“They may be the worst defensive infield in baseball, they may be streaky at the plate but they do have questionable morals so they’re fun in the clubhouse and Jazz always brings the good donuts”
No, I would not trade one of our most productive offensive players, our starters at 2 of the most important defensive positions and a useful third baseman for a great pitcher in a contract year. His elbow could fall off tomorrow and then, congratulations, you’ve wrecked the whole team for nothing. Even if he has another CYA-type year you won’t be able to replace the multiple years production you lost and you only get that one year from Skubal.
If we hypothetically knew 99% Aaron judge wasn’t re-signing in 2023, you’re damn right I’d want the team to think about the game changing prospects offer they’re gonna get.
That says more about their organization and not the trade. They were great depsite it. But its still an awful trade regardless because they didn't get back much value. Joey Ortiz was worth 0.3 WAR and DL Hall 0.6 WAR. Maybe if they trade for an actual useful piece like they got back for Devin Williams they could've actually won a game vs the Dodgers in the NLCS.
Team success doesn't erase the fact it was a bad trade
The Tigers would have to consider a package of like Ben Rice, Cam Schlittler, and Will Warren, but of course the Yankees would never gut their core of controllable young players like that.
No way a Skubal package includes three controllable high quality current major league players. He is a certain one year rental and will sign for the largest pitching contract in history. Juan Soto didn’t get close to that kind of return
King had two years of control and Vasquez was not a proven high end major league player. Neither was Thorpe. Schlitler as a rookie had a sub 3 era and had one of the greatest postseason debuts in history. Rice profiles as a top 10 hitter in the league. Warren has middle of the rotation potential with many years of control. The Yankees would be stupid to trade all of these guys for one year of Skubal
Yeah, and I think that would just be the starting price. They'd probably want a kick in of like two other minor league prospects, as well. Wouldn't touch that trade regardless
This is why it was always hysterical for me that all the Mets fans and talking heads on sports talk were clamoring for them to trade for Skubal without giving up McClain…would NEVER happen!!
I simply do not understand the obsession with schlittler at this point. Nothing about him is “off the table”. He has a big fastball, but he also vastly outperformed his numbers. He has a ton of promise, and the upside of a good 3, weak 2, in my opinion. Which is certainly more than I would say going into 2025.
He absolutely is not off limits. Giving up on some potential for an entire year of Skubal, is ultimately a trade off you make if you want to win #28.
Given his age, 2.96 era in his rookie season, the fact his off speed pitches can still improve by a lot, and how well he pitched in the playoffs under immense pressure his upside is too high at this point. Skubal has already had two major surgeries and is quite a bit older. You are seriously undervaluing him
I’m not, though. His era outperformed his FIP and xERA by almost a run (or more). Skubal is the best pitcher in the mlb not named Paul skenes. He also has those major surgeries behind him. You can almost bank on schlittler needing TJ in the next few years. His quality starts this season came against: TBR, WSN, CHW, DET, BAL, and BOS in the playoffs. That’s exactly 2 above average offenses.
I want to be clear that I think Cam is awesome. It would be my preference to hold onto him, because I think he will perform as a 3/4 next season and after as well. I do not think he has ace upside, and frankly I think those that believe that never read his scouting report or looked at his stats. Skubal is an entirely different class of pitcher. Even for a year, I want the Yankees to win. Schlittler would be a steep price, but I don’t think you can be a fan wanting the Yankees to capitalize on judge’s window for #28 and also shy away from getting the best pitcher available.
Schlittler has had control issues. That has really been his main problem.
Otherwise, he clearly flashed ace stuff last year. Could end up being a guy who averages 10-11 K/9 pretty regularly. And we really can't discount just how good he looked in the playoffs. That means something.
As for the scouting reports, they CAN be wrong sometimes. Remember the early Jasson Dominguez scouting reports touting him as a five-tool player? Skubal himself was a ninth-round pick. Sometimes players just figure it out, and Schlittler could be one of those guys.
