Stalled with Ten Hag contract now spat his dummy out when challenged by Amorim.
What good decision has he made in the job? Him and Berrada will be sat trying to remember what plans were in place at city so they can just try and rob them and implement them at United.
What about our culture? Our history?
Of all the premier league winners and legends we have had in the past, it blows my mind that we have somehow ended up with Jason Wilcox having such a huge role at the club,
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The only good thing to ever come out of Leeds
Rio Ferdinand also came from Leeds
As did Joe Jordan, Gordon McQueen and Dennis Irwin, all class players
He’s a hammer
His youth started at West Ham to be fair.
Unlike Cantona who was famously a Leeds academy player.
lol 😂
What? Cantona was in his mid twenties when he was on loan at Leeds.
Whoosh
Oh… shite. Yeah should have woken up first.
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Rio Ferdinand?
Lmao you edited your comment ffs. Have some dignity you clown
You said word for word "he came from west ham"
Okay, so two things. You can have Rio. Who else did we sign from them recently? Alan Smith doesn't fall into this category
Hate Leeds Scums, but to be fair we also received the most transfer out sum for a player since 2021 from Leeds, Dan James. Record that was only broken by the departure of McTominay and later by Garnacho.
That's more an example of just how shite we've been at selling our unwanted players for a decent price though, more than Leeds doing us any sort of favour
Yeah, imagine getting just a fraction more for McTominay compared to Dan James. Shite business acumen!
Alan Smith was mint for United. Had a major injury throwing himself at a Liverpool shot from a free kick. Was a fantastic servant to the club. He's definitely on the list in my eyes
And the M62
And Smudge
The mighty Alan smith
If you think you can compare the two you are deluded
Get him boosted.
What’s the problem? Why would this ex Leeds and Blackburn player, and ex Man City U18s coach, who was born and raised in Bolton, not have the best interests of Manchester United at heart?
You think he puts his career in jeopardy to sabotage a rival team? Is he ten years old?
I think people are just being tongue-in-cheek.
And it's not like these clowns couldn't easily go and get another similar job anyway.
Satire my friend. But, 10 year olds who do a bad job or fall out with their bosses or peers while on fuck-off contracts, and then consequently get sacked and get a multi-million pound severance package (like Ashworth’s £4m), and still remain very employable, preferably at a club you partially give 2 shits about or mildly like, are pretty smart 10 years olds. Wouldn’t call that career jeopardy, more like a lottery win.
It’s not just Wilcox. It’s a shit show end to end at this club.
Maybe not, but you have individuals running around, flapping their gums about "knowing the Manchester United way" and "knowing the mentality of the club". Nice hypocrite moves. But you seem like the type to keep falling for glazernomics and the occasional FA cup.
So only ex players can understand this complicated “United way”
You missed /s mate
My God You Are you Dense
It's satire numbnuts
You're the dense one
Damn! You are so creative. Anyway cry more hehe
Got nothing to cry about. Meanwhile you're doubling down on your complete misread of the thread.
Van Der Sar would've been a good candidate to bring in when the got Ten Hag from Ajax. But the dummies didn't even think of him. He had health issues and I hope he's well.
With his qualifications and experience working at Ajax with such a pivotal role in recruiting and building teams, that would've come in really handy. I'd take him over Wilcox any day. A legend that actually has the pedigree to do some good work instead of just whining and criticising coaches on sky.
He was CEO, you're literally just making stuff up.
Yep Overmars was doing that job until he got caught being a dirty boy.
I agree it’s a worry, the next 18 months to 2 years are massive to whether we take steps forward or remain middling.
Yet to see a success story for Berrada and Wilson, just good will at best.
The next 2+ years, after this decision, are lost . The remainder of this with the interim being a waste of time. Then 18 months of bedding in the next managers ideas with the help of that footballing icon Wilcox.
I know how the fuck have we ended up with this absolute no mark making decisions in our club. Bang average player who played for mediocre clubs wtf
He has won more PL titles than Steven Gerrard.
You don’t have to have had a world class playing career to be useful to a clubs management. Jose Mourinho proves that nicely.
