Just so we're clear, not linking to a site isn't brigading and gatekeeping is a tactic for moderating.
Edit: I'm leaving up mods who've left downvoted/reported comments and only removing people's comments that don't moderate any subs.
Edit 2: Please observe our notices:
This subreddit is for moderators to discuss coordination efforts. Any non-mods that even give us a hint that they're trolling in any way will be banned.
One note on screenshots. They are generally harder to deal with for blind/low vision users who use screen readers. So if people want to share Twitter content, putting the text of the post next to the screenshot is vastly preferred.
At r/reddevils we come up to banning the link but allow the screenshot. This is because most of infos related to Manchester United is coming from that website. It also goes perfectly because many of our users have no account on the website and thus unable to access the link
At best you can see a single tweet. If you are sharing a thread X is literally unusable without an account. Context is literally impossible to get without an account. And even then posts can easily be suppressed to the point you need an account to see it.
Important to note here that you can still see the full context of the thread using third-party clients like https://nitter.poast.org or https://xcancel.com/ (these are the only ones I'm aware of).
Just substitute https://twitter.com/, https://x.com/ or whatever the domain happens to be with https://nitter.poast.org or https://xcancel.com/.
Important to note here that you can still see the full context of the thread using third-party clients like https://nitter.poast.org or https://xcancel.com/ (these are the only ones I'm aware of).
Just substitute https://twitter.com/, https://x.com/ or whatever the domain happens to be with https://nitter.poast.org or https://xcancel.com/.
Most subs I've seen have gone this way. The content on twitter may still be validly useful. But it's inaccessible to those without an account, or on mobile, etc etc. By banning links we're actually making Twitter MORE accessible. ::wink wink::
I don't think we have had any links to twitter or FB in my main sub, location based. It is in Germany and we would care about alt-right stuff but it hasn't been a problem to date. If it becomes one, and people object then I'll gladly add a filter to automod.
The subreddits I’m moding aren’t because we rarely get Twitter posts. I do have a question for those who are banning it and requiring screenshots instead; how do you know those are legit screenshots and not one of those fake Tweet sites? I’ve seen a lot of false information spread in the past via screenshots of fake posts. Instagram link, but here’s proof from a month ago that I personally saw at least a half dozen times. Completely faked. https://www.instagram.com/p/DDu2mlURabF/
Edit: it's fine if you disagree with me, but at least comment why before you downvote me. I'm working with the knowledge I have at the time.
All the subs I have seen ban links to X/Twitter don't really use it heavily in the first place.
I imagine that such a ban would be hard for communities that are on both this platform and the other.
For example, this would hurt subs that post other's artwork and require attribution, which is inevitably going to require links to X to properly attribute source/artists.
Some communities are linked much more closely with social media and websites outside of reddit, and you probably won't be able to convince them to ban them, regardless of the sins the platform's leaders have committed.
And to be frank, this ban isn't going to do anything except garner a bit of attention. So for communities that actually rely on X, IMHO it's a bad trade to punish the users for the tiny effect the ban would actually have.
But yeah for communities that don't really use X, requiring screenshots instead of links is a good solution because you won't need an account to view the tweet; although it would require turning on images in comments to replace links there.
Not downvoting - this adds meaningfully to the conversation.
If you do have a mind to ban Xhitter and this is what's holding you back, I'd suggest pushing your community toward alternatives like Bluesky and Mastadon. The former is basically an old-Twitter clone at this point, and the verified checkmark on Xhitter stopped meaning anything when ownership changed.
The subs I personally moderate don't use X, and there hasn't been an X or Twitter links in the past year, so there's not any migration to be had on my end. My sub is a slowly dying image posting sub.
But for my broader point above, I agree with you, I also highly recommend Mastodon and Bluesky. It's just that for communities that has found a home on Twitter, they aren't going to be all that willing to move, even if one of their community leaders tries to push for it.
I suppose I'm being a little too cynical on the value of this ban VS the cost.
We should be realistic on its value, rather than positive or cynical.
My general impression from Reddit’s overarching community is people are very vocal about the issues they have with Elon Musk and X. But that already has had a negligible effect, which makes this situation oddly similar to Reddit Blackout.
I’ve read reactions to the bans and in some, like rHololive, the creators that the community is formed around entirely use X for announcements. Banning X would only hurt the community, as all other popular platforms are subpar in reach and/or functionality. And it’s not like a massive corporation will change their operations from community leaders’ actions.
You admit Elon's salute might be a white supremacist salute, but want to claim it is not a Nazi salute because Elon's technique sucks?
Nazi is just shorthand for white nationalist and they appropriated the roman/bellamy/swastika salute well enough that no reasonable person will try to use them, much less in public from behind the American presidential seal.
