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Sign Kyle Tucker to an 8 year/$304 million contract with big ($80 million+ deferrals) so the luxury hit is $32 million/year
Trade ERC and Spencer Jones to Milwaukee for Peralta (add Gil if needed) - $8 million hit
Trade Lagrange, Lewis, and Hess to Chicago for Nico Hoerner - $11.5 million hit
Yankee luxury payroll at that point would be $336.5 million, roughly, or a 5.5% increase from last year.
Yankees would still need bullpen help but the team would be massively improved from last year and major prospects (Lombard, Cunningham, Kilby) still retained. Yankees CAN do this. But they won’t.
Tells us two things:
1. Red Sox fucked up royally as Bregman will only be at a $30.5 million/year luxury hit - or $9.5 million less than their previous contract with him.
2. The only way Boras gets the deal he’s looking for with Cody is with similar deferrals
All that being said - offer Tucker $38 million/year over 7 years with deferrals that get the luxury hit to $30 - $32 mil/year.
Bregman's contract with the Red Sox had significant deferrals as well, I don't remember the present day AAV but I think it was around what he just got.
They don't really solve anything, they are just to stroke the egos of agents/players with a big number. It's a stupid game, but it seems like something they should do at this point.
He can both benefit his players while harming the game as a whole at the same time.
He’s very good at what he does for the top 5% of players. The majority of MLB players do not benefit from his shenanigans; he’ll likely be a divisive figure during the lockout.
What are you talking about? A rising tide lifts all boats. The salaries of the top players directly impact the value of the qualifying offer, and creates new baselines for all sorts of players. Plus, he consistently does well with his lower-tier free agents.
This! His better players get paid well. Nobody has ever doubted that. But guess what? All the better players get paid well regardless of agent.
Im not going to ball wash and slobber over this guy. He signs clients who want top dollar regardless of where it comes from.
All the deals he's gotten his guys are over pays but that's what free agency is. It's not like Alonso or Bregman just signed deals into their 40s. They'll get paid well into their late 30s and the teams are hoping they benefit for the next 2 to 3 seasons and the last couple aren't abysmal.
I don’t really understand that thinking, aren’t the owners the ones paying the deals he’s negotiating? And every time he gets his players paid, that just brings up the floor. My point being, by getting these owners to shell out the money he usually gets, makes the owners case for a lockout/strike look dumber. He actually imo is helping the game, helping those bottom 5%, eventually it will trickle down to them
Yea if Boras wasn’t a great agent players would stop using him simple as that. He gets his guys paid whether people like it or not or regardless if you dislike his theatrics. I think the notion of him being a poor agent comes from people’s disdain and wanting him to fail
Yankees trade a package centered around Elmer Rodriguez for Nico Hoerner, a package centered around Luis Gil for Freddy Peralta, flip some prospect for JoJo Romero, and sign Chris Bassitt.
I think I like that better than giving a fuck ton to Bellinger.
They still need to replace a ton of offensive production. Hoerner’s an awesome contact bat to get on ahead of Judge but the Yankees failing to land Bellinger/Tucker/Bichette is unacceptable
For those thinking Bellinger at 30 plus mill per, Over the last 4 seasons, Cody Bellinger has accumulated 12.9 fWAR. Projections for 2026 have him between a low of 2.1 (OOPSY) & a high of 3.0 (FGDC).
Bregman has accumulated 17.5 fWAR over the past 4 seasons. Projections have him between 3.2 & 4.0.
They really don't have to move him unless they don't plan on resigning him next offseason and want to get assets for him. If I were them, I'd try to re-sign him and trade Shaw while he still has some value but we'll see.
I get it, and yes it’s been reported, but unlike the Yankees, these teams like the jays, cubs with very rich owners, that are trying to win, don’t trade good players to save money, they don’t care about every penny, they are trying to win. I’d be very surprised if he’s traded, hope I’m wrong as he’s a very good fit for the yanks.
Where do you see this? At this point most are ready to move on, I have been ready to move on from the beginning as there are better players available. Bellinger should be the fallback option
There’s better players available right now, just move on from Belli, the Yankees likely only want him because they think they can get him for 5 years while Tucker or Bitchette would have to be at least 9-10 year deals but who cares, they’re younger and better.
They want Belli because of his money he can play LF, CF, RF, 1B, and they know he can handle NY.
Tucker is a RF/DH (which they have “2” of in Judge and Stanton).
Cashman has been but multiple times over the years by trying to move guys out of position (Jazz at 3B, IkF at SS) and guys not built for NY. And don’t let anyone tell you Tucker is a sure thing in LF. He hasn’t played there in 5 seasons before leg injuries and he is 26th percentile in speed and 25th percent range in RF. That doesn’t translate very well for 81 game in LF in Yankee Stadium
This team was willing to sign Soto long term, and play Judge in center. It's probably only a year or 2 situation, Judge likely plays significant amounts at DH once Stanton is gone.
