Ok, I don't do this as often as I used to, but some of y'all are getting a little wild down in the Controversial section, and as much as I hate to remove comments and/or ban people, I kinda have to if it violates the sitewide ToS. Feel free to argue the fine points of your position and fling a little shit at each other, but remember that if you're gonna fling shit, you gotta do it respectfully.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled bickering.
The argument or assertion being made in this tweet is still disingenuous.
Clinton compared to Trump is hardly of equal relevance. One is a sitting President. The other is looooong retired.
Sure, don’t let that stop you from wanting all culprits tried in court, but this premise regarding the left being dismissive apparently? It is based on a false equivalence.
Furthermore if this were anyone but Trump as sitting PotUS, and especially if it were a democrat. It’d be near civil war by now. Pitchforks and shotguns and incendiaries lol
I mean Clinton got fucking grilled over Lewinsky, way more than what Trump is experiencing right now. And that was merely an extramarital blow job ffs! Lol
Which begs the question of why this is only a US problem. Surely Interpol and a dozen other local agencies should be running their own investigations.
Maybe they are and just haven't said anything. But I'd love it if Trump and his DOJ were completely blindsided by someone else releasing their files unredacted.
Interpol very rarely runs its own investigations. Interpol and Europol are more for liaising and communication between different state police, in addition to training state polices.
Clean out half (most??) of the government and start over fresh!!! Seems like it would be a great time to do this and a great opportunity to really weed out those that need. to. GO!
The massive amount of folks living at or below poverty level in this country makes it so that someone who legit works hard and makes six figures as an hourly worker is in the top 5%. Ill stick with 1% and be stoked.
And let's spend a lot more time bringing the 99% up after we take down the 1%.
Shit, man. There are still hard ass working doctors who spent a quarter of a million dollars on school and make like $400,000+ a year. Technically THEY'RE in the top 1%. The problem has literally never been the people who work for wages.
250k on school is not a lot anymore (in the sense you speak of). Many universities across the country cost $60k per year forundergrad now and then you factor in housing, food, and travel.
“Drain the swamp” got the MAGA republicans so riled up that they never paused to consider that the person yelling that may, indeed, be yelling from deep within the swamp.
And if 1992 Bill Clinton came along in 2025, the Democratic base would reject him because of all the rape allegations. Republicans would probably use it as an example of the cancel culture that they hate.
Cancel culture that they rally against until they are the ones doing the cancelling - just like every other thing the right pontificates about, every, fucking, time....
Maybe all politicians should be subject to the results of a no confidence poll. If less than 30% of your constituents, think you’re doing a good job, then you are automatically out of office, and ineligible to run again.
I would reject him for the fact that he was impeached even if he wasn't removed from office. Him being a rapist and an Epstein frequent flyer would just seal the decision.
Same thing if there were any rape allegations or sexual misconduct allegations against Joe Biden, the democratic base would call for immediate impeachment, and rightfully so.
everything conservatives talk about now is at least 20 years old
quaran burnings, victory mosques, bill clinton, tinky winkys purse, big bird (PBS).
everything in the headlines today was a headline 20+ years ago.
Bill Clinton is so old half of millennials are too young to remember his presidency, and they are reaching their 40s but to MAGA they think he is still a major democrat.
The Gen Z guys angry about this stuff werent even alive at the time but are stuck fixating about headlines from the late 90s/early 2000s that were embarrassing to average republicans at the time and were laughed at as weirdos.
The conservative understanding of virtue is so different. They value loyalty and conformity above anything else. Loyalty often requires lying (both to others and yourself).
So they can’t fully wrap their minds around why a person in the Left would truly criticize a fellow Leftist. Their principles don’t include integrity. To them, this is the same as a team sport and so calling out your own side would be like calling a penalty against your own team in OT. It sounds as crazy to them as that.
The idea that leaders (or players) should be accountable and held to similar standards regardless of who is playing, is lost on them.
The whataboutism is just frustrating. Flight logs in their own right don't matter as much, as he was a successful broker and held lavish parties. Emails, pictures, videos, that's what counts for prosecution. fk anyone on his blackmail list. It's not political - it's accountability.
My daughter's grown now and a teacher, and I believe she too would uphold those legal standards (taped around a baseball bat) to those who believe their positions and influence allow them to abuse young girls.
I've pretty much cut myself off from most of my maternal family because they continue to support my cousin, a pedophile that molested his own toddler. He pled guilty to life in prison and years later they continue to whine and moan about how unfair it is that his kids have to grow up without their dad.
He got turned in to the FBI by AOL for emailing CP to himself(to transfer it from his phone to his computer). And yes some of the relatives still defending him were shown some of the pictures he had in order to identify him and his daughter in the pictures.
And yes, surprise surprise, they are hardcore maga and "christian".
One of the last times I was around any of them they had decided it was all his wife's fault for looking at the pictures and confirming it appeared to be him and her stepdaughter in the photos. Oh and she's gone no contact and they tried to go into some rage about grandparents rights.
It’s so bizarre how they tie their entire personal identity to an ideology and their weirdo political figures.
They treat everything like fandom of a professional sports team and everything has to be “even” like it’s a game: ”If *our** guy goes down, your guy has to go down, too!”* …as if anyone should hold a politician in that high a regard.
I also don't get how these people don't get we mostly fucking Hate Bill Clinton. Removed Glass-Steagall and made the stock market a fundamentally unserious gambling casino, turned the presidency into a sex circus, cemented democrats as lazy feckless porno people in the eyes of the public.
This honestly is the biggest division between republicans and democrats right now. One side is flawed but polices itself to some degree, the other denies any wrongdoing and lies, lies, lies.
And as for Clinton? He was basically a republican anyway. He deregulated the banks, he deregulated the FCC, he broke welfare, and he was in the process of privatizing social security when the Monica Lewinsky scandal derailed him. He gave republicans everything they wanted, then they crucified him.
