America Split Into 10 Regions With Equal Population
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  • 1921 points JNSapakoh

    Wake up babe, new time zones dropped

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    478 points BOREN

    Wake up babe, new upper chamber of Congress just dropped.

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    80 points TotalCharnage

    Legislative upper decker

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    32 points nartak

    No that’s what we have currently.

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    8 points alyingprophet

    It’s just an unceasing series of blows

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    28 points UnbowedUnbentUn

    Upper and lower :)

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    6 points IIIDVIII

    Dang, we got new time zones before GTA 6?

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    36 points californiaboy2003

    Someone commuting to Los Angeles from Orange County or the Inland Empire would be changing time zones during their commute.

    Also, the line between the blue and yellow time zones would pass through DFW airport, so the time at this airport would be ambiguous. Commuters in the DFW and Chicago areas would also be constantly changing time zones.

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    42 points quent12dg

    the line between the blue and yellow time zones would pass through DFW airport, so the time at this airport would be ambiguous. Commuters in the DFW and Chicago areas would also be constantly changing time zones.

    That sounds like a whole lot of "not my problem".

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    14 points sarahelizaf

    There are people commuting into different time zones in Chicago already.

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    3 points Ameisen

    It'd be a bit worse as those northwestern Indiana counties in Chicagoland wouldn't be in CST.

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    4 points DavidRFZ

    I work from home. The home office is in another state. I change time zones logging in to my work computer. :)

    I have to get up a little early, but I get my hour at the end of every day which is a nice excuse to run an errand or do some yard work.

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    3 points hotdogjumpingfrog1

    No. There is no split

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    2 points PansexualinParadise

    We got new time zones before GTA VI.

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  • 1722 points Additional_Law_4360

    I refuse to accept this map, smh

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    568 points [deleted]

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    202 points breadingcargo

    I think the more surprising is that purple and red have the same populations. Orange makes sense it has New England and NYC

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    171 points qxrt

    Not so surprising when you realize that SoCal, which is the largest population center in the west, is split in half on this map, with LA county on one side and OC/San Bernardino/San Diego on the other half. 

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    36 points breadingcargo

    I guess but orange has the rest of California plus Washington, Oregon and Hawaii. The rest of purple is pretty empty other than Phoenix and Las Vegas. I guess Las Vegas has more people than I thought.

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    63 points Darklord_Of_Bacon

    I would guess it’s actually Phoenix that has more than you thought. Arizona doesn’t seem like I could support a 4 mil city but it does!

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    15 points Galumpadump

    Yes but SF and Seattle Metros both have over 4M people as well. After Las Vegas and SLC are the only other metros of over 1M people while the area in red has Sacramento, Portland, and San Jose who are all comparable in size to SLC and Vegas, Honolulu and Fresno are both over 1M People as well and Bakersfield is around the same size as Mero Boise which is the Purples 5th largest area outside of SoCal minus LA County, Phoenix, Vegas, and SLC.

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    13 points rc4915

    Yeah but purple has both people in Wyoming

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    8 points StorerPoet

    Purple has most of the people who live in Utah as well

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    16 points Galumpadump

    Utah only has a population 3.5M people. Less than Metro Seattle.

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    5 points californiaboy2003

    Phoenix is a very large city. (5th largest in the country) Las Vegas is also fairly large and purple also includes Salt Lake City.

    And of course there is San Diego, Orange, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties in SoCal.

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    30 points Lord_Imperatus

    Your numbers are roughly right give or take a couple million but what you're missing is that the purple counties in California cut off like 10-11 million bringing red down to 40ish million which is comparable to all the orange counties

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    25 points P00PooKitty

    There are nearly twice as many people in the northeast corridor (not the northeast states, mind you) as california

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    10 points ClosetedBulbasaur

    Looks like it’s from this site

    Near as I can tell, it’s just looking at the center of each county in terms of lat/long and then counting all of them up until they get to 1/10th the population (from 2018) and then switching to the next color. Probably not optimized, but roughly accurate.

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    135 points cbraun93

    Note that the west coast slice doesn’t include LA. It’s included in the purple slice.

    The northeast slice has half the NYC area and the entire Boston area. The Boston area is sprawly as hell but it’s insanely populous.