I actually do agree he will likely perform as a 3/4 next season because the hitters have tape on him now. That second year is commonly a rough one for young pitchers. But I also think he can become a frontline starter after that.
Not saying he should be completely untouchable in trade talks, but with the Yankees having so many other arms in their system, I'm sure they could put together a deal that doesn't include Schlittler.
If the Tigers 100 percent demand he be included? I don't know. It's very risky given Skubal's contract situation, and while I do agree that an injury is sadly inevitable for Schlittler at some point, there is no guarantee Skubal stays healthy either just because he's had a couple of surgeries.
It’s a very fair analysis. I would warn that in his small sample size, while the k rate was good, the underlying “strikeout” supporting numbers weren’t exactly elite. Chase, whiff, etc. He also got hit hard enough to be mildly concerning, as a strikeout/fly ball guy.
So I guess it depends what you call “ace” stuff. He didn’t face a particularly hard schedule, and he looked notably worse against teams like Toronto or Seattle, or Houston. Seattle is hard to count against him, as his debut, but it is a small sample size. The playoffs do count, absolutely. Boston was very impressive (albeit against a poor fastball hitting team). I could give or take his Toronto start. He clearly wasn’t dominating, but went deep because of their aggressive approach.
You’re right about the tape. I think if he pitches to a sub 3.8 ERA this year we should all be thrilled.
Perhaps I am a bit burnt out on some of the rhetoric I’ve seen, along the lines of “only trade him for skenes!”.
Im not arguing Skubal isn’t better i just think the age difference and potential upside makes Cam worth keeping. There is also a good chance that Skubal doesn’t perform nearly as well with the spotlight and pressure of being a Yankee compared to Detroit, we’ve seen that play out with many other players. We’ll see i guess
Skubal has been an absolute dawg in the playoffs. I wouldn’t worry about his ability to pitch in pinstripes.
I get the age difference and upside. People are going to downvote me, but this is what it looks like to be “all in”, and truly push for #28. Schlittler’s peak is probably past when judge is really being superhuman. And even then, like I said, I’m bearish on him being an ace like some think. But it’s just my opinion. Not dying to give schlittler away, just also don’t want to look back on this in 5 years and say “I can’t believe we didn’t do that deal” (à la Clint/andujar for Cole, Volpe/peraza for Castillo)
We have absolutely not seen a pitcher of Skubal’s caliber pitch poorly in pinstripes after coming here, because we basically haven’t really traded for or signed 1 in more than 2 decades.
Crochet seemed to do more than fine in Boston, and Skubal would do the same here.
Considering Skubal is a free agent after this year, they can go kick rocks, lol. It’d be one thing if he was still under contract for like 3 seasons, but wanting a haul for a soon to be free agent, hilarious
It's always half the team when it comes to trading for elite players. The A's allegedly wanted half the team when Olson was available. And then it turns out oh well you actually just have to trade your best prospect. Which Cashman never does.
Word on the street is, Tigers were asking for Chance Adams, Justus Sheffield, Clint Frazier, Miguel Andujar, and Tyler Austin. Basically, all the players that will become the Yankees core and get us a few World Series championships in a couple of years when they're called up. They want our dynasty team.
Tiger fan here. We have known as fans that high dollar teams, either NYY or LAD, or maybe STL will get Skubal. You guys just offered Bellinger 30M. Skubal, the most lights out pitcher in the AL is only asking 32M. And we know the Detroit front office won’t come to that. So, congratulations early
With the offers Detroit is getting from like the dodgers with an embarrassment of prospect riches, a Dominguez-Lombard-Hess offer is probably the funniest joke the Detroit front office has ever heard.
