After watching his post match press conference yesterday I definitely got a vibe that there is obviously a lot of internal friction going on at the minute. The reason I think he will be gone today is because I always keep a close eye on the betting markets and Amorim was 3rd favourite to be the next manager to get sacked yesterday morning at 5/1 but this morning he is straight in as favourite at 4/9. Bookmakers don’t usually get these types of things wrong. I think he will be clearing out his locker today.
Well, you got it right.
Haha so I did lol
Did you make any money?
No I don’t usually bet, I just check the markets when situations like this come up because it was obvious that there was something going on behind the scenes
You got the lottery numbers as well fella?
We’ll know in a few hours. Normally things break around lunchtime
Edit: Romano says he’s just been sacked.
I know I will have the radio on all day listening to the sports news for sure
Don’t hold your breath that they’ll sack him today though
Edit: Amorim sacked. Confirmed
They just sacked him
Yeah, I made edits. You were spot on.
Aged like milk
Literally news broke 2 mins after I posted the comment.
Benefits of being in the states is all this stuff breaks overnight. First thing I checked when I worke up was if he was gone...after watching the press conference last night I was pretty confident he would be.
Yeah it was inevitable after his meltdown
Honestly
May I know what should I follow to remain updated
I listen to Talksport, I actually just called in and was speaking on it there briefly lol
u/SirRyan007
....a.k.a. Talkshite. That "content" and it's presenters are hitrocious, b.
The Lowest Common Denominator, imho.
Honestly, I’d rather sack Wilcox and Barrada.(and the rest of the board)
Maybe but who is gonna sack them? The glazers?
All of them deserve the sack.
Wilcox gone along with Amorim should've been bare minimum. Barrada may survive for the time being to overlook an new appointment but he should go as well. There's been too many cock ups under his watch.
Why?
They’ve built a new training ground, signed Mbeumo, Cunha, Lammens and Sesko and gave the manager more time than our previous board would have even considered.
But you’d back a manager with a 30 something percent win percentage over them?
Here me out!
Dan Ashworth chased for years sack in few months
Sir Dave Brailsford, right hand man of Jim Ratclifee. That guy step back fron United back to ineos.
Rubin Amorim, board chase him during season, unsettled him in mid of the season to manage United.
Sign him in the mid of season sacked him in the mid of season.
Are they crazy or what?? Rubin was clearly improving with what he had. What shit lineup we are playing with, I dont care about opponent team but our main players are on line up
Just think, Maguire, De Ligt, Mazzouri, Bruno Fernandez, Amad, Mason Mount, Mbuemo, Kobiee Maino all players are out. These are heart of United, our football depends on these players.
We are playing with shit Ugarte in centre. Did you guys see he cant he even put a simple pass forward if he is in pressure. We have Dorgu on right side. Sesko is so unfinished product what can we expect.
Shaw has no legs for LWB, Casemiro already over performing.
What the hell this board is done.
Lets talk about CEO Omer Bradda fking who??? COO Mancity my ass. Thats Pep Guardiola team like Utd had Sir Alex Ferguson
Jason Wilcox fking who acaxemy director of Man City. Literally Phil Foden is the only name that comes up from City product. Should we credit Phil Foden success to this guy????
Lets talk about Jim Ratclife and INEOS. Own OG Nice: 7 manager sacked in 5 years, high player turnover with high spending, bare Europa League qualifications with no CL qualification
This is your board guys wake up.. Rubin was under performing but he was not a bad manager, I strongly believe he would have done what Arteta doing this season in Arsenal.
I hate this board more than Glazers
200% agree.
They went out of their way to get him mid season, to play his system and bring his philosophy. They obviously promised to give him the players he needed to make it work, but he ultimately stated the 24th of December, he realized he would get it.
There are also positives with Amorim, wouldn't you say?
Yes they did go out of their way to get him mid season. He could have said no though.
“They obviously promised to give him the players he needed to make it work” - this is an assumption. They may have expected him to coach the existing squad and evolve over time. He’s had 6 first team player signings and £250m in less than 18 months though.
I’d agree there are positives with Amorim but there’s more negatives at the moment. Meanwhile everyone at the club seem happy with Wilcox so Amorim appears to be picking a fight he can’t win. It reminds me of Jose just taking digs at the board to get himself sacked and paid off.
Why? Because they've brought Amorim in, knowing his style and didn't want to support him beyond 1 transfer window, which wasn't exactly as Amorim wanted. Amorim wanted a midfielder, not a striker in the summer window. They should've been gone along with Amorim.
