Yeah but he tells all the low-educated types that all their problems are because of immigrants, so he’s going to kick the immigrants out, so they support him. The rest is decoration.
I hope that in the near future, racists realize that hating brown immigrants so much that you vote against your own interests is not a recipe for a happy and healthy life. Might take a few more countries completely destroying their economies under right wing fascist governments for this to happen though.
The world would objectively be a better place if people realized how much they're being manipulated by Russian propaganda. Sadly, many people are already too racist to realize they're being manipulated by Russian propaganda.
I hope the whole privatising the NHS is his downfall - it's no secret he wants what the US has, profits for the rich, care for only the already wealthy and bankruptcies galore for the working people. Are the other parties pushing this part in opposition or are they sticking their heads in the sand?
The wife beater wearing Carling drinkers put race and nativism before class and their own rights... Nobody saw that coming. Marx didn't write about these people 175 years ago or anything.
In fact they all still live in the same mill and mining towns he was talking about.
Yeah, I live in an ex-coal, post-industrial area of England where a lot of people are so excited about Reform and Nigel Farage.
Meanwhile I read about how Trump is screwing over Appalachia even though Appalachia is basically Trump Country. Hopefully we don’t repeat that mistake with Reform.
Otherwise we’ll really just be the British Appalachia in every way - geography, history, culture, and politics.
Yep. I’ve looked at YouTube videos of drives through West Virginia. It’s so beautiful with the mountains and greenery, and actually reminds me of home.
The political buffoonery and blind loyalty to leaders though - that’s not something I want reminding me of home.
Edit: and yes, some flag-obsessed geniuses actually went around my region to stick St George’s flags everywhere. The funny thing is they could’ve spent that money they spent on flags, on a charity instead. But that wouldn’t satisfy their virtue signal.
A lot of these people try to say that Nigel wasn't "officially in government" so it's actually not his fault or problem. They are utterly determined to defend him lol
A combination of factors - the love of an apparent man of the people populist features strongly, even though Farage was expensively educated and worked as a City trader.
Farage and Reform have tapped into a strain of anti-immigrant nativism that blames every problem on asylum seekers and immigrants whether its housing, jobs, transport, crime, the economy, the state of the NHS etc. Then you have the failure of the Tory party while Labour have stepped on a few too many rakes in their 18 months in government, so people are susceptible to the glib know it all politician with all the answers.
My prediction is that if Farage becomes our next PM that this sub will feature a lot of stories from Reform voters surprised that they've been screwed over b him in the same way that Trump voters are realising that a billionaire elitist was not on his side after all.
The worst part for you lot is that Farage caused Brexit and you've all seen it first hand how it not only didn't fix anything but made it all worss, yet still support him
Most voters dislike and regret Brexit. But about 30% are supporting or considering supporting Reform, and in our FPTP system, that’s enough to win most seats in a general election.
Heavy tactical voting from the opposition will be required, or a transition to proportional representation.
Not really. We don't have Reform in national government. Being a couple of steps behind a MAGA-style catastrophe, and having a chance to prevent it, is different to actually being knees-deep in MAGA-style catastrophe.
I spent a few years in the UK and it was impressive how often this guy showed up on TV, despite not even being a minister at the time.
The right wing propaganda is relentless, globally, especially now that they’ve taken over twitter. It’s not just idiocy; a lot of powerful people want guys like Farage running countries.
Absolutely this. The links to ruSSian funding especially is telling. They fund reform, AfD and others as part of asymmetric warfare to sow division. Worse, these parties usually fail when in power. Reform Council’s in the Uk are a joke, higher tax rises than non-reform Council’s despite promising the opposite. Awful timeline that we’re in.
It's just a bunch of chancers and grifters , and they all have horrific paper trails and numerous skeletons rattling around their closet's, but they are also slippery, and have absolutely no shame.
Look at Farage's Clacton house story: he's very obviously avoided tax by claiming his girlfriend paid for it, then got caught in that being a lie. Yet the media have just moved on and we've all forgotten. Compare that to Angela Rayner who was hounded out of office for making a mistake on her tax because of the house she has with a former partner that is kitted out to support he disabled son. They both fucked up their taxes, but only one of them lost their position over the constant front page news about it.
