Iraq is dominantly eastern Catholic. The largest church is the Chaldean Catholic Church followed by the Assyrian church of the east (non Catholic or orthodox), Syriac Catholic Church and then the Syriac Orthodox Church and Armenian.
This goes for Lebanon aswell. The largest church by far is the Maronite Catholic Church. Which is also an eastern catholic Syriac rite church.
Ur prolly right with the Catholic thing, but I think the 'oriental orthodoxy' just means non European centred sects, since it have Armenian who are apostolic and Coptic Ethiopia, I think
Apparently the Christian population, being extremely small to begin with, is mostly growing out of underground Protestant evangelism. The Catholics however do not have evangelizing missions in the country.
To take your point further, all Orthodox churches also have the title "Katholikos" (Catholic) in their name, which is originally a Greek word that means universal.
Oh, this makes sense, I was waiting for someone to make the point how we usually referred to folks from certain Asian countries as "oriental" but when it comes down to religion, that is decidedly not the case.
The Orthodox claim it's not true, that Protestant and Catholics are a lot closer together than both are to Protestantism. But then again, I feel like Protestantism is a really broad term, because a lot of denominations say they are protestant but are extremely different, like, comparing Lutheranism to some random American Baptist.
I'm sure some scholar has made some graphic of theological and liturgical similarity between different denominations.
There's a guy on YouTube that does some really good, in depth, analysis on the different denominations called 'Ready to Harvest' - it's very factual, unbiased and well researched. Good stuff.
To further the point though, the EO do say the Catholics were the first Protestants, which is more of a flippant remark to wind up Catholics than anything else but generally speaking Catholics see themselves as being far closer to EO than the other way around. Catholics tend to undersell or under value what EO see a pretty big chasm in thought.
EO and OO are, generally speaking, much closer in alignment and are much further down the line of ecumenism. It's far more realistic that at least some of the OO and EO return to communion with each in the next century or so.
Yeah, even looking at initial reasons for schisma (at least religious ones) will tell you how much smaller the difference between Catholics and Orthodox Christians is compared to difference with Protestants.
Yes, but very similar in both doctrine and worship. The split of the Eastern and Oriental churches was actually the very first schism in Christianity, going all the way back to the council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. But they’re very similar to each other, both are the most ancient of the Christian churches. There’s actually been a lot of efforts towards reunification, hopefully it will happen eventually.
People don't know what eastern orthodoxy is. Westerners at least. We only know the big 3 branches, so when we hear orthodox we think eastern. It's crazy because you'd hear that Armenia was the first Christian kingdom but not what branch it was
yes it's correct but that gets really complicated since Catholics are far more likely to identify as one even if it's only cultural, while Protestants are more open about being secular, agnostic, atheist, or a religious none. it's the same story in other countries, you see Catholicism kind of flat while protestantism decreases as society secularizes. culturally you see more protestant legacies in Netherlands than Catholic ones since most of the cultural stuff just became secular.
It is just that secularisation went faster r
with protestants than with catholics. Since cathelicism is more routed in tradition more people baptised their children even after they stopped going to church. It is more ingrained in the culture. If you look at church attendance protestantism would be dominant.
We care because renaming the gulf as Arabian gulf is an active political identity theft from Arabs that started a few years ago. You cant just rename historic regions just because you want to. The Arabs want the whole world to call it the Arabian gulf but you westerners are too ignorant to understand these things so its ok
You made me curious and I googled, looks like it was indeed “Persian gulf” (or whichever equivalent) going back to Ancient Greece. Minus a push for “Arabian gulf” in the 60s, which it sounds like the rest of the world kind of ignored.
Look at Estonia, The Netherlands, Armenia, also this map neglects regional divides like in USA. Finally, lack of New Zealand and other island states and micro-nations.
What is nuanced about Estonia, The Netherlands and Armenia? Why should regional divides in the US be considered for a global map showing entire countries? How does omitting NZ and other island nations draw over nuances?
Also there's the usual issue that many countries vary heavily inside. Protestantism is the most populated branch in the USA, sure, but many areas are primarily Catholic, Utah is Mormon, etc.
And then I always wonder “what do you mean by Protestant?”
A Lutheran in the Midwest is completely different from a Mormon in Utah, Baptist in the Deep South, and those non denominational mega churches in California.
I’m Episcopalian. Our worship looks way closer to Roman Catholicism than the Baptist Church, for example. But we’re still grouped with all Protestantism solely for breaking with the Vatican 500 years ago.