Crucify them all, now (proverbially). All of them. Anyone involved, just to be safe, lock them away forever.
To be fair: Clinton, Gates, and many other powerful people could throw themselves on the grenade and save us from Trump. But they aren't willing to go down with him.
Bill Clinton coming out and saying 'yes Trump sucked my dick' would absolutely not be ignored. He wouldn't even have to be telling the truth and he could sink him.
This is sadly true. His cult would be wayyyyyy more upset at the notion trump isnt a straight man than they are at him being a rapist of women and girls.
The fact that they all believe that this queen who prances around the Liberace'd White House listening to the Cats soundtrack is straight is the funniest thing about all of this
Nah, no chance that moves the needle. They wouldn’t care either way. Every time a tranche of damaging info is released, the immediate reaction is “you people are so desperate, lol” and “is that the best you can do?” They don’t care
You don't understand how deep homophobia is in that community, a lot of it internalized. Yes they'll likely still support him because their desire to be racist and inability to admit they were wrong will always outweigh anything else but that absolutely would be a cultural shift. There's no question.
Oh no, i mean I get your point and I don’t disagree. I’m just saying he could announce he’s received a BJ from a man, or there could be video of it and I think more likely than lose support, they would justify or outright deny it ever happened.
Ah yes I give total credibility to the story that a room containing Trump, Clinton, Putin, and two Epsteins (at least) resulted in one of the men giving another felatio on an island explicitly filled with under age girls for their amusement...
Even if it were true it is so unbelievable it wouldn't stick and would be labeled as him "trying to take Trump with him".
You mentioned others too but can only come up with one example. I think you were making shit up.
Unless they were on the island at the same time as Trump and witnessed him doing something illegal there's literally nothing they could say that would lead to charges or even sway anyone's opinion on the matter.
In fact can anyone link to any evidence that points to Clinton fucking grils on Jeffs island.
I've looked, there's fucking NOTHING. Not a single woman has ever accused of Bill Clinton of sexual assaulting them on Epstines island, or with Epstein or anything. This is all I found.
Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein’s best-known accusers, reportedly mentioned seeing Clinton on Epstein’s private island in early accounts and said she saw him with “two young girls,” but she did not accuse him of sexual misconduct with her or anyone else. She later clarified parts of her statements and did not allege Clinton sexually abused anyonne"
Another accuser identified as “Jane Doe 15” (in a lawsuit involving Epstein) said Epstein called Clinton a “good friend,” but she did not say Clinton abused her or was involved in abuse
Its all these weird twitter memes, some pictures that just shows Clinton with a girl, that jeff knew
fuck this "both sides" shit, Clinton isn't trying to sop anything from being released, its one side, the GOP TRUMP and MAGA
trump is the main focus for sure cause hes the one trying to cover up the files and all the bs around them From there i agree with everyone else. if you are in the lists and touched a kid well thats it for you. it sucks hawking was on the list for visiting the island. no clue if he did anything but i remember hearing about it.
it sucks hawking was on the list for visiting the island. no clue if he did anything but i remember hearing about it.
The guy was on 24hr medical observation, he traveled with a staff that could watch him in 3 - 8hr shifts, he COULDN'T MOVE any part of his goddamn body....
Its pretty simple, Epstein was originally a physics teacher who loved astronomy and was a billionaire who could fly the most well known astrophysicist of our time to his island to talk to him.
Did you know Bill Clinton said he was fine with the release of the files? Now MAGA cant use the excuse that he might be in them as a reason not to release them.
His office told the Journal in response to its story about Clinton's birthday letter to Epstein: "It's been 20 years since President Clinton last had contact with Epstein, well before any of his crimes came to light. President Clinton has never been accused of any wrongdoing.
"Furthermore, when asked about the release of documents last year by the court, we did not, and do not, object to the unsealing."
This is clearly the most obvious and salient point. But the subtext here is: do we want fucking pedophiles in any position of power in this country?
Having sex with coerced minors is a moral and legal line that only a severely corrupted soul will cross. What kind of moral judgments can we expect a leader LIKE THAT to make?
PS: i can’t believe I have to make this argument. Holy shit we have been so fucked.
Honestly, the best punishment we could give them would be loading them onto a spacecraft (paid for with theit seized assets) and sending them all out into deep space. No outbound comms, just enough water and food to last long enough for them to disappear into the abyss, and a live feed video so we can watch them all slowly starve in space and begin resorting to cannibalism. And when theres just 1 soul left, we slowly reduce the oxygen supply over a period of days or weeks. And during those days we'll completely cut it off for 1-2 minutes at a time and then turn it back on at a slightly lower level than before. Pad the entire inside of the craft like a suicide watch holding cell, no easy out for the last one, just stuck floating around with the cannibalized remains of their fellow passengers until the light slowly fades. Make a truly horrific example of these people and put it on full display for all of humanity to see.
The democrats are the only ones releasing anything at all right now and they’re the ones that released these pictures. We obviously don’t care, lock them all up.
Conventionally a decade is 10 years, but I was counting in base-8 to match presidential terms. But your point is well taken, I should have said four octades ago.
Also any post-Roosevelt American Democrat President is at best a center-right president. If you are actually left-wing you'd feel about as little connection with them as with Republican ones.
That’s why the house released photos of both of them, to make a statement. This should be the easiest bi-partisan debate in world history, EVERYONE that played a part in this needs to go down.
I literally had never once dedicated a single thought towards Bill Clinton before maga weirdoes who worship a child predator decided that Clinton is somehow a gotcha. He literally hasn't been relevant to anyone other than Epstein's victims in decades.
Lock them both up. No one should get away with their parts in this global child sex trafficking ring , I don't care who they are! Literally nothing in the world could ever justify not prosecuting literally everyone on that list, and I mean literally everyone.
Why do these numbnut creep weirdos think anyone gives a shit about Clinton? What, are they still trying to suck off Bush Jr?