You're responding to someone that wants to make a "rise of the Nazi party simulator". The fact they want to glorify them in any medium should be enough red flags for anyone.
I'm not gonna go so far as a Goebbels holocaust simulator as comes later, with the Night of the Broken Glass and all that.
I hate people think being even a "little Nazi, just not full Nazi" is okay.
I don't think anyone believes Elon Musk actually aspires to join the 20th century German Nazi Party, so the fact that he's doing it differently or "incorrectly" isn't really that important, it's the intent. If he's intending to make a nazi salute, it doesn't really matter of if it is the same or different from the original. And it's hard to imaging he didn't intend to when it's one of the most universally recognized symbols of Nazism right next to the swastika and Hitler's mustache.
And the Bellamy salute is a great example of why one wouldn't do that. An entire country (the USA even, which is fairly extreme on free speech) agreed to stop doing a hand motion that looked sorta like the nazi salute because the association is so strong and consequential that it was worth the change.
So no, the Nazis don't own the human arm, but by precedent they do own that specific type of motion.
It doesn't kinda sorta look like a Nazi salute, it was a Nazi salute. It wasn't a crisp, military drilled Nazi salute like a Part member might've done in Nazi Germany, but it is unambiguously a Nazi salute. He hit his chest, then extended his hand palm face down.
It's not weird to know a lot about Nazi Germany, it's weird to say it like it's your favorite sports team.
Like if you'd said "I've seen a lot of documentaries about Nazi Germany and that doesn't really look like a Nazi salute", that comes across way differently from "I've been binge watching Nazi documentaries cause the tanks are cool! Anyway Elon should really work on his technique, that salute was so sloppy. And I should know how it's done, I'm really into Nazi Germany!".
I mean, do you have anyone in your subreddits posting links to 4chan? I would hope not. And if nobody is posting it, then it's a non-issue, so you don't have to make a rule for it
The goal is to prevent clicks to Twitter in order to hit back on their owner being a giant cunt and an opponent of free speech.
There are other media sites that provide the same service as Twitter (Bluesky) and removing one will not harm Reddit or its users.
It's not a removal of choice as much as it is a prevention of support for a company which no longer deserves it. Images of Twitter posts could still be posted, Twitter just won't get the clicks.
Framing this as a negative for Reddit users is missing the point, especially when that perceived negative is far smaller than the legitimate positive gained in not supporting a platform which is openly hostile to free speech.
Do you have a source on that? Best I could find is that he liked a post saying that Jewish communities support hatred against whites. Is that what you’re referring to?
He didn't like it. He said "You have said the actual truth" to this tweet:
Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.
I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities they supported flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.
No, that's the exact same claim. That's why CNN and other mainstream outlets characterize it as such:
The antisemitic conspiracy theory — which posits that Jews want to bring undocumented minority populations into Western countries to reduce White majorities in those nations — is often espoused by hate groups.
It’s the same conspiracy echoed in the final written words of Robert Bowers, the convicted murderer of 11 people at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh in 2018. His last social media post said that a Jewish nonprofit dedicated to aiding refugees “likes to bring invaders in that kill our people.” The mass shooting was the deadliest attack against Jews in American history.
Sorry, but just because some people who buy the great replacement theory extend that to claims of white genocide, that does not mean that by endorsing that specific tweet, Elon musk is also claiming Jews are doing white genocide.
Didn’t realize being a mod was a rule to be here, and I didn’t take an interest in Elon until this latest episode. With all the subs banning X I figured this would be a good place to discuss.
Anyway, it’s clear we disagree. I’ll just leave it at this, that I think there’s more evidence that Musk does not hate Jews than that he does.
This subreddit is for moderators to discuss coordination efforts. Any non-mods that even give us a hint that they're trolling in any way will be banned.
Sure, "if anything's a Nazi then nothing's a Nazi", but also if a Nazi salute isn't a Nazi salute then nothing is a Nazi already. There's still a line.
Also putting a \ before your * will prevent the * from turning into italics (e.g. "N\*zi", if you feel the need to censor it).
In general, when you edit, just putting at the bottom:
Edit: (explanation)
gets you out of those types of confrontations. I used it in my mod sticky at the top and no one's complaining, so hopefully that technique can work for you, too.
Xitter is no longer a primary source of information that is reliable.
Basically anything that can be linked from there that is news is already available elsewhere.
Part of moderation is a level of curation to ensure a level of quality to the submissions that end up in the new queue. The discussion happening internally with the mod team right now is basically "does twitter hold to this standard".
