As a guy who has been an Amorim in all the way i wasnt surprised with the news today after watching the interview yesterday. The club is rotten to the core with people who have egos and not football brains.You could see that they didnt make this decision in cold blood but in an instant. I mean wtf the president says Amorim is expected to be here for another season and a half a couple weeks ago and now they sack him? I honestly think the ‘ur fired’ thing came to save face since they could see that Amorim is not the kind of guy to back down and let them make stupid decisions and just use Amorim as a scape goat like they did with every single manager before him. The cycle continues and Amorim getting the sack no matter if you were Amorim in or out is just the nail in the coffin for our club. What to expect next ? The same cycle over and over .
No we actually don't need 11 new players to play his formation, akshully. What we do need is more than 14 wins in 14 months and a better record than Gary Neville.
You, i saw you comment a lot, and it's shallow, mate, get a grip. It's not results why they sacked him, how don't you see that, if it was, he would be long gone. And that makes it worse.
As soon as he started the shit about leaving in 18 months it was clear that he'd swindled them. It was clear to many before then but results were terrible from the start. He'd held on because of his gaslighting about building something and the embarrassment of having to sack him. He'd drawn 2 games in a week against relegation candidates. It became untenable.
Really? Embarrassment? They appointed him knowing full well what will happen, it's even worse if they didn't. Finishing dead last, last season was good enough but two draws now are enough? Why not after Grimsby or Everton then?
People just rewriting the facts. It’s exhausting. Amorim was the worst manager we’ve had post-Fergie. Those are the clear facts. His stubbornness, cowardliness, and complete refusal to adapt would never have got us anywhere. Going full defensive against 10 men Everton should have been the end of him. It’s a miracle he made it this long tbh.
Serious amount of revisionism on his time now that he's gone. He's suddenly become the greatest loss ever overnight compared to what people were saying last week/yesterday.
In reality, he was given 14 months and was our worst manager in the modern era based off his own record. If he was better at his job he may have been able to survive taking public swings at his boss but not a chance when you can't put a run of 3 games together over a year.
He absolutely knew what he was doing yesterday too
It’s not revisionism. The problem isn’t that we sacked him, it’s that we sacked him for faults that he had since day 1, faults that everyone and their mother knew about.
He is equally as inflexible now, as he was after Grimsby, as he was after the Europa league final, as he was when we finished 15th, as he was when he took over.
If you were gonna fire him because you don’t like his system and how he sticks to it, you should have fired him a long time ago. Like seriously we just wasted half a season this season and another half last season.
This board once again shows how incompetent they are. ETH debacle, Ashworth debacle, and now this. How can you trust this level of incompetence to make the right decision for the next manager? That’s the worrying part about the sacking for me
Agree with all of this bar I don't understand how a lot of people aren't being revisionist with it. But the Board have fucked it twice. Realistically he should have went last summer. There wasn't any signs of it working at all but because of TH they had backed themselves into a corner and didn't want to make themselves look like idiots and it's blown up in their faces again.
How can you trust this level of incompetence to make the right decision for the next manager?
No other option really but I like the present narritive that Fletcher may do a long stint so we don't rush this.
It does leave us rather listless though in terms of scouting plans, contract renewals etc.
Going to be very hard to convince any big names to take a second glance at us knowing that a mystery manager is coming later on who may not have them in their plans.
Also we'll be behind in pre-contract negotiations for anyone who's out of contract this summer.
Doesn’t work that way. If they supported him from the start, and he had a 38% win rate, then yes, sack him. But they didn’t. They provided him a car without brakes and are mad that he crashed.
They actually sacked him because he called them out, that’s how backward this board is.
They backed him publicly even after the 42 pts and EL final loss. The spent big on 3 starters for the attack, which was the main weakness of the team from the previous season, plus a wingback for him, despite no European football. He kept his job after seeing his team lose to Grimsby Town.
It was only until a public bashing of his bosses, plus saying he wasn't going to stay any longer than his contract (implying he didn't care about his project anymore), that they have decided to cut ties.
I personally thought there were signs we were on the up, and I think he will probably succeed still as a manager in his career despite this. But stop with this revisionism.
Imagine if you had given someone the most backing you could. You'd given them a brand new car after their old mate crashed it, and while you know it'll take time to get up to speed, you do your best to give him a platform to at least drive the thing for a bit.