Lmao u guys crack me up. It’s just gonna be hype for 6 months then once permanent contract signs United will be dog shit and it’s either the “system” or hoofing it to our best player and pillar him for not scoring every game.
Then suddenly the manager is “not good enough” and the cycle repeats.
Knock on effects on our two best players too - good luck getting Amad and Mbeumo link up on the right hand side playing a 433 or 4231 😩
Chatting with mates and the only way is play Mbeumo and Cunha up top and Amad on the right….Sesko on for the last 20…buuut that leaves Bruno in CM….Cunha on the left and Bruno and Mbuemo? Is there a balance or else we just have actual talent on the bench….this season with no European football minutes are limited
4-1-2-3, play Amad as one of the 2, Mbeumo at RW.
I feel like that would get run over quickly, but thats just me.
Yeah that one is a bit of a FIFA formation
Tell me you don't watch Fletcher's team without telling me you don't watch his team...
Yeah I'll admit I don't, I used to watch all the youth and reserve games but don't really have the time anymore. He really plays that with the u18s? I still think theres a difference between that and doing it in the prem tbh.
Amad has been deployed on the left in games this season, I'm sure he'll do fine there. This is just the same as when we had Martial and Rashford in the same squad and Rashford wound up playing more on the right for a bit.
Competition is good. We want to be in a place where the players biggest challenge of the week is to perform well enough in training to make the team. What would you have said when we had Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, and ole for two striker spots?
for a club to succeed the ownership, directors, and coaches need to be aligned, for our club somehow ownership only cares about money, directors are fragile man children, and managers are constantly scapegoated
for amorim’s case, they said they backed the manager, told the fanbase they have a long term project and then backtracked and imploded it and now we have another chalked season
for eth, again either should’ve kept him till the end of the season before sacking him or sacked him after the cup win another case of no plans no direction zero scouting
ole was going somewhere before it became vibes football and the ridiculous signing of ronaldo
we are not a serious football club anymore
reminds me of the moon knight meme saying ‘random bullshit go’
The ETH Amorim situations shout, “I have a boss who won’t shut the fuck up and I’m trying to validate my job by invalidating the manager.”
Our transfer strategy has come on leaps and bounds since he and Berrada arrived. Amorim wasn’t getting results and had shown no signs that he was going to make it work. He refused to do the United thing of playing academy players. If you think a number 8 coming in would have fixed his season then you’re dreaming.
I agree re transfers, I disagree re making it work.
True. I agree with your post. But he can still be a twat.
He's clearly been appointed above his ability because Ratcliffe likes him. Circus.
If our next manager fails, Wilcox will be sacked and replaced.
Still can't understand how he's ended up in the position he's in
Were you all saying this when Jason Wilcox was first appointed or is it just because dear Amorim has been sacked? Serious question.
We're constantly being hit over the head with 'Best in Class'. When in actual fact, the likes of Berrada, Wilcox etc al. haven't shown us anything even remotely resembling 'Best in Class'. Nowhere near
I'm just waiting for evidence that he has any idea what he's doing
He was appointed as a Techincal Director completely different role to what he is doing now since Ashworth was sacked.
He was around for Amorim appointment, we have little information on whether he went along with it or backed it.
What we do know is he has been opposed to MU all his footballing life until now, he’s given direct tactical advice/ demands to two consecutive managers in ETH and now Amorim. He’s been internally promoted and bringing in his mates around him.
It’s fair to be skeptical about it. I’d be happy to sit here in 5 years and be massively wrong.
Are you implying that he’s infiltrated and purposefully sabotaging ManUtd 😂😂 brother people care more about their professional success in their own lives than tribal football support.
90% of this sub would gladly have ManUtd not win a PL for the next 3 years if it meant a promotion at their current job and the 10% who wouldn’t are dumb and/or jobless.
It isn’t fair to be skeptical because this is peak conspiracy nonsense.
these people are adults, working in real businesses. There are people who care about rivalries, but they are also ambitious and want to work for big clubs
Have you watched ted lasso ? /s
Thanks for the explanation
he isn’t qualified to do either job
We should also appoint carragher as a manager, he could turn things around
I’m saying it as Amorim has done more for us than I’ve seen Wilcox do.
What gives this man the right to tell Amorim how to set a football team up?
