Once, at a company where I worked as an architect, I used the company laptop’s Photoshop to make my daughter’s birthday invitation. It took maybe ten minutes. My boss saw it in the recent files while we were reviewing a project together and told me the computer was for work only. I just said “Ok”, because… well, what else was I going to say.
That same week I traveled to another city to survey a building. I did everything with the tape measure and laser the company provided. When I got back, he asked if I had already downloaded the photos, because he wanted to see the inside of the building. I told him I hadn’t taken any photos, since my phone was personal. He was furious on the inside, but couldn’t show it, because months earlier I had asked the company for a work phone and they had refused.
The next day, a brand new Samsung appeared on my desk. And off I went again to the same city, to take the photos, with the company paying for flights, hotel, and all the doubled expenses.
That's malicious compliance - well done!
imagine the irony of bending rules and getting rewarded with a new phone
Bending? He complied directly with the instructions given!
Not bending, adhering strictly to the rules as laid out by boss.
I'm not sure i'd call a "work" phone a reward lol, now they'll be able to be in touch with you 24/7... not fun
Not if you turn it off during non-working hours. There was a big issue at my company related to after-hours calls, and several employees finally said, "if you want to pay me to be on call, that's fine, but if not, the phone turns off at 5pm." Management was furious, but what could they legally do? Nothing.
In Aus it is now illegal for you work to contact you outside working hours
As it should be!
For most matters. To my understanding, scheduling (under certain circumstances) is one of those things they can reach out about.
It also makes sense. Managers cannot ask you to take over the shift of a sick colleague if they're not allowed to contact you outside work hours.
I'd toss in the flipside: Management also cannot let you know that you got an unexpected day off (or work-from-home day) if they're not allowed to contact you outside of work hours, either.
In Ireland too! Some people at my husband's job just got a talking to about this because they would send emails on the weekends for people to do work and get mad when it wasn't done by Monday morning.
1 call to HR and that was shut down immediately.
I used to work for a non-profit. Regular staff hours are weekdays. But volunteers do projects on weekends. Staff rotate weekend shifts. As manager, I can do weekends and then skip a couple of weekdays. We have a Staff groupchat where all tasks that need to be done are listed (mostly little things here and there from the various project heads, and other volunteers). BUT staff has marching orders that if they are not on shift for the weekend, they're not allowed to look at the chat 😅 They will need to review the chat when they get in during office hours because there may be things they need to accomplish.
In any case, everyone was free to send in instructions and whatnot over the weekend, but no one is allowed to expect things to be done (unless it's related exactly to the weekend project, which the weekend staff would accomplish).
Can confirm this not sure what was the catalyst behind it but you can bet your as something happened that made them push for this and get it passed.
If they contact me outside working hours and I answer, it’d be minimum 2 hours overtime
Not entirely correct. They can contact you, you don't need to answer/reply and they cannot penalise you in any way for it.
Also, in Australia our employee protection laws are framed that the burden of proof is on the employer to prove they didn't break the law.
Nah. I just turned mine off at the end of the day.
Or set it to automatically go into "do not disturb" mode outside working hours.
That required more charging. 😂
Mine stays in the desk, I don't even leave the building with it.
I work for myself and my office phone stays at the office when I leave.
This is the way
it sure is
This. My work phone never leaves the center console of my truck, turned off.
Also OP was following the rules to the letter, not bending them at all. That's the whole point of the sub.
"Working to rule" is by far the best industrial action to take.
Well, when you clock out you’re not on shift anymore so you’re not obligated to answer your work phone.
If they want you to pick up 24/7 they can pay you to be on-call 24/7, but until then, when OP clocks out that phone is getting turned off
I had a work phone at my last job. My boss called me in the middle of my mother in law’s funeral, which I ignored, and didn’t call him back afterwards (I had a day’s leave for the funeral). The next day he tore strips off me for not calling him back. I told him I left the phone at home.
As the title mentioned Euros and most (if not all) European countries have a "right to disconnect (from work)" this seems like a non issue.
Well, if they have similar laws there as they do here, contacting him outside of office hours can cause them to have to pay overtime rates for minimum blocks of time...and considering that the laws we have *here* were modelled after the ones in the EU...
Plus, I'd leave it plugged in at work (and powered off) at the end of the day.
