part of it. I can see a family looking to go see a movie or kids wanting to go to one and the parents look at what’s playing and all the only thing they know anything about is Moana.
So Netflix did the witcher. And the first season was okay, nothing amazing but interesting. Then they shit the bed with the next ones. HOWEVER, the shining star of it is they did two animated films. Both are great imo, especially the first one.
Altered Carbon did similar. Great first season, shit second season, but wow, a great animated film to accompany it.
The entirety of Netflix's Altered Carbon live action was awful when put up against the source material. The first season was only bad enough to hate-watch, just to see how they massacred my boy, the second season, ugh, just making up trash wholesale, like with The Witcher.
My unpopular opinion is the best of Star Wars is animated and none of the films come close imo.
That's a take for sure.
I believe it's as simple as Star Wars is at it's best when it's done by competent people who care about the franchise.
The prequels suck imo, so maybe that's an exception tho I would argue Lucas was never that competent when not kept in check. From what I heard the og trilogy only rrally turned out as good as it did, because if people who helped Lucas. He cared but definitly needed help with it.
Anyways the og trilogy, clone wars, Rogue One, Mandalorian s1 and 2, KOTOR and espacially Andor all in their own ways the best of the franchise in some aspects. So kind of doesn't matter what form it takes, be it live action, animated or even a game.
But studios won’t do it as much because cartoons are for kids or whatever rubbish logic they use to justify shit live action movies.
Is that really true tho?
Since Disney took over it feels like there have been plenty of animated shows, atleast more than before.
Iirc there were Clone Wars S7, Star Wars Rebels, Star Wars Visions, Tales of the Jedi/ Sith and Bad Batch.
Star Wars television has mostly been unaffected by anti animation ideas. Rebels, Resistance, Clone Wars S7, The Bad Batch, Tales of ____ all came after the Disney purchase. They also have the Young Jedi Adventures kids show. But this likely due to The Clone Wars being so heavily established and fairly popular prior to the purchase.
But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a reason they haven’t tried an animated movie yet. They are likely afraid of taking a live action franchise (in theaters) and doing an animated movie, and it would be due to the idea that animation is for kids.
The only animated Star Wars movie that exists and received a theatrical release was cobbled together clone wars episodes and is basically universally hated lol so im sure it doesnt help.
Well sure, but thats all we got holding the line is what im saying. The Prequels and Sequels were mid, the OG Trilogy and Andor are the only "good" live action star wars imo
This is 100% for normies that feel they wouldn't be taken seriously for following and discussing a cartoon instead of a real show like game of thrones and squid games.
Yeah, the effects aren't bad, mostly, and theoretically that should be the hardest part.
Unfortunately, the characters, story changes, and costumes are bad. Which are pretty important things to have not be bad in your adaptation of a cartoon renowned for its characters, story, and visuals.
"unearned" was the word I used to describe this live action version. They played the music for "brave soldier boy, comes marching home" during a conversation between Iroh and what's his face, with no set up for it, no real development of any of the background, absolutely nothing. They just wanted to cash in on the feels of anyone that has seen the original cartoon and understands the context which is ...
the effects are part of the issue because it seems they decided they don't need to do anything more than throw effects on screen. every fight or important moment lacks good choreography or proper camera work and the acting is just so bad
AI slop is souless as are almost all live action adaptations of animated classics...nobody argued otherwise. And nobody here said claimed they watch these.
Also atleast the live action adaptations involve actual humans that can offer some humour or something. AI on the other hand is literally souless and takes absolutely no talent, skills or anything to use.
People also act as if this version is SO MUCH better then the M. Night movie. But apart from the one eart benders scene and them saying the names wrong it really isnt that different. Katara in that version is much better and personally i like the costumes more. The dialogue is MUCH better aswell. All in all i still prefer the netflix version because zuko and iroh are thr only characters worth making a live action about in my opinion. Bless sokkas actor in the netflix version though he is trying SO HARD but the dialgue is just straight trash. The effects in the netflix version are way better though waayyy.
It's because they don't respect animation as a medium. I'm a bit more fine with this show because of the disastrous and non-existent film, but generally that's why live action females are made.
