Find the thoughest looking Ukrainean soldier, preferably the one with weird runic symbols on his shoulders, and ask his opinion on Jews and trans people.
See there's a difference though. CSA was built on racism. There are racists in Ukraine but Ukraine was not built on racism and the belittling of others. CSA was built ENTIRELY on the backs of other humans and is an inherently racist institution. Meaning that ANYONE. Who supports CSA is racist and there can be no exception to that rule aside from people who don't understand the topic. Ukraine is just a country built on the fact that it's been there a while
Well see, they're inventing incorrect reasons for people calling the confederates racist in order to try to hide the very real reasons why people are calling the confederates racists.
Honestly, I think that's for the best. If you can't understand a bigot's thought process, that means that you don't understand their brand of bigotry - and that's a good thing.
Whenever someone tries to defend Confederacy, ask them "States rights to do what?". And also remind them that Annoying Orange lived longer than their "proud country"
"I never mentioned slavery, but since you did, the guy who founded the confederacy said it was because they wanted to keep slavery, all the state constitutions and the main one said it was to keep slavery, and they seceded the moment a president got elected who SUGGESTED that he MIGHT put limits on slavery."
He spoke about Russia in general there are plenty of other groups besides Rusich and Wagner that are neo Nazis.
Only reason Azov came about was because Russia invaded and proceeded to cry about Azov. Ukrainians joined Azov cause they were the biggest antagonist to Russia.
Ohh, found a vatnik in the wild! I didn't know you guys still do the "Ukraine = Nazis" bullshit but I guess the nature of propaganda is to be relentless.
Anyway, do you know if these Russians have been sent to the meat grinder denazify Ukraine?
You can find pictures of soldier with nazi iconography in just about any army. They are massive orientations with tens of thousands of members. You will get a couple nazis
“Just gonna leave this here..” you really thought you were a big shot with that one. Also how does 2 dozen people mean that country is full of Nazis lmao
Were the other languages/races allowed to exist peacefully or were they treated like shit sojack? what was it again the states were fighting for the right to do?
I can't forget this. I saw people killed with axes and knives. They had their hands and legs chopped off, their heads split open, their ears cut off, their tongues torn out, their eyes gouged out, their bellies ripped open, and their intestines spilled out. Women had their breasts cut off. They didn't even spare the babies. I saw a little child with its head smashed against the wall. I remember an old woman standing over her daughter's massacred body, telling her to get up and put on the coat she had brought, because it was cold and time to go home.
~Danuta Konieczna
If Ukraine has history, this is part of Ukraine history. Ukiranian hurt enormous number of Poles in this way. This was real evil nationalism. Ukraine need support and respect, because its only way to free people from criminal ideologies and sentiment regarding the history of genocide. But thinking that Ukraine never hurt anyone is completly lack of history knowledge. Stepan Bandera is nowadays Ukrainian national hero.
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
-Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the CSA
And don't forget about the articles of secession from each Confederate state, all of which label slavery as the main cause for why they attempted to split off.
It was never about "state's rights." If it was, it's a funny coincidence that the traitors themselves never mentioned the idea until after the war
Confederate States of America, a short-lived country formed by some states of Southern US. The CSA seceded from the United States over, let's say, disagreements on slavery, resulting in the iconic American Civil War.
We had a bunch of rural states go into revolt about 150ish years ago because their aristocracy wanted to continue holding slaves and more industrialized and educated Northern states opposed slavery. This lasted for about 4-5 years before being put down, but rebel agents were unfortunately able to murder the president, resulting in the reconstruction efforts going incomplete. Because of this, there remain to this day many people who base their entire identity on a failed revolt
I could possibly be imagining things, but there seems to be a weird love/hate relationship horseshoe with right-wing southerners and Tankies. By which I mean they say they hate eachother, but they tend to, in actuality, get along pretty dang well.