But the map is incorrect, largest denomination (Maronites) are eastern catholic not Roman Catholic, as are the third, sixth and eighth largest (melkites, Armenian Catholics and Syrian catholics) .
Greek Orthodox (Eastern Orthodox) come in second
Armenian orthodox and Syriac orthodox (fourth and seventh)
Protestants in fifth
Roman Catholics in eighth
Whilst Australia’s largest single Christian denomination is Catholicism (43.4% of christians), that is because the Australian Bureau of Statistics goes more specific than just ‘Protestant’, and divides say, Anglicanism (25.4%) from Uniting Church (7.1%). Going by this maps rules, there should be more ‘Protestants’ in Australia than Catholics (43.4% - ~51%), if you add up the individual Protestant denominations.
This is all from Wikipedia, but they are sourcing from the ABS so im more inclined to trust, but still, I haven’t been super thorough.
Yeah this is true - whilst certainly more Catholic than the UK, the very fact we break down Protestantism into sects makes us a fundamentally hugely Protestant nation still - quite fair given we were colonised by an 18th/19th century Britain.
And the signs of that are everywhere, from posh Anglican, Methodist and Presbyterian schools to university histories to cathedral architects and placements.
Yeah, OP's map is incorrect no matter how you slice it, unless Protestant just means "mainline Protestant" - Anglican, Baptist, Uniting, Presbyterian, Congregationalist, Methodist. If you're including non-denominationals and pentecostals in Protestant, it flips.
Once you do that, if you count actual church attendance on a Sunday, then Protestant attendance on a Sunday slightly outnumbers Catholic. If you count it as census numbers, then Protestant is still larger by similar amounts.
Probably a story to be told how Protestantism turns into atheism/non-religiosity/agnosticism to a vastly greater extent than other Christian branches (I mean, look at NL and Germany lol)
That's probably due to the very high percentage of Catholics in the Francophone communities. There was recently a survey surrouding religion in Québec, and even if people weren't necessarily "religious" they were more likely to identify as Catholic for cultural reasons, then non-religous Anglo-Canadians were to identify as Protestant.
The funny thing is that in the late 1800s when estonians were forced to convert to orthodoxy, a lot of us used to convert to greek orthodoxy instead for political reasons. The construction of the only orthodox church in my town was was crowdfunded by locals and is under the jurisdiction of the patriarch of Constantinople, not the one in Moscow.
Yes, religious Estonians tend to be Lutheran (although the vast majority are just not religious - 81% in all age groups, 91% in 15-29 age group, 2021 data). Russians are just more likely to be religious.
Germany has been religiously divided since the 16th century and there were bloody wars fought over it. If you include Austria to the German language and cultural area, the ratio has been relatively evenly balanced for centuries while protestants secularised faster in the second half of the 20th century (also enforced by the socialist regime in the GDR)
A shame considering that India had Oriental Eastern NOT ORTHODOX but MONOPHYSITIC (in own words MIAPHYSITIC) church centuries before Portuguese Catholicism in Goa which in itself came centuries before Unitedstatesian "evangelicism" bullshit.
And China also had a huge Nestorian Church (not one of these branches, but vaguely "Oriental", centuries before Russian Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism came about the same time HALF A MILLENNIUM ago, and still now the crappy Protestantism is most widespread there too.
Oriental orthodoxy actually split from Caledonian Christianity before the eastern Orhtodox and Catholics split from each other, after the second ecumenical council. Visibly they’re incredibly similar and ostensibly differ on how they understand christology. Debates exist on how actually impactful the difference is between their views.
It was the very first schism in Christianity going back to the council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. You could very loosely say that the “Eastern Orthodox” churches are the descendants of the Greek speaking Byzantine churches based in Constantinople. This branch broadly includes the Greek and Slavic churches (Greek Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian church etc).
The Oriental Orthodox are predominantly the Egyptians (Copts), Ethiopians, Armenians as well as the Indian Malankara Church.
The thing is though that for all practical purposes the Eastern and Oriental churches are very similar to each other in terms of both theology and worship. Far closer than either of them is to Catholic or Protestant churches.
The worship is similar, but the doctrine is quite an issue, the eastern orthodox went on with a number of synods defining doctrine further after the split with the oriental orthodox.
no you're wrong. counting Christians alone, Protestants are close to 60% Catholics are close to 33% it's a common misconception due to Goa being unique in India
That's right. There are three factors to this.
1. Eastern Germany: the GDR with its state atheism secularized large parts of its population, the vast majority of which were protestant before.
