This image really captures the mood of the post-dynasty era at the club - the lone figure overlooking the stadium while a long line of successors stand below in the rain says everything about the last 13 years. So many different ideas, philosophies and “projects” have come and gone, yet the same questions linger about identity, structure and patience. Has the problem really been the people on the touchline, or something deeper in how the club is run and built? Which period in this post-era do you think was the closest to actually getting it right, and what do you think the club has learned — if anything — from this carousel of change?
Giggs, Carrick and RvN shouldn't be part of this image though, they were just stopgaps for few matches.
Rangnick either. Only 6 full-time appointments in there, but anything to cause engagement I guess.
I think Rangnick deserves to be here purely because he was supposed to step up to being in an overseeing role and Ten Hag was allowed to tell him to go away. He still represents a failure by the management structure
Agreed
6 full time appointments in 13 years is a far better turnover rate compared to most of the big clubs in Europe. The only 3 clubs with a lower turnover rate is Arsenal, Man city and Liverpool. All of them struck gold with Arteta, Klopp and pep. Let’s not forget that these 3 clubs sacked Emery, Brendan Rodgers and Pellegrini in their process to bring in their right manager.
Arteta finished 8th in his first season. Klopp finished 8th. Even pep finished 3rd and had an all round disappointing season for where they were positioned as a club.
They didn't strike gold. They stuck with a manager who said he had a vision and let them fulfil it.
Did the other managers they sacked along the way not have vision. Did Emery, Brendan and Pellegrini not have any vision?
Absolute pisstake that you’re talking about the clubs sticking with managers like pep and klopp who both had a very strong pedigree behind them before they had joined compared to Amorim. The only fair comparison is Arteta but the funny thing is I am certain he would have been sacked just like Amorim was if he turned against the board in his first season.
And we finished 15th and limped out of the Europa league final terribly.
I totally agree that there's value in sticking with the right manager, so in this image. I would say definitely could have given more time to: Moyes Van Gaal Ole MAYBE EtH
(Mourinho fell out with club so different)
But Amorin pissing off the owners and delivering really really poor results consistently and playing dreadful football is not the vision I want for our team
Ferguson's first 4 seasons saw him finish 11th, 2nd, 11th and 13th.
Very different environment back then though. Managers often given more time, the 'expectation' of how good United should be each season was different. Yes a big team, but ultimately SAF has caused the heightened expectations.
No Glazer/INEOS ownership either. Not saying it's all for the better now, its the reality of modern football
Yes, and if Ferguson was manger now, he'd be hounded out of the club by the fans and the board before he won anything.
Very different world now. Not sure how you cannot comprehend that. In the past, clubs really stuck with managers even though it may not work out. Clubs now are less patient. No one's gonna let a manager hang around for 6 years hoping he brings them back to the top. Especially not with Utd being the behemoth it is now.
big difference is there was something being built and the youth were being brought in, football was intended to be aggressive and attacking, basically sticking to what Manchester was known as a club etc. Amorim, like Mourinho, does not suit our style.
Yeah, but the problem is not the quick sacking, but the fact that neither of them has won anything worthy with Man Utd. League Cup? Pffff, the most unimportant trophy.
Man Utd, the biggest club in England, 3 Champions League titles (1 in 1968 with George Best, Charlton, Law, 1 in 1999 with the generation of Beckham, Roy Keane, Scholes, Giggs and 1 in 2008 with Cristiano Ronaldo goalscorer). It's supposed to at least fight for European trophies.
We were missing the Europa League trophy and got it. I value that one. Jose said it when he told us finishing 2nd was an achievement with that squad.
Hopefully our new analytics dept has been compiling data on managers.
They all speak to the larger issue, though. You can't have any form of consistency when you've got a caretaker in place every third manager. And the way they've handled the changes, the appointments, the firings....you literally sound like you approve of the business side of the team and the office's way of doing what they do?
They've had 3FT managers and Ragnick draw them a roadmap to succes and they've burned it, and the club, to the ground. Amorim wasn't sacked for form, he was scaled because he did and said what Ronaldo, Ragnick, and Mo all said before him.
Ole too. I don't count his time as a failure. player proper footy and had us challenging for all trophies.
the club signed ole and jeopradised the system.
And the start of player power and all the divas thinking they were bigger then the club! He should have stayed for his interim stint and finished then too!
And they were probably more successful
Beat me to it well said
Agreed. 'Ten experiments' is disingenuous.