For example about a week ago I saw a chain in r/stupidpol where multiple people were pushing an obscure Lost Cause narative, while flipping out about r/politics, crying about how redditors want to apparently genocide white southerners.
Seceding from a larger political body isn’t the problem, it’s WHY that’s important. Ukraine left the USSR and wants to remain an independent country (also they were already a thing prior to the USSR anyway) , that’s a perfectly legitimate reason. The confederacy wanted to secede specifically so they would still be allowed to own slaves, that’s not a good reason.
Places have civil wars and split into different nations all the time and places homogenize and merge into larger countries, then split back up again. Those things in and of themselves can exist for both good and bad reasons. The WHY is the most import part, and Ukraine has a hell of a lot better reason than the confederacy ever had.
To claim they’re remotely the same thing is rather tone deaf and ignores the historical context behind both situations.
It is true, many natives fought for the confederation at that time and today a new confederation would be very diverse and could perfectly be a multicultural nation.
It’s funny how they didn’t even try to equate the arguments over defending Ukraine to the arguments in favor of the Confederacy. Also “CSA is ethnically diverse” is a hysterical argument in favor of a country fighting for the ability to enslave black people
Ethnic Ukrainian (althought not living there, but ok) here. The name Ukraine had been mentioned in maps and chronicles since atleast 1187 (quote from the Kyiv Manuscript regarding the death and funeral of knyaz Volodymyr Glibovych: "...and Ukraine was much sorrowful for him"/"о нем же Оукраина много постона") in some variation (Oukraine, Ruthenia, the Kyivan Rus, Roksolania, etc.). This is a really good article by historian Danylo Stazenko about the topic: https://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2021/04/6/159278/
As far as the language and the cultural differences between Ukraine and Russia go, those were recorded by scholars during the 18th century boom in ethnology, linguists and literary romanticism. Sure a lot of those findings were censored by the Russian authorities (with a lot of scholars frequently ending in imperial gulags), but, one only needs to look at scholars from western Ukraine, which was a part of Austria Hungary and had no issues regarding such censorship. Taking all of this into consideration, the concept of Ukraine and Russia being one and the same is truly baffling to me.
LMAO this just in a secessionist movement that seceded because of issues directly relating to wanting to keep slaves is the same as a problematic nation defending itself from a nation problematic in all the same ways and then some more
Wow! I had no idea the confederacy was multilingual! Lemme guess, their official languages were 'Murican, Obesese, Riflese, French Friese, and Incestish?
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Harry Turtledove is listening, somewhere, very pleased.
Find the thoughest looking Ukrainean soldier, preferably the one with weird runic symbols on his shoulders, and ask his opinion on Jews and trans people.
See there's a difference though. CSA was built on racism. There are racists in Ukraine but Ukraine was not built on racism and the belittling of others. CSA was built ENTIRELY on the backs of other humans and is an inherently racist institution. Meaning that ANYONE. Who supports CSA is racist and there can be no exception to that rule aside from people who don't understand the topic. Ukraine is just a country built on the fact that it's been there a while
"If you seek out the most racist Ukrainian, they will be racist."
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Well see, they're inventing incorrect reasons for people calling the confederates racist in order to try to hide the very real reasons why people are calling the confederates racists.
Honestly, I think that's for the best. If you can't understand a bigot's thought process, that means that you don't understand their brand of bigotry - and that's a good thing.
Whenever someone tries to defend Confederacy, ask them "States rights to do what?". And also remind them that Annoying Orange lived longer than their "proud country"
“The states rights to make their own decisions!”
Okay, to make decisions about what?
"There was more to it than slavery for why we..."
"I never mentioned slavery, but since you did, the guy who founded the confederacy said it was because they wanted to keep slavery, all the state constitutions and the main one said it was to keep slavery, and they seceded the moment a president got elected who SUGGESTED that he MIGHT put limits on slavery."
Get Douglass'd
"So if it wasn't about slavery, it was slavery ADJACENT, at least."