If anything, their responsibility on this mess is way larger than Amorim.
Personally, I would sack all of them.
Wilcox and Barrada had nothing to do with the training ground, that's INEOS/Jim Ratcliffe.
Yes, they have signed Mbeumo and Cunha (very solid PL players, good purchases although not amazing since everyone could see how good they are), Lammens (excellent signing so far), and Sesko (a prospect, I like his potential but not sure the club has time to see how good he can become).
But the main issue is the selection of managers and how they have handled the long term building of the club. Why did they go for Amorim and his 3-4-3 system even though the club had (and has) not enough players that suit that demanding style of play? There are reports other PL clubs did not go for Amorim because they did not want to upend the entire system because they knew it would cost essentially a billion to replace the players with elite specialists needed for the system (pure wingbacks etc.).
So they went for Amorim even though they should have known all of the above. And then they did not get him any wingbacks or CMs in the summer even though those are the most crucial specialist positions in Amorim's system and they did not go for or get the players Amorim wanted (he did not want Sesko). I'm fine with Amorim going, he hasn't been good enough and hasn't been able to extract enough of the players he has available, but Wilcox/Barrada are trying to save their own ass here even though they should have seen this coming a mile away.
Updated the interior of an existing training ground.......bit of a difference.
Not much if you compare the two. It was a £50m revamp.
100% with you.
You’ll probably find 99% of those blaming the board were Amorim supporters who wanted to avoid him of the blame, because if they don’t, they were wrong all along.
Berrada has an unbelievable reputation in the role he was in at City. So did Wilcox at Southampton as DOF.
Wilcox and Berrada have nothing to the with the new training ground please
You think the CEO and director of football have “nothing to do” with a £50m training ground refurb?
Of course they do.
Berrada started at man utd in July 2024. The plans for the renovations were approved in June 2024 and had likely been in motion way before that.
You can disparage Amorim, support the board and not tell lies at the same time.
You honestly think that by signing those 4 players is enough to put United at elite? You still have Dalot, Shaw, Ugarte, lack of midfield and a solid defensive turn. Amorim ask to be backed and they say the solution is in the formation of youngsters. You think that’s legit? Arsenal and City are always signing prem proven and world class players. You can’t compete with them by using Fletchers and Amass. Amorim was 5 just 3 points from Liverpool. I bet you won’t finish top 10. Shitty club and shitty fanbase. Bruno Fernandes should have leave your stupid club, Amorim forces squad to keep them. No words for such incompetence
This is a Man Utd sub go back to the rock you came from
Good luck to your fall back dirty fan. You don’t know nothing about football. Arteta got more than one entire season and so on. Keep supporting Shaws and Dalots. Support Fletchers and Amass. Stupid club. You will fall
How old are you lol
Is your life that shit you have to go on a rival teams page and communicate like a 12 year old
Stop replying my comments dude. Go to work
This is the reality of the situation - he was a mistake but at least they’ve acknowledged it quickly enough
Why?
Wilcox has some positives.
He forced ETH to change formation from his braindead donut midfield and we won the FA cup, and be also forced amorim to change formation when the 3421 is clearly stupid.
The problem is he fired ETH too late and in Amorim appointed a manager completely antithetical to the ethos of Manchester United.
Also he’s a former Leeds United player so fuck him regardless.
And there should be some prize to pay for the garbage football we’ve been forced to watch over the last 2-3 years.
So yeah, both him and Amorim need to fuck off.
Wilcox was there when Amorim was appointed so should have known how insistent he was to continue with his 343
The due diligence at the club is atrocious, they don’t seem to have a clue why they’re bringing people in, whether it’s player level like Sancho, manager level like Amorim and even board level with Ashworth…
To be fair the only bad decision they have done so far is hiring Amorim, clearly it hasn't gone the way they planned but their signings were great barring Sesko who's been poor (probably Vivell's fault more than them seen as he apparently wanted him).
Do they pick and train the team? Make the substitutions? They should be sacked as well for this terrible appointment, but this will have to do and if it was either or, well, I cant watch another Amorim shitfest.
Agree
Sacked. Here we go again
I'm not sure how this goes, ultimately it's going to end with Amorim sacked it's just a question of whether they do it now or at the end of the season. I'm honestly torn on what would be best to do.
On one hand we could persist with him but results carry on being poor and we finish mid table with no European football again and sack him anyway.
Or we could sack him now, get a new manger in who might improve performances and save the season from complete misery.