1B isn't that valuable, it's an even worse overpay if Belli spends any significant amount of time there. Half his value is the ability to play center.
I think you are missing the point, Bellinger at 35 million a year while Judge is making 40, which would put Bellinger as the 4th highest paid OF in the sport is a terrible use of money. People also realize that Bellinger over his past 5 season has been very inconsistent and has a total of 11.2 WAR over the past 5 years while Bregman is at 17.2. The argument isn’t Bellinger is a bad player, the argument Bellinger at that kind of money is terrible. In addition to the fact that Tucker other than his injury plagued season last year, over the past 5 season his good years, are mvp worthy. Bellinger is not even in the top 20.
Do the Yankees have enough trade capital to trade for Hoerner and someone like Peralta? Or do they trade for Hoerner and sign Lucas Giolito or Chris Bassitt?
Nico Hoerner is like #1 on my wish list. High average, never strikes out, right handed, great defense (and can play SS), great speed and base running. He is like everything we need.
If we're looking to upgrade from last year, going from Volpe to Hoerner at SS is a gigantic leap.
Cashman/Hal don’t care about saving the off season. They care about their budget and being just good enough to sell tickets. While I 100% agree with you.
My original offseason target list had Hoerner leading off and playing short, Tucker batting second in left, Judge batting third in right, and Rice/Stanton/Jazz hitting cleanup. Those two moves would add about $45 - $50 million in luxury payroll, though, putting the Yankees up near $330 million and still needing rotation and bullpen help.
I was told by some younger Yankee fans that the team is no longer interested in world domination, though, so I’m penciling in Hays and IKF 😂😂😂
Oh yeah forget about it, if it adds that much money they won’t be doing it and those fans are right, they no longer want to be the top team in terms of winning but sure want to maximize profits, the Yankees are just the Steinbrenner’s money machine nowadays, already generationally wealthy people who want more and more, which they would still get even if they raise payroll, probably more if they win the World Series.
If they put a shit team on the field they’ll quickly realize how much more costly those decisions were than the decisions to spend and beef up a team would have been.
Keep in mind - if they try to do a mini payroll reset (lowering payroll even if they’re still above the CBT threshold), ticket prices are still going up. Best thing that could happen to the franchise is a hard hit to their wallet.
Hoerner is a perfect fit for this team. RHB and leadoff hitter. But we all know he will move to 2B and Jazz will be traded if that happens. They're not trading Volpe. It's just not going to happen because of the number of years under team control.
Jazz for Arozarena is interesting to me if Hoerner happens. I'm still interested in a Donovon/Romero trade as another option and then I'm talking myself into a 1-year deal for a Giolito or Bassitt.
You can make all those moves instead of resigning Bellinger to a contract you're going to regret. Love Belly but these contract demands from Boras aren't worth entertaining.
truthfully i’d rather have Bichette but I do think Belli will cave eventually. I don’t blame him for asking high, there’s plenty of time to see if anyone bites. i’m also glad the Yankees aren’t giving him a moronic offer as much as i’d like to see him back. it’s been a boring off-season thus far but still opportunities to make it a good one.
For real. The Tigers don’t, they just post random shit/stuff they want to say and talk about but don’t even have a weekly or bi-weekly discussion post.
100%. They traded away their franchise guy because they couldn’t afford him and have acted like a mid market team since. They may not be the Yankees or Dodgers but they should be a lot closer to the top of payroll than they are.
Yankees comparing their purse strings to Boston now? Who the fuck cares what that poverty franchise is doing - Yankees have always existed in their own stratosphere and should continue to act like it. Fans’ criticism is not cuz they think ownership is acting small market, it’s because this team has never had issue blowing away the competition when it comes to spending - that time has abruptly come to an end in the midst of a 16 year championship drought.
Edit: 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ downvote away, gang. It’s that facts allergy that’s making the rounds 😂
I understand why Bellinger and Tucker haven’t signed tbh. They’re waiting on each other. Bichette just saw what Bregman got so his camp can realistically set a price point based on the infield market.
The only moves we saw happen quickly were Cease (considerable overpay based on expected contract projections), Alonso (team that needed a splash offered him the biggest contract he’d ever seen), and Schwarber (DH who wanted to stay in Philly - got his asking price).
Signing someone earlier feels so good to say (as someone who often says it!) but I get how none of the confirmed, or possible, Yankee targets have moved, and consequentially, why the Yankees have been fairly stagnant as a result. Now look if they strikeout on all of these remaining impact FA’s - it’s incredibly unacceptable. At this point, pivot to Tucker and make Boras come back to the Yanks, if anything.
For those that don’t think baseball would benefit with some type of signing deadline. Bregman signed during an epic NFL playoff game. It’s just dumb to have this current system. At least it’s dumb if you want baseball to be able to drive a sports conversation in the offseason.