2. Protestants are quicker to leave their church (in Germany you have to formally renounce your church membership).
3. Immigration. Poland and Italy are traditionally Catholic countries with large diasporas in Germany. The only diasporas from countries with significant protestant numbers that are even more than 100k are Netherlands and US.
Hinduism originated in the Indus Valley of what is now modern-day Pakistan, but Hindus are now a tiny minority in the Indus Valley.
The Anabaptists (Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites, etc.) also originated in Germany, but the majority of them are now in the Americas, and are also rapidly growing in Africa and Asia.
Mormonism originated in Upstate New York, but soon after relocated to the Rocky Mountains, where the majority of their members have resided in for almost two centuries.
Migrations, wars, persecutions, and demographic changes happen all the time in human history ya know, not a lot of "irony" in something that has always historically happened.
Islam is a very rare exception of this, as its place of origin has remained majority-Muslim til the present-day, however, Islam is itself facing a small decline in its birthplace in the Arabian Peninsula, with many non-Muslim migrant workers moving in (with foreigners even outnumbering Arabs in the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, and Bahrain) and younger generations being more secular and less religiously observant.
Both Islam and Christianity are growing in Sub-Saharan Africa and Asia, but declining elsewhere.
The numbers heavily depend on what time frame is looked at and what is considered as Germany.
At the end of the German Roman Empire (around 1800) it used to be about 60% Catholics and 40% Protestants.
Due to the Lesser German solution without Catholic Austria the Prussian led German Empire had numbers of about 2/3 Protestants and 1/3 Catholics.
West Germany had about 5% more Protestants than Catholics in the beginning. At the end of the '80s there were more Catholics than Protestants, the numbers switched.
East Germany was about 85% Protestant and 10% Catholic in the beginning and about 25% Protestant and 5% Catholic in the end.
Today in the Federal Republic of Germany there are slightly more Catholics than Protestants.
uuh what the fack, netherlands is mostly protestantism not roman catholicism, only a few regions in the south are catholocism and some ancient free cities. it should be purple.
So is the rest of the world. This map is just showing the largest Christian denomination in each country, but all of them have various Christian sects.
The dominant branch isn't Oriental Orthodox in Iraq. Can't speak for Iran but depending on who you believe the Catholics and Assyrian Church of the East (Nestorians) both claim to the mantle
I think it would be useful to separate the countries where Christians as a whole are way too small of a minority to have much of a cultural impact, even though technically this or that denomination is larger than all the others. That's what I did in my own attempt at this one map (which was rejected here because it was a simple MapChart, which, fair).
Oriental Orthodoxy is the branch that split the earliest, after the council of Chalcedon in the 450s, their deal is that they believe Jesus is 50% human and 50% God, while Chalcedonians (Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, most Protestants) say Jesus has two full natures, 100% human and 100% God.
Eastern Orthodoxy split with Catholicism in 1054, the disagreement was mostly about the Pope wanting to be the red power ranger. There were 5 Patriarchs, but the two most powerful were the Patriarch of Rome (the Pope) and the Patriarch of Constantinople. There were also cultural/linguistic reasons, the Eastern rites are all Greek while the Western rites are Latin.
Protestants split because some guy called out the corruption within the Catholic Church (and also wanted to be much more antisemitic). The Catholics mostly went "oh, yeah" and fixed most of the actual complaints, but various monarchs saw the opportunity to take over the power of the Church in their domains, by placing themselves as the leader. As such, Protestants are a very varied group, some bringing back ideas that were declared heretical even before Chalcedon, like how Mormons don't believe in the Trinity.
Most of modern history I think. Southern Germany/Bavaria has always been super Catholic. The protestant part was mostly north and east, which also happens to be the most atheistic part nowadays.
Australia is predominantly Protestant if you add the Protestant denominations together when comparing with Roman Catholicism, rather than using individual Protestant denominational subsets
2021 Australian census: The largest Christian denominations (those with at least 1% of the population) were Catholic at 20.0%, Anglican at 9.8%, Uniting Church at 2.7%, Eastern Orthodox at 2.1%, Presbyterian/Reformed at 1.6%, Baptist at 1.4% and Pentecostal at 1.0%. Those who answered Christian with no denomination were 2.7% of the population.
Iraq is dominantly eastern Catholic. The largest church is the Chaldean Catholic Church followed by the Assyrian church of the east (non Catholic or orthodox), Syriac Catholic Church and then the Syriac Orthodox Church and Armenian.
This goes for Lebanon aswell. The largest church by far is the Maronite Catholic Church. Which is also an eastern catholic Syriac rite church.