They shoukd have filmed all seasons at once, it's really dumb how the whole series times places in 1 years but the 12 years old characters are going to take back pain medication by the end of it
This is it exactly. I think I would have been a lot more interested in a live action Avatar show if it was a new story in the Avatar universe, or maybe a spin off that focuses on characters we know but didn't get much time with.
He’s not, as far as I know they’re just aiming for 3 as A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms are largely self contained novellas rather than a proper series like Asoiaf.
A part of that is working conditions. A 26-ep season every year requires enormous amounts of crunch from everyone involved. No breaks, no off days, no possibility of delays, you need to put out an episode every week no matter what. You’d celebrate the wrap on one season and then the next day be right back in the office writing the next. Nowadays, it’s harder to make writers and actors work like that.
? You don't work 8 hour days on film sets, most days you work 12, sometimes longer on non-union sets because that 12-hour turnaround is only mandated by film unions. Sometimes (most of the time) you work weekends, too. It's not the world's most difficult job but it ain't an easy one, either, especially the further down the food chain you go.
I mean, look, I'm not gonna say the job is as demanding as like, building a skyscraper or being a surgeon or something but running around on your feet for 12 hours a day to make a film is either as stressful or more than (probably more than) your average desk job.
And what do you mean limited time? Do you mean every job's actually a gig and you don't have the stability of a regular desk/office job if you're not an above-the-line member of cast or crew? Idk what you think the average member of a movie crew does or how much they get paid but most people involved in a movie production aren't making the money Chris Nolan or Daniel Craig do.
Man this is the thing about these long breaks in TV i’m so surprised nobody brings up. Tbh it’s not even the writers and actors. Television writers would be absolutely thrilled to be able to work seasons back to back, they’re starving for work out there. The real crunch comes from our lovely folks in post and VFX. A 22 episode season every year for a show like Avatar or Stranger things would be hell on Earth for them. Unfortunately the reality is if we want to treat our postproduction crew well, the longer time between seasons is a necessary sacrifice.
Because executives are cowards that don’t want to take even the smallest risk. So they’ll make one season, wait to see if it’s successful, and only then authorize the next season to begin production. (Instead of each season being produced right after the other)
Well syndication is no longer a thing, so shows are not squeezing towards those cozy 100 episodes.
That, and now every show needs to be a smashing success or nothing. A new season is defined by a spreadsheet/algorithm, and it never values long term branding or gain for potentially improving seasons. In short, many series that started getting good in their second, or even third season no longer exist under this streaming model. Each season is either an outstanding success, or the last season without any clear notice
Before, there was a mentality that the show would pay itself because of TV advertisements during breaks so it wasn't that much of a risk. When the first season was airing, they were already working on the third season.
That din't always work, hence why some shows were still cancelled after one season. But today with streaming it's just too big of a risk to greenlit 3 season at once. So they usually greenlit the first season, see if there's interest and then greenlit more after.
One Piece and Invincible for example had big gaps between seasons 1 and 2, but not so much after that (I believe that will be the case for OP)
i haven't watched the original atla so i dont know if itd work for that but if you can abbreviate the story enough to fit the planned seasons and can actually pass the irl time between seasons in the fictional time then i think it works. if atla is a story that can be abbreviated in such a way i feel like it can probably work?
The problem is that if you condense the story, you lose a lot of the charm of some of the minor side stories. You could tell the story of aang becoming the avatar in like six or seven episodes if you strip out all the stuff about developing relationships with his friends and teachers, or learning why the avatar needs to return.
Boy emerges, boy learns magic from those he meets while wandering the world, boy forced to fight in a war, final showdown, done. But it wouldn't be the same story without the little moments of growth that take place a little bit at a time over multiple episodes.
Edit to add: the story takes place over the course of less than a year
again i havent watched it, but i think abbreviations generally work in the logic of, if you like it enough, you can just see the longer version to get even more, but here's the basics in big production.
I mean wats the alternative, hiring a 22 year old that looks 15 Daniel LaRusso style? The actor would still age years in between seasons so ig it's a roll of the dice either way.
They had Korea right there. A series that had notable problems flaws that could have been polished (also a cast old enough that they wouldn't noticeably age between seasons). But no, they decide to remake what is essentially a perfect show. There was literally nowhere they could go but down.