I literally had never once dedicated a single thought towards Bill Clinton before maga weirdoes who worship a child predator decided that Clinton is somehow a gotcha.
Ditto. I was 13 years old when he left office. I never voted for him, and if he's guilty of a crime, I'd want him to be held responsible just like anyone else.
MAGA voted for Trump three times, with the most recent being after he was already convicted of 34 felonies. So from where I'm sitting, only one side is consistently protecting and supporting criminals.
Yeah, my grandma was like "what about Bill Clinton???" when I talked about Trump being gross to women. And I'm like... yeah sure I don't like him either??? I was too young to even remember him being president? For my entire life he's been the creep who got impeached after being inappropriate with an intern...
And exactly about not dedicating a single thought to Clinton...like the most relevance he's had to my life is when his wife ran for president lol
Pedophiles go beyond party affiliation, this is some of the lowest forms of depraved human behavior and needs to be punished to the fullest extent that laws allow. PERIOD
Seriously, who goes to Pedophile Island and doesn't blow the whole thing wide open when they find out the ages of the prostitutes? Fucking creeps who belong in jail, that's who.
Did you know Bill Clinton said he was fine with the release of the files? Now MAGA cant use the excuse that he might be in them as a reason not to release them.
His office told the Journal in response to its story about Clinton's birthday letter to Epstein: "It's been 20 years since President Clinton last had contact with Epstein, well before any of his crimes came to light. President Clinton has never been accused of any wrongdoing.
"Furthermore, when asked about the release of documents last year by the court, we did not, and do not, object to the unsealing."
Did YOU know I don’t care what Clinton is fine with. Any president who hangs out with a serial pedophile, sex trafficker of minors and rapist should be charged with aiding and abetting, he is complicit and probably didn’t do or say anything because there was something there he was enjoying or benefiting from, or he would have moved to stop it. Everyone who hung out with this perv for any amount of time knew what Epstein was doing, they all say so.
I haven’t heard a single Democrat voter say they would be upset if Bill Clinton’s name was in the Epstein files. Neither on here, or any other social media platform or even in person for that matter. I’ve actually heard nothing but the exact opposite. Most Dems say we should throw his ass in prison along with Trump if he’s in the files. I don’t care what letter is in front of a politicians name, pdf files don’t get a pass!
Just had someone in another sub, claiming to be a “centrist” of course, say that republicans shouldn’t have to hold trump accountable until the democrats hold their own in the files accountable. What a fucking joke. As if there’s not a single democrat who wouldn’t lock them all up, or a single republican who would lock trump up.
I have NEVER heard anyone on the left idolize a politician like they idolize Trump. Obama is probably my favorite politician ever (yes, he’s probably still guilty of committing war crimes but we’re grading on a curve) and I wouldn’t even consider buying merch with his name on it.
The US got taken over by the corporate class decades ago who have spent the last roughly 50 years undermining working class people.
Trump and Clinton are friends. They're part of the corporate class. You guys wouldn't have Trump if it wasn't for Clinton deregulating the media back in the 90s.
The Epstein stuff is a distraction for the fact that the US is backing a proxy war against Ukraine while supporting a genocide in Gaza and overthrowing Venezuela for their resources. Not to mention subversively taking over Canada.
There is a huge difference between Bill and Trump.. Had we known back in 92 what we know now. Liberals would never have elected him.. What we know about clinton didnt come out till 2002-2004.
What we know about Trump, his businesses, his scam universities, his association with Epstien and Trump even knowing or being a particiapnt with Epstien. We found that out in 2009.. Knowing all this, the GOP still nominated him. Trump was still elected. The base and the party simply ignored decades of evidence of criminality.
No, her name is Chauntae Davies. She has been one of the women going to Congress as the group of Epstein victims. She has given an interview about Clinton in the past. She said that she went on a trip to Africa with Epstein and Clinton. She said that Clinton was a "perfect gentleman." Clinton may be a monster but I don't think this picture is evidence of it.
There's a picture of Clinton receiving a massage from virginia giuffre. She said Maxwell put them up to the picture and Giuffre said nothing happened between her and Clinton. She did say Maxwell and Epstein repeatedly raped her, however.
Reminder: Epstein and Trump were about as close friends as Maxwell and Epstein. They were best buddies.
Absolutely lock him up too if he's accused by the victims of sa. The thing is though, nobody has. They say yep, he was there. Nah, he didn't do a thing.
The picture is from a trip to Africa as part of the Clinton Foundation. In fact, none of the girls have said Clinton did anything nor is there evidence he actually ever went to the Island. Not that I'm defending him but people seem to always be screaming 'Clinton' when there is absolutely TONS of evidence Trump was actively involved in recruitment and rape of young girls. In fact, he admitted to as much when he said Epstein was kicked out of Mar-a-lago not because a business deal (Trump's original lie) but because Epstein was grooming Trump's own prospects and Trump could name both girls, one of which was Virginia.
I never get this accusation by the right. The Democrats were the party that ousted Al Franken, a successful, well liked Senator who crossed the line with inappropriate behavior towards several women. At the same time Republicans were supporting Roy Moore, who was accused of sexual assault against minors.
The left is calli g for ALL the files to be released. That includes any that may have Clinton in them....who also, btw, is calling for them all to be released.
Clinton has not been in office for TWENTY FIVE YEARS. We do not care. Do not let them deflect. Prosecute people who committed crimes, whether they were in power years ago... OR NOW.
Which criminal pedophile is more important right now:
The one who was president over 20 years ago and now holds no political power
The one currently in control of the Department of Justice, Congress, and the Supreme Court
They should both rot in jail if found to have committed crimes, but we talk about the one currently in control of the government, because he's able to protect himself and his accomplices via corrupt use of that power.
Wtf has the Clinton's got to do with the Left? Can Americans get it into their heads that corporate Democrats are not “Left”. They are too the Right of many Conservative parties around the world. They only appear somewhat Left when compared to the fascist GOP.