    Edit: apparently it DOES include LA county, but nothing east of it. Sorry for my mistake, I’m not a SoCal boy

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    130 points Jondiaz1017

    LA is in the west coast slice, but not all metro LA. Orange & San Bernardino counties are in the purple along with all of San Diego

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    52 points guitar805

    Not quite--LA county is red here, but San Bernardino, Orange County, and San Diego are in the next slice over, and that's a very large portion of the SoCal population overall.

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    4 points Galumpadump

    it's about 10M people in LA County to around 11M in all other SoCal Counties so it's proportional. But the math does math when you look at each regions subsequent larger cities.

    San Francisco Metro 4.6M vs Phoenix Metro 4.8M

    Then things look like that kind of drop off:

    Seattle Metro 4.1M vs SLC CSA 2.8M

    Portland Metro 2.5M vs Las Vegas Metro 2.3M

    Sacramento Metro 2.4M vs Boise Metro 900K

    San Jose Metro 2M vs Spokane CSA 800K

    Red would still have Honolulu with a metro over 1M, Fresno & Bakersfield Counties which are both around 1M people, About 2M people in WA State outside of Seattle and the Portland Metros, etc.

    Not sure how the purple area comes close in population unless this map actually includes Mexico and Canada which than probably includes Tijuana, Juarez, Monterrey, Calgary and Edmonton.

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    8 points StevenMC19

    Los Angeles County is red, bordering a purple spot. It's the furthest, lowest red spot in the Contiguous US. Anaheim and beyond is purple.

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    9 points DogPoetry

    San Diego as well.  Much of Northern and Central CA is quiet sparsely populated. My initial reaction was "hmm" but I can see this being right. 

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    6 points Roguemutantbrain

    I thought this was going to be a take about how the NYC portion of this map must be bigger, proportionally, not smaller lol. 77% of the country is in eastern and central time zones.”

    Jersey is the most densely populated state and New York is the biggest city by a landslide. That regional also includes Boston and tons of smaller cities such as New Haven, Hartford, Providence, and Portland.

    The west coast is much, much less populated than the east coast

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    4 points theexpertgamer1

    Well you’re wrong. Red and orange are roughly equal.

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    7 points AltForObvious1177

    15% of the US lives the Bos-Wash corridor. Most of the west coast is empty af

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    3 points SnooPears5432

    The map looks correct to me. the Los Angeles metro is roughly split between the pink and purple zones. Key population centers in Texas are also split between the blue and pea green sections. The NYC metro is also split between the two right-most sections and Florida's population is also split. CA, NY, TX and FL combined have about 1/3 of the total US population. It's surprising how even it is in terms of vertical strips excepting the blue section.

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    4 points jcdoe

    No way that most of California, Oregon, ad Washington have the same population as parts of Wyoming, Montana, Nevada, and a few other desert states.

    The San Francisco Bay Area has more people than the entire state of Nevada.

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    2 points avinaut

    We've got Inland Empire, Orange County, Las Vegas, Phoenix, some of Salt Lake City, Boise, and Tri-Cities WA/OR in purple, which feels like a stretch, but maybe could almost match LA proper, SF Bay, Portland, Seattle, and Honolulu.

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    2 points AverageSizeWayne

    I’m familiar with the area. It looks to be Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Long Island, New York City, a few counties in Western NJ and Western New York.

    If we look at NYC alone, that’s 8.8 million. Nassau and Suffolk county on Long Island brings it to 11.7 million. Add in Massachusetts, we’re up to 18.8 million. Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire brings it to 22.2 million. Add in Rhode Island and Connecticut. We’re at about 27 million. We need about 5-6 million more people.

    I see Bergen, Hudson, Essex, Monmouth and Ocean counties in NJ. That’s another 3.9 million. So we’re at 30.9 million. Add in Westerchester and Rockland Counties in NY, and we’re at 32.2 million. The remaining counties in Western upstate NY should easily make up the difference. The orange appears right.

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    3 points cowlinator

    it's not the entire west coast. San Diego and half of LA (and metro areas) are in purple

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    22 points Specific-Rich5196

    Its not cut down state lines. NYC is likely in New England and greater LA is split.

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    3 points SpicyTiconderoga

    LA county has a higher population that most states (can’t remember the number but its more than 50% of them)

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  • 200 points FreeVBucksforXMAS

    It looks they got this from this website:

    https://engaging-data.com/splitting-us-by-population/

    It uses 2018 census data

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    87 points jokes_on_you

    There was no census in 2018. It’s based on estimates from the Census Bureau that year though. Not trying to be pedantic, just trying to save others a click.