I would be so down for a korra series thats more thought out and streamlined (and gets rid of evil and good spirit kajus, god that RUINED korra for me) there are so so many great ideas and plots in korra but it could have been so nuch better
I didn't dislike Vaatu and Raava as a concept... If they didn't already have an established lore concerning how the various bendings were created (like, how do the lion turtles giving powers to the humans interact with the fact that they already explained that people learnt earthbending from the badger moles, or that two spirit fishes which also represent Yin and Yang, but aren't Vaatu and Raava somehow control water bending? How do dragons fit in the firebending lore?!? And, more importantly, since Vaatu and Raava are kinda a little bit important, why did none of the previous avatars ever mention them despite being spiritually linked directly to Avatar Wan? ) My main issue is that since the writers were never sure if they'll get a new season, we had four more or less disjointed stories that just so happened to star Korra and her friends and that had to conclude in one "book" ( Anti-benders; the Water tribe insurrection; the red lotus and Kuvira's fun time with the Reich) rather than one unified story that was allowed to flow properly from season to season (which also affected the characterization of Korra and Ko. E.g.: at least in the first three seasons Korra has to basically relearn again and again to not be a brash hothead)
Yeah, a reimagining of Korra where it's actually, you know, one actual show and not basically four separate seasons all wrote without being sure they'll ever get another one (barring maybe S3 and 4, they felt a little more coherent with one another, barring the in-story three year time skip) would probably do wonders for the narrative coherence
I mean I didn't hate it, they certainly didn't skimp on the visual budget and it shows 🤩 but they took away Aang's reluctance to be the Avatar, which which the reason why like half the plot of book 1 happens
Really? I thought it was pretty bad. The only thing I liked was how they made zuko's crew consist of everyone he saved by speaking out during the meeting. But everything else is a fumble
Jeez. Those being hostile towards you for simply liking something is just insane.
Personally I thought the show was alright. I did enjoy the expansion on some of Zukos story. Like his connection to his ship and crew. I'm pretty interested in seeing what else they try.
I do thoroughly enjoy these threads because half the people will say “wow we didn’t need a live action of the same exact story” and almost everyone else will complain about every single change to the story
I thought it captured the original book 1 really well. My only complaint is that it had no sense of humor, which was a major part of the original series.
Well yeah, the tibetan monk inspired culture, the imperial japan inspired culture, the china inspired culture and the inuit inspired culture are going to need asian actors for a live action version of the show.
The world of Avatar is so huge. They could’ve told any story, but instead they’re giving us the same show just not as good? If they wanted an Aang plot so bad, just make a show where they’re adults.
Media franchises are piss scared to launch new IPS but also don't want to pay creatives to make new ones and risk them not being liked. So they just rehash, reboot, redo the same crap over and over again.
This is why HBO has to be locked in with the Harry Potter show. Yall better dust off your GOT mentality and get them yearly seasons or it’s gonna look weird
Honestly I’m happy to see them grow up. The older I get the harder it is to watch a 12 year old lead an army of trained warriors and take it seriously. Not knocking the original, I’ve seen it and liked it. Just saying that it’s easier to overlook the ages in an animation for me.
It was a big mistake to start them as young as the show.
Both because you never know how kids will age or how fast, but also because it really goes against the supposedly more "game of thrones" tone they were going for as they explicitly stated.
Netflix is looking for their game of thrones but also is to lazy to hope for another stranger things so they just try to adapt cartoons with deep storylines because they already have a huge fan base but they would be even bigger if it was live action! Is there thought process. They say now it’s only planned for 3 seasons but originally they planned for it to be much much more. They tried it with cowboy bebop, one piece and the witcher
Netflix is doing the One Piece live action that can only last for another two seasons and the actress who plays nami is already twice the age of the character she plays (it might happen when you cast a 30+ actor for the role of a 16yo.girl).
To answer your question, companies don't know how to make good things anymore but they still want to make money, so they repackage something they know you already like hoping you will watch it purely out of nostalgic memories of the thing you like.
Could they take the hundreds of million they are spending on this, divide it in 10 and invest into ten different projects of unknown talented directors and writers? Yes. Are they going to? Fuck no!
