Whether the player was injured or not you do not put your hands on him to push him off the field while he’s on the ground, nor do you drop the ball on him or stick your knee in his back, disgraceful behaviour, our players showed their class by not decking him.
I was thinking surely the players do recognise when someone is genuinely injured or not. They see playacting all the time and all partake in it (especially Martinelli) so surely he would have noticed right away it was genuine.
Actually, I think one of our players needs to leave a boot in on him. We're a light touch these days and I never really see any of our players doling it out when one of our players gets smashed or something like this happens to them.
Couldn’t agree more, teams are protected against us so much as it is while getting away with acting brutish. If the opponent is going down and getting the penalty anyway, make it hurt.
And honestly, I personally don’t think the conduct was the worst part. Watching Anthony Taylor NOT DO A SINGLE Fucking THING (before Konate got involved) should cost AT his PL credentials
Well that’s why he/they thought that. Because they’d be doing it. What’s ironic is at moments around the 80th minute I felt arsenal were trying to time waste, at their own ground, and I thought wtf lol
They’re always resorting to dark arts. Rotten club through and through, managed by the biggest bellend in the league. Remember when they were respected and played decent, clean football? It’s amazing seeing Arsenal fans, who used to pride themselves on player a good brand of football, now reverse course entirely.
I’ve been here for like 4 years. Everything about how they play is bad for the sport. They’ve already influenced the league to go into more set pieces, they were the first team to do the Gk time out thing and they had a very absurd preplanned sub routine when they’re winning to take timeout of the game in which a player goes down 2-3 times prior to being subbed. They’re not interested in improving the sport in general or playing better they’re interested in pushing the boundaries of the rules more than anything. Absolutely horrid
The Premier League is far too soft with issuing punishments after the fact. I get they don't want to be issuing bans like smarties but they could at least do that other leagues do and fine players but let them play. Still isn't enough but it's better than no fine and you can play. It's just sending the message that actions such as this are acceptable.
Slot had a really good point that almost no one mentioned afterwards.
He said the reason Martinelli thought he was play acting is that the league is terrible when it comes to sportsmanship. Absolutely horrible. And its mostly down to the refs.
Footballers play acting has been a meme for 20 years now.
Taking a yellow to break up play is seen as a legitimate tactic.
Some teams timewaste the entire game.
The refs are compounding and making these kind of attitudes worse every season.
Take time wasting on throw ins. If you waste enough time, the ref will rewards you with a Stern talking to, which wastes another minute atleast.
Refs wont give you a foul unless you fall over, so play acting is not just encouraged, its mandatory.
And refs are really unwilling to give red cards for taking away obvious goal scoring oportunities. Imo this should be given if the player is breaking up a counter by taking out the ball carrier. Counterattacks are big chances and if the opponent player is willing to take out a player to stop the attack they deemed it serious enough themselves.
He should've received a red card retroactively. Just because "he didn't know" doesn't excuse him of the consequences of his actions. In any case, when a player is on the ground, you don't touch him, regardless of how severe the injury might be.
Your sense of balance depends on your inner ear. I haven't seen the scene you're describing, but it makes total sense that ruptured eardrum would cause vertigo.
I know you mean well but I won't lie, critically dissecting the implications of the logical effects of a cheap joke on an episode of the Office is the most Reddit thing I've ever seen.
“He didn’t know” is what makes it bad. It means the player could have a serious injury and he pushed him anyway. Don’t understand that justification at all.
convinced a lot of people arguing for a red here would rejoice at virgil doing the absolute same thing here to someone who is timewasting towards the end of the match. but maybe not. i dont know. personally i am really not to fussed about it. he didnt cause the injury. ref saw it and gave him a yellow. what he did was not violent conduct imo. maybe i am just to old - but all that martinelli did thats not violent conduct imo.
where exactly should that be a violent condcut though?
please review the footage.
do you want a red for someone dropping a ball on someone on the ground? i personally dont.
do you want a red for someone touching another player with his knee (because he didnt kick him or anything)? i highly doubt it.
do you want a red for someone rolling someone else over?
i honestly dont know where the violent conduct is. if he threw the ball at him with power? yeah we could talk about that. if he kicked him with his knee, yeah that would be violent conduct. but nothing that martinelli did in itself is violent conduct for me. the force in an action matters. it wasnt that big of a deal to me and not forceful enough to call it violent conduct. martinellis actions are judged differntly purely because bradley was injured. however is actions in itself were not violent enough imo. yellow card and lets move on with out lifes.
dont worry about the people in my life mate. they are doing just fine. i am simply not judging every last decision in a professional football match under a microscope and in super slow mo. he shoudlnt have done it. ref gave him a yellow. also convinced bradley is totally fine with it aswell.
I am struggling to think of a single setting where pushing an injured person over is in any way acceptable; its not because hes "under a microscope" that people are angry its because its just generally a shitty thing to do.
