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Literally 1984
This comment has never been more appropriate.
beat me to it
Orwellworld.
Xi wants Australia. And all Africa. And he actually has Panama right now. And something else from South America
US wants the whole world *actually
I am not sure about that… they don’t want Canada - only Alberta. Panama - only canal. Why they need Britain??
They need the whole of Canada!? Were you sleeping all the time?
Don't forget Greenland!
To be fair, all major powers want to expand their influence, whether that's done through direct subjugation through colonization or soft colonization through allowing their corporations to exploit these countries or building military bases. The US, China, the UK, France & Russia are all guilty of this shit. I hate Trump more then anyone, but let's not act like China isn't drowning sub-Saharan Africa in debt while owning a large majority of their rare earth metals. France & Russia are currently battling for influence in western Africa. I don't have any current examples of Britain doing this at the moment (if I'm missing anything with concrete evidence lemme know) but I always have a feeling that those fuckers are up to something...
Nah, they just don't want Xi up their bum hole all the time.
More like US at China's bum hole.
Not when one is a genocide denying, hostile communist power that actually resembles more Nazi Germany than anything else
Oh buddy, who defend the genociders at UN every fucking day and who gives the unconditional support to massacre Palestinians? Guess what?! It's not China Sherlock!
Vote against food as basic human right
Human rights are an inferior system to property rights.
Classic tu quoque
Israel approves your message. 🇺🇸🕎✡️🙋♂️
Hell naw, we actually hate Israel because they violate so many property rights lmao. Sometimes, we Libertarians are even called antisemitic because of this, despite having nothing against the Jewish faith (or any religion for that matter)
Of all the strawmen, that was possibly the worst of them
Nah that’s for Ocea-I mean America
Putin in Venezuela ofc
China has nothing to do with the Panama Canal, thats a braindead take.
China already own 2 ports in Panama Canal
So?
The Ports are not part of the Canal, they are privatized and the Panama Canal Administration is a public entity with a board appointed by the Panamanian Government.
Are the other companies that own the other ports also trying to take over the canal as well?
Also, by “China” you mean Hutchinson Ports, a conglomerate that owns many ports all over the world, what is the precedent for this company to do anything other than owning and operating ports worldwide?
Oceania, Eurasia, East Asia
We have always been at war with East Asia!
Not true, it was definitely Eurasia last week.
You're not safe, that's Trump's
My exact thought, lol like Australia and New Zealand didn't follow the US in all their wars and pro war propaganda every single time.
Why choose? The AfD wants to make Germany the lapdog of Putin, Trump AND Xi.
Jew/Jew/Jew
Scratch out putin, pls. Russia is already the extra chinese province with extra benefit that china doesn't pay to maintain it
Yep... Russia is what the UK used to be for the USA...
China hates Trump, for sure they’ll give a shit. The opportunity for Europe to jump into it and fck Putin around. Who’s also disliked by China. Easy.
It's funny that putin and trump think that russia with 140mln people and a declining population can dominate EU with 450mln people and faaaar greater economy.
Why is there a dividing line between Trump and Putin?
Putin was kind enough to give Trumpistan an autonomous status.
Semi-autonomous. He gave Trump a semi.
trump - Oceania. Putin - Eurasia. Xi - Eastasia.
NZ doesn’t want to be under Trump in Oceania, that’s why we’re not there.
Why 500M Europeans fear 150M Russian again ?
Resources and military spending
Resources and military spending
er.... what map projection is this supposed to be?
Looks like the board game Risk.
Correct. And incorrect. The game is Risiko, which is the Italian version of the original game. After time, Risiko received very different versions of the game
Tordesillas 2
11?
Man I hope Australia repairs relations with China our economy fared far better when we were solid trading partners.
2084
If you think Australia is safe from Winnie the Pooh, I have a bridge to sell you.
We had Dan Andrews in Victoria
Nz is super duper safe from even Australia when we get our own ZEALANDIA continent! You’ll all be applying to come in 😁
Bro xi aint got no shit on us putin is our friend and us is just tariffing everyone
Xi has Australia and nz
Is that Greater Ukraine?
Whoa there are 11 tryrants in that one lane😳 are they all from China??
China is a Tyrant ? Damm I think you need some base Education Bro
Xi is getting cheated out of a good deal!
Australian here. China wants us so bad
From a purely risk player perspective this would put Trump in the best position, he'd be collecting the 5 troops from north America and the 2 from south America, all the other continents are split up and Xi and Putin have to fight each other to get full control of Asia or Africa. Trump also has 18 territories giving him 3 extra troops while Xi and Putin both have 11 territories so they would only get the base 3.