Feel like you might as well make the live action adaptation so different that people can’t compare them. I mean make it gory, hard R, different plot elements, etc.
At least them, they’d be able to exist together as different experiences.
Shot for shot remakes treating the original cartoon as storyboards are doomed to come up short.
u/RadcliffeMalice, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...
looking good for 112
They could always pass it off that by thawing him out, he also rapidly ages to catch up on lost time. /s
I hate this live action trend. Somethings can't be translated well. Just seems like a cheap grab instead of trying to tell new stories.
100% agree,
My unpopular opinion is the best of Star Wars is animated and none of the films come close imo.
But studios won’t do it as much because cartoons are for kids or whatever rubbish logic they use to justify shit live action movies.
Have you seen the money disney rakes in with every shitty live action remake? Ignore the reviews and online discourse and check the box office out. Like it or not, there is a significant audience out that prefers live action to animation, and studios want to make money.
I don’t think it’s that people prefer live action disney films but that parents are more likely to take their kids to see movies that they already recognize. Pirates of the Caribbean was pretty much the only successful live action they released before they started doing remakes of their animated films.
Yeah this makes sense as part of it. I can see a family looking to go see a movie or kids wanting to go to one and the parents look at what’s playing and all the only thing they know anything about is Moana.
So Netflix did the witcher. And the first season was okay, nothing amazing but interesting. Then they shit the bed with the next ones. HOWEVER, the shining star of it is they did two animated films. Both are great imo, especially the first one.
Altered Carbon did similar. Great first season, shit second season, but wow, a great animated film to accompany it.
The entirety of Netflix's Altered Carbon live action was awful when put up against the source material. The first season was only bad enough to hate-watch, just to see how they massacred my boy, the second season, ugh, just making up trash wholesale, like with The Witcher.
I hate you Netflix, get vertically impaled.
First season is pretty faithful in Altered Carbon, what?
Plus, I think the choice of actors was really well done, compared to the dogshit the second season did.
That's a take for sure.
I believe it's as simple as Star Wars is at it's best when it's done by competent people who care about the franchise.
The prequels suck imo, so maybe that's an exception tho I would argue Lucas was never that competent when not kept in check. From what I heard the og trilogy only rrally turned out as good as it did, because if people who helped Lucas. He cared but definitly needed help with it.
Anyways the og trilogy, clone wars, Rogue One, Mandalorian s1 and 2, KOTOR and espacially Andor all in their own ways the best of the franchise in some aspects. So kind of doesn't matter what form it takes, be it live action, animated or even a game.
Is that really true tho?
Since Disney took over it feels like there have been plenty of animated shows, atleast more than before.
Iirc there were Clone Wars S7, Star Wars Rebels, Star Wars Visions, Tales of the Jedi/ Sith and Bad Batch.
Star Wars television has mostly been unaffected by anti animation ideas. Rebels, Resistance, Clone Wars S7, The Bad Batch, Tales of ____ all came after the Disney purchase. They also have the Young Jedi Adventures kids show. But this likely due to The Clone Wars being so heavily established and fairly popular prior to the purchase.
But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a reason they haven’t tried an animated movie yet. They are likely afraid of taking a live action franchise (in theaters) and doing an animated movie, and it would be due to the idea that animation is for kids.
They haven’t done a movie since the rise of skywalker. The sequels being so poorly received is why there haven’t been movies in general.
They need to get the core of stars wars movies back on track (live action) before they delve into new territory.
Disney doesn’t have anything against animated movies. They make a shit ton of money off of them. Star Wars is just in an odd spot.
The only animated Star Wars movie that exists and received a theatrical release was cobbled together clone wars episodes and is basically universally hated lol so im sure it doesnt help.
I agree with this take. Rogue One was a love letter to the animated shows and Andor is the only thing that beats Clone Wars for me.
I mean this probably just true at this point. They have put out alot of live action slop that certainly outweighs the good live action stuff
Kenobi and boba fett being slop doesn’t mean empire strikes back sucks now lol
Well sure, but thats all we got holding the line is what im saying. The Prequels and Sequels were mid, the OG Trilogy and Andor are the only "good" live action star wars imo
Rebels is my favorite Star Wars story. And Clone Wars is perhaps the more impactful even with the outdated animation.