Only for the the guy to crash at nearly every turn, struggle to get the basics right, and then you have to listen to him rant off about how this is supposedly your fault for not supporting him enough in the first place. It's not a shock at all they sacked him.
He straight up admitted he didn't care, not for the first time. If anything, this whole outburst showed a complete lack of maturity, professionalism, and a deep insecurity in Amorim. No matter what you do, you do not criticise your bosses who have defended you through the worst period in the club's recent history. Not least when you're halfway to your own execution.
I'm not going to absolve the board of blame, they started this whole mess in the first place and their dithering has now cost the club three seasons in a row. Yet, this falls squarely on Amorim's shoulders. He is the worst manager of this club's modern era, and he will be known as such quite rightly.
Let’s add some context to this crashed car analogy. Let’s say the person you are lending it too, was appreciative but ultimately was undecided and wanted to wait until their car was repaired. You tell them they have to take the car, it’s now or never. They ask you about the car, and you tell them what they wanted to hear. They asked if it had air conditioning, brakes, and working headlights. You told them that they would get all of that along the way. Well, after crashing a lot, you buy them headlights, and convince them that’s enough to stop crashing. It wasn’t. They continue to crash because they have no air conditioning or brakes and you take the car back out of anger when they question your judgement.
I cannot believe there's this eulogisation going on about Amorim at the minute. Was he necessarily given every opportunity to succeed? No. You're right, he was called in when he didn't want to come right away. The squad is still depleted compared to elites and the team last year was shocking.
Was he given ample opportunity to prove he was worth backing in the long term? Yes, and he failed. He averaged a win per month in the league. He scarcely kept a clean sheet with his refusal to do anything with the seven defenders on the pitch other than set them up in a flat back 5. He gave Tottenham a trophy in one of the most putrid finals I've ever watched. Grimsby outplayed us. Near enough every team we faced knew exactly what to do, and Amorim refused to acknowledge he needed to change.
Give this kind of CV to your boss and then complain the way he did. It'd be no surprised if you're sacked on the spot. We don't need to act like he was hard done by. Not an ideal situation, yes, but any manager worth their salt does better than 14th in the overall table since he took over. Does better than 15th last season.
I agree with a lot of what you said. I really do. But I look at the board first, then the players, then the manager. Especially in these circumstances. I remember Fernandes dropping a disaster class that Tottenham final, along with Shaw and Onana. But the team didn’t create a single chance all game, and that was partly due to Amorim.
I’ve been Amorim out the moment he decided to keep Fernandes this summer. But I see the Glazers+Ineos as the bigger issue long term.
When you break it down like this, it’s anything but hilarious.
He was given an ultimatum to come now or never in January, he was assured he’d be backed to build his system given the current squad was not fit. He wanted Mendes who was having a wage dispute with PSG at the time and was actually willing to come given the Sporting connection. He got Dorgu instead. I really don’t think he wanted Mbeumo, that’s a luxury signing any manager will surely take, but he’s a touchline winger. Seems like future proofing rather than backing. He also wanted Gyokeres then Watkins, but was given Sesko.
The whole 250 million means nothing. He didn’t negotiate the deals that led to that inflated figure. If it was 250 million covering 10 players, then the story is different. I’m not sure at all how a manager who plays a 3-4-3 so distinctly different that Ten Hag’s 4-2-3-1 was expected to make due with the same players who sacked him and four outfield signings. It’s crazy actually.
Ultimatum? That's how jobs work man. And we pay loads for him to come. Amorim didn't have to come if the timing wasn't right. We owe him nothing for coming in early.
Again what you described is how a job looks like. You don't always get what you want (and will never get everything you need) but when you get things done eventually, your bosses would be more open to giving in to your demands. When you presided over a horror finish to a season (23% win rate) and followed up with an unconvincing first half of a season, (in both occasson where you boss still continued to back you), you have little leverage to publicly demand from your boss. Now RA is not stupid and he knows this, so I do believe that he already made his decision prior and the interview was just to push the board to sack him.
Ah yes, Amorim should’ve known he would be lied to and left short. Shame on him for being so naive, I mean it’s totally normal to be told one thing and another is what happens right?
Regarding your comments on the players that signed, that is complete speculation. You don't know that any of that is true.
I mentioned the 250 million because that is a massive amount of investment in 14 months, bringing in 5 new players.
Yes it's fair to say that it was difficult to change to his formation and he needed more players, but the results he delivered were unacceptable, and he should have adapted in the interim till he got his team together.