Nothing more entertaining than someone getting pressed over getting downvotes. Your original comment was 2 lines long… you got downvoted and instead of brushing it off, it tormented you enough to come back and write 5x as much. Stop being a bitch and get off Reddit if a few downvotes make you this devastated.
I think emotion is getting the better of people. He pushed Bradley and got a card for it. He was never getting a ban for that. Did he know Bradley was genuinely injured, no he couldn't have. He apologized straight after the game.
Hes made a massive tit of himself, he's been called out for it. He didn't cause the injury.
Arsenal fans are laughing about the fact that 70% of people in the poll BBC ran think he should've been sent off. As if that's an utterly ridiculous suggestion. They're twisting themselves in knots to absolve Martinelli because he just thought Bradley was faking it. They're saying Neville was 'advocating violence' against him. They're turning themselves into the victims of this situation.
From the players to fans to the manager, they are possibly the most unlikeable club I've ever seen. Even Fergie's United didn't annoy me this much, and I hated them.
He should've been sent off, but Neville absolutely was advocating for violence. Our squad and Arne Slot handled the whole incident magnificently. The fault here sits entirely with the cowardly referees.
Bradley should be fined for faking the fake injury and actually being injured in the game, which led to poor Martinelli being forced to harass him... and the most important part - he rolled back onto the pitch 💔
As always, fuck Anthony Taylor. He’s a shite ref. Should have been a straight red. Then booked Konate for a shove but not Jesus who did the same thing.
There has been zero precedent for retroactive punishment for incdidents seen by either the ref or VAR since VAR has been brought in so not sure if this is even news.
This. They should have used this to make an example and set a precedent.
It doesn't matter if he "thought" Connor was faking, or that he subsequently apologised. The facts are simply that the player was seemingly injured and he acted in a way that could have exacerbated the injury.
It's clear cut and the FA have failed in their duty of care to the players.
He hit him with the ball first, while Bradley was curled up on the ground, then placed his shin against the injured player’s back trying to push him off the pitch, before trying to roll him of with both hands… how much more could Martinelli have done to show that he deserved a red card? Absolutely no regard for another human being.
Fuck him. You know you could maybe have given him the slightest benefit of the doubt that he didn't see the injury and thought Connor was time wasting except for the fact that after Martinelli came on he blatantly dived and then rolled around on the ground for what seemed like 5 minutes trying to con the ref. Fuck him.
you could maybe have given him the slightest benefit of the doubt
Honestly disagree. It should be the same as crowding the ref. Only the captain can approach and speak. Just like that, nobody should be able to interact with a player who is not interfering with the ball/game and down injured. Manhandling someone in that position can be a straight red, because why not? Why let players fuck around with potentially injured players?
Let's take this further and imagine a player had a head/spine injury and any movement can have immediate and permanent damage to the injured party. Why create a system so lax that it is simply a matter of time until this happens? Address this now, so it never does, or at least the risk is minimised.
Somethings not right when they are more likely to take action against verbally insulting an official than they are for physical assaulting an injured person.
personally not to fussed about it. also dont think its favourism at all. dont think any player of any team would get any repercussions from this. ref saw it and gave a yellow. cant see any player of any team get a red for what he did retroactively after the ref already gave him yellow. sure he shouldnt have done it and behaved like a dick. and you can make an argument that he might deserve a matchday ban. but i honestly dont think its that big of an issue.
It is an issue. No player should harass another player while he is on the pitch in pain. Let it be a player of LFC, Arsenal, MU, Villa or Grimsby. Doesn't matter, this standard should be above clubs and it should be firmly reinforced with a post-game red card and match ban. The ref showing the red immediately would have been the right move ofc but lacking that, PGMOL should make a corrective move.
I appreciate your attempt, I really do. It doesn't change my view though, this kind of behaviour should not be encouraged and I don't really care if the player in question is a young Martinelli or a senior VVD. Respect is shown through upholding certain standards. It doesn't matter whether Martinelli knew if the injury was serious or not. Personally, I am inclined to believe that he did not know, I don't think he is a vile human being. The point is, that you are not allowed to take matters into your own hands, especially if the other player is down on the pitch, regardless of game state.
Kick and shoving a player while he is down and had a serious injury.
The ball wasn't even in play.
How is that NOT a red?
I think its good that he apologized and he clearly didn't know Bradley was injured at the time and I think everyone can forgive him for doing what he did based on that, BUT shoving and kicking a player while he is done with a serious potential season-ending injury is fucking disgusting, violent and dangerous conduct and 100% should have retrospectively been given a red.
The rules are subjective. He could have been given a red card according to the lawbook for undue aggression causing danger to an opponent.
It's a valid basis. If he was given a red it wouldn't be getting overturned by VAR or a suspension rescinded because the rules very clearly allow for that to be considered to be a red card offence if the referee interpreted it like that.
Three separate incidents, two of which were nailed on yellows IMO (pushing Bradley off the pitch, dropping the ball on him). The knee in the back wasn't great, but not sure if that classifies as something that's a bookable offence.