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    9 points CrazyAstronomer2

    So it’s based on 2010 census data.

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    8 points daryl_hikikomori

    The Census Bureau does updates between decennial censuses. They're less accurate than the big count, but still extremely high quality data.

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    10 points fskier1

    Actually a really fun website to play around with

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    3 points treevaahyn

    Agreed! I’m enjoying it. Splitting up population north to south into 8 or even 10 divisions is quite interesting.

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  • 205 points TheChance

    Red accepts. We'll take purple, too. See y'all around!

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    36 points freeparKing33

    Dark orange does as well. Later gators

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    24 points Excellent_Set_232

    “Us Californians will just have to break off and go hang with Hawai’i.”

    ”Alaska can come too”

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    25 points gpsxsirus

    California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii would make for one hell of a country.

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    4 points combatace08

    Almost went to go find the video to rewatch, but I’m le tired.

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    3 points niomosy

    Well, take a nap.

    THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!

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    4 points Fast-Penta

    Well, sure, you got put in the cool kid group. But what about all us innocent Minnesotans who got lumped in with Louisiana and apart from our drunk twin, Wisconsin? It'd be some Ken Burns brother-against-brother shit.

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  • 243 points Norwester77

    Trying to wrap my head around how a region anchored on Boise, Salt Lake, Phoenix, (EDIT: Las Vegas), San Bernardino, Orange County, and San Diego has as many people as one anchored on Anchorage, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, LA, and Honolulu.

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    36 points Cadet_BNSF

    Pretty sure Phoenix is blue.

    Edit: nvm, mixed it up with Gila country to the northeast

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    38 points MetroBS

    Phoenix is a massive city

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    16 points Galumpadump

    Metro Phoenix is around 4.8 Million people so not really that much more populated than SF or Seattle Metros.

    I think this map is weird because it's hard to tell the cut off in SoCal but I guess San Bernadino County - 2.2M People, Riverside County 2.5M People, Orange County 3.1M People and San Diego County 3.3M People, all kind of anchor the purple area with around 11M people vs around 10M in LA County it's self. So I think its

    LA County 10M vs Rest of SoCal 11M

    San Francisco Metro 4.6M vs Phoenix Metro 4.8M

    Then things look like that kind of drop off:

    Seattle Metro 4.1M vs SLC CSA 2.8M

    Portland Metro 2.5M vs Las Vegas Metro 2.3M

    Sacramento Metro 2.4M vs Boise Metro 900K

    San Jose Metro 2M vs Spokane CSA 800K

    That's 11M to under 7M and that's with look at 2 CSA's to Metros. If you took all the CSA's it's probably more stark with a lot more metros that are Spokane sized in the red. I can't see how this map adds up unless Canadian and Mexican cities are included like another poster alluded to.

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    2 points Galumpadump

    I went and verified the data. We are correct. the purple and red areas are off. LA County should be in the purple for the data to match. Went and looked at the code with a buddy and they found a slight error happened as it went westward. It's all shown in the below.

    https://imgur.com/a/4zKAPhg

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    2 points Norwester77

    Cool. Thanks for checking!

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  • 92 points doob22

    Data?

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    110 points satyrday12

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  • 13 points Par_Lapides

    Trade off the teal in Florida for more of the upper section of green, just so we aren't splitting peninsulas arbitrarily, and this is great. Every decistate has access to an ocean port and the full range of climate. As a Purplestater, I approve.

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  • 11 points Substantial-Cycle355

    finally, Megasota

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  • 42 points Epicycler

    Genuinely curious whether this is accurate. I would expect that it would be more weighted toward the east, but I do see that several of the divisions run directly through major metropolitan areas (NYC, Chicago, DFW/OKC) so like... maybe?

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    11 points kite2233

    It divides ATL too I'm pretty sure

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    5 points Ari-the-Bug

    Green line hits Atlanta, Detroit, and possibly Cincinati metros

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    2 points These_Yzer_Lyon

    Detroit is mostly north of Lake Erie so most of it would fall within the single zone. Looks like the western border is around Toledo and the eastern border is around Cleveland?