I don't know any Democrat who is surprised that Clinton is Implicated. Heck if you had asked me a year ago I would have said " yeah he was probably there and he needs to be brought to justice for it as well.."
We don't want ANYONE to get away with it. It breaks my heart that there are famous people in the list that I thought were good people and I have to hate now, BUT.. hate them I do.
This shouldn't be a controversial opinion. " If you hurt kids you should get in trouble"
Also, why would anyone on the left try to defend bill clinton? Every leftist I know despises that man.
Centrist democrats maybe. But that’s not the left like this person is claiming. and i haven’t even really seen any of those democrats defending him either way.
There are so many people that I’m more upset about being potentially criminal sex offenders than Bill Clinton. Why does anyone think “the left” gives a fuck about Bill Clinton? Let alone to the degree that we wouldn’t want him jailed or punished?
Chomsky, for one, hurt a lot more.
But yeah, if they’ve done horrific crimes or knew Epstein was doing horrific crimes and said nothing, they should be punished.
I wish the world just announce some charges. Frankly like everyone else I’m sick and tired of having this statement bandied about. If he sexually abused a teenager then he should be charged. Ask the girls they abused, who are young women now, have all banded together and we’re whining for files when we have the victims right here! Why are the abusers not being arrested?
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The "Left" wants EVERYBODY who frequented that damned island to be tried fairly and jailed. We don't give a fuck what their political affiliation is.
I’m not even American and fucking yes.
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The argument or assertion being made in this tweet is still disingenuous.
Clinton compared to Trump is hardly of equal relevance. One is a sitting President. The other is looooong retired.
Sure, don’t let that stop you from wanting all culprits tried in court, but this premise regarding the left being dismissive apparently? It is based on a false equivalence.
Furthermore if this were anyone but Trump as sitting PotUS, and especially if it were a democrat. It’d be near civil war by now. Pitchforks and shotguns and incendiaries lol
I mean Clinton got fucking grilled over Lewinsky, way more than what Trump is experiencing right now. And that was merely an extramarital blow job ffs! Lol
Well you don't have to be American to have a chip in this game. Epstein was international.
Which begs the question of why this is only a US problem. Surely Interpol and a dozen other local agencies should be running their own investigations.
Maybe they are and just haven't said anything. But I'd love it if Trump and his DOJ were completely blindsided by someone else releasing their files unredacted.
Ooph, that would be amazing. Genuinely the biggest mic drop moment any organisation could do.
But even Interpol, when the POTUS would be implicated, aren't going to do it.
ETA: I also forgot to say, they also will not take down the former 'prince.'
Interpol very rarely runs its own investigations. Interpol and Europol are more for liaising and communication between different state police, in addition to training state polices.
Like, WTF was Bill Clinton there for a photo op? I dont think so...sicko
Same, same. Including the former Prince.
Clean out half (most??) of the government and start over fresh!!! Seems like it would be a great time to do this and a great opportunity to really weed out those that need. to. GO!
Also Wall Street! There were MORE rich business guys in Epstein's circle than politicians.
Absolutely!!! That magical, untouchable 1%!! Hell, the top 5%!
The massive amount of folks living at or below poverty level in this country makes it so that someone who legit works hard and makes six figures as an hourly worker is in the top 5%. Ill stick with 1% and be stoked.
And let's spend a lot more time bringing the 99% up after we take down the 1%.
Shit, man. There are still hard ass working doctors who spent a quarter of a million dollars on school and make like $400,000+ a year. Technically THEY'RE in the top 1%. The problem has literally never been the people who work for wages.
No War But Class War!
250k on school is not a lot anymore (in the sense you speak of). Many universities across the country cost $60k per year forundergrad now and then you factor in housing, food, and travel.
No guarantee of a $100k job either.
“Drain the swamp” got the MAGA republicans so riled up that they never paused to consider that the person yelling that may, indeed, be yelling from deep within the swamp.
Edited to fix spelling and terms.
He's the biggest gator of them all. Cold-blooded predator.
And if 1992 Bill Clinton came along in 2025, the Democratic base would reject him because of all the rape allegations. Republicans would probably use it as an example of the cancel culture that they hate.
Cancel culture that they rally against until they are the ones doing the cancelling - just like every other thing the right pontificates about, every, fucking, time....
Maybe all politicians should be subject to the results of a no confidence poll. If less than 30% of your constituents, think you’re doing a good job, then you are automatically out of office, and ineligible to run again.
I wish we had a parliamentary system as well as proportional representation and mandatory voting.
And public funding of elections with no private funding allowed
I would reject him for the fact that he was impeached even if he wasn't removed from office. Him being a rapist and an Epstein frequent flyer would just seal the decision.
Same thing if there were any rape allegations or sexual misconduct allegations against Joe Biden, the democratic base would call for immediate impeachment, and rightfully so.
It’s telling how confused conservatives are about this.
everything conservatives talk about now is at least 20 years old
quaran burnings, victory mosques, bill clinton, tinky winkys purse, big bird (PBS).
everything in the headlines today was a headline 20+ years ago.
Bill Clinton is so old half of millennials are too young to remember his presidency, and they are reaching their 40s but to MAGA they think he is still a major democrat.
The Gen Z guys angry about this stuff werent even alive at the time but are stuck fixating about headlines from the late 90s/early 2000s that were embarrassing to average republicans at the time and were laughed at as weirdos.
The conservative understanding of virtue is so different. They value loyalty and conformity above anything else. Loyalty often requires lying (both to others and yourself).
So they can’t fully wrap their minds around why a person in the Left would truly criticize a fellow Leftist. Their principles don’t include integrity. To them, this is the same as a team sport and so calling out your own side would be like calling a penalty against your own team in OT. It sounds as crazy to them as that.
The idea that leaders (or players) should be accountable and held to similar standards regardless of who is playing, is lost on them.
Yep. I don’t give a gingerbread flavored fuck if my grandfather, Steve Irwin, or Jesus Christ Himself is on the list. Bury him under the damn jail.