The way I see it, Glazers were able to hide behind the success of SAF. Having the greatest premier league manager of all time basically run your club for you while you take money out of the club was too enticing for them. Once he retired, they thought anybody could run it like him as long as they approved spending on transfers. After a decade of failure they decide to sell the sporting side to INEOS who are trying to create proper structure at the club.
They basically sold ineos the sporting side SOLELY to use them as a shield from the criticism from the fans since on paper they are not the one "responsible" for the shit show ineos has shown now
which is obviously true now, INEOS is responsible for this current shitshow.
This. SAF was getting away with winning with some really mediocre squads at times in the later years. I think even if he had stayed it would have been a struggle.
100%. The ones of us who are a bit older, I’m in my late 30’s, I firmly believe had Fergie been getting backed he would’ve stayed for 1-3 seasons more.
He chose to leave when he did because I believe he knew he may never win a PL again. The last few years he wasn’t getting backed, he had his team and he was adding role players to support the main squad. The main squad was aging, he wasn’t getting money to replace the main squad. Hence why basically when he left give or take 1-3 seasons so did Rio, Giggs, Scholes, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, RvP, Rooney, etc.
He had to get Scholes to come out of retirement to play
I'm so happy Fergie didn't Wenger himself
I think SAF would have spent the Pogba money on Harry Kane or Gareth Bale and we'd probably have had an entirely different timeline to the one we had now.
One Hundred Percent, especially the part about "they thought anybody could run it like him as long as they approved spending on transfers". While this might have been true as late as the '00s, modern top-flight clubs need strategies that fit together between playing & non-playing personnel, playing style & philosophy, and transfer strategy. When SAF & David Gill left, all that went out the door.
To replace SAF, they hire Moyes (at SAF's urging, to be fair), a defense-first coach with no demonstrated flair for attacking play. He takes over a team built to relentlessly attack, with a defense that needs to be refreshed.
To replace Moyes, they hire LVG, whose best days were clearly behind him at this point. LVG preaches possession & attacking football, but the current squad building has not been focused on signing players who excel in possession.
To replace LVG, they hire Mourinho, whose best days were also clearly behind him at this point. After trying to build a possession-based side for LVG, they now have a coach who famously eschews possession and prioritizes defensive solidity and whose philosophy on attacking is perhaps best described as "yes, you can attack sometimes".
In OGS, they bring back a playing philosophy most attuned to that from SAF's reign - be relentless, counter-attack, etc.... But a) the squad is now a frankenstein mixture of unmatched styles and qualities and OGS never develops enough as a manager to figure out how to get the side to break down sides that sit deep (i.e. genuine attacking creativity), relying overmuch on counter-attacking. The final nail in the coffin is signing Ronaldo, who at this point in his career is the worst possible player to put in a counter-attacking side.
At this point the club is a complete mess. Multiple caretaker managers, the Ralf Rangnick situation, a bloated squad with no clear playing philosophy, etc.... ETH is brought in after a promising start to his career at Ajax (a club without playing philosophy problems) and proves to be out of his depth, despite attempting to re-create his Ajax team in the EPL.
And then Amorim, another promising manager from a much smaller league, but now with the added challenge of being dogmatic about a system for which the club absolutely do not have the personnel.
The whole thing is, and continues to be, a case study in how not to run an organization.
I agree with most of what you’ve written but to add that Mourinho’s teams are attacking and normally right up there with the top scorers in the league. He is ruthless about defensive solidarity though and bang on about 90% of things.
Hit the nail on the head. I always say that INEOS bought into 20 years of tough decisions that the Glazers refused to make, which is what results in what looks like chaos, because to survive they have to now make those decisions as quickly as possible. Rangnick’s “open heart surgery” had to do with every part of the club, not just the on-field product.
That doesn’t give them a pass for poor decisions. But to pretend they walked into Utd on a level playing field with the rest of the league is nonsense, yet it’s what a lot of fans are doing.
Yea they tought „ah just like FC Bayern …any one could be manager and win titles with this club“
Poor ineos 😂 Shameless plastic fanbase supporting shit players and management because of passport
From Rat to Ratcliff - it's like Pokemon evolution but the worst powers are enhanced
Atleast rats were giving jobs to local people and buying players
Imagine being worst than GLAZERS
I don't think INEOS are trying to do anything but make sure the brand stays profitable
The ownership, that’s where it went wrong
So no permanent solution, just short term fixes until a permanent sale if ever one.
