Wasn't it? Didn't they make the case to be allowed to remain or join the EF on the grounds that they were a part of the EF while being a protectorate of France?
There's another African nation that has expressed interest in joining, Cape Verde. Spain (through the Canary Islands) and Portugal have voiced support. There's never been an official proposal though
They also get the perks, in the sense that Norwegians and Icelanders have freedom of movement inside the EU like a German or a French citizen. In practice, the Swiss have that too, even though the rules are minimally different.
This isn't really true for Switzerland. We have bilateral deals with the EU which require us to follow some selective rules, but not most of them. Unless I'm overestimating how many rules the EU has.
The amount of rules to follow may be lesser than for norway, because the bilaterals are made specific for switzerland, but the "association" point stands regardless.
What I noticed is that the second who posts a certain sentiment often gets more downvotes than the first. If this is what happened, I was just lucky :-)
You? Nothing. Considering you're seemingly an electrician I actually have to commend your kind for inventing the type G plug socket. The only good thing about this God forsaken "country"
I guessed as much. Both Scotland and England in the EU would be fine by me. Even better a Federal European State. I'm not big on nationalism be it Scottish or English.
Wow then you can be a poorer independent country and get taxed to the teeth and then complain about that. The sooner you go the better in my view if this is what you want
Or just move the continent to the left and nudge it down a bit to give room for the legend. Seriously odd choice to put the Caucasus in a box when it's right there lol
Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland aren't "other countries".
Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein are part of the EEA, meaning they benefit from things such as free movement, free trade and free roaming but have some opt-outs on things such as fishing, oil, taxes and foreign policy.
Switzerland isn't part of the EEA but is part of the Schengen area and has several bilateral agreements with the EU.
This is not true. Georgia's accession negotiations have been suspended until at least the end of 2028. However, Georgia remains a member of the Association Trio as an official EU candidate.
EFTA countries like Switzerland are doing fine without the EU. I think bilateral treaties rather than full membership can work out better for certain countries.
It is a lot more stable than the NATO one. How the hell people do not know this?!? Article 42(7). Being in EU and having Euro simply guarantees you France, Germany and the Rest will bomb the shit out of any threat. Poland may be a special one here because they have no €, so in theory the economical impact of an invasion is not so big. But practically PL is a German factory so Bundeswehr will protect it like Germany.
I’m really surprised Turkey still believes the EU will actually let them join. It’s been fairly obvious the EU has been carrot on the sticking then for 2 decades now.
I love that Morocco was included on this map. They applied in ‘77(?) and got told no, because they weren’t on the European continent. (I!m sure racism had nothing to do with it. /s)
It's more with the international crisis over the Western Sahara, the fact that they are not a Liberal Democracy with Separation of powers and Rule of Law, and the "Great Morocco" expansionist ambitions that several public officials claimed. If you behave like a mad dog expect to be treated as one.
Interesting, I'd never heard of Morocco's attempt to join before.
It wasn’t a serious attempt, it was mainly to show political and economic closeness to Europe.
Wasn't it? Didn't they make the case to be allowed to remain or join the EF on the grounds that they were a part of the EF while being a protectorate of France?
Morocco was never part. The application was 99% symbolic, the remaining 1% was basically a Hail Mary.
Aaaah, I'm sorry! My memory was playing tricks on me. I was thinking about Algeria
Funnily enough that was part of the reason! They said "Algeria was a part of the EU and legally a part for France so why cant we be European too?"
There's another African nation that has expressed interest in joining, Cape Verde. Spain (through the Canary Islands) and Portugal have voiced support. There's never been an official proposal though
It has a land border with spain
Should have the EFTA countries as a separate category. These are aligned with the EU without being members.
Yes. Norway and Switzerland are de fakto associated members. They have to follow most of the common rules and at least norway also has to pay.
Also Iceland. And there are special arrangements with Andorra, San Marino, Vatican and probably others.
They also get the perks, in the sense that Norwegians and Icelanders have freedom of movement inside the EU like a German or a French citizen. In practice, the Swiss have that too, even though the rules are minimally different.
This isn't really true for Switzerland. We have bilateral deals with the EU which require us to follow some selective rules, but not most of them. Unless I'm overestimating how many rules the EU has.
The amount of rules to follow may be lesser than for norway, because the bilaterals are made specific for switzerland, but the "association" point stands regardless.
Why did you get upvoted and I got downvoted for saying exact same thing?
What I noticed is that the second who posts a certain sentiment often gets more downvotes than the first. If this is what happened, I was just lucky :-)
Every time I see the UK described as a former member I die a little inside.
i love that it's red because they listened too much to kremlinkrap
Fuck em.
Norway too.
It's hilarious how eurotrash in this subreddit gives everyone else a pass but the UK.
norway has extremely close ties to the eu, it cooperates very closely with it. they are not the same lol.
and they still get slapped with tariffs. lol.
sadly yes
why
Because leaving the EU was a national act of self harm. That's why!
I view it as a good thing. The sooner this shithole of a country collapses, the better imo.
“Instead of fighting for a better future I’d rather succumb to suicidal nihilism and doom 60 million people to shitter lives” - you rn
Yeah. You got it. We don't deserve good things.
What did i do?
You? Nothing. Considering you're seemingly an electrician I actually have to commend your kind for inventing the type G plug socket. The only good thing about this God forsaken "country"
Do you need a hug?