Its speculation becsuse I have heard reports saying what you said and the opposite. For example I personally dont believe for a minute that mbeumo wasn't an Amorim signing, its one of things he deserves credit for. I have seen reports saying that mbeumo and cunha were wanted by Amorim, you have clearly seen something that suggests otherwise.
I’m simply saying this- I don’t think Amorim went into the summer asking for Mbeumo. I think the board suggested him and Amorim agreed. He is a winger who hugs the touchline providing crosses.
That narrative breaks apart when you realize “over 250 million” is basically just 3 attackers
Not to mention the fact we proceeded to have one of the best attacks in the league this season
Say he deserved to stay or not, you don’t start a rebuild by adding a handful of players (after rightfully removing most of our fringe squad players) then call it a day. We still have don’t have good midfield depth, our wingback options are atrocious, and our bench is the most inexperienced and depleted we’ve had in a long time
Dorgu, heaven, lammens, Sesko, cunha and mbeumo is 6 players. Thats quite a lot in 14 months. Yes he needed more players and he would have got them if he had kept his job. The results unfortunately were abysmal and he was rightly sacked.
He also didn't bring through any youth players in a meaningful way during that time despite Collyer, Amass & Chido Obi looking like they could have provided some good depth in positions that we desperately needed it in
Must’ve been watching different games. Amass is physically incapable of playing at the top level, Collyer is British Ugarte, and Chido is literally 16.
No manager wants Dorgu at a top club? Amorim brought him in for his system at manchester united, a top club...
Heaven has started regularly for us since he joined and was signed as a first team player. Well done to the board for getting him so cheap, we signed yoro for over 50 million and heaven has been performing as well as him, even picking up player of the month.
You have the guy above saying that we signed 3 players for 250 million to try and minimise the investment, and now we have you doing the opposite saying heaven was too cheap 😂
I don’t mean this in a disrespectful way, but I do not believe you understand what you are arguing about. The “250 million pound investment” is floated out there to make it seem like Amorim was more than backed. The individual and I are simply saying to those people, “break down that figure and you’ll see 200 of that 250 was spent on 3 players. Playing such a distinct and specific system, he needed quality and quantity. 3 players all being attackers doesn’t address the lack of quality midfielders, or wingbacks.
I surely hope you do not believe Heaven was brought in to be a starter. He is way better than Yoro which is why he’s playing right now. He was so cheap given he was not on a first team contract.
Dorgu is a poor player. Amorim didn’t want him. That’s all that was provided.
Thanks chief but i definitely do understand the point that I am arguing. I have seen many fans claiming that the club did not fully back Amorim. I disagree with this, and I have cited the 250 million that they have spent on 6 new players over his 14 month tenure. I consider this to be a very large investment, and I dont know how they could have done more to be honest given the club's finances. They even took out a new line of credit to allow them to invest in new players.
You may not agree with this argument, that's fair enough, but try not to be so condescending.
Your argument falls flat on so many different faces, it’s hard for me not to sound condescending given every point is wrong.
250 million doesn’t mean equal distribution of squad depth. Like I said 5 times now, 200 million was spent on three attackers. How we expected a manager playing a completely different system to use Ten Hag’s midfield and defense is beyond me. I do not count a random relegation 20 year old left back “backing”. Lammens, a goalkeeper, while very promising, hasn’t solved our issues. So something’s missing. What’s missing is a proper midfield and wingbacks.
You say 14 month tenure like we’ve backed him through 3 transfer windows. He got one player in last year’s Jan window and this summer. He’s been sacked 5 months in. Your argument would have a little better semblance if he stayed until the end of the season and you said “well we gave him the season after backing him in January and he still blew it”.
Again, you sound clueless when talking about credit lines like we are going broke! The Glazers are worth 10 billion, the club generates 770 million a year, and Rat is worth 17 billion! If the billion pounds of outstanding debt from the Glazers was gone none of that would be necessary! But they refuse to spend their own money due to greed.
how was the everton game his fault when he played all available attackers with zirkzee as striker who can't score to save his life. the players miss loads of chances to score which the xg shows. it was the same with eth but still goal scoring impoved this season. they should have sacked him at the end of the season not now again.
It was his fault because he was tactically inept. His tactics allowed us to concede in every game, literally everyone could score against us, 10 men Everton, Wolves in both games, Burnley, Leeds, West Ham…. Everyone could score.