Edit: down voters, defend why this system isn’t idiotic. Defend why it’s good for baseball to be completely overshadowed by other sports. You can’t.
No non-cubs/baseball super fan/Red Sox fans give a shit about Bergman signing with the cubs. It will drive zero non-baseball specific sports show conversations next week outside of Chicago and Boston. That’s a fact. That’s not good for the game of baseball.
Wild contract & I like Bregman— $35m a yr/5 is absolutely insane. If they spend at this point it should be Tucker or bust— otherwise, have to try and move the needle through trades. Is Bryce still beefing with Dombroski?
Everyone saying we need to pivot to Tucker based on Bregman raising Belli’s price - you do realize he raised the price for everyone, right?
My personal kneejerk reaction is to consider entering the ensuing bidding war to trade for Hoerner, even if we all know our org is not going to let him replace Volpe at SS.
Same teams it always was. Dodgers (short term/high AAV), Mets (probably similar term/AAV split), Blue Jays (da bag), and the Giants (they need a dude?). Yankees were never in the mix - hoping that changes
I don’t hate him. He gets players paid and I’m all for it.
I just think that he can just be delusional at times and the game has caught up to him to a certain degree. He can’t really overhype his candidates when front offices use analytics to evaluate a player.
Older player with a lower WAR than Belli just landed $35 mil/year. It’s very much time to pivot to Tucker. Because Belli won’t be accepting less than that and Tucker’s more worth a longer/more expensive commitment. If Cashman wants to truly invest in Judge’s window - trade for Tatis, Jr. But we know he could give a shit about that window.
Preller lives for the insane splash. I’ll admit it’ll likely take more to get a deal done but the Yankees calling with that offer gets his attention. Without question - especially given his history of massive deals
Boras has zero leg to stand on demanding 6 or 7 years and $37MM for Bellinger if all he got for both Alonso and Bregman is 5 years each and $31MM and $35MM AAV respectively. Get fucked.
Belli had a higher WAR last year on top of overall better health. He’s also the younger player. Boras will be beating this drum as he demands more money
If you’re an agent - why the hell would you be willing to have your younger, metrically better client take a deal for less AAV and the same number of years? I don’t want the Yankees overpaying for Bellinger - I also don’t want them wasting time while other names come off the board. Pivot
My point is this is exactly why the Yankees should pivot HARD to Tucker. The more they waste time on Boras’ bullshit the more likely the other big names come off the board.
Red Sox cheap so I doubt they go after Bichette and they haven’t been linked to Tucker so seems like another quiet offseason for that team lol they’re as cheap as us
First glad Bregman out of the East, he has killed the Yankees, but this is exactly why Boras is not crazy for his Bellinger ask, just takes 1 desperate/stupid owner..
look, I never wanted Bellinger back anyway. He was a bum in the playoffs. I would much rather have Tucker and I definitely want Bo Bichette who I would make the priority.
Drains the farm system (5 top-10 prospects) but solves massive needs. It’s an all-in strategy that nets a generational talent nearing his prime for less AAV than what Bellinger is reportedly demanding approaching an inevitable age-based regression.
Cashman has a real chance here to change the fans point of view on him and the organization by signing Tucker, but as we know Cashman and Hal don’t give a fuck what the fans want or think
The problem is Hal. Tucker on a short term deal is gonna be north of $40m. I just don’t see Hal doing that for a couple of years and hitting the really massive luxury tax bills.
I would think changing the perception is gonna take more than one move that gets them slightly closer than if they had Bellinger, which is all that Tucker does.
Same fans clamoring for Tucker now are going to be really annoyingly loud when they see he can’t get to balls in LF and then be real mad when one of Judge or Tucker has to play RF in 2 years since they can’t both DH.
I'd be interested in getting him and figuring out the rest later but 100% there are fans who will be thrilled to land a player only to crap on said player months later.
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We're not adding players to the roster, but I added a custom Ben Rice shirt to my wardrobe, so that's basically the same to me.
Let's all point and laugh at the Red Sox
Gil for Hoerner, Jazz for Bubic
Now we're getting somewhere
Sign Kyle Tucker to an 8 year/$304 million contract with big ($80 million+ deferrals) so the luxury hit is $32 million/year
Trade ERC and Spencer Jones to Milwaukee for Peralta (add Gil if needed) - $8 million hit
Trade Lagrange, Lewis, and Hess to Chicago for Nico Hoerner - $11.5 million hit
Yankee luxury payroll at that point would be $336.5 million, roughly, or a 5.5% increase from last year.
Yankees would still need bullpen help but the team would be massively improved from last year and major prospects (Lombard, Cunningham, Kilby) still retained. Yankees CAN do this. But they won’t.
Tucker will cost more than 32M AAV present day. I think Toronto may give it to him.