To be honest the way Amorim was talking in his press conference I don't think he would stay beyond his contract end either so whats the point of keeping him if he doesn't see himself staying beyond 18 months time? He basically admitted he will move on, he's indirectly told the board to sack him and I can only guess they will do. I'm sure they will be meeting today to discuss it and it could result in him being sacked.
You are right, the conference was bizarre, he basically told the board I’m not quitting my contract is up in 18 months if you don’t like it then you will have to fire me. That’s basically what he said in a nutshell.
Yeah 100%, thats exactly how I interpreted it too, to be honest it has kind of left them no choice but to sack him now because it makes no sense to stick with a guy who's leaving in 18 months anyway.
Jesus that was fast he's just been sacked!
He’s gone!
Good call. Got the lottery numbers mate?
I wish lol
Don’t suppose you know the lottery numbers?
Being happy about this is so pathetic
I think the Utd manager role is going to become the job no one wants soon.
Ornstein is saying that the word behind the scenes is that Fletcher is getting interim until the end of the season.
The bookmakers set odds based on where money is going, meaning people like yourself think he’s getting fired due to his comments and start putting bets on. Reality is he probably won’t be fired until the end of the season.
EDIT:
Well you were wrong weren't you
🤣fucking hell, that aged like milk in about 2 minutes!
Never doubt the bookies mate. They know more than you do
You got proven wrong in record time 😂
No they don't. The betfair exchange is what dictates these markets. The bookies basically copy and paste.
What you are saying is true to a certain extent but you very rarely see a huge shift like that overnight so I do believe there is something going down today. Could be wrong
It’s a huge shift because everyone thinks he just did a Mascera. He’s clearly frustrated about the lack of transfers coming in this month, he explicitly said he isn’t leaving. The board aren’t going to sack him on a whim. It’s just people getting excited and putting a bet on.
He was also favourite to go at the start of the season and after Grimsby. He’s still here.
EDIT:
Woops.
the board
What do you think now?
🤣 well in hindsight he was favourite to be fired…
😂
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Aww soft arse, get over it. Do you know how many times a season Amorim has been favorite for the sack? Pretty much every time he loses a game. Just because people are putting their money somewhere doesn't mean it will happen. It was Nuno up until this morning, he's still got a job last I checked!
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I’ll just downvote you and laugh at the fact I was wrong on this occasion. It’s pretty much peak irony and you chose to be annoyed about it instead of laugh like everyone else.
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🤣holding me account? Start the year as you mean to go on champ!
Ain’t happening today mate.
He just got sacked
Didn’t age well 🤣
😀😆
Vanity is the sin our club commits and we as fans are paying the price.
What’s the lottery numbers
We found the leak!
GLAZERS OUT
This thread after the fact is the funniest thing to read… so many ‘not today mate’
He’s staying no way they sack him
That aged like milk left out in the sun in the middle of summer
He’s gone. A manager can’t challenge the board like that in a press conference, especially a manager whose results gave been so poor. We seen it with Maresca at Chelsea or Nuno at Forest, once you start calling out the board like that you are gone! And good riddance to him he’s been completely shit.
You haven't a clue. Another delusional fan in this sub.
Congrats on all board. I bet United won’t finish top 10! Stupid club! Amorim insists to Keep Fernandes when all the board wanted to sell him. Amorim insists that needs new players and the board keeps telling him that Fletchers and others players are the solution. Good luck fighting against Arsenal and City hegemony. While they sign new players and fresh blood you want to put folks and insist on Shaw and Dalot. NO ONE in the World can do miracles with that team. You lost a fan. And I hope all the worst happens to your club! Bye
Not a fan of the club though, just an Amorim fan boy
Sure. Amorim was the one who could recover your stupid club. Good luck fella
Who will you support now?
No one
You mean 'Anyone'?
No. I mean I won’t support any other club. For me idc about the premier this season.
You edited your original comment.
I made a mistake.
Hopefully!
Would make the first day back at work this year a bit better.
Well he is gone thank goodness, he has been sacked
Good call m8
Thanks mate
I have a feeling Berrada and co aren't willing to throw away their 'project' yet. INEOS are many things but they are not reactionary.
They threw the towel in there now, he’s gone
Tbh Amorim has done nothing to justify more time so he should go..
Also though, Wilcoc and Berrada choosing him have a lot of responsibility as well.. They knew what system he played and what he needed. They have fucked up a lot of desicions (eth not getting sacked after the cup final, getting ashworth while not allowing him to work his way etc)
With this kind of sacking and internal strife going on, doesn't make it appealing for anyone else to join.