The Kakapo empire does not need your puny maps, All they need is what they like, which is being nocturnal, eating plants, climbing trees with strong legs, "parachuting" down, waddling around, and "booming" loudly to attract mates in unique ground "lek" systems!
Why do so many people think that China would invade others, even though China has not fought a war in fifty years
It's called American anti China narrative.
How are the Uyghurs doing?
Better than Gazans.
The camps are not in Gaza, but in China, and especially for Uyghurs, but you probably believe that China is perfect
No country is perfect. But I believe what I see rather than some useless satellite picture of some buildings and a few Photoshopped images called "rehabilitation camps".
No shit Sherlock...dead people don't need camps I believe.
There's no point in arguing with a Chinese apologist who believes Uyghurs aren't persecuted.
And by the way, in Gaza, it's also Photoshop, a cool excuse, one that can always be used, right?
Fuckin go there and see for yourself. Brainless
Until they come up with photos of uyghurs Starving To death being killed by the equivalent of Israeli Army, Or widespread Videos of the equivalent of Israeli citizens saying they are beasts or subhuman, I will err on the side of that we are being educated by propaganda
Don't be ridiculous.
China is currently involved in border conflicts with most of its neighbours where it moves troops to steal land, tells the smaller country that they better not react or we will rain hellfire on you; rinse and repeat.
On top of that, China is actively preparing to invade Taiwan and Japan using varies self serving narratives about historical rights as a justification.
This is in addition to a decades long policy of massively subsidizing industrial production capacity which allows them to drive competitors around the globe out of business while leaving China with a monopoly.
China has brought the hostility on itself.
If it had chosen an alternate path, such as letting Taiwan go, China would on track to completely replacing the US as the primary superpower and the US would have no choice but to sputter. However, Chinese leadership lack that kind of vision.
Your perception stems from watching too much Indian news. Currently, India is the only country with which China has a land dispute. The remaining disputes are almost all in the South China Sea, over some uninhabited islands. You probably also know that Taiwan is called the Republic of China, and it was the losing side in the civil war. However, I agree with you on this point. As a Chinese person, I don't want Taiwan to be taken back. I don't want over 20 million people to be part of our privileged class while simultaneously criticizing us. China gives Taiwan too much of a trade surplus; China would rather its own farmers' fruit rot than not import fruit from Taiwan. Taiwanese people don't see this as a concession from China. In my view, China's policy towards Taiwan is like selling out the country. As China becomes stronger, I think China no longer needs Taiwan. In the next twenty years, China will have more and more aircraft carriers, and the so-called island chain will naturally be broken.
The self delusions that China advocates cling to are not relevant. What matters is what the victims of Chinese imperialism think because that, in turn, affects how they will treat China.
And Bhutan, Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan all feel they are being invaded by China. The Philippines won its case in UN court which China promptly ignored which underscores that what China is doing is illegal and a violation of the sovereignty of its neighbours.
Remember you are the one who asked "Why do so many people think that China would invade others". And the answer is "because China is doing it today as far as most of China's neighbours are concerned".
At that does not even get into the insane obsession with Taiwan. But I am glad to hear you seem to understand that China would be better off letting Taiwan go even if I think your reasons are not that compelling. The "island chain" is strategically irrelevant today since long range missiles mean Chinese ships can be attacked easily whether they have to navigate through the chain or they head out to open sea immediately.
Other countries also claim sovereignty over these islands. Now that China is powerful, you feel that China is bullying other countries. If Vietnam and the Philippines were powerful, you could also say that Vietnam and the Philippines are bullying China. There is no dispute between China and Bhutan. Bhutan's problems stem from India's hegemony over Bhutan, ostensibly to protect Bhutan, but in reality treating Bhutan as a state. As for Taiwan, I've said I utterly despise Taiwan. Taiwan can arbitrarily impose tariffs on China and restrict imports from China in various ways. The Chinese market is indeed unconditionally open to Taiwan. I believe the Chinese government is selling out the country. China doesn't need to follow Russia's example regarding Ukraine for the sake of face.
You seem to miss the point. The territories in question belong to other countries today. No one cares what self serving BS China invents to justify its imperialism it is still imperialism and it is invading its neighbours. The result is no one trusts China.
And Bhutan is very much opposed to China's invasion but has limited ability to fight militarily. You need to stop treating CCP propaganda as factual.