Make it $34 million present day AAV. They gotta start somewhere
i remember this time last year thinking that the red sox were a couple years and moves away from being a 90+ win team.
now here we are one year later and they're being lapped by the fucking pirates 😂. their fans must be in hell rn
Sign baseball players
$70 million of Bregman’s deal is deferred
Tells us two things: 1. Red Sox fucked up royally as Bregman will only be at a $30.5 million/year luxury hit - or $9.5 million less than their previous contract with him. 2. The only way Boras gets the deal he’s looking for with Cody is with similar deferrals
All that being said - offer Tucker $38 million/year over 7 years with deferrals that get the luxury hit to $30 - $32 mil/year.
Bregman's contract with the Red Sox had significant deferrals as well, I don't remember the present day AAV but I think it was around what he just got.
$31.7 million, yep pretty close! Not being able to land him for effectively less money on an annual basis is just unforgivable, though.
Yanks don’t do deferrals
They didn’t do beards either….Things change
They haven't, yet. Seems like they are becoming more and more common, so maybe it's something they better figure out.
They don't really solve anything, they are just to stroke the egos of agents/players with a big number. It's a stupid game, but it seems like something they should do at this point.
I agree. It seems to work and I'm sure the Yankees have the financial guys to figure out present day value.
That’s fine. We just need them to do deferrals*
They don’t do those either
Then we’re fucked lol
For those that ever question Boras and doubt he doesn’t know what he’s doing, this offseason 540 million dollars to Cease, Alonso and Bregman.
The game will still be much better when he leaves
I’m still doubtful he’s gonna come out on the better end with Bellinger
He can both benefit his players while harming the game as a whole at the same time.
He’s very good at what he does for the top 5% of players. The majority of MLB players do not benefit from his shenanigans; he’ll likely be a divisive figure during the lockout.
What are you talking about? A rising tide lifts all boats. The salaries of the top players directly impact the value of the qualifying offer, and creates new baselines for all sorts of players. Plus, he consistently does well with his lower-tier free agents.
This! His better players get paid well. Nobody has ever doubted that. But guess what? All the better players get paid well regardless of agent.
Im not going to ball wash and slobber over this guy. He signs clients who want top dollar regardless of where it comes from.
All the deals he's gotten his guys are over pays but that's what free agency is. It's not like Alonso or Bregman just signed deals into their 40s. They'll get paid well into their late 30s and the teams are hoping they benefit for the next 2 to 3 seasons and the last couple aren't abysmal.
I don’t really understand that thinking, aren’t the owners the ones paying the deals he’s negotiating? And every time he gets his players paid, that just brings up the floor. My point being, by getting these owners to shell out the money he usually gets, makes the owners case for a lockout/strike look dumber. He actually imo is helping the game, helping those bottom 5%, eventually it will trickle down to them
Yea if Boras wasn’t a great agent players would stop using him simple as that. He gets his guys paid whether people like it or not or regardless if you dislike his theatrics. I think the notion of him being a poor agent comes from people’s disdain and wanting him to fail
Yankees trade a package centered around Elmer Rodriguez for Nico Hoerner, a package centered around Luis Gil for Freddy Peralta, flip some prospect for JoJo Romero, and sign Chris Bassitt.
I think I like that better than giving a fuck ton to Bellinger.
Need a platoon guy with Jasson in this scenario too.
They’d better win the whole thing since they’re trading away every asset they have apparently for a couple of rentals.
Who do we have that can hit the ball then?
Hoerner is a major upgrade over some of our current infielders
There's no chance they're doing that much wheeling and dealing
They still need to replace a ton of offensive production. Hoerner’s an awesome contact bat to get on ahead of Judge but the Yankees failing to land Bellinger/Tucker/Bichette is unacceptable
This path is a balancing of the roster to add more pitching while sacrificing some offense but not like a ton. They’d be better than last year.
For those thinking Bellinger at 30 plus mill per, Over the last 4 seasons, Cody Bellinger has accumulated 12.9 fWAR. Projections for 2026 have him between a low of 2.1 (OOPSY) & a high of 3.0 (FGDC).
Bregman has accumulated 17.5 fWAR over the past 4 seasons. Projections have him between 3.2 & 4.0.
Belli isn’t in the same park.
Belli at Yankee Stadium is worth the money. He isn’t worth that to any other team which is why I think the talks have stalled
If Bregman went for that, someone will probably give bellinger 200
Bregman is the better player
Belli is what, around 15 months younger? 6/180 would probably do it. Not saying the Yankees should, but in this market it could happen.
No chance
You do realize that bellinger is younger and will get a longer contract.
You do realize Bellinger is not nearly as good. The best offer he will get was already from the yanks at 155. And thankfully he didn’t take
Didn’t Hoerner move to 2b? Isn’t Bregman a 3b? What exactly is the cubs motivation to move him if they are obviously trying to win?
They really don't have to move him unless they don't plan on resigning him next offseason and want to get assets for him. If I were them, I'd try to re-sign him and trade Shaw while he still has some value but we'll see.