That doesn't seem like it would be an option in OP's case given it had to be taken to a different city to take photos of a site. Can't leave it at your work desk if your work includes travel.
As others have pointed out, however, it can always be turned off or put it in Do Not Disturb mode.
Ah... fair point, but I was presuming not needing to leave on a trip... ;)
That being said, a work trip is a different coloured horse... the work trip would require the phone to be with me, although, it would still be turned off "after-hours" unless they were willing to pay on-call rates. ;)
I had a work phone and it was only on during my work hours. Unless I was on call, it was off. My time is my time
Sorry, personal electricity is not work electricity, my work phone ran out of charge
Yeah, I was initially very happy that I'd get a work phone, and about the fact that they basically let me select any phone available at the time.
I selected an S21 Ultra. How cool, I thought, that they let me get a big flagship phone.
Now I just hate having to carry that brick around, in addition to my personal phone.
In a growing number of European countries it is illegal for your employer to try to contact you outside of working hours (without prior arrangement). Even if that is not the case, I'd rather my employer only had access to my company phone number (which I can turn off as soon as I leave work) rather than my personal phone number (which I can't realistically turn off unless I want to cut myself off from family, friends, ride hailing, music, etc.)
That's when you look up the laws relating to on-call labor and use the best Dungeon Master technique of "Yes, but."
Depends on the local laws and what you negotiate.
Not unless you have an "on-call" stipulation in your agreement. Only work the hours you're paid.
No. Work phones are to be ignored at all times except when being paid.
Stuck to the the letter of the law as it was set out, no bending there
A Samsung phone is hardly a reward - Your Local Apple Devotee
More of a reward than an iPhone.
Nice story.
Work bought all IT staff phones. Had one for 23 years. When I retired it was a pain in the ass to get a new one and a new number.
Luckily, my son let me be on his Verizon plan for $50 a month thru Costco and since I signed up thru Costco the same exact (smaller) phone was free.
Heard from friends and family that the poor lady who got my old number was getting frustrated with all the calls and help desk requests. LOL
RIP her, that shit is impossible to stop. I used to have a buddy whose home phone number was the old one for the local Walmart, and therefore the number listed in most everyone's phone books.
They got constant non-stop calls at all hours and the phone company wouldn't let them change their number and was the only phone company around so they had little choice but to keep it unplugged unless they wanted to make a call and then unplug it again after.
Any incoming calls had to be precisely scheduled or theyd be answering 100 other calls in the same hour while waiting for the right one.
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Sometimes he got frustrated and would plug the phone back in and pretend to be a really fricking rude Walmart employee. I know thats not very cool now, but it seemed like decent fun at the time with us both being young teenagers. He made some people very angry indeed.
I grew up in Windsor in England and our house telephone number was the old Tourist Information phone line. It didn’t stop for years
Did you tell everyone "of course you can climb to the top of the tower" and "no it doesn't close at 6pm, its actually open 24/7 now" and and such?
We did a few times at the start but then we remembered it wasn’t the callers fault and it could ruin someone’s holiday. In the end we just answered what they were asking if we knew the answer 😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XagGEi_n_ok
I would've made it Walmart's problem until they got me a new number lol.
"Use the code OLDNUMBER for 40% off your total."
My cell phone number was the old fax number for an office machine repair shop. Their number moved area codes while keeping the last seven, but obviously people had old stickers or magnets or post-its around their office. I would get annoying fax calls, which would sometimes auto-retry over and over again, though thankfully only during normal business hours. However, there is no good way to tell a fax machine they have the wrong number.
Solution: I made up a page that very politely informed folks that they had a wrong number and would fax it back to them from my office. I gave them the new number for the company they were looking for. It only took a year or two to work through all the people with wrong numbers. Once I had a solve, I sort of enjoyed the process. I also learned how to send a fax, which is quaint.
Quaint. I feel so old. Faxing was new tech when I entered the workforce.
If it makes you feel better I once flew to Dallas for a presentation to a bunch of Pizza Hut VPs and all they had in the conference room was an overhead projector. Like … warn me about that anachronism in advance please. I woulda brought some vis-a-vis markers at least so I could draw up my charts and graphs.
Yeah, trying to get that thermo-whatever paper reloaded into the fax machine was a pain, AND you never ever NEVER knew when it ran out!