Absolutely agree. The media seem determined to give him excessive exposure and don’t hold him to account. I do worry that the media ownership model allows powerful people to control this with relative ease
Media give him so much exposure because modern media, even in the "quality" sectors, totally runs on a click-bait model. More controversy means more attention, and advertisers love that.
Doesn't explain why the BBC does it though.
So Farage campaigned for Brexit, ran away shitting his pants to hide under his bed for a few years when it actually happened, and now that everything is completely fucked because of his dumbass ideas British people are thinking about voting for him again?
Unfortunately he didn't run away but has spent all the time pretending that things would be better if he was in charge and infuriatingly has been given a platform by the media to do so.
We have a fair number of dumbasses in the UK too. If Farage becomes PM, reform voters better not complain about getting what they voted for but we know they will.
A few years ago I would salve the pain of contemplating US politics by reading about the UK. I don’t wish bad things for the British, but I will enjoy laughing if they inflict them on themselves - as I hope and expect British people are now laughing at Americans in our collective idiocy.
I’m not sure anything will ever outdo Liz Truss and the head of lettuce, though.
No they're not, they don't even know. I can guarantee the vast majority of them are blissfully unaware as they share post after post of Reform Facebook groups who only ever repost headlines of "Foreigner does something bad" in their attempt to curry favour with the people a stage below the rest of us in human evolution.
"But I thought it was the immigrants who were stealing our jobs?" sobs Reform voter standing in line at the job centre after being fired by Disruptive Sandwich Wrangling Apps R Us because her job could be done more cheaply by ChatGPT.
I don’t get where right wing nationalists are known their concern for the blue collar workers. Maybe the ‘right’ in the UK are a bit different than the ones in the US. I just thought they were all cut from the same cloth
The common idea among supporters is that Nigel is a “man of the people” and that his Reform party is the “party of the working class”, even though evidence suggests the opposite.
Not unlike Trump being seen by MAGA voters in places like West Virginia and the Deep South as their “cultural and political representative”.
Even though, he’s one of the wealthy coastal out-of-touch New York elites that they claim to dislike.
Turns out that MAGA only dislikes coastal elites when those coastal elites are Democrats.
Farage is very similar, railing against the elites despite him coming from a very privileged background and banking at Coutts, the bank for the wealthy.
The idea is that foreigners / minorities are to blame for all the country's problems is a popular one because you can see them in the street and the grifters can talk about "invasion" and patriotism and painting flags on roundabouts.
The idea that the wealthy not paying their taxes and the massive idiocy of privatising basic services being the real problem is much harder to visualise and is usually kept quiet because the people doing the shouting about "foreigners bad" are also the ones not paying their fair share and benefiting from the selling off or running down of public services.
u/coffeewalnut08, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...
Farage and most of the senior leadership in Reform are ex-Tories.
Their complaint was the Tory party wasn't right-wing enough or sufficiently pro-business so he left to join UKIP and then started Reform.
Farage is also in favour of selling off the NHS, he admires Putin and called Liz Truss's budget the best since Thatcher.
There's nothing that is supportive of workers in Reform.
Yeah but he tells all the low-educated types that all their problems are because of immigrants, so he’s going to kick the immigrants out, so they support him. The rest is decoration.
I hope that in the near future, racists realize that hating brown immigrants so much that you vote against your own interests is not a recipe for a happy and healthy life. Might take a few more countries completely destroying their economies under right wing fascist governments for this to happen though.
I hope one day the intelligence services just dump what they have on him and his connections.
If the UK and US intelligence services had in 2015/16 the world would be a better place.
The world would objectively be a better place if people realized how much they're being manipulated by Russian propaganda. Sadly, many people are already too racist to realize they're being manipulated by Russian propaganda.
Yep
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The ironic part is seeing his supporters in his constituency being surprised at the fact that their guy is against giving more rights for them.
They should be thankful he’s not running the Government.
I hope the whole privatising the NHS is his downfall - it's no secret he wants what the US has, profits for the rich, care for only the already wealthy and bankruptcies galore for the working people. Are the other parties pushing this part in opposition or are they sticking their heads in the sand?