Kinda agree sadly. Is a couple of yellow card worthy actions separately, that if both seen and carded at the time would be a red - but no single action that really warrants a red. Even putting hands on and pushing if they were stood up is usually only a yellow.
Agreed. At most he could have been given a yellow for throwing the ball at Bradley and another for the push, but that sort of thing almost never happens for two actions in the same incident. I can't see anything that warrants a straight red so I can't see any case for retrospective action either.
Really for next season.. there should be a point of emphasis... much like kicking the ball away. If you touch a player at all when another player has gone down injured, straight red.
The uselessness and the incompetence of the refs and governing bodies shouldn’t even be news anymore. Whatever the correct and fair outcome is, the opposite will happen for sure. Doesn’t even need to be announced or reported. Embarrassing with all the money pumped into the sport that basic justice never gets served from match day to match day
It should be a red but let's not dwell on it. Slot summed it up perfectly and a decent apology was given from martinelli. Let's move on and make sure we only blame referees not players
This is the right take on it. Unsportsmanlike behaviour but most likely didn’t cause any actual damage to Connor. Could have been harsher punishment on the spot but if roles were reversed I think we’d think a yellow was proportionate.
I believe he should face some form of punishment. Even throwing a ball at someone seems deserving of consequences. While I understand he may have thought Bradley was exaggerating, you need to be certain before moving a player—if they’re actually injured, as in this case, you risk making it worse. So don’t do it; let the referee handle the situation and move on. And please please dont give me the usual nonsense from his manager "lovely kid, if you knew him etc" - its the manager's version of "I would never go out to injure a fellow professional".
I mean did anyone actually expect him to be punished further? It was shit, but not something you’d go back and ban someone for. I would like to see Bradley absolutely twat the little shit next season though
It’s funny how Arsenal fans suddenly stopped moaning about refereeing conspiracy/bias against them, when this topic comes up. Just so painful interacting with them, by acquaintance and not by choice btw.
This whole situation is difficult for me to engage in. It just triggers me way too hard. My father just passed away last year- from chronic knee injury surgery complications, after a 3rd (yes) Total Knee Replacement. He was a warrior back in the 60s who gave his body to the sport, until it chewed him up and spit him out, thank you very much. So when I see Conor, what a warrior scrapper, grab his knee INSTANTLY after you can see it twist… god I wanted to punch Martinelli
He's a cunt but having retroactive punishments haven't worked for players who have made dangerous fouls and injured players much less pushing injured players.
Pointless and almost idiotic expecting anything else.
If you don't know the severity of the injury then you should assume that the injury is real. For your own sake. Because next time you're on the ground with a broken ankle, a good roll made on you might double up your recovery time. You will be given an apology though later, isn't that nice and comforting. So if it happens a hundred times then it's not okay a hundred times. If someone asks for help to get on their feet then help them, if not then do not touch them, simple. Oh, and don't throw the ball at them, that doesn't have much healing power I am afraid.
All good in theory, but in that context the players are wasting time on 99% of occasions this kind of thing happens. So it was quite natural for him to assume it was the case here. Slott has pretty much said so himself.
As for him lightly touching the ball on Bradley's hip, get a grip.
Karma is a b**ch.
He behaved like a savage.
This is still a civilized sport, and I’d like to keep it that way. Players shouldn’t behave like hooligans.
Also, when Roy Keane thinks you’re being disgraceful, then you know you crossed the line 😂
Obviously, the PL promotes this behaviour from Arsenal every week. They dive, cheat, time waste and back rapists but are painted as a from rags to riches story. Horrible era for Arsenal this.
He apologised publicly. He thought Bradley was time wasting for a seemingly innocuous injury at a point where Arsenal were applying pressure towards the end. In the current climate of the game, I don't blame him. On top of that, Martinelli doesn't have a history of this type of behaviour.
No one gives a flying f of what he thought. He is not the referee to decide whether another player is acting or his pain is real. Martinelli's behaviour was unacceptable in any case. Again, he is not the referee to hand out punishments nor a professional doctor for LFC to decide whether the player's condition is stable enough, so he can be moved behind the sideline or not. Not rolled, but safely and carefully moved.
That 'heat of the game' thing is BS. If you can't handle pressure, then you should not participate in any form of professional sport, in any group activity for that matter. Because you are unstable and may hurt others. Player health and safety should come first and a red card would have made sense. No ref should encourage players taking matters into their own hands and endanger others. A single yellow means 'be mindful of yourself from now on in this game', a straight red would have meant 'don't do this ever again'. The latter is the correct response, imo.
As I've said elsewhere. If we were being held at home to United when we were going for the title and Bruno Fernandes went down with an 'injury' on the throw in line without any contact we'd be telling our players to boot him off the pitch to stop time wasting. We'd be lauding the player that did it. Don't pretend otherwise.