Theyd probably respond. "And Lincoln said if he could end the civil war without freeing a single slave, he would."
IIRC the CSA actually banned their states from abolition, so that's an even funnier claim.
“The CSA exists because states have the right to be sovereign and not bow to the federal government!”
CSA proceeds to invade neutral states
That Goobus video ruined all of their arguments in the most hilarious way possible.
I’ve seen annoying orange used as a nickname for Trump so often I didn’t realize you were talking about the real annoying orange at first.
Golden Girls lasts longer than the Confederacy. They are a bigger part of our heritage than the CSA.
The Snyderverse lasted just over twice as long as the Confederacy.
My depression lasted almost three times as long as the Confederacy.
Canned tuna can last longer too.
Also, ask them to read the Declarations of Cause out loud. Self-determination is only mentioned to uphold the institution of slavery.
Wtf is this comparison? Holy shit.
https://preview.redd.it/d4u5w9yx3mlf1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49138b2688d24eefa0bde81a1f4d2aeb5cee15ff
Just gonna leave this here..
Ah yes, by this logic, Russia should invade the states as well /s
https://preview.redd.it/bqpg0wh91nlf1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b5936fe9ce1b47b0881e1f5e67ece1beb621fa2
Oh yes, because of one squad, a whole country of over 30 million people is full of Nazis. /s
One?
Yes only one. This has been confirmed for years now. lol. Try looking at the facts before opening that drop filled mouth next time
Russia also has a massive Nazi problem. They have a literal Nazi mercenary group deployed in Ukraine and Africa
PMC Wagner isn't exactly nazi (though they are far-right alright), but ДШРГ "Русич" is pretty damn close to being nazi
He spoke about Russia in general there are plenty of other groups besides Rusich and Wagner that are neo Nazis.
Only reason Azov came about was because Russia invaded and proceeded to cry about Azov. Ukrainians joined Azov cause they were the biggest antagonist to Russia.
Oh yes, Azov wasn't even a thing until the Donbas war began
Yup, ironically they're also the Russian speaking people Russia said it was going to "liberate"
I remember their main Commander (who died, rip bozo) having two ss drawings on his chest
https://preview.redd.it/gjip8v6y4olf1.jpeg?width=290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0c250411ef3639cb8041ed82e6974de486f1c0a
You must have had a lot of fun in Bucha
Ohh, found a vatnik in the wild! I didn't know you guys still do the "Ukraine = Nazis" bullshit but I guess the nature of propaganda is to be relentless.
Anyway, do you know if these Russians have been sent to
the meat grinderdenazify Ukraine?https://preview.redd.it/jr0esos4jrlf1.jpeg?width=528&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60208816d901dd554e983713a28ddfc1aecd452c
iirc this image is actually fake
Just gonna leave this here...
https://preview.redd.it/2eiuqi5ezrlf1.jpeg?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96974fd108495e2b870f40a44d4ae741f72d00b4
So time to invade Russia?
god, what's with biowaste taking emblems that go hard as all hell (bottom)
Probably all of these guys are dead by now. This unit basically fought to the end and Russia keeps killing the POWs
You can find pictures of soldier with nazi iconography in just about any army. They are massive orientations with tens of thousands of members. You will get a couple nazis
“Just gonna leave this here..” you really thought you were a big shot with that one. Also how does 2 dozen people mean that country is full of Nazis lmao
Here comes r/memesopdidntlike to think were all crazy
Always one step behind
The entire point of that sub is repost stuff from here and be really racist about it
Were the other languages/races allowed to exist peacefully or were they treated like shit sojack? what was it again the states were fighting for the right to do?
States rights to ... to ... to ... farming equipment!
"Agricultural Internships"
The difference is Ukraine isn't fighting for the right to own slaves
CSA so pathetic the wait for WLR and IAM was longer than it's entire existence
I have no idea what those funny words mean
Lmao the loser larpers really care about their insurrectionist state that existed for less time than some of the underwear I own.
The South should have burned.