I mean what do they expect lmao? Skubal is one of the best pitchers in the league who has won back to back cy youngs, of course it’s gonna take half the team. As much as I would like for Skubal to come down to the Yankees, idk who the Yankees would willingly give and if they would be willing to part ways with players like Dominguez, Lombard, or even Ben rice or jazz
If they haven’t been swinging for the fences this whole offseason, they sure as hell won’t be doing anything now. I doubt they’ll get him at the trade deadline if possible, we love to dumpster dive during that time. And this might just be me, but the Yankees don’t seem all that appealing to be apart of anymore despite the stars that have come to sign with them like Cole and Fried. Maybe it’s the lack of World Series wins since 2009 and the years of frustration at the playoffs, maybe the culture isn’t all that great, maybe the front office and ownership are not that good, who knows. But what I do know is that if they want a player as great as Skubal, he isn’t someone you could check in or engage in never ending talks about, you either get him or you don’t so that judge can get a ring for once. If the Yankees want to win a ring for judge now, I’d say make win now moves, but they don’t want to win really
Well I mean...which half we talkin' about?
Man has a point.
Honestly would you trade Jazz, Wells Volpe and McMahon for him? At least consider it?
I would drive them to detroit myself if I wasn’t certain that we’d get sent home
That would be an awkward road trip.
On the way to Detroit: “I hear the city is nice this time of year”
On the way back: “{awkward silence}… maybe we’ll take another drive out here in July”
And the Tigers would laugh in our face
Yeah they would be like why are you over paying so much
Done
Yes. I doubt they want those particular players, but if u are the Yankees I'd make it absolutely.
I'd smash that BIN button
If skubal is pitching maybe you could argue we don't need half our infield :shrug:
Keep going, I'm almost there.
Hell yes? The trade off is we instantly become the AL favorites.
Of course. Detroit wouldn’t do that.
What logic is there for this for the Tigers?
Tigers have plenty of depth for hitters and young prospects on the cusp of playing and desperately need pitching.
Jazz - ok value but 1 year and he’s a FA. He’d have to move to OF, they have Gleyber.
Wells - probably most valuable piece. They have Dingler though.
Volpe - not much value, even if you hope for bounce back. Until he does it he’s valued and what he’s shown: not that good.
McMahon - very little value.
So you want to package a mixture of dudes in arb, or about to hit FA, none of which being pitchers, and take one of the best pitchers in MLB.
Bro it was a hypothetical funny question. They’re obviously not gonna do it. Haha
“They may be the worst defensive infield in baseball, they may be streaky at the plate but they do have questionable morals so they’re fun in the clubhouse and Jazz always brings the good donuts”
Jazz, Wells and McMahon are some of the best defenders in their respective positions...
Edit: Jazz was tied for 6th in FRV and 4th in OAA at 2B, McMahon was 3rd in FRV and 5th in OAA at 3B and Wells was 4th at C (catchers don't have OAA).
No, I would not trade one of our most productive offensive players, our starters at 2 of the most important defensive positions and a useful third baseman for a great pitcher in a contract year. His elbow could fall off tomorrow and then, congratulations, you’ve wrecked the whole team for nothing. Even if he has another CYA-type year you won’t be able to replace the multiple years production you lost and you only get that one year from Skubal.
Jazz ≠ on the team as of right now
Left side
STRONG SIDE
Bye Felicia
One Miguel Andujar and one Clint Frazier.
Judge and Skubal could be the next Trout and Ohtani
I mean they have no reason to trade him right now if they're trying to compete
Skubal rumors started because they aren't interested in adding payroll and extend him long term.
Then they can trade him at the deadline.
Just would be tough cus they will mostly be in first place at that point and then your trading your ace. Tigers fans would’ve fuming
Then more of a reason to just keep him and go for a championship. Teams like the Tigers don't exactly have big windows to compete
lol yea I mean they should keep him but if they do trade him it’ll have to be now
They can’t let him walk for nothing. They don’t have the depth to replace him and it will set them back years.
If we hypothetically knew 99% Aaron judge wasn’t re-signing in 2023, you’re damn right I’d want the team to think about the game changing prospects offer they’re gonna get.