I don't need to pretend anything. If Bruno was down next to the sideline on Anfield's green, I would yell a lot at him. But I would never applaud or encourage our players to roll him off the pitch. If it was an act and the ref would fall for it then I would be very angry at the ref and I would be cursing left, right, and centre. But it's ultimately the referee's role to assess the situation and include additional time if needed. We can hate or love the decision at the end but these are the rules of the game, without those, any sport falls apart.
revising decisions made in games can set a harmful precedent
What on earth are you talking about, set a harmful precedent? Decisions have been reviewed and changed by football authorities for literally decades and you think THIS decision might set a harmful precedent?
Whether the player was injured or not you do not put your hands on him to push him off the field while he’s on the ground, nor do you drop the ball on him or stick your knee in his back, disgraceful behaviour, our players showed their class by not decking him.
Yeah, people saying "he didn't know he was injured" are missing the point, he didn't know he wasn't injured either
I was thinking surely the players do recognise when someone is genuinely injured or not. They see playacting all the time and all partake in it (especially Martinelli) so surely he would have noticed right away it was genuine.
Actually, I think one of our players needs to leave a boot in on him. We're a light touch these days and I never really see any of our players doling it out when one of our players gets smashed or something like this happens to them.
Couldn’t agree more, teams are protected against us so much as it is while getting away with acting brutish. If the opponent is going down and getting the penalty anyway, make it hurt.
And honestly, I personally don’t think the conduct was the worst part. Watching Anthony Taylor NOT DO A SINGLE Fucking THING (before Konate got involved) should cost AT his PL credentials
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I think it's about time to shove the first injured person I see
It's quite ironic that Arsenal players are complaining about time wasting. Bunch of hypocritical losers.
Raya timewasted his own fucking goal kick a minute prior to the Martinelli incident lmao
People show their true colours in the heat of the moment.
imagine timewasting while leading the league at your own home ground against a rival.
these guys have zero initiative to take the title by the horns. they are just relying on villa and citeh fumbling points.
Well that’s why he/they thought that. Because they’d be doing it. What’s ironic is at moments around the 80th minute I felt arsenal were trying to time waste, at their own ground, and I thought wtf lol
We frustrated them at our worst so they resort to dark arts. Look at Saka's kick on Kerkez.
They time wasted even as early as 75th minute.
Haramball.
I've gone from being largely indifferent if they win the title to hoping they bottle it and never win anything under Arteta
They will drop points. Look at their body language when they were frustrated. Resorting to dark arts.
They’re always resorting to dark arts. Rotten club through and through, managed by the biggest bellend in the league. Remember when they were respected and played decent, clean football? It’s amazing seeing Arsenal fans, who used to pride themselves on player a good brand of football, now reverse course entirely.
But the competition is dropping points at a quicker rate, I find it really hard for anyone else to win the title.
I’ve been here for like 4 years. Everything about how they play is bad for the sport. They’ve already influenced the league to go into more set pieces, they were the first team to do the Gk time out thing and they had a very absurd preplanned sub routine when they’re winning to take timeout of the game in which a player goes down 2-3 times prior to being subbed. They’re not interested in improving the sport in general or playing better they’re interested in pushing the boundaries of the rules more than anything. Absolutely horrid
Makes it even more satisfying when they finish 2nd over and over.
I’d rather stomach City winning it again rather than have Arsenal winning it.
I wonder where Martinelli would get the idea that someone on the floor must be faking it? He must have seen it somewhere, just can't think where
Especially that rolling back onto the field part.
Time wasting in a game where if anyone deserved to win it was us
Definitely in the second half, we were the dominant team.
The first arsenal throw-in took the most time of any throw-in in the history of football i swear😂
Haven’t they been the kings of time wasting ever since Arteta was appointed? At least from the top 14 teams
Like with many things in life. Projection
Arsenal were wasting time at 0-0 at Anfield earlier this season. It was pathetic.
The Premier League is far too soft with issuing punishments after the fact. I get they don't want to be issuing bans like smarties but they could at least do that other leagues do and fine players but let them play. Still isn't enough but it's better than no fine and you can play. It's just sending the message that actions such as this are acceptable.
Meanwhile, you mouth off at a ref and you're more likely to get punished Sadly, refs' feelings are protected more than players' health.
Slot had a really good point that almost no one mentioned afterwards.
He said the reason Martinelli thought he was play acting is that the league is terrible when it comes to sportsmanship. Absolutely horrible. And its mostly down to the refs.
Footballers play acting has been a meme for 20 years now.
Taking a yellow to break up play is seen as a legitimate tactic.
Some teams timewaste the entire game.
The refs are compounding and making these kind of attitudes worse every season.
Take time wasting on throw ins. If you waste enough time, the ref will rewards you with a Stern talking to, which wastes another minute atleast.
Refs wont give you a foul unless you fall over, so play acting is not just encouraged, its mandatory.