My sub banned them despite us not getting a lot of them anyways because the site my sub is about does post updates to their twitter accounts still and we wanted to be clear that we are only going to allow those in cases where the info has not been crossposted to their other social media accounts for some reason/that we might make an exception if something particularly important happened over there that needed to be linked to and could not be shared from elsewhere. We already mostly avoided using twitter links anyways so codifying it and making it a rule made sense considering what happened
I've been banning links to social media for more than a decade.
That said, If I were to run a subreddit where social media was relevant, I would have probably been banning Twitter for a few years now due to it becoming an anti-free speech fascist shithole.
In marginalized communities, banning links from some sources is a vital tool used to protect ourselves. For example, I run a subreddit for a section of the queer community. Considering the sheer volume of fascist, bigoted, and anti-queer content on social media platforms like Twitter, it'd be negligent of me to not institute safeguards against them.
I’ll have to discuss this with the sub itself, the 3 subs I mod are all porn subs, so we do get a lot of pics from X and we ask everyone source their pics as a rule.
I’m also a rather new mod so I’m unsure how to ban links in general, let alone from X.
To be honest, I think moderators should check in with their userbase before making significant decisions, especially in subreddits where X links are prevalent. As moderators, we’re also community leaders, and good leadership comes from listening to the people.
If this issue is on your mind, I think you should bring it to your community and ask for their input. Engaging with your userbase will make sure your decisions reflect their needs and wants while also fosters trust and collaboration within your subreddit.
I'm not astroturfing. I'm a real person and I don't like the idea of driving traffic to Nazi-owned platforms. I think many people probably agree with that sentiment.
No. Why? Did something happen I haven't heard about?
edit: From some googling and trending on twitter all I'm able to ascertain is apparently Elon Musk either did or didn't do a Roman salute (ie the Nazi one). Seems there's some debate over whether it was legit that or just some autistic awkward arm movement. Also there was some kinda AI thing called Stargate which doesn't lookalike he's involved with so I'm guessing it's the former.
Well, to answer the question: No. And it would be difficult to cause me to have a reactionary knee jerk reaction like that. I'm not a political activist. Frankly I've removed every single political sub I followed. I don't really need drama and negativity in my life. And if you want that politics and religion shall deliver it in spades. I already don't like the dude but that's not really relevant to decision making regarding a major platform. If Twitter itself became actively dangerous for users like with malware, or altered its functionality maliciously against end Reddit user usage then I'd consider doing something. For example back in 2023 Imgur changed ownership and started banning porn even not publicly posted to their front page so when models use that now the images/videos are always removed/not found for desktop users. As such we banned that as a valid host since it's now detrimental to the end user.
The porn subs I run or mod use a whitelist where only certain hosts are allowed anyways.
The only other sub I'm a mod of is a vtuber one which has nothing whatsoever to do with politics and it's needed for tweets/updates from the talent, schedules, and for linking back to fan art artists.
I don't run/moderate subs to have some kind of political or social agenda. We exist in our roles to facilitate the transfer of content. Keep it free from spam and malicious stuff, keep communities free from toxicity, harassment, and so on. In some cases, depending on the type of sub, to curate the content to ensure it matches the sub's raison d'être. We maintain the health of a sub and create policies for the ultimate benefit of the end user as it pertains specifically to that sub's content. And in the carrying out of that responsibility that's effectively where our role begins and ends.
edit: Ok so apparently this sub only wanted "yes" as an answer, as a unbiased neutral one - how a mod should actually behave - is apparently not okay here. Got it.
I think you're approaching it in a good way by focusing on what's best to facilitate discussion and a good experience on your subs. Our MMA-related subs have strict no politics rules. It's been great. As a result, the discussion of banning X links discussion is not relevant either. If people don't want to click the link they are welcome to just read the discussion and seek out their own source. I've been here a long time. This will blow over and soon there will be another "let's get 'em" target.
is apparently Elon Musk either did or didn't do a Roman salute (ie the Nazi one)
He did, multiple times, and it is exactly that as evidenced by side-by-side comparisons with Neo-Nazi groups and Hitler himself.
Seems there's some debate over whether it was legit that or just some autistic awkward arm movement.
It was not, as he did it multiple times in the same fashion and it is a very well known gesture.
I don't really need drama and negativity in my life.
Then cutting out Twitter would be beneficial.
. If Twitter itself became actively dangerous for users like with malware, or altered its functionality maliciously against end Reddit user usage then I'd consider doing something
Twitter actively pushes right wing rhetoric while censoring free speech. You can call people N* and be unbanned but if you use the term "cisgender" your posts are hidden.
That is actively harmful to free speech and should be avoided.
The porn subs I run or mod use a whitelist where only certain hosts are allowed anyways.
Then there is nothing wrong with doing the same for other subs and ensuring Twitter is not on that list.