This is map porn. Pls stop using facts and data to impede a neat looking graphic.
Perhaps r/Maps should be a thing, where only factual maps are present.
Ur prolly right with the Catholic thing, but I think the 'oriental orthodoxy' just means non European centred sects, since it have Armenian who are apostolic and Coptic Ethiopia, I think
Who are the Protestants in Algeria?
Yeah, we were colonized by both the Romans and the French. All of our churches are catholic churches
That is why I'm asking. Why Protestants and not Catholic.
Apparently the Christian population, being extremely small to begin with, is mostly growing out of underground Protestant evangelism. The Catholics however do not have evangelizing missions in the country.
You used to have like 20 protestant churches that the country closed... they were even called dangerous...
People often forget eastern orthodoxy and oriental orthodoxy are different branches of Christianity
One of some very rare cases where it's literally the same thing but in actuality it isn't
Orthodox Christians are more similar to Catholics in actual dogma/church practices than most Protestants are to Catholics
That wasn't my point, literally as in literal orient=east.
I know it isn't the same that was the joke
Edit: I read your comment again and now I'm even more confused
To take your point further, all Orthodox churches also have the title "Katholikos" (Catholic) in their name, which is originally a Greek word that means universal.
Oh, this makes sense, I was waiting for someone to make the point how we usually referred to folks from certain Asian countries as "oriental" but when it comes down to religion, that is decidedly not the case.
That's actually hilarious! Great job have this 🏆
Effectively, the Roman Catholic Church sees them as schismatics rather than heretics
The Orthodox claim it's not true, that Protestant and Catholics are a lot closer together than both are to Protestantism. But then again, I feel like Protestantism is a really broad term, because a lot of denominations say they are protestant but are extremely different, like, comparing Lutheranism to some random American Baptist.
I'm sure some scholar has made some graphic of theological and liturgical similarity between different denominations.
There's a guy on YouTube that does some really good, in depth, analysis on the different denominations called 'Ready to Harvest' - it's very factual, unbiased and well researched. Good stuff.
To further the point though, the EO do say the Catholics were the first Protestants, which is more of a flippant remark to wind up Catholics than anything else but generally speaking Catholics see themselves as being far closer to EO than the other way around. Catholics tend to undersell or under value what EO see a pretty big chasm in thought.
EO and OO are, generally speaking, much closer in alignment and are much further down the line of ecumenism. It's far more realistic that at least some of the OO and EO return to communion with each in the next century or so.
Yeah, even looking at initial reasons for schisma (at least religious ones) will tell you how much smaller the difference between Catholics and Orthodox Christians is compared to difference with Protestants.
Yes, but very similar in both doctrine and worship. The split of the Eastern and Oriental churches was actually the very first schism in Christianity, going all the way back to the council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. But they’re very similar to each other, both are the most ancient of the Christian churches. There’s actually been a lot of efforts towards reunification, hopefully it will happen eventually.
Do Copts fall under Oriental Orthodoxy?
People don't know what eastern orthodoxy is. Westerners at least. We only know the big 3 branches, so when we hear orthodox we think eastern. It's crazy because you'd hear that Armenia was the first Christian kingdom but not what branch it was
Where is New Zealand?
r/MapsWithoutNZ
Raptured
Not there but I'd assume it's protestant.
right by Old Zealand
Thank fuck for that.
Narnia
The Mormons got them
i was surprised the netherlands is marked as roman catholic, i thought we had (slightly) more protestants. but it turns out i was a couple of decades behind on this! (source for people who are wondering about this too: https://longreads.cbs.nl/nederland-in-cijfers-2024/welk-geloof-hangen-we-aan/)
yes it's correct but that gets really complicated since Catholics are far more likely to identify as one even if it's only cultural, while Protestants are more open about being secular, agnostic, atheist, or a religious none. it's the same story in other countries, you see Catholicism kind of flat while protestantism decreases as society secularizes. culturally you see more protestant legacies in Netherlands than Catholic ones since most of the cultural stuff just became secular.
Confidently written by someone living in a Protestant part of the country.
Hes right tho
It is just that secularisation went faster r with protestants than with catholics. Since cathelicism is more routed in tradition more people baptised their children even after they stopped going to church. It is more ingrained in the culture. If you look at church attendance protestantism would be dominant.
Don't forget many protestants who stop, get themselves out of the registration, while many Catholics leave it be.
Arabian gulf is completely carried by Filipinos lol
And Indians.
That's Persian Gulf...