And refs are really unwilling to give red cards for taking away obvious goal scoring oportunities. Imo this should be given if the player is breaking up a counter by taking out the ball carrier. Counterattacks are big chances and if the opponent player is willing to take out a player to stop the attack they deemed it serious enough themselves.
Of course he will
Came here to say just this.
He should've received a red card retroactively. Just because "he didn't know" doesn't excuse him of the consequences of his actions. In any case, when a player is on the ground, you don't touch him, regardless of how severe the injury might be.
"But I myself dive, waste time and cheat all the time, how was I supposed to know Bradley had a serious injury?"
Gabriel Martinelli
He's so used to his teammates just falling over to win free kicks and waste time he thinks that's what everyone is doing
Imagine getting hit on the face with the ball and you start limping. How does that even work?
Reminds me of that episode of the Office where Andy bursts his ear drum then starts holding on to Darryl like he can't walk.
Your sense of balance depends on your inner ear. I haven't seen the scene you're describing, but it makes total sense that ruptured eardrum would cause vertigo.
I know you mean well but I won't lie, critically dissecting the implications of the logical effects of a cheap joke on an episode of the Office is the most Reddit thing I've ever seen.
You strike me as a MAGA vote. Someone who's always eager to have their say, but instantly cries foul anytime their ignorance is exposed.
I take it back. Making everything about Trump, that's the most Reddit thing ever.
Whatever you say Mr. Butthurt McButthurt.
Deliberately throwing the ball at him alone should merit it.
“He didn’t know” is what makes it bad. It means the player could have a serious injury and he pushed him anyway. Don’t understand that justification at all.
Pretty sure when he gets a yellow at the time that's seen as action and won't be reviewed.
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Hope this helps
The guy wrote more about his downvotes than he did for his actual comment 😂
Bro must crave attention with his 100k plus karma
Is it like those arcade tickets? Can I exchange them for an oversized toy?
One novelty comb
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Bold of you to assume I have friends 😂
Knee to the chest? What do you mean for what? That's a clear violent conduct
convinced a lot of people arguing for a red here would rejoice at virgil doing the absolute same thing here to someone who is timewasting towards the end of the match. but maybe not. i dont know. personally i am really not to fussed about it. he didnt cause the injury. ref saw it and gave him a yellow. what he did was not violent conduct imo. maybe i am just to old - but all that martinelli did thats not violent conduct imo.
I'm fine with the outcome as well, I don't think it deserves retroactive punishment but to say there was no violent conduct is disingenuous
where exactly should that be a violent condcut though?
please review the footage.
do you want a red for someone dropping a ball on someone on the ground? i personally dont.
do you want a red for someone touching another player with his knee (because he didnt kick him or anything)? i highly doubt it.
do you want a red for someone rolling someone else over?
i honestly dont know where the violent conduct is. if he threw the ball at him with power? yeah we could talk about that. if he kicked him with his knee, yeah that would be violent conduct. but nothing that martinelli did in itself is violent conduct for me. the force in an action matters. it wasnt that big of a deal to me and not forceful enough to call it violent conduct. martinellis actions are judged differntly purely because bradley was injured. however is actions in itself were not violent enough imo. yellow card and lets move on with out lifes.
Is a push violent conduct?
Virgil wouldn't throw a ball, kick and then push when its easy to sea that a player is injured? What is this whataboutism
I feel bad for the people in your life...
dont worry about the people in my life mate. they are doing just fine. i am simply not judging every last decision in a professional football match under a microscope and in super slow mo. he shoudlnt have done it. ref gave him a yellow. also convinced bradley is totally fine with it aswell.
I am struggling to think of a single setting where pushing an injured person over is in any way acceptable; its not because hes "under a microscope" that people are angry its because its just generally a shitty thing to do.
Nothing more entertaining than someone getting pressed over getting downvotes. Your original comment was 2 lines long… you got downvoted and instead of brushing it off, it tormented you enough to come back and write 5x as much. Stop being a bitch and get off Reddit if a few downvotes make you this devastated.
I think emotion is getting the better of people. He pushed Bradley and got a card for it. He was never getting a ban for that. Did he know Bradley was genuinely injured, no he couldn't have. He apologized straight after the game.
Hes made a massive tit of himself, he's been called out for it. He didn't cause the injury.
Violent conduct probably the appropriate ground for a straight red.
He also could have got two yellows, one for unsporting behaviour and a second for further unsporting behaviour or dissent.
Edit: not sure why I’m being downvoted, I’m literally applying the rule book.
Fuck him. Complete piece of shit.
Arsenal fans are laughing about the fact that 70% of people in the poll BBC ran think he should've been sent off. As if that's an utterly ridiculous suggestion. They're twisting themselves in knots to absolve Martinelli because he just thought Bradley was faking it. They're saying Neville was 'advocating violence' against him. They're turning themselves into the victims of this situation.
From the players to fans to the manager, they are possibly the most unlikeable club I've ever seen. Even Fergie's United didn't annoy me this much, and I hated them.