It’s not that hard to not support pedophiles.
“A gingerbread flavored fuck” has now been added to my vocabulary. Many thanks.
Also, you’re goddamn fucking right.
The whataboutism is just frustrating. Flight logs in their own right don't matter as much, as he was a successful broker and held lavish parties. Emails, pictures, videos, that's what counts for prosecution. fk anyone on his blackmail list. It's not political - it's accountability.
My daughter's grown now and a teacher, and I believe she too would uphold those legal standards (taped around a baseball bat) to those who believe their positions and influence allow them to abuse young girls.
I've pretty much cut myself off from most of my maternal family because they continue to support my cousin, a pedophile that molested his own toddler. He pled guilty to life in prison and years later they continue to whine and moan about how unfair it is that his kids have to grow up without their dad.
He got turned in to the FBI by AOL for emailing CP to himself(to transfer it from his phone to his computer). And yes some of the relatives still defending him were shown some of the pictures he had in order to identify him and his daughter in the pictures.
And yes, surprise surprise, they are hardcore maga and "christian".
One of the last times I was around any of them they had decided it was all his wife's fault for looking at the pictures and confirming it appeared to be him and her stepdaughter in the photos. Oh and she's gone no contact and they tried to go into some rage about grandparents rights.
They need to start looking for bodies on and around those islands owned by Branson and Epstein. England needs to look into their islands and Branson.
It’s so bizarre how they tie their entire personal identity to an ideology and their weirdo political figures.
They treat everything like fandom of a professional sports team and everything has to be “even” like it’s a game: ”If *our** guy goes down, your guy has to go down, too!”* …as if anyone should hold a politician in that high a regard.
I also don't get how these people don't get we mostly fucking Hate Bill Clinton. Removed Glass-Steagall and made the stock market a fundamentally unserious gambling casino, turned the presidency into a sex circus, cemented democrats as lazy feckless porno people in the eyes of the public.
Fucking piece of shit.
This honestly is the biggest division between republicans and democrats right now. One side is flawed but polices itself to some degree, the other denies any wrongdoing and lies, lies, lies.
At this point I'm thinking the real reason GOP doesn't call out pedos/SA is because they don't want to be hypocrites.
Besides which, they've got nothing on Bill, and he wants the files released. Their accusations are just confessions.
People keep forgetting The Clintons are all in on release everything.
I’ve been saying it for months - idgaf what the politics are of these child molesters. They need to all get in the bin.
Most Dems I know are openly rooting for Clinton and Gates to go down. The projection is insane
Right... this is not a political issue but a power issue. I dont care who you are or how you vote. Let them all burn
I kinda hate this acceptance of the framing though. According to the flight logs and recently released emails, Clinton never went to the island.
The left also fucking hates this sax playing blue Reaganite motherfucker even if he wasn't a pervert
I understand sax playing and blue, but what does Reaganite mean?
Not only jailed- some of us want all convicted pedos to face the ultimate punishment 🙋♀️
I want them to get life in prison. Shame that won't be very long for these dirty old men.
And the left doesn't consider Clinton one of our own anyway, but it wouldn't matter if he was.
Leftist here. I agree, lock them up.
And as for Clinton? He was basically a republican anyway. He deregulated the banks, he deregulated the FCC, he broke welfare, and he was in the process of privatizing social security when the Monica Lewinsky scandal derailed him. He gave republicans everything they wanted, then they crucified him.
Crucify them all, now (proverbially). All of them. Anyone involved, just to be safe, lock them away forever.
And we’ve hated bill clinton for decades anyway.
It's not Clinton stopping the evidence from coming out, It's Trump!!!
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WTF looks like he sucked the mummy's dick or something, and the mummy's dick sucked 20 years of life force right out of his face.
Trump siphoned the adrenochrome from Clinton the only way he knows how
Clinton himself has said he supports their release!
To be fair: Clinton, Gates, and many other powerful people could throw themselves on the grenade and save us from Trump. But they aren't willing to go down with him.
Why would that matter?
What evidence could they provide that wouldn't be ignored as much as all of the photos of Trump have been?
Not defending them but pretending "they aren't doing enough" is weird.
Bill Clinton coming out and saying 'yes Trump sucked my dick' would absolutely not be ignored. He wouldn't even have to be telling the truth and he could sink him.
This is sadly true. His cult would be wayyyyyy more upset at the notion trump isnt a straight man than they are at him being a rapist of women and girls.
The fact that they all believe that this queen who prances around the Liberace'd White House listening to the Cats soundtrack is straight is the funniest thing about all of this
For real. In better time line trump is a highly successful drag queen hosting a springer type talk show.
I would definitely watch that show. I imagine his character might be something like the talk show host (Chris Tucker)from 5th element =O
Nah, no chance that moves the needle. They wouldn’t care either way. Every time a tranche of damaging info is released, the immediate reaction is “you people are so desperate, lol” and “is that the best you can do?” They don’t care
You don't understand how deep homophobia is in that community, a lot of it internalized. Yes they'll likely still support him because their desire to be racist and inability to admit they were wrong will always outweigh anything else but that absolutely would be a cultural shift. There's no question.
Oh no, i mean I get your point and I don’t disagree. I’m just saying he could announce he’s received a BJ from a man, or there could be video of it and I think more likely than lose support, they would justify or outright deny it ever happened.
Only if someone on the left said it. If Trump said it, suddenly it’s ok with them.
Yes, it would be.
"He lied under oath and Trump won against his wife, he'll say anything"
Ah yes I give total credibility to the story that a room containing Trump, Clinton, Putin, and two Epsteins (at least) resulted in one of the men giving another felatio on an island explicitly filled with under age girls for their amusement...
Even if it were true it is so unbelievable it wouldn't stick and would be labeled as him "trying to take Trump with him".
You mentioned others too but can only come up with one example. I think you were making shit up.