People who defend the confederacy will always baffle me.
Culture war goes brrrrrr
UKRAINE never hurt anyone
The confederacy on the other hand....
Didn't everyone agree that slavery was bad? If your culture was defending slavery then no wonder you were annihilated
https://preview.redd.it/hpy9r2bzmmlf1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=714f328e0045c621f2e1c192544c7556df13f9e1
I can't forget this. I saw people killed with axes and knives. They had their hands and legs chopped off, their heads split open, their ears cut off, their tongues torn out, their eyes gouged out, their bellies ripped open, and their intestines spilled out. Women had their breasts cut off. They didn't even spare the babies. I saw a little child with its head smashed against the wall. I remember an old woman standing over her daughter's massacred body, telling her to get up and put on the coat she had brought, because it was cold and time to go home.
~Danuta Konieczna
If Ukraine has history, this is part of Ukraine history. Ukiranian hurt enormous number of Poles in this way. This was real evil nationalism. Ukraine need support and respect, because its only way to free people from criminal ideologies and sentiment regarding the history of genocide. But thinking that Ukraine never hurt anyone is completly lack of history knowledge. Stepan Bandera is nowadays Ukrainian national hero.
How was the south particularly multi-lingual? Every state was awash in immigration.
-Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the CSA
And don't forget about the articles of secession from each Confederate state, all of which label slavery as the main cause for why they attempted to split off.
It was never about "state's rights." If it was, it's a funny coincidence that the traitors themselves never mentioned the idea until after the war
Ukrainian here
Americans fascinate me sometimes, mostly in not-so-good ways.
American here
Americans disturb me. I'm too tired to be fascinated.
Ah yes, the people that fought for state's rights to keep slavery and then founded the kkk.
Democrats. /s
Ukraine is being invaded by a foreign expansionist military with the intention of annexation…
What's CSA?
Confederate States of America
Cock Sucking Americans.
Child Sexual Assault?
Yes, but in this case most likely not.
Chad Sam Arnold?
Owners frequently raped their slaves so yes, that too.
...why am I not surprised?
It was about literally owning people after all.
Confederate States of America, a short-lived country formed by some states of Southern US. The CSA seceded from the United States over, let's say, disagreements on slavery, resulting in the iconic American Civil War.
Confederate States of America.
I'm too European to understand this.
We had a bunch of rural states go into revolt about 150ish years ago because their aristocracy wanted to continue holding slaves and more industrialized and educated Northern states opposed slavery. This lasted for about 4-5 years before being put down, but rebel agents were unfortunately able to murder the president, resulting in the reconstruction efforts going incomplete. Because of this, there remain to this day many people who base their entire identity on a failed revolt
I could possibly be imagining things, but there seems to be a weird love/hate relationship horseshoe with right-wing southerners and Tankies. By which I mean they say they hate eachother, but they tend to, in actuality, get along pretty dang well.
For example about a week ago I saw a chain in r/stupidpol where multiple people were pushing an obscure Lost Cause narative, while flipping out about r/politics, crying about how redditors want to apparently genocide white southerners.
Caught me right the heck off guard.
Wait… the person who made this meme doesn’t know the difference between Ukraine and Confederates? That’s concerning
The lifespan of the Wii U lasted longer than the Confederacy.
Seceding from a larger political body isn’t the problem, it’s WHY that’s important. Ukraine left the USSR and wants to remain an independent country (also they were already a thing prior to the USSR anyway) , that’s a perfectly legitimate reason. The confederacy wanted to secede specifically so they would still be allowed to own slaves, that’s not a good reason.
Places have civil wars and split into different nations all the time and places homogenize and merge into larger countries, then split back up again. Those things in and of themselves can exist for both good and bad reasons. The WHY is the most import part, and Ukraine has a hell of a lot better reason than the confederacy ever had.
To claim they’re remotely the same thing is rather tone deaf and ignores the historical context behind both situations.
