I wish this reporter would have done their job and explained the merits and issues presented in court to give us some idea of the jury’s possible reasoning. It’s not clear whether this was a technical victory or jury nullification.
It's ABC 7. All their articles are kind of brief. This sub loves to hate on the LA Times like it's the devil incarnate, but it says:
During the trial, the defense attorneys argued that the law enforcement vehicle was blocking the driveway to the complex and their client had moved it around the corner — just one block away. They said that the car was returned within 13 minutes.
and
Nunez’s attorneys, Deputy Federal Public Defenders Rebecca Harris and David Menninger, said they were pleased the jury exonerated their client.
“We thank the jurors for their service as an essential backstop against prosecutorial overreach in our constitutional system,” they said in a statement to The Times.
and
The not guilty verdict is the latest in a string of trial losses in federal court cases tied to immigration arrests and protests. There have been three recent not guilty verdicts delivered to defendants accused of assaulting federal agents.
A Times investigation in July found that the aggressive pursuit of federal charges against people protesting immigration enforcement in Southern California has led to weak cases being rejected numerous times by grand juries.
Why did they only drive it around the corner? That seems so strange. I would not have blamed them for bringing it all the way to an impoundment lot just to make it clear that this was an illegal action and would not be tolerated.
Except I bet they're not legitimate government fleet vehicles by the way they're changing/installing fake plates. All govt fleet vehicles are properly registered and have govt plates. These thugs don't have them.
The fact he just moved it around the corner is probably what led to the not guilty verdict. That way it just became an inconvenience to the federal agents rather than depriving them of their government owned vehicle.
If prosecutors had been reasonable and not ghoulish fascist fist-puppets they could have had a good shot at a simple "obstructing a federal investigation" or whatever but they they did what authoritarians do and tried to lie about it and make themselves the victims. Oh well good thing those Bozos suck at their jobs!
It's pretty standard tow procedure, you grab the car then drive it a short distance away so that you are out of sight of the car owner, then you get out and properly strap the car in so it doesn't fall off or get damaged from the towing. You can't always do that at the start because the car owner will notice you and jump into the car, try to beat you up, shoot you, etc. better to put distance between you and them then get the car sorted out. Of course there were multiple ICE vehicles so the agent probably just got into another car and drove after the tow truck and got them when they stopped to strap the car in.
Honestly, the fact they did only move it around the corner is likely the main reason why they were found not guilty. It was smart on their behalf, created enough chaos and pushed their buttons, unfortunately did waste the Court's time but also set a precedent for what can be done in these cases which I think is good for all of us that are fighting this
I wish this reporter would have done their job and explained the merits and issues presented in court to give us some idea of the jury’s possible reasoning. It’s not clear whether this was a technical victory or jury nullification.
That can never be clear, because no jury will admit that they engaged in nullification. Jurors are not required to explain their reasoning and are encouraged not to talk to reporters.
Good for him! I remember Trump aides boasting that they were going to put him away for years in federal prison. Failures, the whole pathetic lot of them.
Normally I've seen flashing lights in all the videos of ICE officers making arrests. In either case, there would have been dashcam footage or surveillance tape that the jury saw.
Public defenders are not necessarily free. The court will tell you how much you are going to need to pay, though that could be $0 if your income is below the threshold (not sure what it is offhand).
Hunting down the court transcript for this one has been difficult; anyone on here happen to have any access or info? I sense a comedic goldmine in this one lol
This article is lacking. How big was the parking lot being blocked? Was ICE impeding the right of individuals to access vehicles and parking? Was it Nunez' job to keep the right of way clear?
Ok so next time if I see an ambulance with flashing lights on and blocking my driveway then I can tow it away? Anyone can buy a van and decorate it to make it look like am ambulance.
The jury has spoken.
And I like what they said.
I wish this reporter would have done their job and explained the merits and issues presented in court to give us some idea of the jury’s possible reasoning. It’s not clear whether this was a technical victory or jury nullification.
It's ABC 7. All their articles are kind of brief. This sub loves to hate on the LA Times like it's the devil incarnate, but it says:
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and
Why did they only drive it around the corner? That seems so strange. I would not have blamed them for bringing it all the way to an impoundment lot just to make it clear that this was an illegal action and would not be tolerated.
I doubt an impound would have accepted it, sadly. I don't even think the private ones are allowed to take government fleet vehicles
Do we have guidelines for what to do with illegally parked government vehicles then? Is it really just “move to nearest location to undo obstruction”?
As I understand, government vehicles [Exempt plates] have to go to government lots, and 50/50 on whether they'd take an ICE vehicle
Hard to tell its an ICE vehicle when they slap an out of state plate on an unmarked vehicle.
If it’s clearly marked as an ice vehicle, people will harass them.