The only other sub I'm a mod of is a vtuber one which has nothing whatsoever to do with politics and it's needed for tweets/updates from the talent, schedules, and for linking back to fan art artists.
Thankfully, Bluesky is an alternative which is open to everyone who needs a new place to advertise their art, and it isn't designed to hide your posts if you don't conform to their political views.
I don't run/moderate subs to have some kind of political or social agenda.
Being Reddit is a social platform, a social agenda is part in parcel to that.
Keep it free from spam and malicious stuff, keep communities free from toxicity, harassment, and so on
Twitter is a source of toxicity and harassment.
Ok so apparently this sub only wanted "yes" as an answer
You can give a no answer, but your reasoning isn't sound as it ignores many key factors which moderators should be aware of when moderating.
Being Reddit is a social platform, a social agenda is part in parcel to that.
No. A social agenda is what people discuss on a social platform. The platform itself should allow discussion of all viewpoints. If you're looking to remove all sources of toxicity and harassment then reddit would see a huge loss of users. All social media has toxicity. I'm assuming you stay off of YouTube then? Because there is almost no moderation in comments there.
A social agenda is what people discuss on a social platform.
...Which means that it is a part of the platform. Are you ok?
The platform itself should allow discussion of all viewpoints.
Not if those viewpoints inspire violence or hate. In this case: Nazis.
It's fine to talk about them, but if you're promoting them then you can get the fuck out.
If you're looking to remove all sources of toxicity and harassment then reddit would see a huge loss of users
Not all sources, just the ones that promote violence and hate, like Nazis.
All social media has toxicity
And that's fine but there is a line, and allowing people to cross it is not a necessary aspect of healthy discussion and free speech.
I'm assuming you stay off of YouTube then? Because there is almost no moderation in comments there.
I don't have to read the comments because the primary content of Youtube is the videos. That's not the case for Reddit which is far more discussion driven.
That being said: They still remove comments which cross the line. So even with less moderation, it's still a necessary aspect.
With as many subs that have been doing this, I'm wondering if we should try to organize a standard message around this. Get some template text put up for AutoMods and Removal Reasons, that anyone is free to reuse.
Pardon me if it's already been done and I have just missed it.
I think it's actually pretty meaningful that subreddits and users are all deciding to do this without being organized and that organizing it will actually backfire. It will give the appearance that a group of mods all got together and imposed themselves on the userbase when right now it looks like users and mods have been making this decision together. I'm not saying if you want to that you can't and not to share it around, but I suspect this being individualistic and not uniform will put up a defense when the inevitable accusations of it just being mods who hate twitter come out.
Thoughts?
Edit: Looks like user driven is a deciding factor in leaving this alone: "A Reddit spokesperson told Ars that decisions to ban or not ban X links are user-driven. Subreddit members are allowed to suggest and institute subreddit rules, they added."
Wow, that's a quite the rant that had nothing to do with anything I said at all. You okay there, bud? Why you talking about knuckleheads and arguing points I didn't make? You just pick a random person in this thread to go off on or what?
Really? If that's how you read it. I was specifically talking about tactics and optics and didn't mention shit about if it was real or not or free speech.
You are free to interpret what Elon did however you want. I showed it to my elderly mother who said, "That's a nazi salute." which is also what I saw. I don't really appreciate people insisting I didn't see what I saw and telling me I don't really value accuracy.
On the whole, if you're going to insist I pretend I didn't see things I did, I'd prefer you spoke to someone else or kept to talking about optics and tactics. Thanks.
Apparently I wasn't direct enough. Please stop trying to convince me I didn't see what I saw. I've already told you I don't appreciate it politely. I am confident in what a Nazi salute looks like and I'm confident in what I saw. Find someone else to talk to about it.
The ADL are fascist shitheads themselves, this has been known for decades
The ADL initially backed the apartheid regime, labeling Nelson Mandela’s party “totalitarian, anti-humane, anti-democratic, anti-Israel, and anti-American”.
Addressing reports:
Just so we're clear, not linking to a site isn't brigading and gatekeeping is a tactic for moderating.
Edit: I'm leaving up mods who've left downvoted/reported comments and only removing people's comments that don't moderate any subs.
Edit 2: Please observe our notices:
This subreddit is for moderators to discuss coordination efforts. Any non-mods that even give us a hint that they're trolling in any way will be banned.
One note on screenshots. They are generally harder to deal with for blind/low vision users who use screen readers. So if people want to share Twitter content, putting the text of the post next to the screenshot is vastly preferred.
At r/reddevils we come up to banning the link but allow the screenshot. This is because most of infos related to Manchester United is coming from that website. It also goes perfectly because many of our users have no account on the website and thus unable to access the link
Ohhh is it now requiring an account?