They’ve got this idiot named Matt Shaw that’s taking up space.
So he would be the trade candidate, he was a highly rated prospect
That’s not what’s been reported. It’s Nico for whatever reason. They likely don’t want to pay him.
I get it, and yes it’s been reported, but unlike the Yankees, these teams like the jays, cubs with very rich owners, that are trying to win, don’t trade good players to save money, they don’t care about every penny, they are trying to win. I’d be very surprised if he’s traded, hope I’m wrong as he’s a very good fit for the yanks.
When have the Yankees traded a good player to save money?
The sub has just about talked itself into Bellinger in the mid-30s million for 5+ years. I will never get the unbounded love for this guy.
Where do you see this? At this point most are ready to move on, I have been ready to move on from the beginning as there are better players available. Bellinger should be the fallback option
The Bregman thread
There’s not a single person here saying they want Belli for that price, but okay lmao. Literally the guy that just commented before you said move on.
They’re all over the Bregman thread realizing themselves into $34m/yr
There’s better players available right now, just move on from Belli, the Yankees likely only want him because they think they can get him for 5 years while Tucker or Bitchette would have to be at least 9-10 year deals but who cares, they’re younger and better.
The Yankees make value decisions.
They want Belli because of his money he can play LF, CF, RF, 1B, and they know he can handle NY.
Tucker is a RF/DH (which they have “2” of in Judge and Stanton).
Cashman has been but multiple times over the years by trying to move guys out of position (Jazz at 3B, IkF at SS) and guys not built for NY. And don’t let anyone tell you Tucker is a sure thing in LF. He hasn’t played there in 5 seasons before leg injuries and he is 26th percentile in speed and 25th percent range in RF. That doesn’t translate very well for 81 game in LF in Yankee Stadium
This team was willing to sign Soto long term, and play Judge in center. It's probably only a year or 2 situation, Judge likely plays significant amounts at DH once Stanton is gone.
1B isn't that valuable, it's an even worse overpay if Belli spends any significant amount of time there. Half his value is the ability to play center.
Soto is a generational player.
If you think Bellinger at 5/150 is value, not sure you know what the term value means
A guy who can play multiple positions and fill multiple holes at a high level has more value than a guy who’s not.
It’s that simple.
Tucker isn’t a Juan Soto level hitter and he’s comparable to Soto in the field (a little more range, a worse arm).
He isn’t the difference maker people here want him to be.
I think you are missing the point, Bellinger at 35 million a year while Judge is making 40, which would put Bellinger as the 4th highest paid OF in the sport is a terrible use of money. People also realize that Bellinger over his past 5 season has been very inconsistent and has a total of 11.2 WAR over the past 5 years while Bregman is at 17.2. The argument isn’t Bellinger is a bad player, the argument Bellinger at that kind of money is terrible. In addition to the fact that Tucker other than his injury plagued season last year, over the past 5 season his good years, are mvp worthy. Bellinger is not even in the top 20.
Do the Yankees have enough trade capital to trade for Hoerner and someone like Peralta? Or do they trade for Hoerner and sign Lucas Giolito or Chris Bassitt?
I don’t think anyone knows what the Yankees are doing
Jones/Dominguez headlining a Peralta trade (with Hess/Cunningham included)
Lagrange or ER headlining a Hoerner trade (would throw in Dillon Lewis as well)
Still maintain plenty of top prospects. But need to sign Tucker.
I don’t get the Hoerner obsession. He was great last year, but his highest OPS+ is 114. Otherwise he’s solidly average.
To be clear - it’s Hoerner PLUS Tucker or Bellinger. No one can argue that Hoerner wouldn’t be a massive upgrade to the top of the lineup
Nico Hoerner is like #1 on my wish list. High average, never strikes out, right handed, great defense (and can play SS), great speed and base running. He is like everything we need.
If we're looking to upgrade from last year, going from Volpe to Hoerner at SS is a gigantic leap.
I think people here are delusional if they’ve watched this team and think SS is anyone’s but Volpe’s job.
That's the problem
Yankees have an opportunity here to save the offseason, sweep in and sign Tucker and trade for Hoerner if he is available.
Cashman/Hal don’t care about saving the off season. They care about their budget and being just good enough to sell tickets. While I 100% agree with you.
Oh I know, trust me I’m not getting my hopes up.
My original offseason target list had Hoerner leading off and playing short, Tucker batting second in left, Judge batting third in right, and Rice/Stanton/Jazz hitting cleanup. Those two moves would add about $45 - $50 million in luxury payroll, though, putting the Yankees up near $330 million and still needing rotation and bullpen help.