Brother it’s a trashy club. They (minus a few online virtue signalers) loved a rapist playing for them as long as they were winning.
Exactly this
He should've been sent off, but Neville absolutely was advocating for violence. Our squad and Arne Slot handled the whole incident magnificently. The fault here sits entirely with the cowardly referees.
Poor Martinelli 😭
Bradley should be fined for faking the fake injury and actually being injured in the game, which led to poor Martinelli being forced to harass him... and the most important part - he rolled back onto the pitch 💔
As always, fuck Anthony Taylor. He’s a shite ref. Should have been a straight red. Then booked Konate for a shove but not Jesus who did the same thing.
Dermot Gallagher focussing on the real issues - blaming the Liverpool players for reacting to it. 🙄
So the next time an arsenal player goes down injured, its 100% ok to throw a ball at them and try to push them off the field. Noted.
To the surprise of nobody.
There has been zero precedent for retroactive punishment for incdidents seen by either the ref or VAR since VAR has been brought in so not sure if this is even news.
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This. They should have used this to make an example and set a precedent.
It doesn't matter if he "thought" Connor was faking, or that he subsequently apologised. The facts are simply that the player was seemingly injured and he acted in a way that could have exacerbated the injury.
It's clear cut and the FA have failed in their duty of care to the players.
Fucking bullshit
It should have been at least a yellow for that. Then add the first yellow when he threw the ball at his head
Well we all knew that was coming. Throw balls, kick players, drag them off the pitch, crack on. Absolutely fine.
What the actual f?!
Shocking from the fa. He endangered a players health with his behaviour.
He hit him with the ball first, while Bradley was curled up on the ground, then placed his shin against the injured player’s back trying to push him off the pitch, before trying to roll him of with both hands… how much more could Martinelli have done to show that he deserved a red card? Absolutely no regard for another human being.
Fuck him. You know you could maybe have given him the slightest benefit of the doubt that he didn't see the injury and thought Connor was time wasting except for the fact that after Martinelli came on he blatantly dived and then rolled around on the ground for what seemed like 5 minutes trying to con the ref. Fuck him.
Honestly disagree. It should be the same as crowding the ref. Only the captain can approach and speak. Just like that, nobody should be able to interact with a player who is not interfering with the ball/game and down injured. Manhandling someone in that position can be a straight red, because why not? Why let players fuck around with potentially injured players?
Let's take this further and imagine a player had a head/spine injury and any movement can have immediate and permanent damage to the injured party. Why create a system so lax that it is simply a matter of time until this happens? Address this now, so it never does, or at least the risk is minimised.
Would have been a great time to make an example out of him and a warning it wouldn't be tolerated going forward.
He apologised so I am happy with that but his actions still should have resulted in a one or two game ban.
He got a yellow at the time and the PL doesn't like to relitigate these decisions after the match. We shouldn't be surprised
Yep, as is standard
I hope someone kicks him in the ass next time he's buying time on the floor
Of course, PL is a fucking joke, they have zero integrity. BUT if you hurt official's feelings, watch out for a hefty ban. Complete joke.
Farce of a league.
If the club had any character they would handle the matter and bench him/fine him on their own….but, “true colors”, as they say
My man, Arteta played Partey throughout the length of his contract, even wanted to renew him. No way he does any of that.
Yeah. That’s my point
I don't think you'll find anything more worthy of a retroactive red card than this
Which of course means nobody can be surprised that they're not going to give it. Spineless as usual
Utterly ridiculous, sets a precedent now and I hope he gets treated the same if anything happens to him.
The main thing that should come from all of this is:
But fuck all will change.
Shameful
Well guess we take matters into our own hands when we next face them.
Bro can chuck a ball at a player and then manhandle him... Without further repercussions. Fuck em.
Absolutely ridiculous
Absolute joke.
If Arsenal has any honor, they would sit him for a couple of matches to take accountability and donate a certain amount to charity.
I mean anything else would mean we have a competent PGMOL which we all know is not the case, so exactly as expected.
Weird choice. I would say that’s a crazy precedent to set, but the reality is precedent doesn’t matter to these refs.
Oh ffs, this season is fixed
Oh well, he'll have to be punished next time they come to Anfield
Drag injured opponent around the pitch? Sleep
Say mean things to a referee as he's sending you off for absolute nonsense? Real Shit
He was never getting additional punishment.
It just highlights how pathetic the whole club is, from the manager, the players, and down to the fanbase.
His punishment is being a pussy bitch. And hopefully Arsenal tripping on their dicks
I always thought The FA could take action against players over things like this. Wasn't it The FA who banned Cantona for his kung fu kick?
Somethings not right when they are more likely to take action against verbally insulting an official than they are for physical assaulting an injured person.
Disgrace
Fuck him and fuck Arsenal.