Except I bet they're not legitimate government fleet vehicles by the way they're changing/installing fake plates. All govt fleet vehicles are properly registered and have govt plates. These thugs don't have them.
The fact he just moved it around the corner is probably what led to the not guilty verdict. That way it just became an inconvenience to the federal agents rather than depriving them of their government owned vehicle.
If prosecutors had been reasonable and not ghoulish fascist fist-puppets they could have had a good shot at a simple "obstructing a federal investigation" or whatever but they they did what authoritarians do and tried to lie about it and make themselves the victims. Oh well good thing those Bozos suck at their jobs!
It's pretty standard tow procedure, you grab the car then drive it a short distance away so that you are out of sight of the car owner, then you get out and properly strap the car in so it doesn't fall off or get damaged from the towing. You can't always do that at the start because the car owner will notice you and jump into the car, try to beat you up, shoot you, etc. better to put distance between you and them then get the car sorted out. Of course there were multiple ICE vehicles so the agent probably just got into another car and drove after the tow truck and got them when they stopped to strap the car in.
Honestly, the fact they did only move it around the corner is likely the main reason why they were found not guilty. It was smart on their behalf, created enough chaos and pushed their buttons, unfortunately did waste the Court's time but also set a precedent for what can be done in these cases which I think is good for all of us that are fighting this
He didn’t want to legitimately tow the vehicle. He just wanted to mess with ice. The impound likely isn’t going to accept a government vehicle anyway.
The Feds weren't illegally parked. Officers aren't prohibited from blocking the entrance to a private lot during the conduct of an arrest.
That can never be clear, because no jury will admit that they engaged in nullification. Jurors are not required to explain their reasoning and are encouraged not to talk to reporters.
Hippity hoppity this vehicle is now my property?
Now lawyers have a case they can reference
This is good news
Good for him! I remember Trump aides boasting that they were going to put him away for years in federal prison. Failures, the whole pathetic lot of them.
Don't dodge jury duty!!
This is a critical takeaway.
I’m curious, did the vehicle have CA Exempt plates? Also, looks like we just gotta take everything to trial against ice and this will be outcome. 👏🏼
To jury trial specifically. Gotta take the decision out of the hands of the system and put it into the hands of the people. That's why juries matter.
The article says the lights were flashing but I don’t trust the article.
I can order red and blue flashing lights on Amazon for less than $20.
Is that all I need to be allowed to park where I want?
Without a physical ID and a human face to match (or like a full color correct squad car or helicopter) I assume you are pretending to be a cop.
Seems very reasonable- have you seen the roving squads of men in American cities you would assume to be pretending to be cops?
No, and it might get you in trouble for impersonation of law enforcement.
So what else would be needed to establish that my vehicle is a law enforcement vehicle?
Normally I've seen flashing lights in all the videos of ICE officers making arrests. In either case, there would have been dashcam footage or surveillance tape that the jury saw.
Fuck ice, fuck donnie trump.
Hell yeah, felony for that was insane
Jury nullification 😊
he never nodded. why would you someone make this gif
God damn it I just searched for the gif and clicked that one and posted it. I didn't realize he w never nodded.
A huevo, me la pelan ICE.
The next president needs to pardon anyone convicted of standing up for the rights of people against Trumps Gestapo
Not all heroes wear capes
You don’t know that none of them wore capes
Good work jury folks.
Good for him.
Google jury nullification
Add him to the END GAME portals scene.
This is great!
Get them all
Jury nullification FTW 🙌
I wonder how much he spent in paying a trial attorney to do a four day trial.
He used public defenders. So probably $0.
Public defenders are not necessarily free. The court will tell you how much you are going to need to pay, though that could be $0 if your income is below the threshold (not sure what it is offhand).
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Blessings to this man 💕
Hilarious
Hunting down the court transcript for this one has been difficult; anyone on here happen to have any access or info? I sense a comedic goldmine in this one lol
We all need to actually go to jury duty and be informed about jury nullification https://fija.org/library-and-resources/library/jury-nullification-faq/what-is-jury-nullification.html
This article is lacking. How big was the parking lot being blocked? Was ICE impeding the right of individuals to access vehicles and parking? Was it Nunez' job to keep the right of way clear?
Fuckin a skippy, Bobby Nunez! 🐸
LA officially a rogue city.
lol, la.
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Yes, yes, we must obey in advance or they might do the thing they're going to do anyway!
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Violent authoritarian thugs are NOT "on your side."
Ok so next time if I see an ambulance with flashing lights on and blocking my driveway then I can tow it away? Anyone can buy a van and decorate it to make it look like am ambulance.
Good luck with the jury. You know that these scenarios differ wildly in the public eye. This is fallacious.
Disgraceful
Did someone make you follow the rules?