How is that the case? Clinton has never said or done anything to prevent the files from being released.
Trump’s base believes that the Clintons are international crime family kingpins who have anyone who speaks out against them disappeared.
And so do 3/4 of the "progressives." It's just dumb. Don't like a politician on policy? Suddenly he could be guilty of any crime. Eye roll.
Is there any evidence that Clinton did anything illegal? If not why would he throw himself on the grenade?
Unless they were on the island at the same time as Trump and witnessed him doing something illegal there's literally nothing they could say that would lead to charges or even sway anyone's opinion on the matter.
How would Clinton/Gates/others go about sacrificing themselves to save us from trump? That sounds like a wonderful proposition
I’m not team left. I’m team destroy pedophiles.
sadly now they seem to be the same. dont like pedos? you must be a damn dirty American hating commie!
They don't seem the same.
In fact can anyone link to any evidence that points to Clinton fucking grils on Jeffs island.
I've looked, there's fucking NOTHING. Not a single woman has ever accused of Bill Clinton of sexual assaulting them on Epstines island, or with Epstein or anything. This is all I found.
Its all these weird twitter memes, some pictures that just shows Clinton with a girl, that jeff knew
fuck this "both sides" shit, Clinton isn't trying to sop anything from being released, its one side, the GOP TRUMP and MAGA
trump is the main focus for sure cause hes the one trying to cover up the files and all the bs around them From there i agree with everyone else. if you are in the lists and touched a kid well thats it for you. it sucks hawking was on the list for visiting the island. no clue if he did anything but i remember hearing about it.
The guy was on 24hr medical observation, he traveled with a staff that could watch him in 3 - 8hr shifts, he COULDN'T MOVE any part of his goddamn body....
Its pretty simple, Epstein was originally a physics teacher who loved astronomy and was a billionaire who could fly the most well known astrophysicist of our time to his island to talk to him.
im jsut saying even some one as esteemed as hawking was down there. if he even looked at the kids down there lustfully its enough to shun him.
I'm both
Did you know Bill Clinton said he was fine with the release of the files? Now MAGA cant use the excuse that he might be in them as a reason not to release them.
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-trump-charlamagne-tha-god-2105976
His office told the Journal in response to its story about Clinton's birthday letter to Epstein: "It's been 20 years since President Clinton last had contact with Epstein, well before any of his crimes came to light. President Clinton has never been accused of any wrongdoing.
This is clearly the most obvious and salient point. But the subtext here is: do we want fucking pedophiles in any position of power in this country?
Having sex with coerced minors is a moral and legal line that only a severely corrupted soul will cross. What kind of moral judgments can we expect a leader LIKE THAT to make?
PS: i can’t believe I have to make this argument. Holy shit we have been so fucked.
At this point I just fucking hate maga and want to vote for whoever will attack their institutions the most
Well I for one will definitely not vote for him when he definitely doesn’t run for POTUS again
He can share a cell with Trump to save tax money on protection for them both. DOGE in action.
Straight to jail. All of them.
Trials would be good
Jail before trial, prison after (for the guilty).
Exactly. Especially the rich ones who will try to skip bail.
I read that as poison after and was nodding...
Yeet all of them into the sun
Honestly, the best punishment we could give them would be loading them onto a spacecraft (paid for with theit seized assets) and sending them all out into deep space. No outbound comms, just enough water and food to last long enough for them to disappear into the abyss, and a live feed video so we can watch them all slowly starve in space and begin resorting to cannibalism. And when theres just 1 soul left, we slowly reduce the oxygen supply over a period of days or weeks. And during those days we'll completely cut it off for 1-2 minutes at a time and then turn it back on at a slightly lower level than before. Pad the entire inside of the craft like a suicide watch holding cell, no easy out for the last one, just stuck floating around with the cannibalized remains of their fellow passengers until the light slowly fades. Make a truly horrific example of these people and put it on full display for all of humanity to see.
Fucking hell, that's grim and I like it
Yeah really put a lot of thought into to it.
But thats how we finally get to another planet and find out its a dystopia nightmare totalitarian planet thats about to invade
That would be an amazing movie. Bleak, but damn.
Should pedophiles face consequences for their actions?:
A) Yes B) No C) Depends on whether they are my favorite politician
If you answered B or C, you’re in a cult
It really is as simple as this. Anyone making excuses or reasoning otherwise is morally bankrupt.
Agreed…Who was making comments recently on fox about then not being kids but teens... trying to play it down…. wtf is going on in this world
Imagine even having a favourite politician. Fucking bonkers. It’s a person doing a job. Not a wrestler.
The democrats are the only ones releasing anything at all right now and they’re the ones that released these pictures. We obviously don’t care, lock them all up.
EXACTLY. Democrats released these photos of Bill, Trump, Bannon...
Republicans are literally protecting pedophiles.
https://preview.redd.it/tsk2lcgtnu6g1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbf2c8c95f98bbc65f987d86c72669dd3bf1a8fb
>Bill Clinton
>the left
Last notable political thing the guy did was endorse Andrew Cuomo against Zohran. 'Nuff said
Bill Clinton is a politician from four decades ago. He matters nothing to non-boomer liberals in 2025.
uh might want to count again
Give me a break, it's not like I have a calculator in my pocket.
Friend, 10. Decade is 10. Don’t be silly, it’s just an oops. We all do them.
3 decades. Now all of are sorted out.
Conventionally a decade is 10 years, but I was counting in base-8 to match presidential terms. But your point is well taken, I should have said four octades ago.
r/theydidthemath
Yup. Fry his ass.
I mean, or icebox it for the remaining 10ish years he has. Makes no difference to me.
Supposedly lefty Bill Clinton: let's bomb Bosnia
Also any post-Roosevelt American Democrat President is at best a center-right president. If you are actually left-wing you'd feel about as little connection with them as with Republican ones.
I kinda want a hat that says "I don't worship politicians"
This argument always goes the same way.