I meant Arabian peninsula I know it’s the Persian gulf, that’s on me
Persian gulf repeat it until you learn
who cares. he probably learned in school that it's called arabian gulf. different countries call it different things.
it being a new thing doesn't mean he has to actively change the name he's always known.
We care because renaming the gulf as Arabian gulf is an active political identity theft from Arabs that started a few years ago. You cant just rename historic regions just because you want to. The Arabs want the whole world to call it the Arabian gulf but you westerners are too ignorant to understand these things so its ok
Persian gulf*
Sorry, but no such thing as Arabian gulf exists, not now not throughout history. It has always been and will always be the Persian gulf.
You made me curious and I googled, looks like it was indeed “Persian gulf” (or whichever equivalent) going back to Ancient Greece. Minus a push for “Arabian gulf” in the 60s, which it sounds like the rest of the world kind of ignored.
Iraqs Christians are majority catholic. This map is incorrect.
I don’t think that’s correct. There’s various Christian branches there including Assyrian Church of the East, Syrian Orthodox, Chaldean Church etc.
the Chaldean are the majority. And they are catholic. Why do you think my statement is incorrect ? Did you bother to fact check it for 5 seconds ?
r/mapswithoutnewzealand
This map draws over a lot of nuances and makes crude generalizations, this is just bad.
Welcome to r/mapporn
Pretty lazy generalizations for sure.
Can you cite a few?
Look at Estonia, The Netherlands, Armenia, also this map neglects regional divides like in USA. Finally, lack of New Zealand and other island states and micro-nations.
What is nuanced about Estonia, The Netherlands and Armenia? Why should regional divides in the US be considered for a global map showing entire countries? How does omitting NZ and other island nations draw over nuances?
I agree. This map is not for breaking down the nuance of each countries christians
butt hurt Christians is actually a denomination now in USA and clearly there are several on this thread.
It says dominant religion per country. If you want nuance, don't look at a world map.
Also there's the usual issue that many countries vary heavily inside. Protestantism is the most populated branch in the USA, sure, but many areas are primarily Catholic, Utah is Mormon, etc.
And then I always wonder “what do you mean by Protestant?”
A Lutheran in the Midwest is completely different from a Mormon in Utah, Baptist in the Deep South, and those non denominational mega churches in California.
Mormons aren't Protestants, but I'm not going to argue whether they are Christians or not.
most academics classifying protestantism in the USA generally use three categories: evangelical (conservative) mainline (liberal) and black Church.
I’m Episcopalian. Our worship looks way closer to Roman Catholicism than the Baptist Church, for example. But we’re still grouped with all Protestantism solely for breaking with the Vatican 500 years ago.
Yeah, it's a VERY broad category
I believe this map is accurate at a national level.
Lebanon is mostly Catholic even if there is orthodox
But the map is incorrect, largest denomination (Maronites) are eastern catholic not Roman Catholic, as are the third, sixth and eighth largest (melkites, Armenian Catholics and Syrian catholics) . Greek Orthodox (Eastern Orthodox) come in second Armenian orthodox and Syriac orthodox (fourth and seventh) Protestants in fifth Roman Catholics in eighth
I think it’s marked as Catholic but it’s hard to see since it’s poor resolution.
Whilst Australia’s largest single Christian denomination is Catholicism (43.4% of christians), that is because the Australian Bureau of Statistics goes more specific than just ‘Protestant’, and divides say, Anglicanism (25.4%) from Uniting Church (7.1%). Going by this maps rules, there should be more ‘Protestants’ in Australia than Catholics (43.4% - ~51%), if you add up the individual Protestant denominations.
This is all from Wikipedia, but they are sourcing from the ABS so im more inclined to trust, but still, I haven’t been super thorough.
Yeah this is true - whilst certainly more Catholic than the UK, the very fact we break down Protestantism into sects makes us a fundamentally hugely Protestant nation still - quite fair given we were colonised by an 18th/19th century Britain.
And the signs of that are everywhere, from posh Anglican, Methodist and Presbyterian schools to university histories to cathedral architects and placements.
Yeah these maps are misleading to the point of being worse than useless but the bots can get upvotes pretty easily with them.
Yeah, OP's map is incorrect no matter how you slice it, unless Protestant just means "mainline Protestant" - Anglican, Baptist, Uniting, Presbyterian, Congregationalist, Methodist. If you're including non-denominationals and pentecostals in Protestant, it flips.
Once you do that, if you count actual church attendance on a Sunday, then Protestant attendance on a Sunday slightly outnumbers Catholic. If you count it as census numbers, then Protestant is still larger by similar amounts.
How bad can a map be? Yes.