Amorim wasn't some relative novice like OGS. He had transformed Sporting, won two titles, and was top of the Champions League table when he left the club after a 4-1 win over Pep's City.
Jason Wilcox was a chubby little winger who had a fair to average playing career and has no management experience whatsoever.
And people wonder why Amorim was 'emotional' when Wilcox lied about making signings and instead started trying to interfere with the team's setup
A fkn ex-Morris dancer, in charge at Utd 🤦♂️
People who talk about win percentage should also talk about the team he inherited from Erik ten Hag. They should see what he was dealing with Sancho Rashford Garnacho no left back, no proper right back, no wing back and a constant negative frame of mind inside the club and outside the club . I totally believe that nobody with the amount of pressure will be given enough time to have any proper rebuild after this Ruben Amorim did 30% of the things to rebuild this club and the club board failed for Jason Wilcox. The club made absolute embarrassment of themselves when they went for Amorim at the first place knowing Manchester United is not meant to play that formation. I do not understand. How are these people up in the board of Manchester United are there without any credibility to them.
I always feel there will be more problems when Ashworth was sacked. I think Ashworth knows that the owners will never be able to back Amorim and hence he feels that hiring Amorim will backfire and he was right. Why appoint a manager that plays a different system but listen to Wilcox when Amorim prioritized the midfield more than the striker ?
Amorim wanted a midfielder first before a striker and he wanted an experienced epl striker with Hojlund still at the club but Wilcox prefer a striker first and loaned out Hojlund. The owner listens to him more than a manager who trains the players on a daily basis.
Well, now we all know the midfield is an issue and Amorim is to blame ? This club will never learn.
All the names thrown here.... When thees thousands/millions even offered to you would turn the other way..............😕
Yeah they also need to be thought about considering they made decisions on previous things that they messed up.
I mean he did win a premier league tbf to him
Maybe you should read what happened…
https://www.reddit.com/r/ManchesterUnited/s/4B5tiqGtq3
I have. And?
Wilcox knew he was a 3-4-2-1 manager and that has always been clear to everyone.
Amorim knows we need to overhaul the squad and Wilcox (pally with the owner and wanting to save money) wouldn’t back him in the rebuild that again, everyone knows we need. Not only do we need it - everyone has been crying it for it!
The manager was brought to do something , he was trying to do it, the board didn’t back him .
Well that is absolute BS given the club have spent over 250mil on players for Amorim so far. How has the board not back him? Which other managers that finish 16th and fail to beat the 17th place team in a EL final to get into the CL get backed to the tune of 250mil? Not backed? lol
I dont think you have read the article, or chose to ignore the fact it says...
"Wilcox said he wanted to work through the issues, evolving the squad over time but sticking with Amorim"
Key words - evolve over time. It has nothing to do with "saving money". There just isnt the money there to fix everything in the timeframe Amorim seems to be demanding.
And re him being a "3-4-2-1 " manager? Is he really that limited? He only knows one way to setup? Amoirm said last week that he realizes that he doesn't have the personal for his system. As per the article, he was training the team to play with four at the back and did so v Newcastle and Bournemouth, in periods and we looked good. He then reverted back to 3-4-2-1 v Wolves and we were turgid - likley to try and prove his system works, but he failed.
From the article, as you clearly have not read/understood...
Wilcox suggested to Amorim that the players were struggling to gain trust in his 3-4-2-1 system and had become confused over his vision. Amorim would train the team in a back four, only for a back three to be selected in games.
You haven’t said anything new.
Do we need to overhaul the squad? Are there numerous players and positions that need upgrading?
The answer is yes and the manager wanted to make that happen to improve us.
Look at Jose, Rangnick, Ole… all made it clear what they wanted - even Moyes ffs and none of them backed fully or correctly. Add Amorim to the list.
No, we dont need to "overhaul the squad".
We likely need 3 or 4 new players to get us seriously contending in the top 4.
Everyone wants to improve the squad, but there isn't the money there to do it right now.
So suck it up and make the best of what you have, like the majority of PL managers will have to do this January.
You have no clue what you are talking about....
And why must all manager be backed to the tune of hundreds of millions?
What happened to making your current squad better?