INEOS have brought down our operational costs by firing all the lunch ladies, body language interpreter (yeah that was a high salary role within the club) etc and made the financial situation better for the Glazers. Now they have no reason to sell for a few decades at least.
Yes and they paid a lot of money for Amorim and his team and then fired him a year later. They are saving small amount of money from things that help build the club like cutting employee benefits to paying a large amount of money for manager that they are not going to trust. Same thing happened with Ten Hag, new contract and then fired him. It looks like we are not saving money at all
the amount of money glazers have sucked out of the club is criminal. not only they used the profits of the club to pay the debt they took to buy the club they have been taking dividends since.
they could have used this money to upgrade the facilities and stadium but nope
They don’t care about winning on the pitch as long as they win in the bank.
How much longer is it going to take for majority of fan to realise its not a manager issue but an ownership issue?
Mourinho predicted this and Ragnick also pretty much confirmed what Mourinho had said.
I remember reading that Mou needed multiple high level approvals just to get a new desk in his office. its crazy.
Don't have to go that far. Go find out what Zlatan said about his wages deducted for a little drink.
The ownership and structure has not been right after SAF and Gill left
I guess I was a fool for thinking Omar Berrada and Jason Wilcox would do anything differently.
They’re both responsible for the current mess, they should’ve also gone
I agree, should even have left before Amorim.
They should have been sacked for hiring Amorim. All 3 should have been shown the door.
You got down voted, but it's true.
Not because Amorim didn't work out. People can make mistakes and coach appointments can sometimes be bad.
But everybody and their mom knew Amorim is a rigid, one system man with a strict player needs. If you decide to sign that man, you give him whatever he wants or else it's not going to work.
Personally I don't think we should sign coaches like that. It can go south really fast and you're stuck with people only suited to the system. This was a focal worry in all of the channels I follow.
Fergie could change the system, the line up every week. He rebuilt teams with entirely different cores and strengths. This is the kind of coach who would thrive under a DoF (if DoF is good at his job).
They should be fired because you're an utter idiot if you sign a rigid man and tell him to be more flexible. That's just doomed recruitment.
The project required a change across every aspect of the club not just the coach/manager.
Look across the United youth teams, how many of those teams are playing a 3-4-3 or in other words preparing them for the first team. Ineos promised a cultural change yet they’re half assing the project.
No serious manager should come here and today made it clear what the board prioritizes - a yes man
I’m struggling to see what Jason Wilcox has done to deserve to be in that position with Manchester United…
And Amorim should have stuck to his guns by not coming till the end of the season. I wonder what they promised him. Feel sorry for the guy but he hasn’t shown the passion needed imo
Based on the reports it seems like they essentially told him we're hiring someone immediately, if you don't come now we get someone else
It wasn't right when he was here either. Ever since you know who bought the club. He just managed to overcome them
INEOS and Glazers
This^^. The circus that is Manutd right now .
LVG and Mourinho were huge signs that it wouldn’t be on the manager. Neither ever really recovered after their sackings either. Regardless, neither were given players they wanted. Ole had the most backing, but didn’t do much in the end and was hard to watch. ETH, good first season. That’s about it. Ruben was probably not ready for the job but he also clearly fell under the trap of the rest of them. Ragnick said it out loud, LVG said it out loud, Mourinho said it out loud, and now Amorim. Sacked, sacked, sacked, and sacked.
I still blame the toxic fans. Did they expect immediate returns from open heart surgery. Only got rid of the rot this season and only brought in barely adequate amounts of quality players. Still haven’t bought the minimum of two quality midfielders. He needed more players, never mind the tactics.
We're too big for our own good. Too much attention and pressure to be good now.
Manager comes in, we get excited, the players try, they play well, and get new contracts. Then injuries kick in, results start to slip. Complacency sets in. Media hounds the manager and the players. Pressure builds. Results dip. The media start pushing the narrative of how long has this manager got left. Fans get impatient. Club doesnt want to give the manager more money for new players. Manager gets sacked.
2 year cycle with every manager post fergie. Amorim got half a season last year, and half a season this year. We're currently 6th in the league with half our first team unavailable.
Don't worry tho, the next manager will be better...
Reminds me of years back in the good old days on redcafe - there was this thread of the Scouse Boom/Bust Cycle that got resurrected every season or so when Pool would shit the bed. It's ironic to think this is now the United Way.