Clone wars and rebels are not better than the empire strikes back lmao
This is 100% for normies that feel they wouldn't be taken seriously for following and discussing a cartoon instead of a real show like game of thrones and squid games.
This show absolutely could be translated well.
They didn't do it well.
But it 100% could be done.
Take One Piece as an example
Okay but that one is kinda cheating cause it’s budget is simply ridiculous
Yeah, the effects aren't bad, mostly, and theoretically that should be the hardest part.
Unfortunately, the characters, story changes, and costumes are bad. Which are pretty important things to have not be bad in your adaptation of a cartoon renowned for its characters, story, and visuals.
"unearned" was the word I used to describe this live action version. They played the music for "brave soldier boy, comes marching home" during a conversation between Iroh and what's his face, with no set up for it, no real development of any of the background, absolutely nothing. They just wanted to cash in on the feels of anyone that has seen the original cartoon and understands the context which is ...
unearned.
the effects are part of the issue because it seems they decided they don't need to do anything more than throw effects on screen. every fight or important moment lacks good choreography or proper camera work and the acting is just so bad
Soon it won’t be live action and prob all AI generated actors. At least they won’t age and be more consistent lol.
Ew tho
So an animated series?
glances at the CGI Lion King remake which is classified as the best box office animated movie performance
I thought people were offended that people insisted it was live action?
Its all CGI. I mean its disgusting that something that sort of "animation" has dethroned classic animation, but its still not real.
It would be like calling a really good looking video game live action.
Uncharted movie is right there with it's full cgi stunts.
"But AI slop is soulless" says the people who watch these soulless live action adaptations.
They're both soulless.
You say this as if I was insinuating otherwise.
AI slop is souless as are almost all live action adaptations of animated classics...nobody argued otherwise. And nobody here said claimed they watch these.
Also atleast the live action adaptations involve actual humans that can offer some humour or something. AI on the other hand is literally souless and takes absolutely no talent, skills or anything to use.
Fuck off with your clanker bs.
"Nobody argued otherwise" and yet people keep watching live action remakes, huh?
People also act as if this version is SO MUCH better then the M. Night movie. But apart from the one eart benders scene and them saying the names wrong it really isnt that different. Katara in that version is much better and personally i like the costumes more. The dialogue is MUCH better aswell. All in all i still prefer the netflix version because zuko and iroh are thr only characters worth making a live action about in my opinion. Bless sokkas actor in the netflix version though he is trying SO HARD but the dialgue is just straight trash. The effects in the netflix version are way better though waayyy.
Except Hollywood is so damn risk averse they won't even think of trying something new (IP-wise) unless it has already established names tied to it.
TBH, can’t blame them when audiences are so fickle these days. The masses yearn for remakes, unfortunately.
Yeah, unfortunately that still seems to make a lot of money. See the same stuff happening in the gaming space.
It's because they don't respect animation as a medium. I'm a bit more fine with this show because of the disastrous and non-existent film, but generally that's why live action females are made.
They think animation is kid shit
They shoukd have filmed all seasons at once, it's really dumb how the whole series times places in 1 years but the 12 years old characters are going to take back pain medication by the end of it
This is it exactly. I think I would have been a lot more interested in a live action Avatar show if it was a new story in the Avatar universe, or maybe a spin off that focuses on characters we know but didn't get much time with.
It is a cash grab! Now buy a Netflix subscription.
Consume nostalgia, purchase nostalgia, ingest nostalgia, worship nostalgia
I liked it though :(
It's the same as creating "popular series/movie 2, 3, 4, 5" , people who liked the first one might be lured into watching it, therefore $$$
One Piece is a great live adaptation. Not all are going to be bangers. The Disney live action movies have always been terrible though.
Why do they keep casting child actors as main characters in live action shows that take years to make new seasons for
A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms seems to have understood this as they intended to shoot the next two seasons of that back to back.
Well, the atla live action did shoot season 2 and 3 back to back
But with a huge gap between 1 and 2.
And ironically enough (while not that big) the in-story time-gap was actually between season 2 and 3
How in Martin going to finnish the other 4 books of the series in just 2 years?
He’s not, as far as I know they’re just aiming for 3 as A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms are largely self contained novellas rather than a proper series like Asoiaf.