They'll probably win the league this year, but if they somehow bottle their lead it will give me great joy.
personally not to fussed about it. also dont think its favourism at all. dont think any player of any team would get any repercussions from this. ref saw it and gave a yellow. cant see any player of any team get a red for what he did retroactively after the ref already gave him yellow. sure he shouldnt have done it and behaved like a dick. and you can make an argument that he might deserve a matchday ban. but i honestly dont think its that big of an issue.
It is an issue. No player should harass another player while he is on the pitch in pain. Let it be a player of LFC, Arsenal, MU, Villa or Grimsby. Doesn't matter, this standard should be above clubs and it should be firmly reinforced with a post-game red card and match ban. The ref showing the red immediately would have been the right move ofc but lacking that, PGMOL should make a corrective move.
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I appreciate your attempt, I really do. It doesn't change my view though, this kind of behaviour should not be encouraged and I don't really care if the player in question is a young Martinelli or a senior VVD. Respect is shown through upholding certain standards. It doesn't matter whether Martinelli knew if the injury was serious or not. Personally, I am inclined to believe that he did not know, I don't think he is a vile human being. The point is, that you are not allowed to take matters into your own hands, especially if the other player is down on the pitch, regardless of game state.
It was a horrible incident and shit but I genuinely don’t understand on what basis people think he could be given a red for that?
I’m very open for people to comment with their thoughts.
Kick and shoving a player while he is down and had a serious injury.
The ball wasn't even in play.
How is that NOT a red?
I think its good that he apologized and he clearly didn't know Bradley was injured at the time and I think everyone can forgive him for doing what he did based on that, BUT shoving and kicking a player while he is done with a serious potential season-ending injury is fucking disgusting, violent and dangerous conduct and 100% should have retrospectively been given a red.
Anthony Taylor
He could make his injuries worse
Violet conduct?
He hit a purple patch
Endangering the safety of an opponent. It's pretty obvious.
The rules are subjective. He could have been given a red card according to the lawbook for undue aggression causing danger to an opponent.
It's a valid basis. If he was given a red it wouldn't be getting overturned by VAR or a suspension rescinded because the rules very clearly allow for that to be considered to be a red card offence if the referee interpreted it like that.
It's unsportmanly
Three separate incidents, two of which were nailed on yellows IMO (pushing Bradley off the pitch, dropping the ball on him). The knee in the back wasn't great, but not sure if that classifies as something that's a bookable offence.
Kinda agree sadly. Is a couple of yellow card worthy actions separately, that if both seen and carded at the time would be a red - but no single action that really warrants a red. Even putting hands on and pushing if they were stood up is usually only a yellow.
Agreed. At most he could have been given a yellow for throwing the ball at Bradley and another for the push, but that sort of thing almost never happens for two actions in the same incident. I can't see anything that warrants a straight red so I can't see any case for retrospective action either.
What a joke
And these are the lot that cry reffing conspiracy
Colour me surprised...
Really for next season.. there should be a point of emphasis... much like kicking the ball away. If you touch a player at all when another player has gone down injured, straight red.
The uselessness and the incompetence of the refs and governing bodies shouldn’t even be news anymore. Whatever the correct and fair outcome is, the opposite will happen for sure. Doesn’t even need to be announced or reported. Embarrassing with all the money pumped into the sport that basic justice never gets served from match day to match day
It should be a red but let's not dwell on it. Slot summed it up perfectly and a decent apology was given from martinelli. Let's move on and make sure we only blame referees not players
This is the right take on it. Unsportsmanlike behaviour but most likely didn’t cause any actual damage to Connor. Could have been harsher punishment on the spot but if roles were reversed I think we’d think a yellow was proportionate.
That's balls
Of course...
Of fucking course he will.
Of course he gets away with it.
Konate should have droped him and everyone would be ok with it.
He issued an apology, belive him or not we all know he is a pos, end of story.
I'm gonna be even more insufferable when Arsenal bottles the league this season again.
Of course he does...
If you thought the FA was going to do anything right by Liverpool fc you are too new to the sport.
That's unfortunate.
Of course, wouldn’t expect nothing else tbh. It’s ridiculous. Yet Arsenal fans will still complain about referees and say everyone is against them.
Sounds about right. Only reason he apologised was so he wouldn’t get further punishment.
I believe he should face some form of punishment. Even throwing a ball at someone seems deserving of consequences. While I understand he may have thought Bradley was exaggerating, you need to be certain before moving a player—if they’re actually injured, as in this case, you risk making it worse. So don’t do it; let the referee handle the situation and move on. And please please dont give me the usual nonsense from his manager "lovely kid, if you knew him etc" - its the manager's version of "I would never go out to injure a fellow professional".
Not shocked at all.
Your honor. Yes I was driving under the influence. But nobody got hurt. I should not get punished.
If it was done against Bruno or Erling from one of the Manchester teams, would have been an easy 3 game ban
If it was the NFL he’d be fined.
Of course he will - the governing bodies make the incorrect decision every single time - morons.