At best you can see a single tweet. If you are sharing a thread X is literally unusable without an account. Context is literally impossible to get without an account. And even then posts can easily be suppressed to the point you need an account to see it.
Important to note here that you can still see the full context of the thread using third-party clients like https://nitter.poast.org or https://xcancel.com/ (these are the only ones I'm aware of).
Just substitute
https://twitter.com/,https://x.com/or whatever the domain happens to be withhttps://nitter.poast.orgorhttps://xcancel.com/.Most of the time, yes. Musk wants everyone to have an account, it looks good for optics to have lots of users on your platform.
Important to note here that you can still see the full context of the thread using third-party clients like https://nitter.poast.org or https://xcancel.com/ (these are the only ones I'm aware of).
Just substitute
https://twitter.com/,https://x.com/or whatever the domain happens to be withhttps://nitter.poast.orgorhttps://xcancel.com/.Yep
Most subs I've seen have gone this way. The content on twitter may still be validly useful. But it's inaccessible to those without an account, or on mobile, etc etc. By banning links we're actually making Twitter MORE accessible. ::wink wink::
A good alternative as long as it doesn't incentivise users.
I don't think we have had any links to twitter or FB in my main sub, location based. It is in Germany and we would care about alt-right stuff but it hasn't been a problem to date. If it becomes one, and people object then I'll gladly add a filter to automod.
The subreddits I’m moding aren’t because we rarely get Twitter posts. I do have a question for those who are banning it and requiring screenshots instead; how do you know those are legit screenshots and not one of those fake Tweet sites? I’ve seen a lot of false information spread in the past via screenshots of fake posts. Instagram link, but here’s proof from a month ago that I personally saw at least a half dozen times. Completely faked. https://www.instagram.com/p/DDu2mlURabF/
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Is there an easy way to do this with reddit mod tools? Or is there any scripting involved?
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/15484542007316-Content-Controls
Go to Mod tools on desktop > Posts and Comments > Toggle - Require or ban links from specific domains > Select Block Domains > Enter the websites
Ooh, and here I've been using automod for everything. Thanks for this info!
Edit: it's fine if you disagree with me, but at least comment why before you downvote me. I'm working with the knowledge I have at the time.
All the subs I have seen ban links to X/Twitter don't really use it heavily in the first place.
I imagine that such a ban would be hard for communities that are on both this platform and the other.
For example, this would hurt subs that post other's artwork and require attribution, which is inevitably going to require links to X to properly attribute source/artists.
Some communities are linked much more closely with social media and websites outside of reddit, and you probably won't be able to convince them to ban them, regardless of the sins the platform's leaders have committed.
And to be frank, this ban isn't going to do anything except garner a bit of attention. So for communities that actually rely on X, IMHO it's a bad trade to punish the users for the tiny effect the ban would actually have.
But yeah for communities that don't really use X, requiring screenshots instead of links is a good solution because you won't need an account to view the tweet; although it would require turning on images in comments to replace links there.
Not downvoting - this adds meaningfully to the conversation.
If you do have a mind to ban Xhitter and this is what's holding you back, I'd suggest pushing your community toward alternatives like Bluesky and Mastadon. The former is basically an old-Twitter clone at this point, and the verified checkmark on Xhitter stopped meaning anything when ownership changed.
Thoughts?
The subs I personally moderate don't use X, and there hasn't been an X or Twitter links in the past year, so there's not any migration to be had on my end. My sub is a slowly dying image posting sub.
But for my broader point above, I agree with you, I also highly recommend Mastodon and Bluesky. It's just that for communities that has found a home on Twitter, they aren't going to be all that willing to move, even if one of their community leaders tries to push for it.
I suppose I'm being a little too cynical on the value of this ban VS the cost.
We should be realistic on its value, rather than positive or cynical.
My general impression from Reddit’s overarching community is people are very vocal about the issues they have with Elon Musk and X. But that already has had a negligible effect, which makes this situation oddly similar to Reddit Blackout.
I’ve read reactions to the bans and in some, like rHololive, the creators that the community is formed around entirely use X for announcements. Banning X would only hurt the community, as all other popular platforms are subpar in reach and/or functionality. And it’s not like a massive corporation will change their operations from community leaders’ actions.
Which is exactly what the users and moderators jumping on this bandwagon are looking for.
r/PCgaming (3.8m subs) made the news, https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/the-biggest-pc-gaming-subreddit-has-blacklisted-x-for-being-hateful-and-toxic-citing-elon-musks-distasteful-behavior/
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Buddy, you're all over the place.
You admit Elon's salute might be a white supremacist salute, but want to claim it is not a Nazi salute because Elon's technique sucks?