Outside of bottom 5 teams, we have conceded the most goals, only 2 clean sheets (18th worst in the league).
You are naive, if they cared about results, they would maybe sack him after everton game or some other game, they don't give a fuck about that, they sacked him because he wanted more players now and not in summer
i would've no problem if they had sacked him for the result but this is purely on the clash between him and the board and I will be rightfully supporting amorim instead of the spineless owners & board
Jimmy rats has a better idea. Call up ex players and give them the keys. Don't worry, after we've fired all them we will move on to hiring season ticket holders.
He should have been sacked when we finished 15 and lost in the final. The fact that they backed him and now he had some “slight improvement” is very concerning of who makes the decisions and the direction of the club in general.
If manager has a less than 40% win rate across a calendar year like Ruben did then it would be considered incompetence by the board to invest any more money into him if we’re being real.
If he knew United didn’t have the players for his system why the fuck would he try and play it for so long, after the first 10 games he should’ve know it wouldn’t have worked.
Then you end up like Ten hag, he tried to play his formation realised he couldn't then he put short term solutions then hit his ceiling.
Once he hit his ceiling, he crashed and burned because no amount of duct tape is goanna fix a broken water pipe.
There were a lot of Amorim In supporters, myself included and the supporters at Old Trafford because he was trying to fix the pipe instead of taping it back together and it looked like he was beginning to figure it out.
But here we are, pipe is now burst and we have lost the progress again.
We should have backed him based on what? Dogshit results, dreadful to watch. His win percentage says it all. He's done nothing in his time as manager to warrant hundreds of millions being blown by him. If he was in charge of any big clubs in the top five leagues in Europe he'd have been booted out long ago.
People keep saying this shit yet the truth is that we will need a new team regardless of formation. This team isn’t good enough even if we were allowed to field 13 players.
There were time they said they are very happy to work with ETH. They sacked him eventually.
So don’t listen to them on media, they just say so to get our approval.
Ainsworth is the only one who worked and experienced in the position he is in, but they fired him.
Wilcox was an Academy Director now Technical Director.
Berreda was a COO, and now a CEO.
If we are looking at the players and coaches, we should look at the top as well.
Ah yes, because it excuses every loss manager brings to us because he cannot adapt with resources at his hand before all purchases negotiated and confirmed...yeah, makes total sense
I reckon Patrick would be a better owner than Jimmy the tax dodger
As a guy who has been an Amorim in all the way i wasnt surprised with the news today after watching the interview yesterday. The club is rotten to the core with people who have egos and not football brains.You could see that they didnt make this decision in cold blood but in an instant. I mean wtf the president says Amorim is expected to be here for another season and a half a couple weeks ago and now they sack him? I honestly think the ‘ur fired’ thing came to save face since they could see that Amorim is not the kind of guy to back down and let them make stupid decisions and just use Amorim as a scape goat like they did with every single manager before him. The cycle continues and Amorim getting the sack no matter if you were Amorim in or out is just the nail in the coffin for our club. What to expect next ? The same cycle over and over .
It's good they got rid of the biggest ego who was putting it above winning games then.
Interesting to see that a lot of comments doesn’t mean a lot of good comments 😂
Oh no your cult leader left. Better still protect him. He cared more about proving his formation than the results of the team.
Preach. Can’t spell Ego without Ruben Amorim
There's no G in Ruben Amorim..
Oh for fucks sake.
No we actually don't need 11 new players to play his formation, akshully. What we do need is more than 14 wins in 14 months and a better record than Gary Neville.
We should appoint scholes, he knows the best
Complete and utter moron.
Great counterpoint man
Let him manage,he seems to know the United,
They signed 5 players for him and he still wasn't improving much. Why would they continue something they didn't see working?
6 players for over 250 million in 14 months, but people on here are saying the club didn't back him...
Even Mbeumo was starting to regress before he went to AFCON.
You, i saw you comment a lot, and it's shallow, mate, get a grip. It's not results why they sacked him, how don't you see that, if it was, he would be long gone. And that makes it worse.
It is results though.
As soon as he started the shit about leaving in 18 months it was clear that he'd swindled them. It was clear to many before then but results were terrible from the start. He'd held on because of his gaslighting about building something and the embarrassment of having to sack him. He'd drawn 2 games in a week against relegation candidates. It became untenable.