Seemed to work out ok for the brewers when they traded Burnes with a year left on his deal.
They got a back up INF and a reliever for Burnes. That's an awful return.
Why don’t you look up who won their division by 10 games that season and get back to me
That says more about their organization and not the trade. They were great depsite it. But its still an awful trade regardless because they didn't get back much value. Joey Ortiz was worth 0.3 WAR and DL Hall 0.6 WAR. Maybe if they trade for an actual useful piece like they got back for Devin Williams they could've actually won a game vs the Dodgers in the NLCS.
Team success doesn't erase the fact it was a bad trade
The Tigers would have to consider a package of like Ben Rice, Cam Schlittler, and Will Warren, but of course the Yankees would never gut their core of controllable young players like that.
If that’s all it took, the dodgers would’ve already traded for him when they tried a month ago
No way a Skubal package includes three controllable high quality current major league players. He is a certain one year rental and will sign for the largest pitching contract in history. Juan Soto didn’t get close to that kind of return
King and Vasquez are in SD's starting 5 and they used Thorpe to get Cease.
King had two years of control and Vasquez was not a proven high end major league player. Neither was Thorpe. Schlitler as a rookie had a sub 3 era and had one of the greatest postseason debuts in history. Rice profiles as a top 10 hitter in the league. Warren has middle of the rotation potential with many years of control. The Yankees would be stupid to trade all of these guys for one year of Skubal
Top 10 hitter in the league? What?
Yeah, and I think that would just be the starting price. They'd probably want a kick in of like two other minor league prospects, as well. Wouldn't touch that trade regardless
If we had a roster that Tarik Skubal could put us over the top for, thinking like if it were 2024 with the one year of Soto, I would do that package.
This is why it was always hysterical for me that all the Mets fans and talking heads on sports talk were clamoring for them to trade for Skubal without giving up McClain…would NEVER happen!!
Cam Schlittler should honestly be off limits for any trade
lol for skubal I’ll pack his bags and drive him to Detroit
you do you 👍
Terrible take.
I simply do not understand the obsession with schlittler at this point. Nothing about him is “off the table”. He has a big fastball, but he also vastly outperformed his numbers. He has a ton of promise, and the upside of a good 3, weak 2, in my opinion. Which is certainly more than I would say going into 2025.
He absolutely is not off limits. Giving up on some potential for an entire year of Skubal, is ultimately a trade off you make if you want to win #28.
Given his age, 2.96 era in his rookie season, the fact his off speed pitches can still improve by a lot, and how well he pitched in the playoffs under immense pressure his upside is too high at this point. Skubal has already had two major surgeries and is quite a bit older. You are seriously undervaluing him
I’m not, though. His era outperformed his FIP and xERA by almost a run (or more). Skubal is the best pitcher in the mlb not named Paul skenes. He also has those major surgeries behind him. You can almost bank on schlittler needing TJ in the next few years. His quality starts this season came against: TBR, WSN, CHW, DET, BAL, and BOS in the playoffs. That’s exactly 2 above average offenses.
I want to be clear that I think Cam is awesome. It would be my preference to hold onto him, because I think he will perform as a 3/4 next season and after as well. I do not think he has ace upside, and frankly I think those that believe that never read his scouting report or looked at his stats. Skubal is an entirely different class of pitcher. Even for a year, I want the Yankees to win. Schlittler would be a steep price, but I don’t think you can be a fan wanting the Yankees to capitalize on judge’s window for #28 and also shy away from getting the best pitcher available.
Schlittler has had control issues. That has really been his main problem.
Otherwise, he clearly flashed ace stuff last year. Could end up being a guy who averages 10-11 K/9 pretty regularly. And we really can't discount just how good he looked in the playoffs. That means something.
As for the scouting reports, they CAN be wrong sometimes. Remember the early Jasson Dominguez scouting reports touting him as a five-tool player? Skubal himself was a ninth-round pick. Sometimes players just figure it out, and Schlittler could be one of those guys.
