There are people in that thread trying to calmly explain why OP should have said “women”, but the dumber folks can’t seem to wrap their heads around it.
There's like a dozen "historical photo" subreddits where the majority of posts are just vintage erotica with titles like "look how hot women were before tattoos and feminism!". It's really odd.
I wish that were still the predominant theme. Now it’s been taken over by guys posting old, under-18 shots of celebrities who are now “hot” women. They do it without comment on OldSchoolCool so they can deny it when you point out it’s constantly happening to facilitate/celebrate gooning to young teens.
It's also where I see the highest concentration of pathological liars, and for reddit, that's saying something, but if you post an old photo of civil rights activists on that sub then inevitably, suddenly it's as if everyone there marched in Birmingham themselves
It also has a pretty high concentration of weirdos that get elitist because they masturbate to women like 80s supermodels, so this language being there doesn't surprise me, there's a lot of photos of conventionally attractive women there with 'they don't make em like they used to' locker room talk
This is also why I just genuinely like 'folks' and always think about Hannah Gadsby talking about how much she liked 'y'all' for inclusive language, if someone is really trying to be both gender-neutral and use less syllables in a conversation then there are plenty of generalized terms that work, honestly I can't even think of many conversations where I'd be talking about 'guys and chicks'
You were asking for one-syllable words that simplified all that, at that point of specificity you basically no longer use gender-segregated words lol
Also, I wouldn't exactly put dudes and chicks together on that binary, the word chick is historically a lot more sexist than dude, it's not inherently shouting 'get back in the kitchen' or anything but guys calling women chicks is pretty infantilizing and usually it's dated language guys used to use more with each other to discuss sexual conquest, like talking about 'hot chicks' or 'picking up chicks'
It's always, like, giving 'locker room talk' for me
(I wrote something like this and deleted once I saw this commenter is cool with changing his word-choices. This is worthy of celebration, based on what we usually see….)
I do get the rhythm issue - genuinely. It’s just that those words really do feel outmoded and dismissive. But yeah, I do kind of wish there were a snappier word/words. Alas.
I mean, it's been iffy at best for decades, people are always trying to give it a PR makeover but generally speaking if you call someone a chick it's probably going to come off pretty cringe
I mean, it's a little less contextual - historically the term was never really invoked when talking to women, 'chick' was more a private term men would use with each other when talking about women, there isn't really a comparative term women use for men and 'dude' is not really close, it's mostly infantilizing so I would guess the closest comparison would be more like a woman that calls grown men 'baby boy' or 'sweetie pie' or 'honey child', but specifically in a sexual manner and not as, like, an affectionate nickname for grandson, which is to say it's pretty much always a little cringe
Calling a woman 'chick' is less like calling them 'gal', more like calling them 'baby' or 'toots' or 'girlie'
Language evolves and changes over time though, so historical aspects may not matter as much in this case. “Chicks”, “Chick”, “Chica” and the like, are often used as terms of endearment (in my experience at least).
The Dixie Chicks sounds FAR less demeaning (if at all, really), than say, The Dixie Females.
We cannot remove every other option we have when it comes to acronymic language, while fighting for the reduction of the word, “Female” as a noun.
Battles need to be picked and chosen wisely, if we are to be taken seriously, imo.
FYI, in some areas within certain age groups “dude” or “dudes” is still regularly considered to include everyone, like it’s not gendered in those groups. Unless someone specifically uses it to clearly reference someone male.
On occasion, I will still say “Dude!” as an exclamation to my mom or using random slang as way to address her (or anyone I’m close enough with they know my casual usage of it is usually meant as neutral).
But I don’t tend to go around using it with people I’m not close with. As a server I routinely used “y’all” as a way to address everyone in a neutral way. But I also just try to use non-gendered language as much as I can and try to use terms like “they/them” and “people” instead. I have never had anyone have an issue with the word “people” disrupting the rhythm of a conversation. So maybe that’s an alternative to consider that includes all human beings.
isn't that the subreddit where people post old photos of their moms for people to simp over? cant say i expected anything less
There are people in that thread trying to calmly explain why OP should have said “women”, but the dumber folks can’t seem to wrap their heads around it.
Worse, most of them get it but won’t use the proper language for one dumbass invalid
reasonexcuse or another.There's like a dozen "historical photo" subreddits where the majority of posts are just vintage erotica with titles like "look how hot women were before tattoos and feminism!". It's really odd.
I'd just counter with some Suicide Girls. Still hot, but feminist and colorful and tatted as a bonus!
I wish that were still the predominant theme. Now it’s been taken over by guys posting old, under-18 shots of celebrities who are now “hot” women. They do it without comment on OldSchoolCool so they can deny it when you point out it’s constantly happening to facilitate/celebrate gooning to young teens.
It's also where I see the highest concentration of pathological liars, and for reddit, that's saying something, but if you post an old photo of civil rights activists on that sub then inevitably, suddenly it's as if everyone there marched in Birmingham themselves
It also has a pretty high concentration of weirdos that get elitist because they masturbate to women like 80s supermodels, so this language being there doesn't surprise me, there's a lot of photos of conventionally attractive women there with 'they don't make em like they used to' locker room talk
Yes I've been referring to it as oldschoolgoon for at least a year.