Really? Embarrassment? They appointed him knowing full well what will happen, it's even worse if they didn't. Finishing dead last, last season was good enough but two draws now are enough? Why not after Grimsby or Everton then?
Why not indeed.
What did they finish last in last year?
You know what i mean, almost last without relegation.. why not, because it's not about results
People just rewriting the facts. It’s exhausting. Amorim was the worst manager we’ve had post-Fergie. Those are the clear facts. His stubbornness, cowardliness, and complete refusal to adapt would never have got us anywhere. Going full defensive against 10 men Everton should have been the end of him. It’s a miracle he made it this long tbh.
Serious amount of revisionism on his time now that he's gone. He's suddenly become the greatest loss ever overnight compared to what people were saying last week/yesterday.
In reality, he was given 14 months and was our worst manager in the modern era based off his own record. If he was better at his job he may have been able to survive taking public swings at his boss but not a chance when you can't put a run of 3 games together over a year.
He absolutely knew what he was doing yesterday too
It’s not revisionism. The problem isn’t that we sacked him, it’s that we sacked him for faults that he had since day 1, faults that everyone and their mother knew about.
He is equally as inflexible now, as he was after Grimsby, as he was after the Europa league final, as he was when we finished 15th, as he was when he took over.
If you were gonna fire him because you don’t like his system and how he sticks to it, you should have fired him a long time ago. Like seriously we just wasted half a season this season and another half last season.
This board once again shows how incompetent they are. ETH debacle, Ashworth debacle, and now this. How can you trust this level of incompetence to make the right decision for the next manager? That’s the worrying part about the sacking for me
Agree with all of this bar I don't understand how a lot of people aren't being revisionist with it. But the Board have fucked it twice. Realistically he should have went last summer. There wasn't any signs of it working at all but because of TH they had backed themselves into a corner and didn't want to make themselves look like idiots and it's blown up in their faces again.
No other option really but I like the present narritive that Fletcher may do a long stint so we don't rush this.
100% should have been gone after we finished 15th and lost the final
It just tells you they don't care about football at all, they came up after that shit and said he will get 3 years
I do hope so.
It does leave us rather listless though in terms of scouting plans, contract renewals etc.
Going to be very hard to convince any big names to take a second glance at us knowing that a mystery manager is coming later on who may not have them in their plans.
Also we'll be behind in pre-contract negotiations for anyone who's out of contract this summer.
Absolutely. They’ll all be moved on from Amorim in a weeks time
He had a 38% win rate as Manchester United manager. He was complete dogshit and didn’t deserve to be backed.
Doesn’t work that way. If they supported him from the start, and he had a 38% win rate, then yes, sack him. But they didn’t. They provided him a car without brakes and are mad that he crashed.
They actually sacked him because he called them out, that’s how backward this board is.
How on earth did they not support him?
They backed him publicly even after the 42 pts and EL final loss. The spent big on 3 starters for the attack, which was the main weakness of the team from the previous season, plus a wingback for him, despite no European football. He kept his job after seeing his team lose to Grimsby Town.
It was only until a public bashing of his bosses, plus saying he wasn't going to stay any longer than his contract (implying he didn't care about his project anymore), that they have decided to cut ties.
I personally thought there were signs we were on the up, and I think he will probably succeed still as a manager in his career despite this. But stop with this revisionism.
He also made it clear before saying that, that he was referring to the media's questiining and not the club.
Okay so you acknowledge they sacked him because he called them out. Contradicts your point.
What boss won't sack him after publicly attacking them?! What are you even implying?
It’s all subjective given you think the board has done no wrong.
nah, fuck the board, they can take one lol. But let's not pretend Ruben ain't at fault
The narrative going forward is that he wasn't sacked on anything to do with his performance but disrespecting the top brass.
If you fault from this revisionism you will be mocked accordingly.
Totally agree.
Yeah. How does that contradict my point that he was backed till that point?
Imagine if you had given someone the most backing you could. You'd given them a brand new car after their old mate crashed it, and while you know it'll take time to get up to speed, you do your best to give him a platform to at least drive the thing for a bit.
Only for the the guy to crash at nearly every turn, struggle to get the basics right, and then you have to listen to him rant off about how this is supposedly your fault for not supporting him enough in the first place. It's not a shock at all they sacked him.
He straight up admitted he didn't care, not for the first time. If anything, this whole outburst showed a complete lack of maturity, professionalism, and a deep insecurity in Amorim. No matter what you do, you do not criticise your bosses who have defended you through the worst period in the club's recent history. Not least when you're halfway to your own execution.