I actually do agree he will likely perform as a 3/4 next season because the hitters have tape on him now. That second year is commonly a rough one for young pitchers. But I also think he can become a frontline starter after that.
Not saying he should be completely untouchable in trade talks, but with the Yankees having so many other arms in their system, I'm sure they could put together a deal that doesn't include Schlittler.
If the Tigers 100 percent demand he be included? I don't know. It's very risky given Skubal's contract situation, and while I do agree that an injury is sadly inevitable for Schlittler at some point, there is no guarantee Skubal stays healthy either just because he's had a couple of surgeries.
I understand both sides of the argument.
It’s a very fair analysis. I would warn that in his small sample size, while the k rate was good, the underlying “strikeout” supporting numbers weren’t exactly elite. Chase, whiff, etc. He also got hit hard enough to be mildly concerning, as a strikeout/fly ball guy.
So I guess it depends what you call “ace” stuff. He didn’t face a particularly hard schedule, and he looked notably worse against teams like Toronto or Seattle, or Houston. Seattle is hard to count against him, as his debut, but it is a small sample size. The playoffs do count, absolutely. Boston was very impressive (albeit against a poor fastball hitting team). I could give or take his Toronto start. He clearly wasn’t dominating, but went deep because of their aggressive approach.
You’re right about the tape. I think if he pitches to a sub 3.8 ERA this year we should all be thrilled.
Perhaps I am a bit burnt out on some of the rhetoric I’ve seen, along the lines of “only trade him for skenes!”.
Im not arguing Skubal isn’t better i just think the age difference and potential upside makes Cam worth keeping. There is also a good chance that Skubal doesn’t perform nearly as well with the spotlight and pressure of being a Yankee compared to Detroit, we’ve seen that play out with many other players. We’ll see i guess
Skubal has been an absolute dawg in the playoffs. I wouldn’t worry about his ability to pitch in pinstripes.
I get the age difference and upside. People are going to downvote me, but this is what it looks like to be “all in”, and truly push for #28. Schlittler’s peak is probably past when judge is really being superhuman. And even then, like I said, I’m bearish on him being an ace like some think. But it’s just my opinion. Not dying to give schlittler away, just also don’t want to look back on this in 5 years and say “I can’t believe we didn’t do that deal” (à la Clint/andujar for Cole, Volpe/peraza for Castillo)
We have absolutely not seen a pitcher of Skubal’s caliber pitch poorly in pinstripes after coming here, because we basically haven’t really traded for or signed 1 in more than 2 decades.
Crochet seemed to do more than fine in Boston, and Skubal would do the same here.
He’s all the rage, like a new shiny red bike.
Especially with the lockout next season.
I think the Yankees would do it if they could get Skubal to agree to signing a contract extension immediately after the trade goes through
They should get a nice package regardless, but if they think they’re gonna fleece another team for one year of Skubal they are out of their minds
Does this mean the Mets are going to get him? Considering their team is half Yankees
Do we get to choose which half?
I choose the half that starts with Volpe
That's cashman's son at this point, gl trying to get the yankees to touch him
I’d trade my son for Skubal
I’d trade your son for Skubal too.
I imagine Skubal moves at the deadline if the Tigers aren’t looking good.
That’s the rub though- it’s going to be hard for them to not look good in the ALC.
Considering Skubal is a free agent after this year, they can go kick rocks, lol. It’d be one thing if he was still under contract for like 3 seasons, but wanting a haul for a soon to be free agent, hilarious
they’ll get a nice haul at the trade deadline if they’re still open to moving him
They can have Hal, his entire front office, Cashman, Boone, all coaches, one of Hal's yachts, and one hundred million dollars. That's my final offer.
It's always half the team when it comes to trading for elite players. The A's allegedly wanted half the team when Olson was available. And then it turns out oh well you actually just have to trade your best prospect. Which Cashman never does.