I mean did anyone actually expect him to be punished further? It was shit, but not something you’d go back and ban someone for. I would like to see Bradley absolutely twat the little shit next season though
They will just bully their way just to get their hands on the trophy. No finesse. No class.
I'd retrospectively give him three yellows for each foul (throwing ball, knee in back, deliberate push) on Bradley.
Romero gets match ban but dirty Martinelly gets nothing? What utter bullshit !
It’s funny how Arsenal fans suddenly stopped moaning about refereeing conspiracy/bias against them, when this topic comes up. Just so painful interacting with them, by acquaintance and not by choice btw.
This whole situation is difficult for me to engage in. It just triggers me way too hard. My father just passed away last year- from chronic knee injury surgery complications, after a 3rd (yes) Total Knee Replacement. He was a warrior back in the 60s who gave his body to the sport, until it chewed him up and spit him out, thank you very much. So when I see Conor, what a warrior scrapper, grab his knee INSTANTLY after you can see it twist… god I wanted to punch Martinelli
He's a cunt but having retroactive punishments haven't worked for players who have made dangerous fouls and injured players much less pushing injured players.
Pointless and almost idiotic expecting anything else.
Dark arts
At-least 1 match ban would be fair
How tf is he get away with just yellow card? Fuck that ref
Why? Because he wrote some bullshit apology on Twitter? He should apologize for being a clueless winger.
They’re probably still trying to find a way to give Conor a red card. Good process.
Emotions are getting the better of people in here.
We've seen this kind of thing hundreds of times - players dragged to their feet, pushed etc. He clearly didn't know the severity of the injury.
If you don't know the severity of the injury then you should assume that the injury is real. For your own sake. Because next time you're on the ground with a broken ankle, a good roll made on you might double up your recovery time. You will be given an apology though later, isn't that nice and comforting. So if it happens a hundred times then it's not okay a hundred times. If someone asks for help to get on their feet then help them, if not then do not touch them, simple. Oh, and don't throw the ball at them, that doesn't have much healing power I am afraid.
All good in theory, but in that context the players are wasting time on 99% of occasions this kind of thing happens. So it was quite natural for him to assume it was the case here. Slott has pretty much said so himself.
As for him lightly touching the ball on Bradley's hip, get a grip.
Karma is a b**ch. He behaved like a savage. This is still a civilized sport, and I’d like to keep it that way. Players shouldn’t behave like hooligans.
Also, when Roy Keane thinks you’re being disgraceful, then you know you crossed the line 😂
Had that been an LFC player, 1-3 match ban.
That isn’t even hyperbole, we all fucking know it.
Of course he will.
our player would be sent to prison
Well duh! Go figure.
Obviously, the PL promotes this behaviour from Arsenal every week. They dive, cheat, time waste and back rapists but are painted as a from rags to riches story. Horrible era for Arsenal this.
He apologised publicly. He thought Bradley was time wasting for a seemingly innocuous injury at a point where Arsenal were applying pressure towards the end. In the current climate of the game, I don't blame him. On top of that, Martinelli doesn't have a history of this type of behaviour.
Case closed. Move on.
No one gives a flying f of what he thought. He is not the referee to decide whether another player is acting or his pain is real. Martinelli's behaviour was unacceptable in any case. Again, he is not the referee to hand out punishments nor a professional doctor for LFC to decide whether the player's condition is stable enough, so he can be moved behind the sideline or not. Not rolled, but safely and carefully moved.
That 'heat of the game' thing is BS. If you can't handle pressure, then you should not participate in any form of professional sport, in any group activity for that matter. Because you are unstable and may hurt others. Player health and safety should come first and a red card would have made sense. No ref should encourage players taking matters into their own hands and endanger others. A single yellow means 'be mindful of yourself from now on in this game', a straight red would have meant 'don't do this ever again'. The latter is the correct response, imo.
As I've said elsewhere. If we were being held at home to United when we were going for the title and Bruno Fernandes went down with an 'injury' on the throw in line without any contact we'd be telling our players to boot him off the pitch to stop time wasting. We'd be lauding the player that did it. Don't pretend otherwise.
I don't need to pretend anything. If Bruno was down next to the sideline on Anfield's green, I would yell a lot at him. But I would never applaud or encourage our players to roll him off the pitch. If it was an act and the ref would fall for it then I would be very angry at the ref and I would be cursing left, right, and centre. But it's ultimately the referee's role to assess the situation and include additional time if needed. We can hate or love the decision at the end but these are the rules of the game, without those, any sport falls apart.
They’re all at it. Look what Gabriel did to Wirtz also. Classless bunch
I want him jailed,seriously let’s just move on the little weasel has apologised what else can we do?
Yea revising decisions made in games can set a harmful precedent. Once the refs get started it’d be hard to draw a line.
Much as I would like for that goal against Tottenham to be given, I think it’s better we leave all the decision making in the game not after.
What on earth are you talking about, set a harmful precedent? Decisions have been reviewed and changed by football authorities for literally decades and you think THIS decision might set a harmful precedent?