Funny that Oriental and Eastern mean the same thing.
Those are only terms used in english. In reality none of those countries call themselfs EO or OO.
Catholic Switzerland?
Estonians aren't Eastern Orthodox. They are Protestantism
There are more orthodox russians than protestant estonians in estonia
Hilarious
Probably a story to be told how Protestantism turns into atheism/non-religiosity/agnosticism to a vastly greater extent than other Christian branches (I mean, look at NL and Germany lol)
And Canada?
That's probably due to the very high percentage of Catholics in the Francophone communities. There was recently a survey surrouding religion in Québec, and even if people weren't necessarily "religious" they were more likely to identify as Catholic for cultural reasons, then non-religous Anglo-Canadians were to identify as Protestant.
It’s easier to be a cultural Catholic than a cultural Protestant
It's probably the Russian minority
The funny thing is that in the late 1800s when estonians were forced to convert to orthodoxy, a lot of us used to convert to greek orthodoxy instead for political reasons. The construction of the only orthodox church in my town was was crowdfunded by locals and is under the jurisdiction of the patriarch of Constantinople, not the one in Moscow.
Yes, religious Estonians tend to be Lutheran (although the vast majority are just not religious - 81% in all age groups, 91% in 15-29 age group, 2021 data). Russians are just more likely to be religious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Estonia#/media/File:Religious_differences_in_Estonia,_2021.png
Britain is about to turn pink apparently.
Still baffles me that the entire UK is Protestant solely because some guy wanted a divorce 😭
RDC is mostly catholic
Which Protestant sects are big in China, Korea, Japan, and Indonesia?
China has a state run one.
Korea are the Presbyterians, they've always been big there since the 19th century.
not sure about Japan, I could have sworn the few Christians there were Catholic.
Indonesia is the reformed Church (Dutch reformed Calvinist).
United Church of Christ in Japan, apparently.
Interestingly, Japan has its own native Japanese Orthodox Church which falls under the Moscow Patriarchate
United Church of Christ in Japan, apparently.
How on earth is india and Asian countries Protestant? Almost all I've ever met is Catholic
Probably Pentecostal.
Weird, I'd have expected more Oriental Orthodox due to the Saint Thomas Christians
Protestant missionaries.
Classic traffic lights Baltics
New Zealand being left out yet again… 💀
Martin Luther's body is shaking in grave seeing Germany as more catholic
The majority Christian church in Germany is Catholic? My history isn't great but isn't Germany the home of protestantism
Germany has been religiously divided since the 16th century and there were bloody wars fought over it. If you include Austria to the German language and cultural area, the ratio has been relatively evenly balanced for centuries while protestants secularised faster in the second half of the 20th century (also enforced by the socialist regime in the GDR)
A shame considering that India had Oriental Eastern NOT ORTHODOX but MONOPHYSITIC (in own words MIAPHYSITIC) church centuries before Portuguese Catholicism in Goa which in itself came centuries before Unitedstatesian "evangelicism" bullshit.
And China also had a huge Nestorian Church (not one of these branches, but vaguely "Oriental", centuries before Russian Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism came about the same time HALF A MILLENNIUM ago, and still now the crappy Protestantism is most widespread there too.
r/mapswithoutnewzealand
What about New Zealand ?
Protestant. 51% have no religion
So roman vs orthodoxy
Incorrect, in Netherlands Protestantism is bigger
Why is Germany not protestant? I thought they were dominantly non- catholic.
The Dutch are definitely Protestant
Estonia and Latvia are protestant by history, but nowadays the countries are the most non religious in the world!
Whats the difference between Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy?
Oriental orthodoxy actually split from Caledonian Christianity before the eastern Orhtodox and Catholics split from each other, after the second ecumenical council. Visibly they’re incredibly similar and ostensibly differ on how they understand christology. Debates exist on how actually impactful the difference is between their views.
Arguments about whether Christ's divine nature was separate from his human nature or whether he had a single nature.
It was the very first schism in Christianity going back to the council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. You could very loosely say that the “Eastern Orthodox” churches are the descendants of the Greek speaking Byzantine churches based in Constantinople. This branch broadly includes the Greek and Slavic churches (Greek Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian church etc).
The Oriental Orthodox are predominantly the Egyptians (Copts), Ethiopians, Armenians as well as the Indian Malankara Church.
The thing is though that for all practical purposes the Eastern and Oriental churches are very similar to each other in terms of both theology and worship. Far closer than either of them is to Catholic or Protestant churches.