Why do they keep taking years between seasons, dammit? What happened to the days when we'd get 26 episodes a year every year?
A part of that is working conditions. A 26-ep season every year requires enormous amounts of crunch from everyone involved. No breaks, no off days, no possibility of delays, you need to put out an episode every week no matter what. You’d celebrate the wrap on one season and then the next day be right back in the office writing the next. Nowadays, it’s harder to make writers and actors work like that.
It’s also VFX. Breaking Bad did 10+ episodes annually for 5 years. The post production alone for Pluribus took more than a year.
Which is crazy because that's every job.
Yeah i know acting is demanding but damn it really puts it into perspective like, most people work 75%+ of the year 8 hours a day dawg…
? You don't work 8 hour days on film sets, most days you work 12, sometimes longer on non-union sets because that 12-hour turnaround is only mandated by film unions. Sometimes (most of the time) you work weekends, too. It's not the world's most difficult job but it ain't an easy one, either, especially the further down the food chain you go.
Yeah but it's really not that hard either, let's not pretend. And it's limited time.
I mean, look, I'm not gonna say the job is as demanding as like, building a skyscraper or being a surgeon or something but running around on your feet for 12 hours a day to make a film is either as stressful or more than (probably more than) your average desk job.
And what do you mean limited time? Do you mean every job's actually a gig and you don't have the stability of a regular desk/office job if you're not an above-the-line member of cast or crew? Idk what you think the average member of a movie crew does or how much they get paid but most people involved in a movie production aren't making the money Chris Nolan or Daniel Craig do.
Oh, you’ve starred in a TV show? Which one?
Man this is the thing about these long breaks in TV i’m so surprised nobody brings up. Tbh it’s not even the writers and actors. Television writers would be absolutely thrilled to be able to work seasons back to back, they’re starving for work out there. The real crunch comes from our lovely folks in post and VFX. A 22 episode season every year for a show like Avatar or Stranger things would be hell on Earth for them. Unfortunately the reality is if we want to treat our postproduction crew well, the longer time between seasons is a necessary sacrifice.
Because executives are cowards that don’t want to take even the smallest risk. So they’ll make one season, wait to see if it’s successful, and only then authorize the next season to begin production. (Instead of each season being produced right after the other)
That happened in the past too my guy
Hell, there were cases of shows being canceled mid season even
And there are cases of shows like Pluribus that already have second season confirmed
Well syndication is no longer a thing, so shows are not squeezing towards those cozy 100 episodes.
That, and now every show needs to be a smashing success or nothing. A new season is defined by a spreadsheet/algorithm, and it never values long term branding or gain for potentially improving seasons. In short, many series that started getting good in their second, or even third season no longer exist under this streaming model. Each season is either an outstanding success, or the last season without any clear notice
Before, there was a mentality that the show would pay itself because of TV advertisements during breaks so it wasn't that much of a risk. When the first season was airing, they were already working on the third season.
That din't always work, hence why some shows were still cancelled after one season. But today with streaming it's just too big of a risk to greenlit 3 season at once. So they usually greenlit the first season, see if there's interest and then greenlit more after.
One Piece and Invincible for example had big gaps between seasons 1 and 2, but not so much after that (I believe that will be the case for OP)
They filmed all of sweet tooth without the kid getting his driver’s license. So it can be done apparently.
Or better yet, why don't they update the stories for original shows like Stranger Things so that they match up with ages.
That takes hard work and planning that cokeheads just aren't able to do
Game of thrones story takes places in just 2 years. John Snow is just 17 in the final book.
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Yeah like, it's fine if the story is supposed to take place over multiple years. ATLA is not.
i haven't watched the original atla so i dont know if itd work for that but if you can abbreviate the story enough to fit the planned seasons and can actually pass the irl time between seasons in the fictional time then i think it works. if atla is a story that can be abbreviated in such a way i feel like it can probably work?
The problem is that if you condense the story, you lose a lot of the charm of some of the minor side stories. You could tell the story of aang becoming the avatar in like six or seven episodes if you strip out all the stuff about developing relationships with his friends and teachers, or learning why the avatar needs to return.