Damn bro the fax machine was invented in 1843. How old are you?
1843? you sure? I started working in the late 1980's
I'm pretty sure I could have gotten that fixed inside of a week: "Thank you for choosing Walmart. This week's partner charity is the North American Man-Boy Love Association. Will you be making your contribution via Visa or Mastercard?" And just repeat.
Corporations spend billions protecting their brand. A couple days of answering the phone like this and you'll find the outlier who calls corporate or the local news. Make it Walmart's problem and it gets solved pronto.
No but it you'd be willing to switch to the North American Marlon Brando lookalike association I still wouldn't
A friend of mine had a similar issue- a local Chinese restaurant had a phone number one digit off from hers. So if the Chinese place was 555-1234, she was 555-1235. There was the occasional misdial but it was no big deal.
Anyway one day the Chinese place did a newspaper ad- with the wrong number, the ad said 555-1235. Friend called the Chinese place asking them to fix it. They didn't seem to care, as it was only one of their many ads they were running.
So my friend would get nonstop calls all the time. Even with the voicemail saying 'You've reached 555-1235, this is not a Chinese food place, that's 555-1234. This is the personal phone of ____ . If you want to reach ____ please leave a message'. And people would still leave their orders on the voicemail.
Eventually my friend got fed up so she adopted a new policy- take orders. It was usually faster than explaining to people that they got the wrong number, when they refused to believe it. So someone would call she'd say 'okay you want lo mein noodles, fried rice, sesame chicken, and 4 egg rolls? That'll be $35.25 please pay driver cash'. Then of course an hour later the customer would call back furious that there's no food and she'd say 'sorry we lose you order, kitchen closing now sorry too bad for you try again tomorrow'.
The place FINALLY fixed their ad when they started getting 1-star reviews.
Had that happen once to my parents when I was a kid, well they were the victim of the guy tired of getting the phone calls. He told them it was in stock but they had to hurry before close. So they packed up and drive an hour out to go get the item..... The store never carried the item.
I spent the next 3 weeks specifically calling him at 3am every few mornings for shits and giggles revenge while he screamed into the phone at me. "Oh so you're not x store, sorry." Rinsed and repeated till bored.
You see... everybody had their share of fun AND anger!
Good times all around!
it was quite the circle
I’d get the phone number of the phone company rep that told you that you couldn’t get a new number. Then record the message on your phone,
“Our old number has changed. Our new number is xxx-xxxx.”
Probably take less than a week for them to suddenly find you a new number.
You aren't kidding. I had to get a second phone to use for my business and it took two tries to get a decent number. The first number was for a guy who had died months earlier and people kept calling for him. Depressing as heck.
It is actually very cool to do that.
Why should random people be punished for looking up a number and it being out of date? How does that help people? How does making other people's days worse for things they don't control "very cool"?
Seems we've still got some work to do getting some of you to clue in.
Random people should absolutely be punished for not taking 'no, you've got the wrong number'. You had your chance.
Before getting that number we lived with my grandparents and used their phone. In ‘83 we moved into our own place. I used both phone numbers all through my childhood.
Walmart deserves it. No love for them.
No, that's the only way I've heard a stubborn company actually change their number. Actually, i think it was basically like you gotta promise the customer anything they want fire dirt cheap, & tell them your name is the managers name
Many many moons ago, I had a new house phone installed at my apartment. Found out shortly it used to belong to a bible bookstore that went out of business.
A lot of customers didnt and kept calling to place special orders for Christmas. They kept calling so much we stopped answering the phone.
Then we started getting calls from people they owed money too...
Definitely the hardest people to convince that they have the wrong number lol
Not if you know the right laws to cite at them. Also if they decide to ignore those laws you can make money as fines are awarded to the "injured party". Had a friend get something like $200 from one asshat company that refused to stop calling even after he gave proof the number was not longer associated with who they were looking for.
A Bible store? Perfect. I'd start offering them just about every other religious book, real or imagined, I could think of. From the Qur'an to the Necronomicon. Just no, we don't stock the Bible anymore.
Since it was around the holidays when this happened, we discussed how funny it would be to take the special orders and guarantee the delivery by Christmas, but then disconnect the phone a week before.