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    2 points Galumpadump

    https://engaging-data.com/splitting-us-by-population/

    This is the data that OP used. From looking at it there is no way these are equal splits. Most of California is still in the red even if you take out all of California in the purple you still have around 26M people in the red California section of the red + 4M on the Oregon Red Section + 7M in the Washington State Section of the Red + 2.1M of the Hawaii/Alaska section. No way 40M people live in the purple since the rest of California, Phoenix and Vegas only get you to around 20M.

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    5 points EngagingData

    if you go to the website and click/hover on the map, it tells you the population of each county.

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  • 17 points [deleted]

    Buffalo and Rochester shouldn't be split up like that

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    7 points majormajor42

    But Staten Island and the rest of NYC definitely should be.

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  • 14 points littlegipply

    Alaska be thiccc

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  • 6 points Mekdinosaur

    How is purple even close to the same as red?

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    3 points chiefmud

    Red has bigger big cities. Purple has thousands of small cities in addition to some larger cities

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    2 points Mekdinosaur

    Purple has five or six "cities" and a ton of little towns. Red has a few giant cities, urban sprawl and some small towns. The population of Washington State is larger than Montana, Idaho and Utah combined. Your map might work if you included LA County into the purple. 

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    3 points chiefmud

    Oh I’m so wrong. I was looking at the other purple. My bad. It was a long day

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    2 points Mekdinosaur

    Yah I guess there are a few purps in there lol.

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  • 33 points Throwawayhair66392

    TIL that’s where Alaska and Hawaii are. Had no idea.

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    13 points Norwester77

    At least that’s how big Alaska and Hawaii are.

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    4 points GoldTeamDowntown

    Pretty sure they’re bigger than 1 square centimeter 🙄

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    7 points Normal-Being-2637

    I lived in SW Texas all my life and never visited Hawaii despite it being so damn close smh. I’m also astonished at how Alaska has a perfectly straight east coastline. A true wonder of nature.

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  • 4 points chezegrater

    I've only lived in three, but have been to nine. I'd tell you the color of the one I haven't been to, but I can't describe it other than puke green. Beautiful map.

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  • 5 points Big_Metal2470

    Texas doing a lot of work in that blue section

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  • 9 points Achilles-Foot

    i like this except for whats going on with florida

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  • 9 points randomthrowaway9796

    Aont no way red an purple have the same population, right??? Id guess that red would have 5× the population with the entirety of the west coast

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    4 points Own_Pop_9711

    That purple band surprised me a lot too.

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  • 4 points badwithnames123456

    What happened to this sub?

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  • 3 points SharkeyGeorge

    It would really help if the largest cities were marked.

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  • 4 points SmokeyDawg2814

    Kind of interesting that Tennessee was split almost exactly into its existing three grand divisions.

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  • 8 points satyrday12

    Can OP please make a map of how these 10 states voted in 2024?

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    10 points bcbill

    I believe it would be from left to right: Blue, Red, Red, Red, Blue, Red, Blue, Red, Blue, Blue.

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    2 points Perturabo_Iron_Lord

    I think Green would be red, Illinois was a lot closer than usual this last election and the entire rest of the line went republican.

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    2 points bcbill

    Im pretty confident that dark green would be blue. Illinois obviously but also Lots of blue areas along the Mississippi in Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee. Also both included Minnesota counties are blue.

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    2 points Ameisen

    For presidential?

    54.37:43.47

    In 2020,

    57.54:40.55

    It was only closer, however, as far fewet people voted. 3.062 million voted for Harris, 2.449 million for Trump.

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  • 2 points FemboyFatale7

    Did you split NYC down the middle and somehow up ME in New England?! I'm gonna be sick

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  • 2 points Aztecah

    This doesn't seem very correct

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  • 2 points WhoIsYouIIsMeHuh

    There’s no way the lighter shade of purple and dark green are the same.

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  • 2 points SicWiks

    New England really becoming a GDP stronghold

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    2 points ExcitableAutist42069

    Hell yea

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  • 2 points RadishPerson745

    Purple can't possibly be equal with red. Los Angeles alone has more people than most of the states in the purple area. Phoenix and San Diego can't possibly be big enough to compensate.

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  • 2 points Baked4skin

    Ohio and florida being in the same region, I’d avoid that part all together lol.