I'm not going to absolve the board of blame, they started this whole mess in the first place and their dithering has now cost the club three seasons in a row. Yet, this falls squarely on Amorim's shoulders. He is the worst manager of this club's modern era, and he will be known as such quite rightly.
Let’s add some context to this crashed car analogy. Let’s say the person you are lending it too, was appreciative but ultimately was undecided and wanted to wait until their car was repaired. You tell them they have to take the car, it’s now or never. They ask you about the car, and you tell them what they wanted to hear. They asked if it had air conditioning, brakes, and working headlights. You told them that they would get all of that along the way. Well, after crashing a lot, you buy them headlights, and convince them that’s enough to stop crashing. It wasn’t. They continue to crash because they have no air conditioning or brakes and you take the car back out of anger when they question your judgement.
This is utter nonsense
I cannot believe there's this eulogisation going on about Amorim at the minute. Was he necessarily given every opportunity to succeed? No. You're right, he was called in when he didn't want to come right away. The squad is still depleted compared to elites and the team last year was shocking.
Was he given ample opportunity to prove he was worth backing in the long term? Yes, and he failed. He averaged a win per month in the league. He scarcely kept a clean sheet with his refusal to do anything with the seven defenders on the pitch other than set them up in a flat back 5. He gave Tottenham a trophy in one of the most putrid finals I've ever watched. Grimsby outplayed us. Near enough every team we faced knew exactly what to do, and Amorim refused to acknowledge he needed to change.
Give this kind of CV to your boss and then complain the way he did. It'd be no surprised if you're sacked on the spot. We don't need to act like he was hard done by. Not an ideal situation, yes, but any manager worth their salt does better than 14th in the overall table since he took over. Does better than 15th last season.
I agree with a lot of what you said. I really do. But I look at the board first, then the players, then the manager. Especially in these circumstances. I remember Fernandes dropping a disaster class that Tottenham final, along with Shaw and Onana. But the team didn’t create a single chance all game, and that was partly due to Amorim.
I’ve been Amorim out the moment he decided to keep Fernandes this summer. But I see the Glazers+Ineos as the bigger issue long term.
This narrative is hilarious. He was manager for 14 months and they invested over 250 million in his team.
When you break it down like this, it’s anything but hilarious.
He was given an ultimatum to come now or never in January, he was assured he’d be backed to build his system given the current squad was not fit. He wanted Mendes who was having a wage dispute with PSG at the time and was actually willing to come given the Sporting connection. He got Dorgu instead. I really don’t think he wanted Mbeumo, that’s a luxury signing any manager will surely take, but he’s a touchline winger. Seems like future proofing rather than backing. He also wanted Gyokeres then Watkins, but was given Sesko.
The whole 250 million means nothing. He didn’t negotiate the deals that led to that inflated figure. If it was 250 million covering 10 players, then the story is different. I’m not sure at all how a manager who plays a 3-4-3 so distinctly different that Ten Hag’s 4-2-3-1 was expected to make due with the same players who sacked him and four outfield signings. It’s crazy actually.
Ultimatum? That's how jobs work man. And we pay loads for him to come. Amorim didn't have to come if the timing wasn't right. We owe him nothing for coming in early.
I feel like you are purposefully ignoring the context.
Again what you described is how a job looks like. You don't always get what you want (and will never get everything you need) but when you get things done eventually, your bosses would be more open to giving in to your demands. When you presided over a horror finish to a season (23% win rate) and followed up with an unconvincing first half of a season, (in both occasson where you boss still continued to back you), you have little leverage to publicly demand from your boss. Now RA is not stupid and he knows this, so I do believe that he already made his decision prior and the interview was just to push the board to sack him.
Ah yes, Amorim should’ve known he would be lied to and left short. Shame on him for being so naive, I mean it’s totally normal to be told one thing and another is what happens right?
Sure if you want to insist on that narrative. I mean nobody who got sacked has ever said that before.
Regarding your comments on the players that signed, that is complete speculation. You don't know that any of that is true.
I mentioned the 250 million because that is a massive amount of investment in 14 months, bringing in 5 new players.
Yes it's fair to say that it was difficult to change to his formation and he needed more players, but the results he delivered were unacceptable, and he should have adapted in the interim till he got his team together.
How is it speculation? Because you yourself haven’t spoken to Ornstein or Fabrizio? We trust their word for every other matter, why not this time?