Wouldn't hurt but I need any country I move to adopt the type G plug socket, first and foremost.
I assume you don’t live in the U.K. or you are an idiot.
Why not both
One day we won't be the UK...
And what alternative would you prefer?
Scotland.
I guessed as much. Both Scotland and England in the EU would be fine by me. Even better a Federal European State. I'm not big on nationalism be it Scottish or English.
Wow then you can be a poorer independent country and get taxed to the teeth and then complain about that. The sooner you go the better in my view if this is what you want
Aye am sound with that
"The sooner you go"
I love then the hostage taker acts like the victim.
U ok hun?
One of the great things is you can travel and live almost anywhere. Go for it.
The map would have been more relevant if it showed the states associated with the EU by bilateral agreements.
It makes no sense to put Switzerland and Russia in the same category.
That's right. Armenia has a lot of agreements now whereas Georgia has backtracked towards Russia, yet on the map it's the other way round.
Everyone loves Armenia after all
Except its neighbors
Half of them.
Worst colors to use.. wtf is this
Why are Monaco and San Marino not labelled while Vatican, Andorra, and Liechtenstein are?
Apparently there's "other countries" and "no data". Just the quality you expect from r/mapporn
Okay, I am a bit confused. What do you mean by 'other countries'? Then, what are the gray countries?
Could rotate the map clockwise to directly include Caucasian countries.
Or just move the continent to the left and nudge it down a bit to give room for the legend. Seriously odd choice to put the Caucasus in a box when it's right there lol
"live Georgia reaction:"
Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland aren't "other countries".
Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein are part of the EEA, meaning they benefit from things such as free movement, free trade and free roaming but have some opt-outs on things such as fishing, oil, taxes and foreign policy.
Switzerland isn't part of the EEA but is part of the Schengen area and has several bilateral agreements with the EU.
As you can see this map is not about EEA so it doesn't display EEA
But it displays former members and candidates..
Exactly, because it's a map specifically about EU membership
Candidates and former members are no longer members.
Turkey is basically a rejected country, candidate for 40 years with the candidacy totally frozen since around 2016
The map is outdated, Georgia is no longer an EU candidate.
It is, just frozen. On hold. Like turkey.
This is not true. Georgia's accession negotiations have been suspended until at least the end of 2028. However, Georgia remains a member of the Association Trio as an official EU candidate.
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EFTA countries like Switzerland are doing fine without the EU. I think bilateral treaties rather than full membership can work out better for certain countries.
LET ME BACK IN
I COULDNT VOTE
ITS NOT FAAAAIR
thank ur older generation for it
No! It was the national equivalent of taking a gun to the temple
Russia should be listed under 'enemies'
Will be nice to see the green and red turning blue
no thanks
Whats up with these maps and the horrible color choices
Turkey First applied to the EU even before the USSR fell apart
What do you mean by "other countries" ?
Hasn't Turkey withdrawn their application years ago?
Turkeys application is frozen since 2018 but they haven't withdrawn.
It was frozen due to concern about democracy, rule of law and human rights.
The EU could withdraw the application if they wanted to. The negotiations with Georgia is also frozen currently.
But I guess withdrawing the application will Turkey permanently set apart from Europe
There should be only full membership and defense pact obligations when Euro is currency.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure there's no defense pact obligations in the EU.
There is one but it's vaguely formulated.
Vaguely? Read it. A lot less vaguely than NATO.
It is a lot more stable than the NATO one. How the hell people do not know this?!? Article 42(7). Being in EU and having Euro simply guarantees you France, Germany and the Rest will bomb the shit out of any threat. Poland may be a special one here because they have no €, so in theory the economical impact of an invasion is not so big. But practically PL is a German factory so Bundeswehr will protect it like Germany.
I’m really surprised Turkey still believes the EU will actually let them join. It’s been fairly obvious the EU has been carrot on the sticking then for 2 decades now.
If anyone would allow to join Turkey to EU one day the whole country would be empty within 3 months
I love that Morocco was included on this map. They applied in ‘77(?) and got told no, because they weren’t on the European continent. (I!m sure racism had nothing to do with it. /s)
1987
Was that the bite of ‘87?
thanks
It's more with the international crisis over the Western Sahara, the fact that they are not a Liberal Democracy with Separation of powers and Rule of Law, and the "Great Morocco" expansionist ambitions that several public officials claimed. If you behave like a mad dog expect to be treated as one.
Buh muh racism!!1!1!
Do you people start your day smashing a rubber mallet off the top of your head?
Why do the swiss have to be so weird everytime?
Georgia in the EU
what are they thinking?
This map absolutely ignores othe EEA memebers' and Swiss relations with EU.
No it doesn't, because that's not the data being displayed. Switzerland, factually, is not a member of the EU.
They are in the single market. This maps shows them as unrelated as absolute adversaries like Russia or Belarus.
This map is purely about EU membership. When it comes to that, Switzerland, Russia and Belarus are all non members
If it has candidates, then it should also have other EEA members that have more to do with the EU than all the candidates.
Then make your own map lmao
Ugh, that racism. The map isn't about what you want it to be about 😅
The fourth Reich is slowing down, a small victorious war is urgently needed! A weakened Russia is perfect for this role!