BTW, Russia is destroying itself in its invasion of Ukraine. So it would be very dumb for China to do the same. But even the attempt would result in so much death that it is outrage that Chinese leadership even think they are entitled to try.
I want to reiterate that these disputes involve uninhabited islands, and ownership has not been determined. We have not claimed that the islands inhabited by the Philippines belong to China. China and Bhutan have no territorial disputes. The only country with which China has a land territorial dispute is India.
Stop making excuses for imperialism.
China is stealing territory from other countries.
Under international law you can't build a island in another country's EEZ then use that island to deny them access to their sovereign rights in the EEZ which China is doing today.
Do you really believe this? The only thing that has been agreed is a framework for negotiation and China keeps violating the term
This is the last time I'll say it: China and Bhutan have no dispute. Bhutan's problem is that it cannot determine its own sovereignty; Bhutan is effectively controlled by India.
Why do China shills constantly deny the agency of smaller countries. Bhutan is not standing up for its own rights - it must be a puppet of India!!!!
But you are wrong. Bhutan believes it has been invaded by China and forced to cede lands that rightfully belong to it under international law. China continues to take more lands and demanding more concessions and Bhutan does not have a lot of choices. The fact that you are completely unable to understand these disputes from the perspective of other countries explains why you are under the delusion that China does not invade other countries despite the mountain of evidence.
China demarcated its territorial borders with all countries in the last century. China has no territorial disputes with Russia, Mongolia, its western borders, or its southern borders. On land, only India and China have territorial disputes. You can Google it if you don't believe me.
Many of China's claims are actually based on treaties From the second World War which defined the current international order today.
Take Philippines as an example. In the process of gaining independence philippine Was specifically marked a cartographically between a certain latitude and longitude. And the islands in deep dispute simply are not part of that cartographic marking That defines the current philippine nation.
Philippines won in court. China has no legitimate claim under international law.
Same for all of the other claims. China can't invent a self-serving interpretation of post WW2 treaties and then use that to justify using violence against neighbouring countries.
Regardless of that court result which may or may not have standing, The key point here is The demarcation of the Philippines does not include those Islands it has in dispute with the other countries whether if it's China or Malaysia Indonesia or whoever else
China has a long history of making up maps to suit its narrative while suppressing maps that contradict the narrative.
Bottom line: Philippines won in court. China is acting illegally.
Regardless of the fact that they do have border disputes with India and the Philippines, as well as a tiny one with Russia (Zhenbao island), and are constantly threatening Taiwan, it's simply naive to think that the B&R initiative is anything other than imperial. It's economic colonialism. And then there's the Uyghurs. Also, let's not forget Tibet, which is conveniently just over 50 years ago, but still fresh in people's minds. There's no point in denying these allegations, you asked why so many people think of China this way, and this is the answer. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant.
You don't need to have boots on the ground to choke a country to death if you directly control a third of their economy and force them to take half their gdp in loans from you. One misstep and Xi will gladly remind you who is boss.
uhh because they harass us in our waters?
This is just an island dispute, China has not invaded the territory of other countries
Belt and road initiative?
The the Belt and Road is just a business，China has not invaded anyone else.
Firstly the Tibet autonomous region was made in 1965, so this is just cherry picking stats at best, secondly when those poor countries infrastructure is owned by the Chinese what do you call that?
Just like Hong Kong, Tibet was controlled by the Qing Dynasty. We are simply taking back our lost territory. China has many neighboring countries, but currently only has land territorial disputes with India. As for the Belt and Road Initiative, China is not using aircraft carriers and guns to force other countries to sign agreements. You can call me a Chinese robot if you want, but I am stating the facts.
Ahh I see so using your same logic Japan should be able to invade china because they owned it in the 40’s, Mongolia should be allowed to invade northern china and the western xia because they owned it in the 1200’s, also you’re doing the same exact thing that France is doing in west Africa, they haven’t invaded Africa since colonialism but they still economically control the African nations, funny how people always want to talk about how bad the west is but when china does the exact same things it all of a sudden ok, crazy amount of hypocrisy coming from you
The current international order is based on World War II. Japan was a defeated nation, and Mongolia was defeated by the Ming Dynasty hundreds of years ago. Mongolia and China currently have no territorial disputes. Don't compare China with France. France was a colonizer; it manipulated elections in Africa through the CFA franc and the French language, supporting pro-French governments. Look at how Sankara died. China doesn't manipulate these things. China's policy is that regardless of whether you are a dictator or not, as long as you are willing to do business with China, China will not interfere in African politics.