My extension is very similar to the IT extension. I get phone calls all the time for IT. They're extremely rude 90% of the time and mad at me for their stuff not working. If they're really rude I talk down to them. "If you couldn't dial the correct number for IT its safe to assume your PC not turning on it because you didn't plug it in."
This good as taking the photos with your own ohone is data security breach
It’s not a breach of data security if the company doesn’t have a data security. ;-)
This is the way!
Oversight on his part. It seems that like you, he thought to himself 'well, what else can I really say here'. $30/month is a *nothing* expense to a business.
I think the reluctance for companies to pay for one person‘s phone comes from then having to consider to pay for everyone’s phone. You are correct that $30 a month is nothing to accompany, but if you have 1000 employees, that can rack up pretty high.
My employer provides phones to those who need it. An employer just needs to be clear that they only provide phones to those who need it, it’s not a general employee perk.
I once worked on a project that was deploying a piece of software on dedicated cell phones. We had a contract with Verizon for 100 phones at $99/mo.
I once had the task of reviewing the charges. 1-2 pages per line for 100 lines, they had sent a packet that was 20 mm thick. I thought the funniest part was that there was a billing slip and return envelope on top, like a regular bill. Like we would just be mailing a check for $10,000 back to them.
(We were actually always months behind in paying, because it would take the phone company so long to respond to any billing questions and we only paid the bill when it was *all* correct.)
My company just gives everyone a $70 stipend each month for phone bills, with the expectation that we’re reachable within reason. I have Slack on my personal phone and reply when away from my desk, but I haven’t given my personal phone number to anyone. I just tell them to Slack me.
Yeah this is how most companies I've been with work around it, saves the logistics of getting people actual phones while still being able to contact them and employees not feeling shitty.
I had a supervisor who would call or text me at ridiculous hours. Since I did timesheets for nearly 50+ coworkers. She expected me to answer immediately. My boss tells me, every time she did that...add 4 hours to that days time sheet. Her boss asks me why my hours are outrageous. I explain to him what, and why. 🤯🤯🤯 That boss was SOLID GOLD. He approved my time time sheets from that point forward.
Well played, but now you have to carry two phones!
and you turn that off and leave it in your desk at work come quitting time
Legit - getting a private phone has been a game changer for this exact reason: no more work stuff outside of work
Many of us have a combined use phone and still do no work stuff outside of work. No really is a complete sentence
Having someone call you and needing to be told no is still a whole different story to them just not being able to reach you while off the clock
I'm not at work. deal with it yourself, or find someone else who's being paid to deal with it.
I train people to not call me by never picking up my phone ever.
I never pick up. I call back. people always think I'm busy that way. nope, just training you to deal with stuff yourself.
That, and I only call back if you leave a message. If it's not important enough to leave a message, I'm not calling you back. Why would I make work for myself?
I called you
Ok meme.exe
Genius
I also don't reply to Teams messages that don't include any information beyond "hi/good morning/etc"
I respond them with a link to https://nohello.net
I just give them nothing at all. Either the follow-up with some actual info or they figure it out on their own. Saves my time and sanity either way
I like this method lolol
Why in the name of all that's good would you answer the call in the first place? No starts with not interacting with anything work related outside working hours
if bossman decides "i have their private number and this is important. i will call them and then bitch and moan (unrightfully) when they dont pick up" they will expect a reason for why you arent picking up
they literally cannot argue with "work phone doesnt come home with me"
I currently have a company phone, but I also used to just put the company sim in my dual sim phone.
Every day at the end of the work day I would just switch off the work sim in the settings.
That was before MS Teams existed, though.
But you could still set up a separate work profile and keep work stuff totally separate on the same device (don't know if this can be done on iphones).
Why would you answer the phone?
i wouldnt but the mere fact that it's ringing may already affect someones mood
if it's not there, you can't notice it ring (and also cant forget to turn it back on when you get on shift the next day)
also "i dont take my work phone home" is a very good reason for why you werent answering the phone in your time off, even though this was an eMeRgEnCy
No way. At my company they require you to install a program on your phone that gives them complete access to it as a "security" measure to ensure nobody can steal company information. So they can technically pull anything I have looked at or done on the phone, including looking at phone logs. On my PERSONAL phone that I PAY FOR. That program also gives them the ability to completely wipe the phone remotely to factory settings if they feel any security measures have been compromised. All without needing my permission or giving me a heads up.