Yeah, that sub has way too much “old school misogyny” and “old school racism” for my tastes.
Its how i found this sub
Banger job on the censoring
“We’re weirdos, but we’ll get mad if you point that out.”
I made a similar comment and had so many chuds in my replies.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
Wait, is "chick" bad?
Edit: I understand. Thanks! I'm removing it from my vocabulary.
Yeah, a chick is a baby chicken
I only use it if I want to use a one syllable word and didn't want to say "girls"
I guess "gal" could work
You could say women
... I want to use a one syllable word sometimes. If I say "guys and women" or "dudes and women" it ruins the flow of conversation
If you say, “people” you use even fewer syllables and don’t dehumanize anyone
This is also why I just genuinely like 'folks' and always think about Hannah Gadsby talking about how much she liked 'y'all' for inclusive language, if someone is really trying to be both gender-neutral and use less syllables in a conversation then there are plenty of generalized terms that work, honestly I can't even think of many conversations where I'd be talking about 'guys and chicks'
Yep, if I say “guys” I mean everyone present. But I’m just as likely to say folks, people, team, y’all…
Folks is awful to me. "Guys and gals" and "dudes and chicks" are the specific things I'm meaning.
You were asking for one-syllable words that simplified all that, at that point of specificity you basically no longer use gender-segregated words lol
Also, I wouldn't exactly put dudes and chicks together on that binary, the word chick is historically a lot more sexist than dude, it's not inherently shouting 'get back in the kitchen' or anything but guys calling women chicks is pretty infantilizing and usually it's dated language guys used to use more with each other to discuss sexual conquest, like talking about 'hot chicks' or 'picking up chicks'
It's always, like, giving 'locker room talk' for me
Ok, that makes complete sense. Thank you. I'll remove that from my vocabulary.
My guy, just say "dudes and dudettes" 😂
Id rather cut my tongue off than say "dudette"
Dehumanize? I didn't realize some of you consider that dehumanizing.
See, there’s a special word for female humans - women, but animals and even things in some languages can be “females”
I'm not saying "female" I'm just saying there contexts where saying "woman" is essentially like saying "females"
No
What situation do you find yourself in where you have to use a one syllable word?
lol, don’t you see? Our special boy here has a PREFERENCE
(I wrote something like this and deleted once I saw this commenter is cool with changing his word-choices. This is worthy of celebration, based on what we usually see….)
I don't understand why you're doing this "special boy" stuff. Like that's super rude. I've been nothing but nice.
In things that I'm writing that I'm keeping control of the flow of conversation. It needs to sound a specific way sometimes
I do get the rhythm issue - genuinely. It’s just that those words really do feel outmoded and dismissive. But yeah, I do kind of wish there were a snappier word/words. Alas.
You could use Gals
I use gals and pals. Or pals and palettes. Or gals and galettes.
I mean, it's been iffy at best for decades, people are always trying to give it a PR makeover but generally speaking if you call someone a chick it's probably going to come off pretty cringe
I only use it in the context of if I called a man a dude. It's contextual.
Same here, this one doesn’t bother me at all in most situations, but it’s definitely contextual.
I mean, it's a little less contextual - historically the term was never really invoked when talking to women, 'chick' was more a private term men would use with each other when talking about women, there isn't really a comparative term women use for men and 'dude' is not really close, it's mostly infantilizing so I would guess the closest comparison would be more like a woman that calls grown men 'baby boy' or 'sweetie pie' or 'honey child', but specifically in a sexual manner and not as, like, an affectionate nickname for grandson, which is to say it's pretty much always a little cringe
Calling a woman 'chick' is less like calling them 'gal', more like calling them 'baby' or 'toots' or 'girlie'
Language evolves and changes over time though, so historical aspects may not matter as much in this case. “Chicks”, “Chick”, “Chica” and the like, are often used as terms of endearment (in my experience at least).
The Dixie Chicks sounds FAR less demeaning (if at all, really), than say, The Dixie Females.
We cannot remove every other option we have when it comes to acronymic language, while fighting for the reduction of the word, “Female” as a noun.
Battles need to be picked and chosen wisely, if we are to be taken seriously, imo.
FYI, in some areas within certain age groups “dude” or “dudes” is still regularly considered to include everyone, like it’s not gendered in those groups. Unless someone specifically uses it to clearly reference someone male.
On occasion, I will still say “Dude!” as an exclamation to my mom or using random slang as way to address her (or anyone I’m close enough with they know my casual usage of it is usually meant as neutral).
But I don’t tend to go around using it with people I’m not close with. As a server I routinely used “y’all” as a way to address everyone in a neutral way. But I also just try to use non-gendered language as much as I can and try to use terms like “they/them” and “people” instead. I have never had anyone have an issue with the word “people” disrupting the rhythm of a conversation. So maybe that’s an alternative to consider that includes all human beings.