I was told by some younger Yankee fans that the team is no longer interested in world domination, though, so I’m penciling in Hays and IKF 😂😂😂
Oh yeah forget about it, if it adds that much money they won’t be doing it and those fans are right, they no longer want to be the top team in terms of winning but sure want to maximize profits, the Yankees are just the Steinbrenner’s money machine nowadays, already generationally wealthy people who want more and more, which they would still get even if they raise payroll, probably more if they win the World Series.
Come on let’s be fair. The cost of making those chicken buckets is skyrocketing. We gotta cut Hal a break 😂😂😂
My God I hate how they’ve turned this brand into a joke, the Yankees were the envy of the league at one point.
If they put a shit team on the field they’ll quickly realize how much more costly those decisions were than the decisions to spend and beef up a team would have been.
Keep in mind - if they try to do a mini payroll reset (lowering payroll even if they’re still above the CBT threshold), ticket prices are still going up. Best thing that could happen to the franchise is a hard hit to their wallet.
I wonder if we could trade for Nico Hoerner.
Pivot. Pivot. PIVOT!!!!
I’ll just say it I’d rather have Hays and Hoerner than Bellinger.
I still want a pitcher tho
Man now I’m gonna buy in to the Heorner hype 😭
Dont but if it does happen thatll he a happy surprise
Hoerner is a perfect fit for this team. RHB and leadoff hitter. But we all know he will move to 2B and Jazz will be traded if that happens. They're not trading Volpe. It's just not going to happen because of the number of years under team control.
Jazz for Arozarena is interesting to me if Hoerner happens. I'm still interested in a Donovon/Romero trade as another option and then I'm talking myself into a 1-year deal for a Giolito or Bassitt.
You can make all those moves instead of resigning Bellinger to a contract you're going to regret. Love Belly but these contract demands from Boras aren't worth entertaining.
Play Heorner at SS not 2nd
I'm just telling you they won't.
If they trade for Nico he is absolutely playing short.
Probably saving me months of heartbreak lol
truthfully i’d rather have Bichette but I do think Belli will cave eventually. I don’t blame him for asking high, there’s plenty of time to see if anyone bites. i’m also glad the Yankees aren’t giving him a moronic offer as much as i’d like to see him back. it’s been a boring off-season thus far but still opportunities to make it a good one.
I think I’d rather have Nico at short than Bichette
Every time I go to lurk in another team’s subreddit I am so saddened to see that they are all so dead.
I’m happy that even in the offseason this subreddit is super active
So many of them don’t even have general chats
The Mets are the only sub I know that’s also active like ours.
I went to peek into the Cubs subreddit and their daily thread has 4 comments
For real. The Tigers don’t, they just post random shit/stuff they want to say and talk about but don’t even have a weekly or bi-weekly discussion post.
The Red Sox owners post 2018 are what fans think Hal is like with the Yankees.
100%. They traded away their franchise guy because they couldn’t afford him and have acted like a mid market team since. They may not be the Yankees or Dodgers but they should be a lot closer to the top of payroll than they are.
Yankees comparing their purse strings to Boston now? Who the fuck cares what that poverty franchise is doing - Yankees have always existed in their own stratosphere and should continue to act like it. Fans’ criticism is not cuz they think ownership is acting small market, it’s because this team has never had issue blowing away the competition when it comes to spending - that time has abruptly come to an end in the midst of a 16 year championship drought.
Edit: 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ downvote away, gang. It’s that facts allergy that’s making the rounds 😂
It’s kinda a POV thing. We aren’t the “Yankees” anymore and that’s just what it is
We can forever be upset that we aren’t what we were before, or we can be grateful we are still really good
Oh they’re way worse off than us for sure
I legit think if we got 2 of the 3 big bats on the market and trade for an okay-ish pitcher we would win the WS.
Imagine a Tucker Bellinger Judge outfield Lmao
There’s a less than 0 chance we pay Grisham 20 million to ride the bench
I'm assuming you meant to mention Grisham. Not a fan of that move
Right. Sorry mb. Tired
Honestly, I’m tired, and I bet a lot of us feel the same way.
Stop stringing us along and doing nothing. I still think we’ll do something, but now I feel like we’ll hear the prices are too high. Whatever
Should have signed someone earlier, then.
I understand why Bellinger and Tucker haven’t signed tbh. They’re waiting on each other. Bichette just saw what Bregman got so his camp can realistically set a price point based on the infield market.
The only moves we saw happen quickly were Cease (considerable overpay based on expected contract projections), Alonso (team that needed a splash offered him the biggest contract he’d ever seen), and Schwarber (DH who wanted to stay in Philly - got his asking price).
Signing someone earlier feels so good to say (as someone who often says it!) but I get how none of the confirmed, or possible, Yankee targets have moved, and consequentially, why the Yankees have been fairly stagnant as a result. Now look if they strikeout on all of these remaining impact FA’s - it’s incredibly unacceptable. At this point, pivot to Tucker and make Boras come back to the Yanks, if anything.
Guess we’ll see.
Just tired of waiting.
Preach
Tbh, the Cubs cooked this offseason.