This might not be a bad opportunity to bring in Glasner and give him 6 months to see how things evolve. If it doesn’t work out then we would still have the summer to bring a high profile manager like Xavi, Conte or Emery.
Not sure Glasner would make us much better. Same formation with same player problems (no midfielders capable of playing the system) Palace play a more defensive/counter attack style 343 so I think that would not go down well at this stage but who knows what will happen
We can still get EL. It's a throw of the dice and I freely admit it might fall wrong, but we are 10th with Amorim IMO. Get him out and get an interim in until the end of the season. Forget the league position, it's fake.
Gone
Bookies are never wrong
He's been sacked. Fuk these owners
U were right... this club is finished
After sacking a manager who barely ever wins?
United are an absolute joke of a club. What are we doing, seriously. It’s a shambles. Revolving door of managers/systems/tactics. Club needs continuity and stability, it takes time to build a squad and I was more than willing to give Amorim time to do it, that said I’m not the one paying the bills. Shambles.
Amorim got rid of players because of what they were posting on social media and then he starts bitching about the board in press conferences, it’s not exactly setting a good example
Rinse and fucking repeat. Give the new manager less than a season. 6 months till the plastics call for him to be sacked
New gaffer will sell a bunch of players at a loss and pay united tax bringing in new ones. Doesn't matter cos the players don't give a fuck. Bruno is going to leave and we still haven't fixed the gaping hole in midfield since Fergie left. From bad to worse
Just got fired
We were improving, sure were not winning but we are 6th. With returning players we would have done better, i think its more about his relationship with upper management than results alone. What a shitshow! Another one sacrificed by management to save face, and the cycle continues.
OP can you look at the betting market and tell us who is the favourite to become our next full time manager?
Pity....
What are the betting markets you followed to see this unfold ?
I use oddschecker
it was a stupid decision ngl
Good instinct. Call it again on the next manager. I wanna bet 🤣
His lack of flexibility is what’s cost him, he clearly got “forced” to play 4-4-2 and open in those Newcastle and Bournemouth games, and then reverted to his usual after probably as a protest against being told what to do, which obviously then came to a head.
What do bookmakers say about slott? as rn united, chelsea and liverpool have been playing a game of "whatever you can do, I can do better" or do as well 😂
Surprised by how many supporters just want him to be sacked when he was brought specifically to play his 343 in a team which has never played it before. So it needed atleast 3 transfer windows. Compared to last season, team has improved a lot. Got him the right players and we see the difference in attack, matching City. We are struggling to beat the bottom half teams but so are others, such is this season and the standard of EPL. Remember how much time Klopp was given by Liverpool. How much time Arteta has been given by the board. Managers need time to build teams and style of play.
Go on, get another manager for board's unclear communication/ planning and then sack him too. Thats what we have been doing for more than a decade. Thats why we will always end up where we are.
You think you are the first person to mention Klopp and ARTETA as an excuse to defend this?
https://preview.redd.it/l3mcjrxx7ibg1.jpeg?width=2235&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98cdf1cf785ad2ee6548225277a90ac1b8d273f5
Any way, go celebrate mate !! https://x.com/i/status/2008115882627871107
So what does that photo tell ? Yes he is struggling so ? Has the attack not improved ? Are we not losing ganes due to defence ? Do we have our main defenders ? You think Xani gets better out of this team ? Playing 7 defenders against Leeds ? Delusional. I agree games are not being won but for the attack looks more potent in possession for the first time. Loved Ole but that was only counters and transitions. He has fixed offence this season. And I can drop a photo about that too.
Give him time, budget fix the defence and mid. Are you 100% sure the next manager would do better ?
You’re saying we don’t have our main defenders like we didn’t have 1 win in 7 before AFCON?. The attack doesn’t look better because of Amorim it looks better because they are BETTER PLAYERS. Duhh, it’s not rocket science. Even still the attack is still not being gotten the best out of. Mbeumo has not been utilised properly, he’s had Cunha playing upfront for majority of the season, Sesko hardly gets clear cut chances to score.
Oh wow he's improved from 15th. What a high barm better keep in any manager that does better than 15th permanently I guess
Dude, you you just look at the table or do you see the stats broken down as well. We are not 14th or 12th or 10th. We are 6th and close to top 4. Yes, that was the target this season. Top 4. Get out of Delusion land. SAF isnt running the show if you didnt notice. And we got the managers with pedigree to run yhat show and even they were sacked. Bring. Promise. Fail. Repeat. Amorim said 343 forever and you bring him. Then you tell him to play otherwise, thats on the board and Wilcox. You have to give time. And yes, I say look at klopp because look how he developed Liverpool. Won nothing for the fiest 2-3 yrs, didnt even come close and then it clicks. Get another one now anyway. Repeat the cycle because apparently 15th to 6th is not good enough because we are ManUtd.