Boy emerges, boy learns magic from those he meets while wandering the world, boy forced to fight in a war, final showdown, done. But it wouldn't be the same story without the little moments of growth that take place a little bit at a time over multiple episodes.
Edit to add: the story takes place over the course of less than a year
again i havent watched it, but i think abbreviations generally work in the logic of, if you like it enough, you can just see the longer version to get even more, but here's the basics in big production.
Because kids grow up fast, and by the time the next season drops, they might not fit the role anymore.
Exactly, hence why I'm asking why they keep doing it
I mean wats the alternative, hiring a 22 year old that looks 15 Daniel LaRusso style? The actor would still age years in between seasons so ig it's a roll of the dice either way.
I would have KILLED for a Live Action Roku or Kyoshi adaptation, but NOOOOOOOOO. We have to have the same fucking show again but worse this time.
They had Korea right there. A series that had notable problems flaws that could have been polished (also a cast old enough that they wouldn't noticeably age between seasons). But no, they decide to remake what is essentially a perfect show. There was literally nowhere they could go but down.
I would be so down for a korra series thats more thought out and streamlined (and gets rid of evil and good spirit kajus, god that RUINED korra for me) there are so so many great ideas and plots in korra but it could have been so nuch better
Thank you for clarifying that the previous poster meant Korra, I was wondering when Korea made an Avatar season.
I didn't dislike Vaatu and Raava as a concept... If they didn't already have an established lore concerning how the various bendings were created (like, how do the lion turtles giving powers to the humans interact with the fact that they already explained that people learnt earthbending from the badger moles, or that two spirit fishes which also represent Yin and Yang, but aren't Vaatu and Raava somehow control water bending? How do dragons fit in the firebending lore?!? And, more importantly, since Vaatu and Raava are kinda a little bit important, why did none of the previous avatars ever mention them despite being spiritually linked directly to Avatar Wan? ) My main issue is that since the writers were never sure if they'll get a new season, we had four more or less disjointed stories that just so happened to star Korra and her friends and that had to conclude in one "book" ( Anti-benders; the Water tribe insurrection; the red lotus and Kuvira's fun time with the Reich) rather than one unified story that was allowed to flow properly from season to season (which also affected the characterization of Korra and Ko. E.g.: at least in the first three seasons Korra has to basically relearn again and again to not be a brash hothead)
Yeah, a reimagining of Korra where it's actually, you know, one actual show and not basically four separate seasons all wrote without being sure they'll ever get another one (barring maybe S3 and 4, they felt a little more coherent with one another, barring the in-story three year time skip) would probably do wonders for the narrative coherence
i really liked the season we got so far honestly
I mean it's okay, but you know what was always there? The ORIGINAL that's better in EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY. It just feels unnecessary
I'm just so tired of everything apparently needing a live action remake. And then they have to do it again because it sucked, and so on.
I'd love a full budget re animated version of avatar with more budget but keeping the same style. But they would never do that.
I mean I didn't hate it, they certainly didn't skimp on the visual budget and it shows 🤩 but they took away Aang's reluctance to be the Avatar, which which the reason why like half the plot of book 1 happens
Nobody really retained their charakter flaws. Apart from katara who instead is now a wet blanket that doesnt even resemble her at all
Really? I thought it was pretty bad. The only thing I liked was how they made zuko's crew consist of everyone he saved by speaking out during the meeting. But everything else is a fumble
Jeez. Those being hostile towards you for simply liking something is just insane.
Personally I thought the show was alright. I did enjoy the expansion on some of Zukos story. Like his connection to his ship and crew. I'm pretty interested in seeing what else they try.
I do thoroughly enjoy these threads because half the people will say “wow we didn’t need a live action of the same exact story” and almost everyone else will complain about every single change to the story
I agree, it’s a decent show
I thought it captured the original book 1 really well. My only complaint is that it had no sense of humor, which was a major part of the original series.
oh so it‘s your fault we get served this slop, thanks.
100% agree on this and then they always act like it's so different than before
For the 3rd time. The Shamalan movie was already repeating the show
Yeah, and that too was ass. Did we really need to try again?
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I... I don't even.........
lmao... no. most of the problems with this show are in the writers' room.
Bait used to be believable.