You are ignoring my point on the 250 million. You are harping about the figure itself not the amount of players which is my whole point.
Telling a manager to adapt with Ten Hag’s trash is the beginning of the end and why it ended the way it did.
Its speculation becsuse I have heard reports saying what you said and the opposite. For example I personally dont believe for a minute that mbeumo wasn't an Amorim signing, its one of things he deserves credit for. I have seen reports saying that mbeumo and cunha were wanted by Amorim, you have clearly seen something that suggests otherwise.
I’m simply saying this- I don’t think Amorim went into the summer asking for Mbeumo. I think the board suggested him and Amorim agreed. He is a winger who hugs the touchline providing crosses.
Fair enough, that is your opinion, but as I said speculation.
And as I said, your speculation is opinion.
That narrative breaks apart when you realize “over 250 million” is basically just 3 attackers
Not to mention the fact we proceeded to have one of the best attacks in the league this season
Say he deserved to stay or not, you don’t start a rebuild by adding a handful of players (after rightfully removing most of our fringe squad players) then call it a day. We still have don’t have good midfield depth, our wingback options are atrocious, and our bench is the most inexperienced and depleted we’ve had in a long time
Dorgu, heaven, lammens, Sesko, cunha and mbeumo is 6 players. Thats quite a lot in 14 months. Yes he needed more players and he would have got them if he had kept his job. The results unfortunately were abysmal and he was rightly sacked.
He also didn't bring through any youth players in a meaningful way during that time despite Collyer, Amass & Chido Obi looking like they could have provided some good depth in positions that we desperately needed it in
Must’ve been watching different games. Amass is physically incapable of playing at the top level, Collyer is British Ugarte, and Chido is literally 16.
No manager at a top team wants Dorgu lol.
Heaven? The 500k Arsenal academy player? Yes, Amorim dreamed of him. I mean seriously.
No manager wants Dorgu at a top club? Amorim brought him in for his system at manchester united, a top club...
Heaven has started regularly for us since he joined and was signed as a first team player. Well done to the board for getting him so cheap, we signed yoro for over 50 million and heaven has been performing as well as him, even picking up player of the month.
You have the guy above saying that we signed 3 players for 250 million to try and minimise the investment, and now we have you doing the opposite saying heaven was too cheap 😂
I don’t mean this in a disrespectful way, but I do not believe you understand what you are arguing about. The “250 million pound investment” is floated out there to make it seem like Amorim was more than backed. The individual and I are simply saying to those people, “break down that figure and you’ll see 200 of that 250 was spent on 3 players. Playing such a distinct and specific system, he needed quality and quantity. 3 players all being attackers doesn’t address the lack of quality midfielders, or wingbacks.
I surely hope you do not believe Heaven was brought in to be a starter. He is way better than Yoro which is why he’s playing right now. He was so cheap given he was not on a first team contract.
Dorgu is a poor player. Amorim didn’t want him. That’s all that was provided.
Thanks chief but i definitely do understand the point that I am arguing. I have seen many fans claiming that the club did not fully back Amorim. I disagree with this, and I have cited the 250 million that they have spent on 6 new players over his 14 month tenure. I consider this to be a very large investment, and I dont know how they could have done more to be honest given the club's finances. They even took out a new line of credit to allow them to invest in new players.
You may not agree with this argument, that's fair enough, but try not to be so condescending.
Your argument falls flat on so many different faces, it’s hard for me not to sound condescending given every point is wrong.
250 million doesn’t mean equal distribution of squad depth. Like I said 5 times now, 200 million was spent on three attackers. How we expected a manager playing a completely different system to use Ten Hag’s midfield and defense is beyond me. I do not count a random relegation 20 year old left back “backing”. Lammens, a goalkeeper, while very promising, hasn’t solved our issues. So something’s missing. What’s missing is a proper midfield and wingbacks.
You say 14 month tenure like we’ve backed him through 3 transfer windows. He got one player in last year’s Jan window and this summer. He’s been sacked 5 months in. Your argument would have a little better semblance if he stayed until the end of the season and you said “well we gave him the season after backing him in January and he still blew it”.
Again, you sound clueless when talking about credit lines like we are going broke! The Glazers are worth 10 billion, the club generates 770 million a year, and Rat is worth 17 billion! If the billion pounds of outstanding debt from the Glazers was gone none of that would be necessary! But they refuse to spend their own money due to greed.