I think that things would have been better for Ruben if he came in at the end of last season, rather than midway through. As its happened, a lot of the judgement he gets is from his first few months (which was terrible) but obviously that wasn't all on him.
If he came in the start of the year, and has us sitting 5th at xmas, despite not really playing well he'd get at least till the end of the season, then who knows what the team would look like with a midfielder to go with Bruno.
Unless there's someone amazing that becomes available, I think its the right call to give Fletch the role till the end of the season, then a fresh start with a new man come May
edit: 6th sorry, not 5th. Still better than 14th where we were when Ten Hag left
If this board governs based on fan feelings, we are doomed.
fans are super arrogant, they didn't like mou because he doesn't play man utd 'style' of football, tell me what is their style now? Losing everwhere and getting their arse handed to them
How dare you speak such sense on this sub 🫵
Totally true, except the fan blame. The fans don't actually have a say in these decisions. And for the first time, we can safely say that the fans didn't pressure or have any effect. It was a typical power play and the fans know there's no hope anyway.
Ole certainly didn't have the most backing. He was ignored in almost all requests. Mou had Pogba, Ibra and Lukaku. EtH had De Ligt, Onana, Antony (not quality signings the 2, but he chose them).
We hit gold with Bruno, but that certainly didn't make Ole the most backed one. Sancho and Cristiano failed with the next managers also and we know who Ole would have preferred. Not great backing the manager imo.
mou didnt ask for pogba woodward was working on it before manager was hired. Mou asked for a cb after finishing 2nd and he got raw dalot, 3rd keeper and Fred he didnt want (was signed because city was going for him). Mou wasnt allowed to sell players he felt needed to be sold either.
You are forgetting Ole got a 80 mil maguire (who was deemed to expensive at 40-50mil under mou). Didnt Varane and Van De Beek (for 39 mil euro) and wan bissaka (55 mil euro) come under Ole? He also chased after Sancho the previous season so he clearly wanted him.
Everything you said here, points the blame, squarely at the board. No ifs, buts or maybes. The board has been atrocious
I mean yes there is no doubt about that. there is a lack of footballing sense. lots of things done with $ signs in mind or just pure incompetence.
Ole wanted to sign Halland and the board didnt bother.
Ole really wanted sancho
Didn’t Solskaer want Rice, Bellingham and Haland?
And got Ronaldo instead.
The lesson of Ole is that "backing" the manager with high dollar signings doesn't matter if they don't fit with the manager's team.
Never really understood why people include the short term interim guys in things like this.
Looks better for their pictures then
10 is better than 6. I guess.
It’s weird because it always to me implies they were also sacked which obviously isn’t the case.
Don`t let facts get in the way of headlines!
We know where it went wrong all over a damn horse and then it just kept getting worse. Add in another bunch of leaches and the club is being drained dry.
Anyone trys to fix it is removed.
Yep. Not much else there is to say. Nailed it.
It went wrong when the Glazers bought the club. Fergie just papered over the cracks in those final years. They don’t know anything about football and hired people who also knew nothing about football. The issues are deep. Ratcliffe hasn’t shown he’s any better, but as long as the Glazers are still there taking their dividends, the club will always be handicapped. While Amorim was frustrating at times, I truly believe the players had his back and I think the improvements were clear for anyone who actually watched the team play.
I’ll end with this. You can’t hire a manager for a 3-year rebuild (paraphrasing Ratcliffe himself) and fire him after one year based solely on results. Especially when those results have improved! Absolute joke.
This! Once Amorim started making adjustments to shape the results started improving, just lacked the killer finishes. Had we taken all three points instead of draws through Nov-Dec, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now…
Exactly! The amount of chances created v the amount of shots on target is astonishing. If we had more shots on target, we’d score way more goals. As is, we have the third most in the league.
Looks like a really shit peaky blinders promo
Squeaky Bumders
For a start, they should’ve appointed Mourinho straight after Ferguson.
But really it all went wrong when the Glazers took over the club.
This... Only this
New Managers,come and go, But Luke shaw still survives 🔥🔥🔥🔥
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This is where it all went wrong. The Glazers just hid behind SAF's success and masterclass.
the board and not having the right players for each manager's system
I gave ineos a pass at first but they've been shown to be just like the glazers.