“Trump was an Epstein peadophile”
“What about Clinton”
“Him too”
“…”
I was in preschool when Bill Clinton was last president, why would people think I care about him at all.
That’s why the house released photos of both of them, to make a statement. This should be the easiest bi-partisan debate in world history, EVERYONE that played a part in this needs to go down.
"But democrats...!"
"Fuck them too."
We don't all excuse monsters that vote with us.
I literally had never once dedicated a single thought towards Bill Clinton before maga weirdoes who worship a child predator decided that Clinton is somehow a gotcha. He literally hasn't been relevant to anyone other than Epstein's victims in decades.
Lock them both up. No one should get away with their parts in this global child sex trafficking ring , I don't care who they are! Literally nothing in the world could ever justify not prosecuting literally everyone on that list, and I mean literally everyone.
Why do these numbnut creep weirdos think anyone gives a shit about Clinton? What, are they still trying to suck off Bush Jr?
Ditto. I was 13 years old when he left office. I never voted for him, and if he's guilty of a crime, I'd want him to be held responsible just like anyone else.
MAGA voted for Trump three times, with the most recent being after he was already convicted of 34 felonies. So from where I'm sitting, only one side is consistently protecting and supporting criminals.
Yeah, my grandma was like "what about Bill Clinton???" when I talked about Trump being gross to women. And I'm like... yeah sure I don't like him either??? I was too young to even remember him being president? For my entire life he's been the creep who got impeached after being inappropriate with an intern...
And exactly about not dedicating a single thought to Clinton...like the most relevance he's had to my life is when his wife ran for president lol
The youngest people who could have voted for Clinton are 47 now. I don't know anyone who is any kind of Clinton fan. It's such nonsense.
Like how Trump blows off Clinton?
To be fair, he does have a history of getting blown off.
Pedophiles go beyond party affiliation, this is some of the lowest forms of depraved human behavior and needs to be punished to the fullest extent that laws allow. PERIOD
YES!!!
Seriously, who goes to Pedophile Island and doesn't blow the whole thing wide open when they find out the ages of the prostitutes? Fucking creeps who belong in jail, that's who.
Lol every left-winger I know despises Bill Clinton and considers him a sex-pest that pulled the Democratic Party way to the right.
Those born after 1980 for the latter part, at least. We can all agree on the first part.
Hillary would have been so much more palatable if she had dumped that adulterer before running for President.
Trump blows him off.
Well, him or a horse.
Far lefties here, charge this perv too!
Yep. And Democrats released these photos since Republicans on the committee are complicit.
Did you know Bill Clinton said he was fine with the release of the files? Now MAGA cant use the excuse that he might be in them as a reason not to release them.
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-trump-charlamagne-tha-god-2105976
His office told the Journal in response to its story about Clinton's birthday letter to Epstein: "It's been 20 years since President Clinton last had contact with Epstein, well before any of his crimes came to light. President Clinton has never been accused of any wrongdoing.
Did YOU know I don’t care what Clinton is fine with. Any president who hangs out with a serial pedophile, sex trafficker of minors and rapist should be charged with aiding and abetting, he is complicit and probably didn’t do or say anything because there was something there he was enjoying or benefiting from, or he would have moved to stop it. Everyone who hung out with this perv for any amount of time knew what Epstein was doing, they all say so.
https://preview.redd.it/h52f7rjkmu6g1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=97df65a281434aabc82f942a7990e0483acb5040
I haven’t heard a single Democrat voter say they would be upset if Bill Clinton’s name was in the Epstein files. Neither on here, or any other social media platform or even in person for that matter. I’ve actually heard nothing but the exact opposite. Most Dems say we should throw his ass in prison along with Trump if he’s in the files. I don’t care what letter is in front of a politicians name, pdf files don’t get a pass!
Just had someone in another sub, claiming to be a “centrist” of course, say that republicans shouldn’t have to hold trump accountable until the democrats hold their own in the files accountable. What a fucking joke. As if there’s not a single democrat who wouldn’t lock them all up, or a single republican who would lock trump up.
Fuck every single one of these pedophiles.
I have NEVER heard anyone on the left idolize a politician like they idolize Trump. Obama is probably my favorite politician ever (yes, he’s probably still guilty of committing war crimes but we’re grading on a curve) and I wouldn’t even consider buying merch with his name on it.
I dont care if Obama, the Dali Lama, or Jesus himself is on that list. They all need to be brought to justice. They can all burn together.
Oh no! Time to throw out my Bill Clinton hat, I guess
You know who else blew him off?
You guys in the US got tricked into thinking left = Democrats and right = Republicans.
The term 'left' refers to working class people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat
The term 'right' refers to the corporate class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie
The US got taken over by the corporate class decades ago who have spent the last roughly 50 years undermining working class people.
Trump and Clinton are friends. They're part of the corporate class. You guys wouldn't have Trump if it wasn't for Clinton deregulating the media back in the 90s.
The Epstein stuff is a distraction for the fact that the US is backing a proxy war against Ukraine while supporting a genocide in Gaza and overthrowing Venezuela for their resources. Not to mention subversively taking over Canada.
If those kids could read, they'd be very upset.
Yep. If anyone. Democrats republicans or independents committed those crimes, arrest all of them. They have no place in society
There is a huge difference between Bill and Trump.. Had we known back in 92 what we know now. Liberals would never have elected him.. What we know about clinton didnt come out till 2002-2004.
What we know about Trump, his businesses, his scam universities, his association with Epstien and Trump even knowing or being a particiapnt with Epstien. We found that out in 2009.. Knowing all this, the GOP still nominated him. Trump was still elected. The base and the party simply ignored decades of evidence of criminality.
Didn’t this woman kill herself? Monsters
No, her name is Chauntae Davies. She has been one of the women going to Congress as the group of Epstein victims. She has given an interview about Clinton in the past. She said that she went on a trip to Africa with Epstein and Clinton. She said that Clinton was a "perfect gentleman." Clinton may be a monster but I don't think this picture is evidence of it.