Keith Andrews comes into Brentford having lost their two best forwards and their captain, and has to follow Thomas Frank. He has never been a full time manager, only a set peice coach and an assistent in the lower leagues. Brentford spent next to nothing this summer and he has them one point behind United with and equal goal difference.
So stop crying about Amorim, who got £220mil of new players last summer, not being backed, including two of the top goalscorers in the PL.
Fact is, Amorim isn't a good coach. The only way he can make it work is if he has vastly superior players that his opposition. That is how he won titles at Sporting - he had the best squad by far.
Remind me. Who did Amorim make any better at United?
Four players!! We can’t even sign one ffs 😂😂😂 Semenyo went to city and left us scratching around for who was next on the list. Is that the managers fault too ?
Well, when I saw his Sporting team take apart city in the champions league I can’t remember him having a wildly better team. What I do remember is that he had ripped that sporting squad up and make it his own.
At the time that was clearly what he was hired to do here - only for a rug pull by the board.
Your football knowledge is shocking!
If you were Semenyo, would you come to United and play left wing back? The fact that United were even trying to go in for Semenyo shows ambition. And it shows they were willing to put another player on the credit card to back Amoirm. What they wont do though is bring in stop gap players, which really all that is available this window. The likes of Ruben Neves.
Lets remember, City were going through a crisis then. Lost 4 and drew 1 in November. But if you want to base your opinion on Amorim on that one game, fine. City were also thumped 4-0 at home a week later to Spurs, which must make Big Ange a top manager too.
The same Big Ange that adapted his system and beat Amorim 3 times last season. Maybe if Amorim wanted more backing, he could have adapated to win that EL final?
What are you even talking about? How was Amoirm in any way deceived at United? How was the rug pulled?
The club have backed him financially and with support in the media. Most managers would have been sacked long ago for finishing 16th in the league. The afore mentioned Big Ange was, despite a cup win and CL qualification.
As per the article that you didnt read - probably because its behind a paywall and you're broke - Wilcox offered to work with Amoirm to "evolve the squad over time "
Love how you go quiet re about other manager not getting backed when i produce the numbers.
And im still waiting to hear about that one player that improved under Amorim at United?
Oh zamn it's Lee Mack
Thats Premier League winner Jason Wilcox to you, mate
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The club did ok with this former Manchester City and Liverpool player.
I’ve seen some shit on here but trying to force a comparison between Sir Matt Busby and Jason Wilcox is definitely up there.
why is no1 questioning the fact that they had argument on Friday and before sunday it was agreed he would go between the monarchy (berrada, wilcox, Jim), but then still allowed him to take charge on Sunday. why go through all that....
Thought that was Lee Bowyer at first
Jason Wilcox also won the premier league
Shocking times.
Lee mack?
Amorim had to go either way, absolute sunken cost fallacy the people that wanted to stick with the man on half the win record compared to every other manager we've had, first good decision he makes regardless of reasons.
I understand he might fuck up the next appointment but the first step to solving the current problem was getting rid of Mr 31% win rate
But we have improved quite a lot ! Not only are we well on track for Europe, which was the aim this season, we have done it by improving almost every metric that matters.
15th! Man Utd finished 15th in the league with this guy in charge. Don’t leave that out of your assessment. A chimpanzee should improve on that. And that we’re now at the top end of an extremely congested mid table region (closer to 16th than 3rd) is not as much of an improvement as you’re implying.
He could have done much better. I think the new signings are to praise for United's current position. Amorim is very arrogant tactically and the squad has suffered because of that. Too defensive and no fluidity in the play. Sesko and Cunha are having to do a lot of heavy lifting in getting the ball up the field since the midfield is lacking tremendously. But that's what you get when you play 5 defenders and 2 holding mids. Hopefully Fletcher calls up some youth academy midfielders and brings some life into the team.
Too defensive but one of the top scoring teams in the league.