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  • 2 points mildly_unpleasant

    Tangerine accepts your proposal

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  • 2 points GlitteringDare9454

    Pink region has the Gulf, Appalachia, and the UP.

    Winner winner.

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  • 2 points JuanldJTrump

    Rainbow land

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  • 2 points Slight_Knight

    Gross another map where I'm lumped in with Nebraska 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽

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  • 2 points SubhumanTruecel100er

    no way purple and red are the same

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  • 2 points CrapoCrapo25

    Republicans still confused.

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  • 2 points ASCIIM0V

    Bullshit purple has as high a population as red. California has more people in it than all of purple and non California red area combined

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  • 4 points heyitsmemaya

    Orange County, CA approves being separate from LA County

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  • 2 points personthatssorandom

    I will name these zones.
    From west to east, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Denver, Houston, Chicago, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Charlotte, Philadelphia, New York.

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  • 2 points iamsy

    California has the population of like 20 states, this map is bunk

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  • 2 points eemort

    I think a horizontal map would be far more interesting (ie informative) this is just a sloppy pairing of low and high density areas into arbitrary groupings generating odd (and misleading) results

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  • 2 points never_shit_ur_pants

    Everything except Florida is perfect here. I wish it were the official states

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  • 1 points No_Hornet_9504

    Is this the hunger games regions?

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  • 1 points rockpuma

    Where/how can I find a map of every county that can be custom colored like this?

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  • 1 points Humble__American

    Crazy that half of the country is west of Purple, when the very western edge of purple is roughly the border between EST and EST

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  • 1 points Stunning_Mediocrity

    How dare you put me in Baja Blast green. You move me to original Mountain Dew green this instant!

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  • 1 points welshfarmer

    lol as much as New Jersey people argue about north/south/central/porkroll/taylorham, we refuse to be broken up! Take that shit away from MA or PA or some other place

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  • 1 points HistoricalRoll9023

    Fuck no

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  • 1 points mikepi1999

    Can you do it horizontally? I’m uncomfortable with the south.

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  • 1 points Appropriate_Type_178

    I wish red was its own country

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  • 1 points APrioriGoof

    What’s going on with this? Why don’t the counties fit together?

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  • 1 points mister2021

    Would be cool to list the square miles of each

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  • 1 points woolsocksandsandals

    I’d accept the new New England state.

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  • 1 points uniquechill

    I really like living in that less-densely populated blue region.

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  • 1 points TheJiggie

    Ain’t no way.

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  • 1 points Decent_Cow

    Southern California is doing a lot of work for purple.

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  • 1 points StayPuffedMarsh

    Great, I’m in the piss yellow region.

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  • 1 points Wonderful-Humor6102

    I wouldn’t mind an all west coast country…

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  • 1 points Quetzalsacatenango

    The first Civil War was North vs. South. The next one will be divided by longitude.

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  • 1 points PaladinSara

    Yeah, I’m not getting grouped with Alabama

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  • 1 points IowaJL

    FUCK YEAH MIMAL REPRESENT

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  • 1 points the_Jockstrap

    the western half of the map is way off. The purple section is some of the most desolate areas and is half the geographic size of the blue to the east. Need to recalculate.

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  • 1 points Active_Confection655

    You can't rope Minnesota in with the trash below it without giving us any help of good in the region. Unacceptable.

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  • 1 points Mattfromwii-sports

    This makes no sense

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  • 1 points Professional_Tank631

    Okay. Now give them 1 vote each.

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  • 1 points Astro-Draftsman

    This is great and all, but why are the counties warped when you zoom in?

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  • 1 points Titty2Chains

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  • 1 points Quick_Extension_3115

    My guy put Stl and Chicago in the same state

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  • 1 points OkAnalysis6176

    Pink is 🐐

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  • 1 points Life_is-Ball

    New England just takes NYC and stays as is otherwise? I'm in

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  • 1 points ExtremeCow2238

    Now do 50 regions

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  • 1 points AGrandNewAdventure

    Driving through the blue section from northeast to southwest is honestly some of the most boring 8-10 hours of driving you all ever do. It is mind numbing.

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  • 1 points Barronsjuul

    New states just dropped. Each get 10 senators, 10 star flag

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  • 1 points texan01

    I live in district 7 right on the line with blue district 8.