So, you are correct. No really is a complete sentence. I have 2 phones, one for work, and one that's my personal. The work phone goes in my drawer at the end of the day and gets picked back up the next morning when my day starts.
Isn't this legitimately breaking privacy?
Like. Forgive me, but if people still cannot open mail that's not theirs without it being illegal, why is it okay to set up a program on a phone that's not theirs or their companies?
That was my first question and they sent some BS response that everything becomes job related if it's sent/received during work hours. Pretty sure it wouldn't hold up in court but I wasn't going to play that game.
Obviously they can only do it with your permission.
Apparently some people think the convenience of having work emails on their personal device outweighs the privacy concern.
They ask the person who owns the phone to do it, and that person does it. The company isn't snatching the phone out of someone's pocket, installing the app, then slipping it back in.
Competent companies shouldn’t need to do this. You can have individual apps that are managed by your workplace on iOS or an entire profile that can be disabled on android.
That whole attitude sucks. My phone, my rules. Your phone, your rules. If they want to install some invasive fart apps, they can do it in their phone but not in my phone. Or if they want to do it in my phone they'd better pay for it.
I don't know how practical it would be but if it really is your personal, private phone you should wipe it and not bring it to work. Your employer is just treating your private phone as they would treat their own one, except they are not paying for it.
Yeah, I work infosec alongside the mobile team and the first thing they did during PoC testing was disable the ability to touch anything outside the walled garden of the enterprise apps because we have ZERO desire to be responsible for what someone is doing with their personal data. The liability of not doing so is staggering
The person that does the scheduling and my boss are the only two managers that have my phone number. Only two other coworkers have my number but I consider them friends. Besides that, only 2 other people from work I am even FB friends with. I don't ever answer phone calls from numbers I don't know unless I am expecting a call from someone whose number I don't know
We do have a group text that gets used a few times a year if someone is having computer issues or weather issues and can't get online to say something, but everyone on the team, through leadership, is huge on work/life balance and doesn't use it unless it's an actual emergent reason
I would trust about 80% of the people I regularly work with to not send nonsense, but 20%, or about 3 people, are enough to where I don't want to be a part of a work group chat. It just sucks when I go on a work trip, because then a few more people get my phone number. I make sure to put the company name in their contact info so I don't accidentally answer a call or even look at a text from them unless work related
Me needing a work phone coincided with this video dropping, so I managed to snag a used still working one for 30 bucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy5aRRPCIG8
It's great to have a work phone that's just for calls. Nobody in my country uses texts anymore, it's all WhatsApp, which this does not support. I turn it off after work.
You want to call me personally? Sure, have 2005's finest microphone.
I left that job since then but still treasure that phone (even though I don't currently know where it is and took out the SIM card to power my new SIM enabled personal laptop).
I see these "never take work home", but that really depends on your employer. Mine is really good about not abusing off-hours calls and compensating fairly--If I'm called and I make any attempt to help I get at least an hour of pay, if I have to leave where I'm at I get at least 4...and those almost always wind up as time and a half. If I can't get to my laptop to help, there's no repercussions. My job is officially on site, but I can occasionally work from home if I want as long as there's something I can plausibly accomplish.
I've had jobs where it's been abused, it's great when both sides treat each other fairly.
And change your private number
I never took my work phone out of its box, the day I left I handed in my laptop, pass and phone, the boss went nuts and asked why, I replied nothing good comes from a work phone
I got an official disciplinary strike against me for not answering my work phone while on holiday. The fact that I was off the clock and said phone was in Norwich while I was in Wales for that week apparently didn't matter.
I'd like to see how they justified that one - how long did it take to get that erased from your record?
I did this when the consulting company where I work force me to accept a company cellphone that I only can use for work.
so, I left it on my desk drawer
or just leave it at the office, except when travelling.
I still prefer two phones than giving work access to my personal phone.