Lineup is gonna be great (again), rotation should be good enough, and the bullpen ought to be good.
Sign Tucker, trade for Peralta, and platoon Vople/Talkin Jake at shortstop.
For those that don’t think baseball would benefit with some type of signing deadline. Bregman signed during an epic NFL playoff game. It’s just dumb to have this current system. At least it’s dumb if you want baseball to be able to drive a sports conversation in the offseason.
Edit: down voters, defend why this system isn’t idiotic. Defend why it’s good for baseball to be completely overshadowed by other sports. You can’t.
What about Bregman signing with the Cubs during a Bears comeback isn’t cool to you?
No non-cubs/baseball super fan/Red Sox fans give a shit about Bergman signing with the cubs. It will drive zero non-baseball specific sports show conversations next week outside of Chicago and Boston. That’s a fact. That’s not good for the game of baseball.
NFL script, baby. Never fails 😂
I know it hasn’t been talked about too much, but with Cohen’s love for ex Yankees Bellinger could be primed to go to the Mets
Has this really not been talked about too much?
Wild contract & I like Bregman— $35m a yr/5 is absolutely insane. If they spend at this point it should be Tucker or bust— otherwise, have to try and move the needle through trades. Is Bryce still beefing with Dombroski?
Bregmans power is already declining. That contract at that AAV is crazy
Everyone saying we need to pivot to Tucker based on Bregman raising Belli’s price - you do realize he raised the price for everyone, right?
My personal kneejerk reaction is to consider entering the ensuing bidding war to trade for Hoerner, even if we all know our org is not going to let him replace Volpe at SS.
Glad Bregman is off the Sox and glad we didn’t give him that contract.
Belli kinda annoying me this is getting stupid
Where were you when Alex Bregman saved the bears?
I’m still laughing the Red Sox destroyed their relationship with Devers for a one year rental. Holllllly shit.
The Devers trade has never made sense to me.
wow so true
I see the chances Bellinger resigning with us even lower after that Bregman deal
Y’all that Bregman deal is gonna age horribly. Woof
Glad he's not on the Red Sox, he was a perfect fit for Fenway.
Yes. But luckily it’s not our problem
It is our problem, since it’s setting the market.
Yankees should move off of Bellinger after seeing that
Now that the cubs are getting Bregman I’m sure we have competition now with Tucker
The Cubs were never in on Tucker
Same teams it always was. Dodgers (short term/high AAV), Mets (probably similar term/AAV split), Blue Jays (da bag), and the Giants (they need a dude?). Yankees were never in the mix - hoping that changes
Or less competition for Bellinger..sigh
People who hate on Boras now see why players hire his services. Got Bregman and Pete paid way more than they were offered just a year before.
I don’t hate him. He gets players paid and I’m all for it.
I just think that he can just be delusional at times and the game has caught up to him to a certain degree. He can’t really overhype his candidates when front offices use analytics to evaluate a player.
Older player with a lower WAR than Belli just landed $35 mil/year. It’s very much time to pivot to Tucker. Because Belli won’t be accepting less than that and Tucker’s more worth a longer/more expensive commitment. If Cashman wants to truly invest in Judge’s window - trade for Tatis, Jr. But we know he could give a shit about that window.
Bregman’s been far more consistent than Bellinger in his career and will probably age a bit better, but I also wouldn’t have given Bregman that deal.
Can someone explain to me why the padres who are trying to win would trade Tatis
Only reason would be they are selling the team and want to unload contracts.
Selling doesn’t always mean dump players, might mean keeping to win to make team more valuable, they also re-signed King already
Preller lives for the insane splash. I’ll admit it’ll likely take more to get a deal done but the Yankees calling with that offer gets his attention. Without question - especially given his history of massive deals
Give me Hoerner
It’s the inevitable move lol.
Cashman: “We got our guy. Case closed”
if we get him and put him at SS, it's a huge upgrade so sign me up lol.
Boras has zero leg to stand on demanding 6 or 7 years and $37MM for Bellinger if all he got for both Alonso and Bregman is 5 years each and $31MM and $35MM AAV respectively. Get fucked.
Belli had a higher WAR last year on top of overall better health. He’s also the younger player. Boras will be beating this drum as he demands more money
Bregman has been one of the most consistent players in the league and is on a borderline HOF trajectory
He deserved to get paid more than Bellinger
If you’re an agent - why the hell would you be willing to have your younger, metrically better client take a deal for less AAV and the same number of years? I don’t want the Yankees overpaying for Bellinger - I also don’t want them wasting time while other names come off the board. Pivot
He can bang all day long and someone might go for it. It shouldn't be the Yankees.