The worship is similar, but the doctrine is quite an issue, the eastern orthodox went on with a number of synods defining doctrine further after the split with the oriental orthodox.
The US is a lot more Catholic than a lot of protestants believe.
India is wrong Catholicism is the largest out of all Christian denominations. Edit: I was wrong ignore this
no you're wrong. counting Christians alone, Protestants are close to 60% Catholics are close to 33% it's a common misconception due to Goa being unique in India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_India?wprov=sfla1
Yes you are right my bad.
Netherlands catholic?
there are more catholics then protestants in the Netherlands. 20 % vs 14 %
Germany is Catholic? Fr?
There are about 1.5 million more Catholics than Protestants in Germany.
Ironically, Germany is the birthplace of Protestantism and somehow there are more Catholics than Protestants in Germany.
That's right. There are three factors to this.
1. Eastern Germany: the GDR with its state atheism secularized large parts of its population, the vast majority of which were protestant before.
2. Protestants are quicker to leave their church (in Germany you have to formally renounce your church membership). 3. Immigration. Poland and Italy are traditionally Catholic countries with large diasporas in Germany. The only diasporas from countries with significant protestant numbers that are even more than 100k are Netherlands and US.
Not surprising like how redditors make it seem to be, geographic migrations happen all the time with religions:
Christianity originated in Israel, but now Christians are only 1% of the population of both modern Israel and Palestine
Buddhism originated in India, but it was almost completely extirpated from India, and the majority of Buddhists are now in China, the decline and near-extinction of Buddhism from the Indian subcontinent is itself a gigantic rabbit hole to read about.
Hinduism originated in the Indus Valley of what is now modern-day Pakistan, but Hindus are now a tiny minority in the Indus Valley.
The Anabaptists (Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites, etc.) also originated in Germany, but the majority of them are now in the Americas, and are also rapidly growing in Africa and Asia.
Mormonism originated in Upstate New York, but soon after relocated to the Rocky Mountains, where the majority of their members have resided in for almost two centuries.
Migrations, wars, persecutions, and demographic changes happen all the time in human history ya know, not a lot of "irony" in something that has always historically happened.
Islam is a very rare exception of this, as its place of origin has remained majority-Muslim til the present-day, however, Islam is itself facing a small decline in its birthplace in the Arabian Peninsula, with many non-Muslim migrant workers moving in (with foreigners even outnumbering Arabs in the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, and Bahrain) and younger generations being more secular and less religiously observant.
Both Islam and Christianity are growing in Sub-Saharan Africa and Asia, but declining elsewhere.
Pretty recent development, it used to be like 1/3 Catholics 2/3 protestant, now almost 50/50
The numbers heavily depend on what time frame is looked at and what is considered as Germany.
At the end of the German Roman Empire (around 1800) it used to be about 60% Catholics and 40% Protestants.
Due to the Lesser German solution without Catholic Austria the Prussian led German Empire had numbers of about 2/3 Protestants and 1/3 Catholics.
West Germany had about 5% more Protestants than Catholics in the beginning. At the end of the '80s there were more Catholics than Protestants, the numbers switched.
East Germany was about 85% Protestant and 10% Catholic in the beginning and about 25% Protestant and 5% Catholic in the end.
Today in the Federal Republic of Germany there are slightly more Catholics than Protestants.
uuh what the fack, netherlands is mostly protestantism not roman catholicism, only a few regions in the south are catholocism and some ancient free cities. it should be purple.
Actually that’s no longer the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Netherlands
what the duck, reverse chauvinism xD
What are these ancient free cities?
In Türkiye, we call the eastern orthodox church Roman orthodox church.
in eastern europe we just call ourselfs only orthodox. But yeah it is also roman technically.
India is extremely divided in terms of christian sects
So is the rest of the world. This map is just showing the largest Christian denomination in each country, but all of them have various Christian sects.
Actually Assyrians are today the most numerous christian group in turkey since the resettlement efforts. So Turkey should be Oriental Orthodoxy.
Assyrians aren’t oriental orthodox, they are their own thing from a separate schism
I wonder what oriental Christian cultures are like. I've never lived in one.
Have a look:
https://youtu.be/K9mqPKyGCpA?si=q3S0A_cR3dlstZcv
https://youtu.be/YuGZeEBrcxM?si=j8Urz1T9rQ2gx1da
Thanks!!
I'm kinda surprised India is Protestant, all the Indian Christians I know are Catholic
r/mapswithoutnz
IIRC, Catholicism is the largest Christian denomination group in the US, at 1 out of 4 people.