Nazi is just shorthand for white nationalist and they appropriated the roman/bellamy/swastika salute well enough that no reasonable person will try to use them, much less in public from behind the American presidential seal.
You're responding to someone that wants to make a "rise of the Nazi party simulator". The fact they want to glorify them in any medium should be enough red flags for anyone.
I hate people think being even a "little Nazi, just not full Nazi" is okay.
Hahahahaha 😂
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I hope you're doing this as a bit, peace!
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Why does it matter that "white nationalists" and "Nazis" are not exactly the same thing?
I don't think anyone believes Elon Musk actually aspires to join the 20th century German Nazi Party, so the fact that he's doing it differently or "incorrectly" isn't really that important, it's the intent. If he's intending to make a nazi salute, it doesn't really matter of if it is the same or different from the original. And it's hard to imaging he didn't intend to when it's one of the most universally recognized symbols of Nazism right next to the swastika and Hitler's mustache.
And the Bellamy salute is a great example of why one wouldn't do that. An entire country (the USA even, which is fairly extreme on free speech) agreed to stop doing a hand motion that looked sorta like the nazi salute because the association is so strong and consequential that it was worth the change.
So no, the Nazis don't own the human arm, but by precedent they do own that specific type of motion.
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It doesn't kinda sorta look like a Nazi salute, it was a Nazi salute. It wasn't a crisp, military drilled Nazi salute like a Part member might've done in Nazi Germany, but it is unambiguously a Nazi salute. He hit his chest, then extended his hand palm face down.
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Here you go: https://bsky.app/profile/ruthbenghiat.bsky.social/post/3lg7eiifhyc2a
Dude, you need to let this go and stop assuming your arguing with idiots because you watched a couple of documentaries. Grow up.
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uh huh, and will you post a video of you making the same "salute" then?
You should, and post it everywhere so people know what a heartfelt salute looks like?
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It's not weird to know a lot about Nazi Germany, it's weird to say it like it's your favorite sports team.
Like if you'd said "I've seen a lot of documentaries about Nazi Germany and that doesn't really look like a Nazi salute", that comes across way differently from "I've been binge watching Nazi documentaries cause the tanks are cool! Anyway Elon should really work on his technique, that salute was so sloppy. And I should know how it's done, I'm really into Nazi Germany!".
Less clicks to Twitter means less ad money means less power.
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I gave you an alternate and more likely explanation and instead of presenting a counterpoint you launch a personal attack?
Thank you for making your bias obvious.
...um. If we're banning links to nazi platforms, shouldn't the same be done for 4chan links and images? Or is that going too far?
I draw the distinction between platforms sometimes used by Nazis, often with repercussions, and platforms owned by Nazis.
A good distinguishment, thank you.
I mean, do you have anyone in your subreddits posting links to 4chan? I would hope not. And if nobody is posting it, then it's a non-issue, so you don't have to make a rule for it
“What did I tell you about posting Nazi propaganda?”
“Uhhh… Nothing?”
“Yeah, because I didn’t think you needed to be told to not be a Nazi! Get out of here!”
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The goal is to prevent clicks to Twitter in order to hit back on their owner being a giant cunt and an opponent of free speech.
There are other media sites that provide the same service as Twitter (Bluesky) and removing one will not harm Reddit or its users.
It's not a removal of choice as much as it is a prevention of support for a company which no longer deserves it. Images of Twitter posts could still be posted, Twitter just won't get the clicks.
Framing this as a negative for Reddit users is missing the point, especially when that perceived negative is far smaller than the legitimate positive gained in not supporting a platform which is openly hostile to free speech.
Elon recently claimed Jews are doing white genocide. In what world is labelling him a Nazi greatly expanding the definition?
Do you have a source on that? Best I could find is that he liked a post saying that Jewish communities support hatred against whites. Is that what you’re referring to?
He didn't like it. He said "You have said the actual truth" to this tweet:
https://x.com/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-truth/index.html
Well that certainly makes me uncomfortable, as someone who is White and a Jew, but it’s a far cry from claiming “Jews are doing white genocide.”
No, that's the exact same claim. That's why CNN and other mainstream outlets characterize it as such:
Sorry, but just because some people who buy the great replacement theory extend that to claims of white genocide, that does not mean that by endorsing that specific tweet, Elon musk is also claiming Jews are doing white genocide.
The two theories are one and the same, as are the people who believe them.
Buddy, why are you here? You aren't a mod, you just wander around looking to defend Elon.
Didn’t realize being a mod was a rule to be here, and I didn’t take an interest in Elon until this latest episode. With all the subs banning X I figured this would be a good place to discuss.
Anyway, it’s clear we disagree. I’ll just leave it at this, that I think there’s more evidence that Musk does not hate Jews than that he does.