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  • 1 points EngRookie

    damn chicagoland just gets bigger every year

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  • 1 points MyVeryclevername

    I would be lumped in with Alabama? Nope

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  • 1 points CaptServo

    The blue one has the most of the top 20 cities and is largest in area. (SA, FW(not D), Austin, OKC and Denver)

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  • 1 points Novace2

    Now do this again but horizontally

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  • 1 points TheGringoOutlaw

    Red is getting carried by LA county and Bay area and Blue is getting carried by the I-35 corridor in Texas.

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  • 1 points 14_EricTheRed

    Hahaha Wisconsin still doesn’t control the whole UP with this

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  • 1 points PirLibTao

    South Florida with the Appalachias is a take

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  • 1 points throwaway847462829

    Shit, I’ve lived in 3 dark green cities my whole life

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  • 1 points Fiveofthem

    Looks like Canada

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  • 1 points KoRaZee

    Doesn’t seem accurate

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  • 1 points HedgerowBustler

    Sign me up for Megafornia.

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  • 1 points dharder9475

    This is the way it should be. 10 separate countries.

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  • 1 points CaptainLee9137

    Need new state names to go with it.

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  • 1 points junk90731

    Now do it my gross income

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  • 1 points laylabombshell

    Stares in Indigenous

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  • 1 points sk8hinb

    ok now let’s see counties shaded for density 😏

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  • 1 points Grimnir_Esjay

    Ngl sounds like something out of a YA Novel during the Hunger Games era

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  • 1 points amalgam_reynolds

    Did you bump into the table? What's with all the little gaps between counties?

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  • 1 points Mega_Hi

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  • 1 points BonesSawMcGraw

    Tf is wrong over there?

    Mmmmmmmmmountains

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  • 1 points SmallRedBird

    Finally, a map with Alaska done to size and almost completely

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  • 1 points atravisty

    I can see my house

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  • 1 points rayhanh248

    Love how nyc is split in half 😭

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  • 1 points quizzlie

    Here i am thinking "Ew, we get Alaska? Oh, we get Hawaii too."

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  • 1 points WiSoSirius

    Why are all the straight county borders and international borders not so here?

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  • 1 points jpollack21

    Shoutout to all my other green grass colored folks out there! We are number 1!!

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  • 1 points septer012

    What the duck, you just made me flyover material?!

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  • 1 points BuddyHolly__

    Which is bigger, blue or red?

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  • 1 points ABasil666

    Skeptical.

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  • 1 points YeshuaSnow

    Maybe I’m stupid, but I’m surprised by basically all of them

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  • 1 points draxes

    Doubt!

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  • 1 points astrojef2099

    Hunger Games theme intensifies

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  • 1 points AllahGold0

    Not very interesting

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  • 1 points itusreya

    Doesn’t really matter at the rate capitol and high paying jobs pinball around the country. Forcing us to all move every few years chasing it.

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  • 1 points MyDadsGlassesCase

    Is this a RAID 0 USA?

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  • 1 points Telemachus70

    Pink rules! Fuck all the other colors. We're gonna win the next 'who wins this war' post.

    PINK! PINK! PINK! PINK!

    FUCK YEAH

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  • 1 points Elliptical_Tangent

    X Doubt

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  • 1 points trunksshinohara

    No way this is even slightly accurate.

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  • 1 points Trans_Girl_Alice

    I'm surprised the purple region is so- oh, I see, you snuck Los Angeles in there, that'd do it

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  • 1 points SquashMarks

    Blue, red, red, red, blue, red, red, blue, blue, blue

    My best guess as to political affiliations

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  • 1 points Dear-Juggernaut-490

    There can't be that many people in the purple section. California could almost stand alone as well.

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  • 1 points MourningWallaby

    Unbreakable New England Spirit. Common Northeast Dub tbh.

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  • 1 points CautiousPercentage49

    Tucson is finally free from Phoenix!

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  • 1 points darthmidoriya

    Red zone supremacy

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  • 1 points unknownchild

    i feel it i live in a border county and it feels like theye dont belong in the same map sometimes

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  • 1 points Vir-Invisus

    I love that dark green is ~90% of the Mississippi River or the state of BIGsissippi

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  • 1 points HairyDadBear

    Do I get big house if I'm in blue? I want big house.

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  • 1 points poindexterg

    Interestingly, this splits up Dallas and Fort Worth

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