CHASE THEM BOTH THE FUCK OUT OF THIS CLUB
Wilcox should probably go too. Ashworth also lost his job for saying this wasn’t going to work. Amorim was a good bloke but his stubbornness and refusal to adapt cost him in the end.
Wrong. Him calling out the board for being lying, corporate snakes is what got him fired. Why not sack him after Everton? Why wait?
Yeah, maybe you’re right; the board certainly don’t come out of this looking good, that’s for sure. The whole situation is a bit of a cluster fuck really.
The Glazers and INEOS. José spoke out, Rangnick warned us, Ronaldo proved it — and now Amorim.
Manchester United has fallen. There is no way back. The club died when the Glazers arrived. INEOS put the final nail in the coffin.
It was bound to happen when the top ownership is rotten . Fergie was the one who prevented the fall from grace for a while , once he was gone , the Glazers destroyed the club structure . Klopp was right when he said he was not convinced with the club's plans and chose Liverpool instead . The managers weren't bad , it was the way how things were running in the club which affected everything , whether on the field or off it .
Two words: Malcolm Glazer. May he rot in hell.
The glazers.
There could be a hundred ex managers on that picture, but look no further than the Glazers and Woodward for the real cause.
It's simple. The club was run by an accountant with no football experience for over a decade.
Man Utd should have not fired Mike Phelan after SAF retired why? Because players respected him!
If David Moyes is bringing his staff Man Utd should have said no to him! Keep Mike Phelan
Pep should have been the number 1# target but Ed Woodward and Glazers only cared about T Shirt sales, Ticket sales and Commercial deals!!!! Lets get Jose lets get a name brand manger not a long term manager!
Big Name Manager after Ole they never went for Conte in the Summer of 2021 a big name manager! instead they stick with Ole sakced him then went for Ragnick and ignored him???
DOF dilema Ed Woodward not a football man, Richard Murtough not a football man, they hire a good DOF in 2024 Dan Ashworth and sacked him in 3 months!
10 failed appointments and we still think it's the managers who are at fault
The Glazers.
Has little to do with the managers. The board and the owners are more at fault
Fergie left Moyes a grenade. So many players were over the hill.
Cringe af
This picture is amazing.
Is it? It looks depressing as shit
Some shitty AI…
Know matter WHO IS MANAGER/ HEAD COACH OF MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB THAT PERSON DESTINE BECAUSE OF THE TOXIC OF THE GLAZERS AND NOW RATCLIFFE & INEOS!
The ownership
If the recent past is anything to go by, the 11th experiment will end in the same way 😭
The United cash cow! No one is bigger than united. It's not a football club anymore, but a business.
Anyone who says all these managers were the problem, congratulations, we have another problem coming in.
You should put the face and hands of the Glazers as evil puppet masters above all managers with strings coming from the fingers
Glazers
It all went wrong with the Glazers. Full stop.
Glazers & Ineos Out!!!
2005 Glazers stealing the club is where it went wrong forget the football on the pitch the leeches have sucked the club dry and ran the club into the ground
It’s ai slop. Fuck off posting AI
Some of you would be 92 and in diapers before you accept we’re not that club anymore. Move on with your life friend
It was a huge generational shift. They had an insane team and I eventually all of those retired. And they just couldn’t create or equal equally as good ones back.
This started with Ed Woodward and inept Glazers. The ageing squad that Fergie left had a core young squad to build around but no was able to and we’ve jumped from one expensive idea to another. Now, I was never RA Out. But some of the decision making infuriated me. His unwillingness to gamble (UEL Final), his substitutions and up until recently, have a tactical plan B/C just wound me up. I never saw this coming today. He deserved a full season. For once, it wasn’t the players downing tools, this is senior management, ego & power play.
Mourinho and Ole were the closest
Rangers fan here, I reckon yous will come good eventually. Man united is one of the biggest clubs in the world, you’ll find glory again.
INEOS have yet further shown that they're absolutely useless and that funnily enough, Ruben's comments yesterday are correct. They are not doing their jobs correctly.
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely elated with joy that Ruben has finally been kicked out of the door of our great club, but there is definitely a lot of questions to be asked of INEOS.
What they've essentially proven with this sacking, is that we're run like a corporation and they've basically said that - Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Fulham, Forest, Spurs, Spurs in UEL, Grimsby, Brentford (and plenty more) meant absolutely nothing and that an argument with Jason Wilcox is what got him sacked.