Almost like he went all out attack and left the team wide open.
He literally wanted a midfielder but the board made the choice to get sesko.
Yeah his non stop playing of Zirkzee showed he clearly wasn't pushing for a new striker...
He also hasn't even had one full season. So we literally have no idea where he is capable of finishing.
As SAF said, it's not over until there are no games left. Our leadership didn't get that memo though, they throw in the towel in difficult times.
They throw the towel in when publicly made fools, which they are.
If United doesn't support him he got sacked from losing Grimsby already
Bullsht. If he can’t beat 10 men Everton, there’s no reason to back him.
Conte made Napoli play good football playing same formation with Spinazola and Politano as wing backs, McTominay in the center and Hojlund up front.
Amorim was just trash.
All fine and well if they actually sacked him because of that. They didn’t though, which is why fans are up in arms sick and tired of these dregs.
how was the everton game his fault when he played all available attackers with zirkzee as striker who can't score to save his life. the players miss loads of chances to score which the xg shows. it was the same with eth but still goal scoring impoved this season. they should have sacked him at the end of the season not now again.
It was his fault because he was tactically inept. His tactics allowed us to concede in every game, literally everyone could score against us, 10 men Everton, Wolves in both games, Burnley, Leeds, West Ham…. Everyone could score.
Outside of bottom 5 teams, we have conceded the most goals, only 2 clean sheets (18th worst in the league).
You are naive, if they cared about results, they would maybe sack him after everton game or some other game, they don't give a fuck about that, they sacked him because he wanted more players now and not in summer
i would've no problem if they had sacked him for the result but this is purely on the clash between him and the board and I will be rightfully supporting amorim instead of the spineless owners & board
I would have 38% win rate too if I had to start Antony Garnacho and Hojlund in the front mid season with no player to use
Who am I to say? I’m not a football expert.
Jimmy rats has a better idea. Call up ex players and give them the keys. Don't worry, after we've fired all them we will move on to hiring season ticket holders.
At this point I think the glazers are just trying to pay their friends at the expense of Man U
Again it's a square peg into a round hole.
If it's a square hole, you could still fit with a round peg.
So who hired RA?
Let's see how Fletcher flex.
He should have been sacked when we finished 15 and lost in the final. The fact that they backed him and now he had some “slight improvement” is very concerning of who makes the decisions and the direction of the club in general.
This cycle will not end….
Couldn't the board have just realised that even with a back 3 Amorim wants, theres a reason why most Premier League teams don't play that formation?
If manager has a less than 40% win rate across a calendar year like Ruben did then it would be considered incompetence by the board to invest any more money into him if we’re being real.
If he knew United didn’t have the players for his system why the fuck would he try and play it for so long, after the first 10 games he should’ve know it wouldn’t have worked.
Then you end up like Ten hag, he tried to play his formation realised he couldn't then he put short term solutions then hit his ceiling.
Once he hit his ceiling, he crashed and burned because no amount of duct tape is goanna fix a broken water pipe.
There were a lot of Amorim In supporters, myself included and the supporters at Old Trafford because he was trying to fix the pipe instead of taping it back together and it looked like he was beginning to figure it out.
But here we are, pipe is now burst and we have lost the progress again.
We should have backed him based on what? Dogshit results, dreadful to watch. His win percentage says it all. He's done nothing in his time as manager to warrant hundreds of millions being blown by him. If he was in charge of any big clubs in the top five leagues in Europe he'd have been booted out long ago.
Mate, if you need 11 new players to win back to back games, you're not a manager. You're a guy waiting for the noose to drop.
We could flip this around so that Patrick is Amorim when United told him he’d be a head coach & not a manager 😭😭😭😭
People keep saying this shit yet the truth is that we will need a new team regardless of formation. This team isn’t good enough even if we were allowed to field 13 players.
There were time they said they are very happy to work with ETH. They sacked him eventually. So don’t listen to them on media, they just say so to get our approval.
Ainsworth is the only one who worked and experienced in the position he is in, but they fired him.
Wilcox was an Academy Director now Technical Director. Berreda was a COO, and now a CEO.
If we are looking at the players and coaches, we should look at the top as well.
Ah yes, because it excuses every loss manager brings to us because he cannot adapt with resources at his hand before all purchases negotiated and confirmed...yeah, makes total sense
Truly cultists, lmao
Good footballers should be able to play any system and any position.