On Android you can set up a so called work profile that keeps everything work related neatly segregated from your personal stuff. With that your company can only remote manage the apps and data within the work profile sandbox, they don't get access to anything in your personal profile (including eg. that restrictions on what apps can be installed only apply to the work profile, remote wipe will only wipe the work data, etc.). It also lets you disable notifications from work apps outside of work hours (in fact you can completely block work apps from running at any time, so they can't do any tracking etc. outside of work either; this is basically like turning off a work phone while not at work). And I'm pretty sure something similar can be done on Apple devices as well.
you can, but i don't trust anything short of physical separation
You would be perfectly correct too.
If tour workplace was being raided under warrant by law enforcement, your personal phone can be taken for evidence, if you've used it for any work-related items.
To those thinking a work profile is protection against that, I wish them the very best of luck getting their phone back after two or three years in an evidence locker.
Of course you don't carry your work phone when you're not working.
Lots of people with work phones are salaried and therefore always working to some degree, but if your hourly yea no touchy outside work. A lot of time the point of work giving you a 2nd phone though is so they can reasonably contact you outside of work.
I am a salaried employee, with a work phone, and I turn it off when I am done for the day. If it is an emergency my manager or managers manager can call me on my personal cell but shit better be on fire if that happens.
This does wonders for your mental health. Highly recommend.
Same here. Being salaried ≠ being on call 24/7.
Answer the work phone with, "How do I log the time I'm spending on this call?" Don't discuss anything else or do any other work until that time is on your timesheet.
It sucks but the delineation is nice. I don't currently have a work-specific phone [don't have to make a lot of phone calls] but I do have to travel with two laptops when I go somewhere for work.
🎶 "One for at work, and one for at home." 🎶
Work phone is for work, you leave it in the office.
I’ve had 2 phones for 4 years. I don’t mind at all.
They already wanted to carry 2 phones. They had asked for a work phone months ago.
The work phone only needs to be carried while on the clock. It can be turned off or put in DND outside work hours.
Laughs in Three phones, beeper and a walkie Talkie….
I've got a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra with a work eSIM and work profile so I only have to carry one phone and can disable the work profile when I want to be left alone.
Won't stop your phone being included in evidence gathering on your workplace.
Yea..?
I've carried two phone for over 20 years. It's not that big of a deal.
Back in the days of flip phones, my work phone literally burnt up in the middle of a field project (while I was on a call). Had to toss it out the car window! It was really nice to have my personal phone as a backup that day (or vice versa).
Only during work hours, because personal time is personal :p
Malicious AND petty! Well played, young padawan. Well played!
Everyone should have a work phone if anything like this is needed, some people complain but who cares about carrying two phones, it's not like they take up a ton of space. Also random side note but where i work in IT so many of the employees use their work phone like a personal one and get so upset when they can't keep the number or device when they leave or get fired. Like buddy, the company owns the device and the line and all the contacts know that number, not our fault you decided to use your work phone for all your MFA stuff, that's just dumb.
I used my personal phone for work purposes so I can claim half of my plan back on tax as a work expense.
That's a great idea, assuming your IT allows it, for me I specifically ban any company data not being on a company device, so wouldn't work for us but some companies allow it.
This is the very definition of MC and I am HERE for it.
Better would be to phrase it as "I didn't take any photos, because no camera was provided"
Don't even mention your personal phone, it's not relevant. You don't need work to provide a phone. You need them to provide a camera. Very different cost propositions.
Everything worked out nicely, why do you feel the need to "correct" him?
His boss may have learned a lesson like “if you set rules expect them to be followed even to your detriment, even to the company’s detriment”. The boss may have learned a lesson, and wished he had been more flexible about using work devices for personal tasks and vice versa.
If so, then everything worked out nicely.
Here on this subreddit we love a good malicious compliance story, but the boss probably also got the message that OP puts petty score settling ahead of getting the job done and saving the company money. OP is fine breaking the rules when they need something, but when the company needs photos then it’s by the book.
That is not going to be great for OP’s future prospects.
If they hadn’t mentioned their personal phone, it would’ve been less obvious that this was a petty reprisal. If OP had announced before being sent on this job that he needed a camera, then he could e still followed the rules and saved the company the cost of two trips.
Except OP had already asked for a work phone months earlier. And personally if I'm told no to a work phone and expected to use my personal phone, then I'm going to give the same energy and expect to be able to use the work computer since they're the ones who set the expectations first.
Phone related. At my work WhatsApp is used for internal comunication. I don't want WhatsApp on my personal phone.