I still believe that INEOS are completely shambolic, however, I think there is a bit of nuance to all of this:
Sir Jim stated that Ruben had 3 years to implement his plans etc, and that they'd be patient with him and allow him to work. He was given the longest rope in recent football history, even longer if you consider the fact that he's managing the biggest club on the planet, yet still his arrogance, stubbornness and ignorance pushed through and yesterday afternoon decided to publicly call out his higher ups and essentially blame them for the poor results.
He literally bit the hand that has been feeding and propping him up all of this time, because he's an arrogant cunt with ZERO credit in the bank to do so.
So they've sacked him, and rightfully so. How can you publicly claim that you are not being backed in the transfer window when the club allowed him to remove (rightly so) a lot of deadwood in Rashford & The Bomb Squad, then spend £200m+ on entire new front line, but still struggle to score goals, then with all of that in mind, blame the higher ups for not supporting you? Genuinely most PL clubs from West Ham to Villa would've sacked him for his long list of dreadful results.
Ruben Amorim is pound for pound, the worst manager in United and almost PL history and he's completely deserving of his P45 being handed to him.
Damn that picture is cold
Ask yourself, what and/or who remained untouched after every manager sacked? Still does today, and will do after the next repeat of this cycle?
Glazers ?
The board who keep hiring and sacking the managers without ever being held accountable themselves, but yes, Glazers are the cause of the rot.
Well... Clearly after Ferguson
These arguments don’t work for me anymore as we have an entirely new team in charge of football decisions so how can we compare the last two years to the eras of Jose, Van Gaal etc..?
We can’t.
It’s not the “same old decisions” or “clowns” or whatever it’s a new group of people and they gave Amorim more time than the previous people ever would have.
We need to wait and see what they do longer term to know how good or bad they truly are.
We’re owned by the fucking glazers and all the incompetence that comes along with them. That’s where it went wrong.
Mourinho, ETH both had almost 60% winrate.... Still got the sack.
There will be no new guy that will get close to it.
Now go in reverse order and sign RVN
It doesn't matter who did it but why does any think doing the same thing repeatedly will get a different result. United have proven that continually blaming and sacking the manager is not the solution.
The Glazers family. The buck starts and ends with them.
How much money has this rotation cost us? We fired ashworth too after chasing him for months cause he didn’t want Amorim. Amorim still has 18 months on the contract. We have horrendous financials and we just keep setting fire to more money
GLAZERS AND INEOS cash cows they don’t care about the fans!
Can add Fletcher already, and another one in a month or so, and another one in 6 months.
why are the interim managers included lol
Too much trying to buy managers out of trouble. Never really a coherent plan even with “their own players” they were never really, they were always mercenaries and panic. Absolutely no development after that, whether with the panic buys or youth.
There is no consistent vision yet. The board should do its job and set the vision and goals for everyone else.
There's an illness in the football world called 'the system manager', and every big club's management seems to want one, whatever it takes.
Well, here we stand. 5 or so system managers later. Not once was a creative adaptable manager and people-person considered who could make the existing material work with minimal additions.
We are so fucked.
Moyes didn’t get long enough. Considering he was ‘The Chosen One’. He inherited an old and depleted team and should have had more time to rebuild. SAF chose him for a reason…
I don't think you can count Rudd, Giggs, RR and Carrick as experiments. They where interim managers.
No manager could fit in. I mean as professionals they should shoulder some blame too. All of them got choices and transfers. It's not like they get everything their way in other clubs. Why cry at Manutd.
Some very mediocre players at inflated costs, some very strange tactical decisions, under utilisation of players and really terrible social media pressure. Guys like Scholes, Neville etc should be never on tv to talk about managers. They are too toxic. It's a combination of all of it. Why no new managers settle at Manutd .
Any manager elsewhere needs to win over fans and team . Here it's glazers and board and toxic ex players , British biased media and what not. Bad for mental health. Any Manutd Manager needs help . At least ex players shouldn't behave like trolls.
New apprentice season looks juicy
I'll tell you two reasons.
Sir Alex absolutely fucked this club hiring his drinking buddy. As much as we have to love him I don't think it can ever forgive him for that.
We didn't hire Emery. He's the only manager we stood a chance with that could have turned things around. No chance of that now.
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Appointing Moyes was an enormous act of self harm.