He would've been afforded more time had he not finished 15th then started calling out his employer. Incredibly stupid thing to do
He didnt finish 15th. He took Ten Hags team and tried to play 343 with them. The same reason why he didnt wanna come here in Jan. And the clun bought him to play 343. Now you tell him to play with different formations. If you need a coach, you will only get PE teachers. Anyone who knows how to play and win, will have an ego and would like to manage the club. Good luck to them.
Btw, this was just a few months back
https://preview.redd.it/xq6qijnvekbg1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a53af5069c80f53c31f0e797f08e6b2dd6de27ad
Amorim defenders genuinely living in an alternative reality.
Regarding your image, this is not a knee jerk decision. This is because he has a 38% win rate across 63 games. A knee jerk reaction would be to persist with him because we currently have injuries (even though we were also losing whilst injury free)
Bro, compare the win rates of any manager when he is building a team. It will always be worse compared to when the team he wants is ready. Why are you believing that he was brought in to play the system we are used to. He said he will.play 343 and you snatched him in Jan to play it and when he asked for players, you say change to 442. You handpicked him among all managers in Europe while there was a manager at the club eho btw had better win% than him Everyone that we have sacked had better win% than him. And where are all of them ? If win% could tell everything, then as per your understanding, we suck even more.
Just allow someone to build a team for the decade while you get a top 6 place, thats it. Lottery business here !!
One can only hope
hes been sacked!!!! Romano just confirmed
He basically sacked himself at that press conference
YES, it’s making the newswires now!! So dam pissed at this crap!! They going put Darren Fletcher interim, wtf are we doing?
We are running a circus here. Who are they going to solicit for the job now? 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬
My choice is for Xavi Hernandez if they are able to convince him. Nonetheless if Xavi does come give the guy time!!
I can see them giving it to Maresca
Timing is a bit suspicious
Yea exactly Wgat I was thinking
And the cycle starts again 😴 so fed up with this club
Bring back Kobbie!
😆
Adios to the Charlatan 👋🏽🤣
Just the usual baseless speculation combined with the Amorim out fervour that has made this sub unbearable.
Bookmakers change their odds on what the market is saying and what people are betting for, not always on inside knowledge nor any other information. Because of his comments yesterday, there's more speculation, and so bookmakers follow it to make money.
Unlike a lot of people on this sub, the United owners aren't stupid. They've backed him multiple times publicly and privately, all reports indicate that they have a good friendly relationship with him, they've invested in him and his coaching, and can see progress that would be undone by the huge upheaval that sacking him midseason would bring.
You might want to check the news mate he’s been sacked
Smh you were right
To be honest when you a huge shift like that in the market you know something is going to happen. I think he pretty much sacked himself at that post match press conference
I'm sure you're correct but also nothing that I've said is wrong either.
Completely baffling decision that puts us back to square one
Well we desperately need a cm but we have Kobbie there who Amorim refused to give a chance to so maybe this will give Kobbie a chance to get a run in the team. Also I prefer Bruno in the 10 role so it could actually work out better in the short term.
FFS Kobbie wasn't the solution to our CM problems. We needed someone who can break up play, fight in the air, read passes etc, which aren't qualities that Kobbie has. He is a lot more similar to Bruno than Casemiro, and we needed players more similar to Casemiro.
And Bruno does well in the 10, but also well deeper, and since there are plenty of options for the number 10, better to have him play deeper and then other players in the 10, than him in the 10 and not be able to fit players like Mbeumo or Cunha or Mount
I’d say Casemiro and Kobbie in behind Bruno might work well as a midfield 3. Yea I agree it is not the long term solution but it is better than what we have been playing this season.
Ok maybe under a different system, but under Amorim's 3-5-2, where would Mbeumo, Cunha, Amad potentially, Mount etc play?
Mbuemo is actually a RW and Cunha is actually a LW by trade. Amad can play on both sides so there would be competition for places which is always a good thing and options coming off the bench. Same with Mount, he could play in a deeper role or even as back up for Bruno when he is fit
5 at the back at a big club gone, football the winner today 👏.
He's staying atleast the end of this season guys.