Sure, "if anything's a Nazi then nothing's a Nazi", but also if a Nazi salute isn't a Nazi salute then nothing is a Nazi already. There's still a line.
Also putting a \ before your * will prevent the * from turning into italics (e.g. "N\*zi", if you feel the need to censor it).
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In general, when you edit, just putting at the bottom:
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gets you out of those types of confrontations. I used it in my mod sticky at the top and no one's complaining, so hopefully that technique can work for you, too.
Fully agreed on this.
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Xitter is no longer a primary source of information that is reliable.
Basically anything that can be linked from there that is news is already available elsewhere.
Part of moderation is a level of curation to ensure a level of quality to the submissions that end up in the new queue. The discussion happening internally with the mod team right now is basically "does twitter hold to this standard".
No. I believe in letting users decide what platforms they use. I don't pretend to make decisions for 50k+ people, I'm just a moderator.
Over on r/jacketsforbattle we have been discussing banning all links to Twitter. We may even go a step further and ban links to Meta websites as well.
Lol. It's quite stupid to imply that Elon Musk only crossed a red line now, and not months or years ago.
My sub banned them despite us not getting a lot of them anyways because the site my sub is about does post updates to their twitter accounts still and we wanted to be clear that we are only going to allow those in cases where the info has not been crossposted to their other social media accounts for some reason/that we might make an exception if something particularly important happened over there that needed to be linked to and could not be shared from elsewhere. We already mostly avoided using twitter links anyways so codifying it and making it a rule made sense considering what happened
I've been banning links to social media for more than a decade.
That said, If I were to run a subreddit where social media was relevant, I would have probably been banning Twitter for a few years now due to it becoming an anti-free speech fascist shithole.
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In marginalized communities, banning links from some sources is a vital tool used to protect ourselves. For example, I run a subreddit for a section of the queer community. Considering the sheer volume of fascist, bigoted, and anti-queer content on social media platforms like Twitter, it'd be negligent of me to not institute safeguards against them.
Hell yes
I’ll have to discuss this with the sub itself, the 3 subs I mod are all porn subs, so we do get a lot of pics from X and we ask everyone source their pics as a rule.
I’m also a rather new mod so I’m unsure how to ban links in general, let alone from X.
I have a subreddit that uses X links heavily. Not sure how to feel about it.
/r/Hatsune uses X links because a lot of artists post on X, so it is linked as a source.
To be honest, I think moderators should check in with their userbase before making significant decisions, especially in subreddits where X links are prevalent. As moderators, we’re also community leaders, and good leadership comes from listening to the people.
If this issue is on your mind, I think you should bring it to your community and ask for their input. Engaging with your userbase will make sure your decisions reflect their needs and wants while also fosters trust and collaboration within your subreddit.
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I'm not astroturfing. I'm a real person and I don't like the idea of driving traffic to Nazi-owned platforms. I think many people probably agree with that sentiment.
No. Why? Did something happen I haven't heard about?
edit: From some googling and trending on twitter all I'm able to ascertain is apparently Elon Musk either did or didn't do a Roman salute (ie the Nazi one). Seems there's some debate over whether it was legit that or just some autistic awkward arm movement. Also there was some kinda AI thing called Stargate which doesn't lookalike he's involved with so I'm guessing it's the former.
Well, to answer the question: No. And it would be difficult to cause me to have a reactionary knee jerk reaction like that. I'm not a political activist. Frankly I've removed every single political sub I followed. I don't really need drama and negativity in my life. And if you want that politics and religion shall deliver it in spades. I already don't like the dude but that's not really relevant to decision making regarding a major platform. If Twitter itself became actively dangerous for users like with malware, or altered its functionality maliciously against end Reddit user usage then I'd consider doing something. For example back in 2023 Imgur changed ownership and started banning porn even not publicly posted to their front page so when models use that now the images/videos are always removed/not found for desktop users. As such we banned that as a valid host since it's now detrimental to the end user.
The porn subs I run or mod use a whitelist where only certain hosts are allowed anyways.
The only other sub I'm a mod of is a vtuber one which has nothing whatsoever to do with politics and it's needed for tweets/updates from the talent, schedules, and for linking back to fan art artists.
I don't run/moderate subs to have some kind of political or social agenda. We exist in our roles to facilitate the transfer of content. Keep it free from spam and malicious stuff, keep communities free from toxicity, harassment, and so on. In some cases, depending on the type of sub, to curate the content to ensure it matches the sub's raison d'être. We maintain the health of a sub and create policies for the ultimate benefit of the end user as it pertains specifically to that sub's content. And in the carrying out of that responsibility that's effectively where our role begins and ends.
edit: Ok so apparently this sub only wanted "yes" as an answer, as a unbiased neutral one - how a mod should actually behave - is apparently not okay here. Got it.