Would that half include Volpe? Asking for science
Alright. Detroit can lose him for nothing if that’s the way it’s gonna be.
No one’s going to gut their entire team for a one year of a pitcher
If you are going to ask around for Cabrera and Gore, you may as well see what the asking price is for Skubal
That headline actually made me laugh out loud
The Tigers can laugh, but they’re going to have to pay. And if they don’t, his suitor and Skubal himself will get the last laugh.
great do it and go out and sign some star free agents
Skubal only has ONE YEAR on his contract. Don't overpay for him unless you're getting an extension signed as a contingency of the trade.
It’s okay, we’ll get him when he’s 35 and went through two TJs, a calf strain, and a thigh contusion
Half the team fucking sucks, let’s do it.
They will take Volpe and they will like it!
Who's the source on this? I've never heard of TYO, nor have seen them have Yankees inside info in the past.
cited Jon Heyman
Volpe & Gil
Fake story for 100
"Yankees are closing in on Skubal Trade - Heyman"
Where is Skene Skene Skene!
Wont happen
Sounds about right unfortunately
They did that just so they can say to their fans. They were trying to make a big move. They knew that the tigers would not trade him.
Much rather sign him in free agency its gonna take way to much for a 1 year rental
I'm about to just block OP. He's quoting Talkin Yanks who's quoting....you guessed it...JON HEYMAN.
Do it! Keep Judge!
Frazier and Andujar - final offer.
Word on the street is, Tigers were asking for Chance Adams, Justus Sheffield, Clint Frazier, Miguel Andujar, and Tyler Austin. Basically, all the players that will become the Yankees core and get us a few World Series championships in a couple of years when they're called up. They want our dynasty team.
Dominguez, Warren, Lombard, Hampton
They can have Volpe and cash considerations
Half the team’s batting average is .222
I mean...do it.
half the team is already unplayable it feels like so…..
Then why did they only offer him 19m?
Tiger fan here. We have known as fans that high dollar teams, either NYY or LAD, or maybe STL will get Skubal. You guys just offered Bellinger 30M. Skubal, the most lights out pitcher in the AL is only asking 32M. And we know the Detroit front office won’t come to that. So, congratulations early
That trade would be a no-brainer for the Yankees and a No Way for the Tigers. You don't trade excellence for a pile of mediocre.
Does Cashman have any negotiation skills.
Yeaaa that wouldn’t be a bad thing from the Yankees perspective.
Best we can do is 3 Volpes
With the offers Detroit is getting from like the dodgers with an embarrassment of prospect riches, a Dominguez-Lombard-Hess offer is probably the funniest joke the Detroit front office has ever heard.
This team is catch calling every team, and we call it as showing interest lol
I mean what do they expect lmao? Skubal is one of the best pitchers in the league who has won back to back cy youngs, of course it’s gonna take half the team. As much as I would like for Skubal to come down to the Yankees, idk who the Yankees would willingly give and if they would be willing to part ways with players like Dominguez, Lombard, or even Ben rice or jazz
If they haven’t been swinging for the fences this whole offseason, they sure as hell won’t be doing anything now. I doubt they’ll get him at the trade deadline if possible, we love to dumpster dive during that time. And this might just be me, but the Yankees don’t seem all that appealing to be apart of anymore despite the stars that have come to sign with them like Cole and Fried. Maybe it’s the lack of World Series wins since 2009 and the years of frustration at the playoffs, maybe the culture isn’t all that great, maybe the front office and ownership are not that good, who knows. But what I do know is that if they want a player as great as Skubal, he isn’t someone you could check in or engage in never ending talks about, you either get him or you don’t so that judge can get a ring for once. If the Yankees want to win a ring for judge now, I’d say make win now moves, but they don’t want to win really
Do it..this yankee team is overrated
If Reddit user Legitimate-Arm-9816 knows we’re overrated what makes you think a guy running a pro baseball team doesn’t see that too?
Cash is that you?
If I was Cashman we’d already have Skubal.