I’d give RVN a go
This is how football has always been. We were lucky with Sir Alex he is a 1 of 1 but look at all the top clubs in Europe this is how things work
Heyyo. What’s the common denominator across these ten appointments, ownership? Bingo, there’s your answer.
A huge part of this involves SAF, who is not talked about much, but had a say in most managers’ decisions.
Transfers
I suddenly want to buy a trenchcoat 🔥
The board doesn't trust any of the processes.
Terrible ownership, an over-sensationalist media, petulant fans, and the constant firing of managers mid-season only for them to be replaced in a panic with a manager playing a completely different style who will then want a whole new load of players.
Cheers Geoff-GPT
There is only one common denominator: the ownership. As long as these greedy J bastards nothing is gonna change.
Yet when we wanted the Qataris, y'all complained about some virtue signalling BS.
Should have given David moyes longer
The Glazers' faces should be in the clouds looking ominous as they are the cause of all this.
Ironically the raging success of Ferguson now actively harms everything the club does. Particularly with such awful ownership. Competent leaders could have used that platform, kicked on and kept them competing at the top. Now the relentless expectations from that era are always the yardstick. Impossible to replicate, whilst those owner parasites still eat the club alive on the back of a successful time, they barely contributed to.
Man Utd need a total rebuild. From top to bottom. Maybe just keeping the ground and groundsmen/caterers & such, but it needs gutting and rebuilding.
I don't like how managers are so expendable but the players aren't. And that's a whole problem in itself and not just at Man U....
Fab sure loves using AI for his engagement bait
The fans and owners are to blame.
Given the managers at the helm, one has to look at the quality of the players and the hierarchy’s focus on the commercial side of things vs building the strongest team possible. The ownership hasn’t been an enabler of football success, let’s say.
The club hasn't learnt anything. Rinse and repeat.
Enjoy Klopp.
Don't count player managers who took over for a few weeks to months
RVN should have been manager
No problem with the sacking itself, but the timing of it.
You need to sack a manager for sporting reasons, not because he called out the board.
These owners are worse than Glazers - inflated egos on top of money grabbing.
It'll never stop until the vermin are gone.
padding the numbers with interims and caretakers
all of the permanent ones had a fair shake and were found wanting.
One common denominator.
The glazers
Maybe United’s “greatness” is the exception not the rule. Ie it’s more Ferguson than the team/brand. It’s just a realization being played out over a long time horizon.
I want RvN back
The main problem is Neville, Carragher and the rest of our so called Legends who just want to live in the past and put pressure on anyone who tries to develop the club
changing coaches instead of managers
Glazers. And lack of succession planning.
I think it’s bad for United supporters to push the false narrative going around in the media that interim managers were “philosophies or projects” But then I don’t support United so I’m not sure how you guys like to operate
Ferguson & Gill leaving with a few months of each other. Next question.
After everyone who was appointed and then sacked, it only stinged me for Ole and now for Ruben, I liked his honesty and really believed he was the one. It really hurts...
Bring back Ole. Only man who even came close to actually achieving something long term and who showed any promise without the false pretences of silverware. Only man who can save this club.
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It went wrong because we were and, for some god forsaken reason, still are looking for the next SAF.
Fix a style, get managers/coaches to implement that. Use existing players. Buy players for fixing gaps and improving depth.
Let managers prove themselves here before selling/buying majority of the team. That is unless it is a world class manager who wants 1-3 expensive players as soon as he comes in.
Imo, a relatively consistent style across managers is the only thing that will get us out of this constant "rebuild" cycle.
It is like we want to build a skyscraper. We keep building 1-2 floors and change the architect. New architect feels like the design doens't match his style. Rips out floors/foundation and starts again. Who in the right mind would do that?
Tldr: plan for short term managers who will take us forward. Hope for them to be successful and stay long term. But plan for short/medium term and plan for transitions.
should have supported mourinho back then he was the who brought real results but instead fans and media went after him. I think its down to clubs arrogance, he's still the best manager utd had post fergie
Caretakers in there? Behave!
Chelsea fan here but cold image!
Since glazers coming, everything goes wrong. glazers OUT
Pieces of 7 unfinished puzzles don't fit together.
Giggs, Carrick, Ruud, and id say Rangnick shouldnt be there
Nothing went wrong with Carrick.
Mourinho is the only manager in there that should’ve been fully backed or even in the conversation for the United job and he should’ve been here as soon as SAF left. He wanted this job so bad.
Woodward was the biggest problem for most of these managers.