Thank you. I was thinking about Virginia Giuffre.
There's a picture of Clinton receiving a massage from virginia giuffre. She said Maxwell put them up to the picture and Giuffre said nothing happened between her and Clinton. She did say Maxwell and Epstein repeatedly raped her, however.
Reminder: Epstein and Trump were about as close friends as Maxwell and Epstein. They were best buddies.
Absolutely lock him up too if he's accused by the victims of sa. The thing is though, nobody has. They say yep, he was there. Nah, he didn't do a thing.
The picture is from a trip to Africa as part of the Clinton Foundation. In fact, none of the girls have said Clinton did anything nor is there evidence he actually ever went to the Island. Not that I'm defending him but people seem to always be screaming 'Clinton' when there is absolutely TONS of evidence Trump was actively involved in recruitment and rape of young girls. In fact, he admitted to as much when he said Epstein was kicked out of Mar-a-lago not because a business deal (Trump's original lie) but because Epstein was grooming Trump's own prospects and Trump could name both girls, one of which was Virginia.
magats keeps saying this and I have never seen ANYONE defend clinton. Their projection and desire for duh furor to not be implicated is mind boggling.
They don't seem to hear us when we say, "We literally don't care whose names are in the files."
They don't WANT to hear us. It's easier to defend their pedophiles when they think we're doing the same. They're disgusting.
Classic projection
I never get this accusation by the right. The Democrats were the party that ousted Al Franken, a successful, well liked Senator who crossed the line with inappropriate behavior towards several women. At the same time Republicans were supporting Roy Moore, who was accused of sexual assault against minors.
The left is calli g for ALL the files to be released. That includes any that may have Clinton in them....who also, btw, is calling for them all to be released.
The girl in the picture has been identified, spoken to the media, and said Clinton didn't do anything involving her.
You're literally playing into Right-wing bullshit, at least try to follow this stuff if you're going to share it.
From Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauntae-davies-bill-clinton-massage/
Not saying Clinton shouldn't go to jail if he did something, but this doesn't seem to be that.
WHATABOUT!!!!!!!
I have no problem with him going away too. If someone commits horrific crimes against children they should be locked up no matter who they are.
These people need to understand the difference between bill clinton and Trump.
Trump is the fucking president! He is way more relevant than clinton.
Evil is evil, but one is benign and the other is malignant. Forgive me for being more aggressive towards one than towards the other.
And anyway, it was Trump that blew off Clinton.
Why do they keep saying this? We don’t give a fuck who it is. Fry em.
The left hates Bill Clinton. The only ones who love the Clintons are center-right who compose the donor class of the Democratic Party
Not a single left leaning person I know gives a shit if Bill Clinton goes to jail.
Clinton hasn't been president for longer than this poster has likely been alive.
Bury his pedophile ass under the prison
Clinton has not been in office for TWENTY FIVE YEARS. We do not care. Do not let them deflect. Prosecute people who committed crimes, whether they were in power years ago... OR NOW.
If Bill Clinton was diddling children... he should go to prison just like every other pedophile. Period. End of sentence.
Which criminal pedophile is more important right now:
The one who was president over 20 years ago and now holds no political power
The one currently in control of the Department of Justice, Congress, and the Supreme Court
They should both rot in jail if found to have committed crimes, but we talk about the one currently in control of the government, because he's able to protect himself and his accomplices via corrupt use of that power.
Voted for him but I would also support him going to jail
No no. I very much care that all child predators get taken down. Thank you for your attention on this matter.
Put every single one of them in prison… forever.
Wtf has the Clinton's got to do with the Left? Can Americans get it into their heads that corporate Democrats are not “Left”. They are too the Right of many Conservative parties around the world. They only appear somewhat Left when compared to the fascist GOP.
No one is pretending he’s NOT a sex pest
I don't know any Democrat who is surprised that Clinton is Implicated. Heck if you had asked me a year ago I would have said " yeah he was probably there and he needs to be brought to justice for it as well.."
We don't want ANYONE to get away with it. It breaks my heart that there are famous people in the list that I thought were good people and I have to hate now, BUT.. hate them I do.
This shouldn't be a controversial opinion. " If you hurt kids you should get in trouble"
Imagine thinking that normal people don't care if another human is pedophile solely based on their completely deranged "political" beliefs.
I’m a lib and idgaf what affiliation these fuckers have. Friend, foe, politician; if you rape children you should go to prison, for life.
Seems like donny was the one blowing off that frequent flyer
Bury all of the old men who abused those girls. Every. Last. One.
Right or left
I don't care what political party a pedophile/rapist belongs to, if they are a pedophile/rapist, I want them to pay for their crimes. No exceptions.
Also, why would anyone on the left try to defend bill clinton? Every leftist I know despises that man.
Centrist democrats maybe. But that’s not the left like this person is claiming. and i haven’t even really seen any of those democrats defending him either way.
There are so many people that I’m more upset about being potentially criminal sex offenders than Bill Clinton. Why does anyone think “the left” gives a fuck about Bill Clinton? Let alone to the degree that we wouldn’t want him jailed or punished?
Chomsky, for one, hurt a lot more.
But yeah, if they’ve done horrific crimes or knew Epstein was doing horrific crimes and said nothing, they should be punished.
I wish the world just announce some charges. Frankly like everyone else I’m sick and tired of having this statement bandied about. If he sexually abused a teenager then he should be charged. Ask the girls they abused, who are young women now, have all banded together and we’re whining for files when we have the victims right here! Why are the abusers not being arrested?
Unlike Treason Trump and Ugly Dershowitz, Women actually wanted Bill Clinton.
They all must face the music even the ones I voted for.
they really don’t get it.
It’s weird how they think anyone gives an f what happens to Clinton especially if he’s a p*do
We should all wear blue "CLINTON" and OBAMA hats just to piss off MAGA.