My point is this is exactly why the Yankees should pivot HARD to Tucker. The more they waste time on Boras’ bullshit the more likely the other big names come off the board.
bregman was so fucking annoying he always owned us glad he is gone and he was the sox 2nd best hitter big blow
Red Sox cheap so I doubt they go after Bichette and they haven’t been linked to Tucker so seems like another quiet offseason for that team lol they’re as cheap as us
Big miss for the Red Sox. Have to think they look to Bichette with Bregman and Marte off the board.
A little shocked he didn’t go to Boston. I was expecting that
Same
Keep in mind - Chicago signing Bregman just makes it more likely that the Yankees “big splash” is a trade for Hoerner 😂😂😂
I’d love Hoerner at short.
I would too! With Tucker in the outfield, though lol
Hays and Hoerner with a starter is not that bad to me
Better luck in 2027
lol nah man
Bregman is off the board and to the Cubs
Cubs are going to want out of that Bregman deal by year 2. Red Sox might push harder for Bichette now
First glad Bregman out of the East, he has killed the Yankees, but this is exactly why Boras is not crazy for his Bellinger ask, just takes 1 desperate/stupid owner..
I could honestly see the Diamondbacks giving Bellinger 6-7 years. Their owner is getting older and was in on Bregman. He’s from Arizona too
Really hope he does
5 years $35 mil/year for a 31 year old impact bat and Gold Glove caliber third baseman. Yankees - go throw the bag at Tucker
Bregman to Cubs 5/175
I love Belli but we gotta pull a Soto like pivot and spend our money elsewhere. Could be better in the long run
look, I never wanted Bellinger back anyway. He was a bum in the playoffs. I would much rather have Tucker and I definitely want Bo Bichette who I would make the priority.
I wonder if Hal realizes how many chicken buckets he would sell if they signed Tucker.
Or how many fewer they’d sell without Tucker/Belli/Bichette
Yankees get Fernando Tatis, Jr. (84.70 surplus trade value).
Padres get Lombard, Warren, Jones, Lewis (94.60 surplus trade value).
Net payroll increase: $30.8 million
Yankees get Freddy Peralta (25.4 surplus trade value).
Brewers get Elmer Rodriguez, Cunningham, and Hess (25.4 surplus trade value)
Net payroll increase: $8 million
2026 Projected luxury tax payroll (before any bullpen support, RHH bench option(s)): $324.4 million (1.7% year-over-year luxury payroll increase).
Rotation (eventually): Cole, Fried, Peralta, Rodon, Schlittler, Schmidt, Gil
Bullpen: Bednar, Doval, Bird, Cruz, Hill, Yarbrough, Headrick (eventually Gil to the pen)
Lineup: Grisham, Tatis, Jr., Judge, Rice, Stanton, Jazz, Wells, Caballero/Volpe, McMahon
Bench: Cabrera, Dominguez, Escarra, Volpe/Cabrera
Drains the farm system (5 top-10 prospects) but solves massive needs. It’s an all-in strategy that nets a generational talent nearing his prime for less AAV than what Bellinger is reportedly demanding approaching an inevitable age-based regression.
Swap volpe for Lombard
Doesn’t have the same value. Padres aren’t stupid. Kilby will have to be the Volpe replacement in 3-4 years.
He’s the only hitter in minors I’d like to keep.
Cashman has a real chance here to change the fans point of view on him and the organization by signing Tucker, but as we know Cashman and Hal don’t give a fuck what the fans want or think
The problem is Hal. Tucker on a short term deal is gonna be north of $40m. I just don’t see Hal doing that for a couple of years and hitting the really massive luxury tax bills.
I would think changing the perception is gonna take more than one move that gets them slightly closer than if they had Bellinger, which is all that Tucker does.
Not a defense for Cash, but no gm should let fans dictate what they do.
Same fans clamoring for Tucker now are going to be really annoyingly loud when they see he can’t get to balls in LF and then be real mad when one of Judge or Tucker has to play RF in 2 years since they can’t both DH.
I'd be interested in getting him and figuring out the rest later but 100% there are fans who will be thrilled to land a player only to crap on said player months later.
Some fans are overestimating the impact in general for sure. And yes will go the other way with the slightest breeze lol
I would be floored if they went out and grabbed Tucker.
Hays did have over a 900 OPS against lefties last year. We would get a real chance for Jasson to prove himself.
It’s not all bad.
Hays/Jasson and a Ranger Suarez > Bellinger and Gore and is significantly cheaper.
I’m down for adding Hays if we trade for Hoerner as well.
Hays and Hoerner with a starter would legit be good.
Heorner/Hays/Dominguez might be better than Volpe and Bellinger
If there’s no Tucker, Bellinger or Bo. What even is the pivot? Hays, Giolito and Seranthony Domínguez? Yuck
Absolutely no Giolito.
I’d happily take Dominguez the reliever, but Giolito?
😭
If by some miracle Boras unintentionally pushes them into signing Kyle Tucker, does that make Boras a heroic figure?
Probably best for humanity not to give that man any extra praise
Jeter should spring for a gift basket, at least.