I wonder what they did with all that ✨diversity ✨
Why is the Nazi trying to defend child sexual assault?
CSA is nothing because it hasn't existed in over 150 years
Yeah, if Ukraine started suddenly proselytizing about it’s right to enslave its own people I would be very concerned.
So did Ukraine had slaves too?
The ancient ukrainian superstate used anatolian slaves to dig out reservoirs in 5000 BC. They would later be named Black and Caspian seas
These people really don't understand how assimilationist the confederacy was do they?
One wants slavery.
If they want to secede so bad let them, we'll just kick their asses like we did last time.
It is true, many natives fought for the confederation at that time and today a new confederation would be very diverse and could perfectly be a multicultural nation.
Did the confederacy ever get invaded and bombed by a dictatorship trying to erase their culture? Jesus christ..
It’s funny how they didn’t even try to equate the arguments over defending Ukraine to the arguments in favor of the Confederacy. Also “CSA is ethnically diverse” is a hysterical argument in favor of a country fighting for the ability to enslave black people
Ask them why they fly the confederate battle flag and not the confederate flag
country gets invaded, defends itself GRRR WHY CANT YOU JUST GIVE UP AND LET YOUR NATION DIE
the slavery country They just wanted their freedom, who are we to take that away?
Obligatory states rights to do WHAT?
For some reason I thought CSA was “child sexual assault” and was even more horrified
I think they meant to write that the CSA was."
Do anybody knows how is called that wintrr mask of the ukrain militar?
Balaclava
The way it shares its acronym with something equally heinous must not be overlooked.
yikes
'ETHNICALLY DIVERSE'
The state’s are not sovereign.
Ethnic Ukrainian (althought not living there, but ok) here. The name Ukraine had been mentioned in maps and chronicles since atleast 1187 (quote from the Kyiv Manuscript regarding the death and funeral of knyaz Volodymyr Glibovych: "...and Ukraine was much sorrowful for him"/"о нем же Оукраина много постона") in some variation (Oukraine, Ruthenia, the Kyivan Rus, Roksolania, etc.). This is a really good article by historian Danylo Stazenko about the topic: https://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2021/04/6/159278/ As far as the language and the cultural differences between Ukraine and Russia go, those were recorded by scholars during the 18th century boom in ethnology, linguists and literary romanticism. Sure a lot of those findings were censored by the Russian authorities (with a lot of scholars frequently ending in imperial gulags), but, one only needs to look at scholars from western Ukraine, which was a part of Austria Hungary and had no issues regarding such censorship. Taking all of this into consideration, the concept of Ukraine and Russia being one and the same is truly baffling to me.
Well…
Ukraine doesn’t use slaves
(The point is quite possibly one of the worst I have EVER seen)
OH thank fuck I didn't see the sub name and I thought this was genuine
again with neonazis using the wrong confederate flag lol
https://preview.redd.it/ozxbbtafqgmf1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b1842dcfd70654ea7625ff3d9a971fe81bb6666
Fuck the confederate bourgeoisie.
-sincerely, Unionist Appalachia
Yep, it definitely doesn't have anything to do with all the slaves the confederates owned.
LMAO this just in a secessionist movement that seceded because of issues directly relating to wanting to keep slaves is the same as a problematic nation defending itself from a nation problematic in all the same ways and then some more
And to think Ukrainians are even more racist than the confederates lol.
Yes. Yes, they were. They were exactly that.
Uh...forgot the slavery
Wow! I had no idea the confederacy was multilingual! Lemme guess, their official languages were 'Murican, Obesese, Riflese, French Friese, and Incestish?
You're too late, LIBERAL. For I, have drawn myself as the CHAD and YOU as the soyjack! Mwahhhahahah
Even if the latter was true, which it most certainly isn't, i have a feeling that wouldn't be the reason someone would call the CSA racist...
Ukraine is russia, nothing more to it, Ukrainian is just a different name, but both people are the EXACT SAME PERSON