I got already a comment from my manager wich I answered with "give me a company phone and I'll have WhatsApp". Damn, that discussion was done quickly.
Yeah my work keeps trying to get us to download this app so they can have us easily put in time. I told them to pay my phone bill then I would.
Where i work yiy xan either have work cover your petsonal phone contract or get a separate phone, i always go for separate i found out to the severe detriment of my mental health what happens when that line is blurred
Just be aware sometimes depending on the industry such as (healthcare), it may be more convenient to have one phone but if investigations are required sometimes the phones in question can be seized for review. Doesn’t matter about your boundaries about when people call, It can be a legal requirement.
I’d always recommend a work phone.
Yep. This is huge. Used to check work emails on my personal phone. It was stolen (taken) when there was an unrelated investigation of some other random co-worker. Never got the phone back and they never paid me it's value. I leaned that expensive lesson. 2 phones for me!
If I put my work email on my personal phone I need to give the company access to my phone through exchange so they can remotely wipe my phone should it get stolen/lost. The company pays for my second phone and it is only with me during work hours or during standby.
in my case, there were no work emails on my phone. I checked through a website. At that time, our IT department pretended that a website is an application installed on the phone, and the ignorant legal department pretended that statement was true.
Just keep your own phone as well. Having a professional phone is the first step to "why didn't you answer last Sunday?"
ooh, well done you!
Yes! What I'm here for. Brilliant OP
Good job! Im amazed!
This is so beautiful, I almost shed a tear of joy reading it.
Simple and sweet. Well done!
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Because "Fishy" posts are not worth responding to.
hahaha bravo - fafo boss
Just be sure to leave that Samsung on the desk when you go home for the day :)
No, connected to the charger, locked inside that desk, and with the ringer on full volume.
(May not work inside an all-metal desk.)
Worked for many companies that issue company work phones to travelers (Field service/sales), engineers and managers. Most of us consider it a perk not having to pay for a personal phone and use them as personal phones too. It's also done because most of us don't want to carry around two phones which comes into play here.
One of my companies unknown to us went very cheap on the phone plan when they changed carriers. With cheap unlimited minutes they bought a pool of minutes because it was cheaper, with cheap unlimited data they bought a pool of data because it was cheaper, with cheap unlimited text they bought a pool of texts because it was cheaper. The downside was exceeding the limits was very expensive. The pool size in all cases was exceedingly small. First we hear of our new plan was when they came out with a new policy stating work phones are not to be used for personal use.
Folks, we were exceeding the minimum just for work. We spent hours on the phone with engineering while on the road. We texted constantly to each other, engineering and management. Downloading manuals, using mapping apps to find our customers, travel apps, hotels and places to eat chews up data. Classic case of manglement.
New policy hits of no using work phones for personal use, our response was simple. We are only going to carry 1 phone on us and it will be a personal phone as our families are more important to us then work. We also will not use our personal phones for work as we can't use work phones for personal use. If you need us we'll be checking our emails back at the hotel room on our company laptop because we will not be hot spotting our laptops at the customer site anymore. Choose your next move very carefully.
No official announcements made but they also never brought up us using our work phones for personal use again. They also never brought up exceeding limits again, guess they redid the contract to something that made a bunch more sense.
FYI the pools were close to something like 50gig of data, 50k minutes and 2k text per month for roughly 30 people to share. Yeah office dwellers are on wifi most days but us travelers? Lets just say I've burned >10gig in a day downloading stuff for work on the road. My household (all two of us) average around 35 gig a month when I look at our bill.
Good for you. I'm surprised they just didn't get a camera though. Aside from that having a work phone let's you separate work from personal. Unfortunately to many employers expect us to use our personal devices for work related activities like two factor authentication and to read email outside of work hours.
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You professional malicious beautiful bastard!
I noticed ”thousand euro bill” and ”PhotoShop” and thought this would be about someone not knowing that the largest euro bill is 500€…
A "thousand Euro bill" is an invoice for 1000€, payable with two 500€ bills.
Equivocation is a special demon with you, isn't it?
I am a professional linguist, and I've spent so much time in my career rooting out ambiguities in other people's texts that it's become an unfortunate habit to jump to weird conclusions like this.
Nicely done.
LOL, nice!
Fantastic
“The laptop has a camera”
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