No New Zealand again
The dominant branch isn't Oriental Orthodox in Iraq. Can't speak for Iran but depending on who you believe the Catholics and Assyrian Church of the East (Nestorians) both claim to the mantle
Germany is Catholic?
Wow finally a religious map that showcases the differences between Oriental and Eastern Orthodoxy, the map still sucks though.
IM INDIAN ORIENTAL LOL
Eastern = Oriental, Western = Occidental
Oriental Orthodox ≠ Eastern Orthodox
Eastern Orthodox Church
Oriental Orthodox Churches
What's the similarity between a Lutheran and a Southern Baptist?
Where is New Zealand?
What are the countries in the corners?
Catholicism is 1.16% larger in Albania than Orthodoxy.
Lavdi Hyut në lartësinë qiellore.
Interesting when it comes to Germany. The country that started Protestantism.
Why is Australia Catholic majority?—being a recent UK colony.
I think it would be useful to separate the countries where Christians as a whole are way too small of a minority to have much of a cultural impact, even though technically this or that denomination is larger than all the others. That's what I did in my own attempt at this one map (which was rejected here because it was a simple MapChart, which, fair).
Can somebody ELI5 how each religion/branch/denomination differ?
Oriental Orthodoxy is the branch that split the earliest, after the council of Chalcedon in the 450s, their deal is that they believe Jesus is 50% human and 50% God, while Chalcedonians (Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, most Protestants) say Jesus has two full natures, 100% human and 100% God.
Eastern Orthodoxy split with Catholicism in 1054, the disagreement was mostly about the Pope wanting to be the red power ranger. There were 5 Patriarchs, but the two most powerful were the Patriarch of Rome (the Pope) and the Patriarch of Constantinople. There were also cultural/linguistic reasons, the Eastern rites are all Greek while the Western rites are Latin.
Protestants split because some guy called out the corruption within the Catholic Church (and also wanted to be much more antisemitic). The Catholics mostly went "oh, yeah" and fixed most of the actual complaints, but various monarchs saw the opportunity to take over the power of the Church in their domains, by placing themselves as the leader. As such, Protestants are a very varied group, some bringing back ideas that were declared heretical even before Chalcedon, like how Mormons don't believe in the Trinity.
And of course all of them think that they and only they are correct about how to interpret christianity correctly and everyone else is wrong...
wow what happened in the netherlands for catholicism to overtake protestantism? i thought it was the dutch's whole thing
Anglicanism isn't really protestantism, it's kind of its own thing
Since when is Germany predominantly Catholic?
Most of modern history I think. Southern Germany/Bavaria has always been super Catholic. The protestant part was mostly north and east, which also happens to be the most atheistic part nowadays.
I’m surprised by Australia. Is it just because of how secular the formerly Protestant folks have become?
Australia is predominantly Protestant if you add the Protestant denominations together when comparing with Roman Catholicism, rather than using individual Protestant denominational subsets
Australians are Anglican, which is Protestant.
Surprisingly according to google the catholic church there has more members.
Apparently it’s because of all the Irish and Italian immigrants.
2021 Australian census: The largest Christian denominations (those with at least 1% of the population) were Catholic at 20.0%, Anglican at 9.8%, Uniting Church at 2.7%, Eastern Orthodox at 2.1%, Presbyterian/Reformed at 1.6%, Baptist at 1.4% and Pentecostal at 1.0%. Those who answered Christian with no denomination were 2.7% of the population.
Mind the rivers in The Netherlands 🇳🇱
I would’ve always expected Germany to be more Protestant. Considering that’s where it was founded.
Mozambique is mostly Catholic
Where does the Syrian orthodox church fall under, Eastern or oriental.
Also i believe Catholicism has a majority here in India, although I could be wrong
India has a significant Catholic presence as well.
Netherlands and Germany were once Protestant majority
there's a lot of Greek Orthodox in Australia
Can someone explain the difference between the branch of Christianity?
Algeria Protestant? Australia Catholic? This is fascinating
Not sure about the Netherlands, arent they Protestant as majority?
Most of this is wrong, Christianity is becoming a minority religion specifically Catholicism
r/mapswithoutNZ
Protestantism is actually bigger than Roman Catholicism in Australia if you add all the Protestant church figures together vs Catholics
there are no Christians in Yemen
Poor Mongolians
How are there more Protestants in Algeria?
Wut? The US is predominantly Protestant?! Is this true?
Most christians in Albania are catholic, not orthodox.
I don't think that's correct for India, specially outside Goa.
Ethiopian christianism is really unique. I think we should call it aftican orthodoxy