Win % is not a useful way to judge a manager who is trying to overhaul a team. Man U probably has the 5th or 6th best squad in the Prem. They're in 6th place, and look more cohesive and solid than last season. Amorim is charismatic and the players were playing for him. He got sacked for back chatting the board. It's a bad idea to boot the surgeon out half way through the operation cause it hurt too much.
his job is to win games m8
Yeah. Not win games last season
he didn't win games this season either, worse than Rangnick your standards are down the drain, thank god it doesn't matter and the guy is gone
United are sixth. He wasn't sacked for bad results. He bad mouthed Ineos. United have a midtable squad and are in midtable. Glasner is midtable with his midtable squad too. Things can only get better!
Nobody would score last year except bruno, tell us mr. win rate how do you win a game without scoring? and Onana doing everything he can to help the opponent
Amorim might have not have worked out in the end anyway but to blame his results on his tactics alone is clueless
No one has ever been remotely that bad, ever
Clueless to defend him when he clearly refused to try anything different and just kept losing doing the same thing again and again, also got 230mill in the summer and still got beaten by a league 2 side, it's embarrassing to even try to defend him
its more about how it happened
I understand but I'm happy it's finally done regardless, just hoping they don't fuck up the next permanent appointment now, but the first step is at least taken
they fucked up twice already so let's see what they can do. still think firing him now wasnt the right call
Relax, Amorim got sacked for failing at his job, he was given too much time
Has anyone wondered what would happen if Chelsea sign Ruben Amorim? Can buy the players he wants, can let him play a 3-4-3, and I would love to see the look on Garnacho's face should that happen.
The problem now is that, Amorim can end up going elsewhere, get a couple more years experience, and then City could end up replacing Pep with him, especially now that Viana is at the club. And they will back him up as well, allowing him to genuinely achieve success, probably staying there for the next decade or so.
We were finally starting to click. And admittedly, even though the recent draws were frustrating, atleast we were still in the top 6, and the man didn't even have a full season.
Probably was sacked for not being a 'Yes man', and probably challenged the board quite a lot, no wonder he is smiling to be away from this Shitshow. Won't be surprised if we badly regress now.
Maybe they should give Scholes or Gary Neville the job, because they clearly know the kind of manager that United needs. If they can talk the talk, they should walk the walk.
Looking to see which Manager's career, our club ruins next.
Edit: Thank you for the downvotes, please make it increase to remind me so as to why having an opinion within this fanbase, will always not be welcome.
“Finally starting to click”? I don’t know what games you were watching.
Compared to last season, were definitely starting to get better. Maybe I should've phrased it in a way which meant that players were finally starting to buy into his ideology and be more adaptive, and hey, draws will always be better than losses!
There is an ocean of space between 'better than last season' and 'finally starting to click'.
You're right.
Thank you for enlightening me on this difference, didn't know it was so vast 🙏
I wasn’t for Amorim to get the sack because I think he could have gotten us to 5th…as will whoever takes over on an interim basis…I also think back in Sept, if anyone had offered us to be in this position in January, we would have snapped it up! However…some of the worst United performances I’ve seen since LVG have been this season, we should have 10 more points…Cunha and Mbuemo are positive…Bruno too…the rest it’s hard to see…even some of our wins were last minute winners! We’ve played better in games we lost than actually won!
You dont even know the timelines. Wilcox had nothing to do with "stalling" on Ten Hag's contract. He was technical director then and supporting Ten Hag with recruitment. The technical director role has nothing to do with picking the manager or chosing to extend his contract. That was Dan Ashworth in the summer of 2024.
Wilcox was only made Sporting Director / Director of Football once Ashworth and Ten Hag were gone.
At least try and get your facts straight before you start ranting.
When it was announced it said “He will work with all technical areas of the football department to achieve the highest standards of performance.”
Doesn’t sound like he had nothing to do with ten hag - who even confirmed he would be meeting up with him asap once he was appointed
I mean seriously is it possible for our fan base to try and jerk ourselves off anymore we are now mad at Wilcox. Former winners and legends don’t mean they understand fuck all about modern soccer or how to implement anything. What the fuck are we talking about
That's the root cause. Every blood run in his body are anti-mu. When the next head coach start making MU better, he will take action again. Even Sir Jim could be another suspect as Chelsea annual ticket owner.
Wasn't it amorim who spat the dummy out though lol
Premier League winners medals owned by Wilcox = 1.
Premier League winners medals owned by Amorim and the entire squad combined = 0.
In Wilcox I Trust.