I think you're approaching it in a good way by focusing on what's best to facilitate discussion and a good experience on your subs. Our MMA-related subs have strict no politics rules. It's been great. As a result, the discussion of banning X links discussion is not relevant either. If people don't want to click the link they are welcome to just read the discussion and seek out their own source. I've been here a long time. This will blow over and soon there will be another "let's get 'em" target.
He did, multiple times, and it is exactly that as evidenced by side-by-side comparisons with Neo-Nazi groups and Hitler himself.
It was not, as he did it multiple times in the same fashion and it is a very well known gesture.
Then cutting out Twitter would be beneficial.
Twitter actively pushes right wing rhetoric while censoring free speech. You can call people N* and be unbanned but if you use the term "cisgender" your posts are hidden.
That is actively harmful to free speech and should be avoided.
Then there is nothing wrong with doing the same for other subs and ensuring Twitter is not on that list.
Thankfully, Bluesky is an alternative which is open to everyone who needs a new place to advertise their art, and it isn't designed to hide your posts if you don't conform to their political views.
Being Reddit is a social platform, a social agenda is part in parcel to that.
Twitter is a source of toxicity and harassment.
You can give a no answer, but your reasoning isn't sound as it ignores many key factors which moderators should be aware of when moderating.
No. A social agenda is what people discuss on a social platform. The platform itself should allow discussion of all viewpoints. If you're looking to remove all sources of toxicity and harassment then reddit would see a huge loss of users. All social media has toxicity. I'm assuming you stay off of YouTube then? Because there is almost no moderation in comments there.
...Which means that it is a part of the platform. Are you ok?
Not if those viewpoints inspire violence or hate. In this case: Nazis.
It's fine to talk about them, but if you're promoting them then you can get the fuck out.
Not all sources, just the ones that promote violence and hate, like Nazis.
And that's fine but there is a line, and allowing people to cross it is not a necessary aspect of healthy discussion and free speech.
I don't have to read the comments because the primary content of Youtube is the videos. That's not the case for Reddit which is far more discussion driven.
That being said: They still remove comments which cross the line. So even with less moderation, it's still a necessary aspect.
We'll just agree to disagree then. You're very invested in this and I feel like I'm seeing yet another reddit mod movement.
Yes I'm invested in not promoting Nazis. I'm sorry you find issue with that. Have a good day.
With as many subs that have been doing this, I'm wondering if we should try to organize a standard message around this. Get some template text put up for AutoMods and Removal Reasons, that anyone is free to reuse.
Pardon me if it's already been done and I have just missed it.
I think it's actually pretty meaningful that subreddits and users are all deciding to do this without being organized and that organizing it will actually backfire. It will give the appearance that a group of mods all got together and imposed themselves on the userbase when right now it looks like users and mods have been making this decision together. I'm not saying if you want to that you can't and not to share it around, but I suspect this being individualistic and not uniform will put up a defense when the inevitable accusations of it just being mods who hate twitter come out.
Thoughts?
Edit: Looks like user driven is a deciding factor in leaving this alone: "A Reddit spokesperson told Ars that decisions to ban or not ban X links are user-driven. Subreddit members are allowed to suggest and institute subreddit rules, they added."
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/01/reddit-wont-interfere-with-users-revolting-against-x-with-subreddit-bans/
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Wow, that's a quite the rant that had nothing to do with anything I said at all. You okay there, bud? Why you talking about knuckleheads and arguing points I didn't make? You just pick a random person in this thread to go off on or what?
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Really? If that's how you read it. I was specifically talking about tactics and optics and didn't mention shit about if it was real or not or free speech.
You are free to interpret what Elon did however you want. I showed it to my elderly mother who said, "That's a nazi salute." which is also what I saw. I don't really appreciate people insisting I didn't see what I saw and telling me I don't really value accuracy.
On the whole, if you're going to insist I pretend I didn't see things I did, I'd prefer you spoke to someone else or kept to talking about optics and tactics. Thanks.
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Apparently I wasn't direct enough. Please stop trying to convince me I didn't see what I saw. I've already told you I don't appreciate it politely. I am confident in what a Nazi salute looks like and I'm confident in what I saw. Find someone else to talk to about it.
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Do you often have trouble when people tell you they don't want to talk to you about a subject respecting them?
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The ADL are fascist shitheads themselves, this has been known for decades
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/08/anti-defamation-league-surveillance
Some people don’t wish to think critically for themselves.
Debunk? lolno. ADL clowned themselves with that statement.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-inauguration-president-2025/card/musk-s-gesture-wasn-t-a-fascist-salute-says-head-of-adl-iC97rddU5arloAcUGrVv