Hello, I am working on my garden bed design for the upcoming spring. My bed is 40 ft long and about 16 feet wide. I have heard that plant groupings look best in threes or fives but how big should each grouping be in a bed the size that I have? I feel like 3 or 5 plants would get lost but wast sure if there was a guide on how large each plant grouping should be relative to the bed size. I wanted it to look intentional versus just lots of different flowers everywhere. Thanks for any feedback!

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  • as always, it depends. Without knowing more, I'll assume your 600 square foot bed will get 600 plugs. You certainly don't want 150 different "groupings." Some small things need a lot more to hold their own, and some things are totally fine with exactly one plant. It's obviously hard to know much about the individual plants and their needs as a beginner. Having some things throughout (like grasses and sedges) provides structure and continuity.

  • You can go a hundred different ways with this. For that kind of area I would personally break it up with walking paths. I would also include a mix of trees, shrubs, flowers, and grasses. Otherwise, whatever intentionality you go for will turn into a solid wall of your most aggressive natives within two years.

    P.S. In the middle I might find some space for a small pond and sitting area ☺️.

    New England Aster, I'm looking at YOU!

    Exactly! Same with some of the goldenrods or coneflowers.

  • You can definitely use groups with more than three or five in an area that long. I'm very partial to planting smaller natives en masse. The look can be stunning. I would repeat entire groupings (or at least colors) as you go down your path. Have you watched any Pretty Purple Door videos on YouTube? Very helpful design tips for landscaping.

  • We found that bigger groupings bring more intense “buzz” with pollinators, have a bigger visual impact when In bloom, playing well in the suburbs.

    Online I read alot about “matrix” plantings from pros but as a DIY amateur matrix that just doesn’t apply to my beds. Ample trees & light changes drive my placement choices. An inexpensive light meter which you place & leave from dawn to sunset was Very helpful.

    Matrix might apply if I replaced a whole lawn in full sun that was flat all at once. I’m leaving it to the pros.

    Personally I suffer from analysis paralysis when it comes to pulling ANY desirable native. Over 20 years I let coneflowers and phlox paniculata take over a massive front yard bed. Absolute show stoppers! I let then get very thick, got aster yellows, and had to rip all out & then go back again & get the roots I missed. 2nd year on & I’m still in morning.

    I temper that with not being sure what will work well in which conditions. Or not being familiar with a specifec plant (native columbine are sooo tall & lacy) zizia, ragwort etc.

    Also in my clay lance leaf coreopsis, monarda & some others are double the height expected. Also, conditions (sun, water, & heights)can vary widely even from one side of a bed to the other. Sometimes one just gas to start somewhere

    I hope to have lance leaf coreopsis in spring. Love it, but hope it does not get too tall. My Monarda was blooming at over 5 feet this year - I will give it a chop next spring to reduce height. I can't enjoy flowers above my head!

    Every year I Chelsea chop more things!

  • Piet Oudolf

    I like the painterly approach that Piet Oudolf uses. My own garden is a hodge-podge surrounding the vegetable beds, but if I were to aspire to a landscape, this would be my style. He thinks about how things will be framed, how they will change throughout the year. He does not use natives exclusively, but I think his work is outstanding. He thinks in terms of how it will look. I would say that using odd numbers of plants when designing for a small area makes sense, but for a larger area, paint it out on paper, roughly to scale. Think also about heights also, and maintenance. You will want to keep your drifts of given plants somewhat exclusive, so mass planting, but they will self seed and you will have things coming up where you do not want them, potentially. Have fun!

  • I'll be interested to see what gets posted. I have a bed this year that'll be roughly 6 x 40 in front of a thin tree line at the back of our property. I'm including a couple black chokeberry bushes in mine (I think) lol.

    I have two beds about that size. One is against a fence in the front yard, so I put in a line of shrubs (Texas sage) and seeded annuals a front.

    The other one is in the hellstrip. I've got 5 sideoats grama spaced randomly around, and most of my flower groupings are of 7, 9, or 11 plants.

    I have to get better at grouping higher numbers of plants together. When I first started this journey I wanted all the plants! So I bought a lot of singles and planted them all scattered about. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

    Now I am adding to those singles to make larger groupings. It's way more affordable because I learned about winter sowing in jugs. This year I have less variety of plants but higher numbers of the plants that I sowed. Hopefully my germination rates are high again. 😊

    I lucked out - I started with groups of 3 or 5 plants in this bed and some of them went crazy reseeding themselves. I was surprised and happy to find out they looked so good with 9 or more lanceleaf coreopsis.

    My teens keep reminding me that I'm not allowed to buy a plant if I only have room for one of it. (Make a rule ONE time at the native nursery and they remember it forever, those loveable little brats.)

    Bwahahahaha Gotta love kids that are interested in all of this. They are our futures.

    You are lucky! I didn't know much about anything when I started. Then I found this subreddit, then read ½ of Doug Tallamys Bringing Nature Home (I'll finish it this winter) and it all started making sense and coming together.

    I credit the users here for much of what I learned, including recommending Tallamy.

  • Thanks everyone!

  • My questions would be: Front yard/backyard? Uptight or loose neighborhood? Sunlight/moisture?

    From here you can design for style.

    The top comment mentioning 600 plugs is spot on, but there are other ways to make this succeed with a mix of seeding and plugs to 1 gallons. My style would be 5-10 species for 600 square feet.

  • I have a few groupings of 3 and feel like they're just not enough. I'd do 5 minimum.

  • That is a beautiful large space. 9 to 15 plants minimum for most plants. Larger drifts typically work best. A few 3 plant random surprises that mostly blend in are fine.

    Thank you! 

  • Besides the other helpful comments, I'll add that the numbers 2, 4, 6 and other even numbers are found in nature as often as odd numbers.