Except it is, in those same countries with the belt and road initiative china doesn’t let American or European businesses in, because they have control over the infrastructure and not the governments of those countries, also why isn’t chinas qing dynasty expansion not considered the exact same thing as colonialism? By definition it’s the same and this is they hypocrisy once again, and that’s my exact same point, chinas first occupation of Tibet was after mongolias (yuan dynasty) therefore using your logic Tibet is mongolias and not chinas
Sorry I must have missed the part where the currencies of African countries were directly tied to the Chinese Renminbi and said countries had to keep a significant proportion of their currency reserves in the People's Bank of China...
I guess you also missed Kenya’s SGR railway china funded and the Mombasa port too, both of which involved Chinese banks loaning the Kenyan government money then operating them, they also put toll roads in too
Kenya’s SGR is operated and owned by the Kenyan government-owned Kenya Railways Corporation. The port is not Chinese owned, not fully Chinese built, and not Chinese operated.
You actually just don’t do any research at all do you?
The Qing were Manchus and not Chinese. They had Tibet as a vassal and purposely kept and administered Tibet separately from China. The first time Tibet ever became a “part” of China was in 1950. There was no “taking back” as China never had Tibet.
Manchus are now all Chinese. The last emperor of the Qing Dynasty was also from Beijing. China is called China, not Han State.
Not at the time of the Qing.
The 5 year old? You mean he was born in the Qing empire?
I never said anything about “Han”.
What I mean is that all Manchus are now Chinese citizens and hold Chinese passports, so where does your idea that Manchus are not Chinese come from? China has 56 ethnic groups, not just Han Chinese. There may be some Uyghurs and Tibetans who have ideas about independence, but no Manchu has ever wanted independence.
And what I mean is that you’re talking about now, not at the time of the Qing. This idea of Chinese being this multiethnic with a nationalistic identity is a recent 20th century concept.
It comes from the Manchus themselves. Again, I never said or even implied anything “Han”.
It also isn’t just “some” Tibetans. I also never said Manchus wanted independence.
This debt trap thing is basically entirely made up. Also having foreign owned infrastructure in your country is absolutely not exclusive to China owning stuff... And finally, it's basically only happened once with that port in Sri Lanka. That means thousands and thousands of projects with no 'debt traps' sprung.
God forbid the world’s largest exporter helps develop mutually beneficial trade infrastructure across the world.
Except they don’t? Lmao they give insanely large amounts of money with a high interest rate to be given licenses to build the infrastructure in poor third world countries then when said countries can’t pay off their debts they take ownership of the infrastructure, they’ve done it in Africa and the pacific, the us and china are in a bidding war in these third world places, do more research
I have definitely done more research than you. The so called “debt-trap” is almost entirely a myth. It has basically been sprung once and once only in Sri Lanka, and was entirely due to the Sri Lankan government’s mismanagement. It has not happened in Africa. Countries go through these negotiations willingly and it’s been shown that African countries trust partnerships with China more than the west (due to no neocolonialism and fewer strings attached- e.g no “structural adjustments”). Furthermore, even if China does own the asset, that means the country still has a piece of vital infrastructure which they otherwise wouldn’t. For example, France owns most of our nuclear power stations (although they didn’t even build them for us); I’m not too happy with this but I’d rather have French owned power stations than just no electricity. Almost everyone in the UK would agree.
"Mutually beneficial" ROFLMAO.
They constantly clash with other countries fishing territories (Argentina, Peru, Philippines) set up scamming networks and support human trafficking in South East Asia (Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar), and bully other surrounding countries constantly (Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam). Also some Africa colonialism. No war ≠ good govt
A large population with a modern economy needs to import and a lot of resources. Geopolitics and domestic growth could force China to seek more territory. Also leadership change always brings unpredictable scenarios, they have built naval capabilities to land troops on foreign lands
No one* think that china will invite anywhere except maybe Taiwan
Military is not the only way to exert power military is pretty inefficient actually for that...
China exer control with commerce and have bye/control a lot of infostructure in Europe Africa and Asia for that reason.
USA have lost the position of world only super power is "natural" china to fill the vacuum tha USA live behind
*except some stupid right Wing idiots that's only other right wing idiots take seriously
What is actually happening is a lot of people have use the word biggest supper power to be USA and assume incorrectly the next one will behave the same and start inviting everywhere.
This is the right map, this is how the world should be
This is either rage bait or a severe case of brain damage. Or a submissive fetish, who knows.
Trump OP once you get both americas thats very strong
EDIT: I was talking about if this was a real RISK game. Nobody else gets a continent bonus except Trump who gets +7 troops each turn.