I think the problem is not the race of the actors
"Darn asians, they can't even act"
Well yeah, the tibetan monk inspired culture, the imperial japan inspired culture, the china inspired culture and the inuit inspired culture are going to need asian actors for a live action version of the show.
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The world of Avatar is so huge. They could’ve told any story, but instead they’re giving us the same show just not as good? If they wanted an Aang plot so bad, just make a show where they’re adults.
Cause those comics aren't finished yet (I'm guessing)
I mean, older Aang is literally that new animated film they're making, so clearly that's not an issue with them.
I'm still upset they recast most of the voices for that movie. Jack De Sena IS Sokka, the character wouldn't be the same without him.
Not really, the Avatar planet is really small, smaller than Kazakhstan
They mean worldbuilding/lore wise.
Money
Media franchises are piss scared to launch new IPS but also don't want to pay creatives to make new ones and risk them not being liked. So they just rehash, reboot, redo the same crap over and over again.
I legit forgot there was going to be a season 2.
Man I was living a great life and then this post had to remind me that this show exists.
Money
Did they forget that all of AtLA took place from winter to summer, like 8-9 months
Best ages for live actions are in their final 20s or in their 30s to start the series, the actors will get older but it would be less noticable.
Let's make a live-action adaptation of this animated show whose main character is a 12 year old boy, what could go wrong?
This is why HBO has to be locked in with the Harry Potter show. Yall better dust off your GOT mentality and get them yearly seasons or it’s gonna look weird
Honestly I’m happy to see them grow up. The older I get the harder it is to watch a 12 year old lead an army of trained warriors and take it seriously. Not knocking the original, I’ve seen it and liked it. Just saying that it’s easier to overlook the ages in an animation for me.
To bring the IP to a wider audience (the ew cartoons crowd) to make money.
Serves the ew cartoons crowd right, I guess. Must suck to always have the inferior version of any media.
The 5th element - mewing
It was a big mistake to start them as young as the show.
Both because you never know how kids will age or how fast, but also because it really goes against the supposedly more "game of thrones" tone they were going for as they explicitly stated.
You know what'd be a novel idea?
Recasting.
Every season.
I didn't finish watching the first season
Good. It'll make the age gap with Katara less uncomfortable.
I swear, atp: this franchise is just cursed to never have a decent live action adaptation.
Percy Jackson series could probably be thrown into the list of why live action too.
The actors and actresses might be full adults by the time the series finishes.
First season was good
lmao no it absolutely was not. The writing was atrocious
It was okay. But making an okay adaptation from a masterpiece is a skill issue imo.
I guess if you watched it while scrolling tiktok it was, but I suppose that's the kinda audience it was made for anyway
But look at what they did to uncle iroh!
Netflix is looking for their game of thrones but also is to lazy to hope for another stranger things so they just try to adapt cartoons with deep storylines because they already have a huge fan base but they would be even bigger if it was live action! Is there thought process. They say now it’s only planned for 3 seasons but originally they planned for it to be much much more. They tried it with cowboy bebop, one piece and the witcher
So where does that info actually come from?
Netflix is doing the One Piece live action that can only last for another two seasons and the actress who plays nami is already twice the age of the character she plays (it might happen when you cast a 30+ actor for the role of a 16yo.girl).
Sadly this is still a masterpiece compared to the Shyamalan version.
So, are you the avatar, Aang?
To answer your question, companies don't know how to make good things anymore but they still want to make money, so they repackage something they know you already like hoping you will watch it purely out of nostalgic memories of the thing you like.
Could they take the hundreds of million they are spending on this, divide it in 10 and invest into ten different projects of unknown talented directors and writers? Yes. Are they going to? Fuck no!
Feel like you might as well make the live action adaptation so different that people can’t compare them. I mean make it gory, hard R, different plot elements, etc.
At least them, they’d be able to exist together as different experiences.
Shot for shot remakes treating the original cartoon as storyboards are doomed to come up short.
should just made a new show instead of making suckass live-action
This is why you set up everything BEFORE casting a child actor
Redditor hating on yet another piece of media, whats new
it's actually good that we have the ability to be critical of stuff instead of mindlessly consuming every product!
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The drama/horror is totally lost when a character who is supposed to be eleven years old now looks 16