The wife beater wearing Carling drinkers put race and nativism before class and their own rights... Nobody saw that coming. Marx didn't write about these people 175 years ago or anything.
In fact they all still live in the same mill and mining towns he was talking about.
Yeah, I live in an ex-coal, post-industrial area of England where a lot of people are so excited about Reform and Nigel Farage.
Meanwhile I read about how Trump is screwing over Appalachia even though Appalachia is basically Trump Country. Hopefully we don’t repeat that mistake with Reform.
Otherwise we’ll really just be the British Appalachia in every way - geography, history, culture, and politics.
Trumpen-Proletariat is so the same crowd. West Virginia would be splashed with St. George crosses.
Yep. I’ve looked at YouTube videos of drives through West Virginia. It’s so beautiful with the mountains and greenery, and actually reminds me of home.
The political buffoonery and blind loyalty to leaders though - that’s not something I want reminding me of home.
Edit: and yes, some flag-obsessed geniuses actually went around my region to stick St George’s flags everywhere. The funny thing is they could’ve spent that money they spent on flags, on a charity instead. But that wouldn’t satisfy their virtue signal.
Same mountains!!! One day i hope to hike them all
From outside uk: how can the people even consider the same person that promoted the bexit after the disasters it produced?
Same way Americans could stomach Trump after his first term: bigotry!
That or hacked vote tabulation machines. Eh, little of column A, little of column B.
A lot of these people try to say that Nigel wasn't "officially in government" so it's actually not his fault or problem. They are utterly determined to defend him lol
He fled the country!
Half of them still don’t accept Brexit as bad
They don’t think it’s a failure.
A combination of factors - the love of an apparent man of the people populist features strongly, even though Farage was expensively educated and worked as a City trader.
Farage and Reform have tapped into a strain of anti-immigrant nativism that blames every problem on asylum seekers and immigrants whether its housing, jobs, transport, crime, the economy, the state of the NHS etc. Then you have the failure of the Tory party while Labour have stepped on a few too many rakes in their 18 months in government, so people are susceptible to the glib know it all politician with all the answers.
My prediction is that if Farage becomes our next PM that this sub will feature a lot of stories from Reform voters surprised that they've been screwed over b him in the same way that Trump voters are realising that a billionaire elitist was not on his side after all.
Do they also happen to moan about how Thatcher fucked them over by any chance?
Hopefully next time they remember when someone like that comes along.
Some do, as well. Which is ironic if they're also going to be voting Reform.
The worst part for you lot is that Farage caused Brexit and you've all seen it first hand how it not only didn't fix anything but made it all worss, yet still support him
Most voters dislike and regret Brexit. But about 30% are supporting or considering supporting Reform, and in our FPTP system, that’s enough to win most seats in a general election.
Heavy tactical voting from the opposition will be required, or a transition to proportional representation.
Sorry to break this to you, but (the collective) you actually are. To think otherwise is just a form of British exceptionalism.
Not really. We don't have Reform in national government. Being a couple of steps behind a MAGA-style catastrophe, and having a chance to prevent it, is different to actually being knees-deep in MAGA-style catastrophe.
Your MAGA style catastrophe was Brexit.
So they are aware that all their council benefits, dole cash and government benefits will go away with Reform……
Rhetorical question because we all know that they won’t have a fucking clue. The propaganda being firehosed at them will never mention that bit.
The Lumpenproletariat
Yes. Or as I call that current group in the US - Trumpen-proletariat.
Don’t let Farage you trick you again…
I remember that Orwell liked to taunt his comrades about how disconnected they were from actual proletariat especially on social issues.
Our very own Temu Trump. Awful human being. How daft do you have to be to vote for this debacle of a human being and party?
I spent a few years in the UK and it was impressive how often this guy showed up on TV, despite not even being a minister at the time.
The right wing propaganda is relentless, globally, especially now that they’ve taken over twitter. It’s not just idiocy; a lot of powerful people want guys like Farage running countries.
Absolutely this. The links to ruSSian funding especially is telling. They fund reform, AfD and others as part of asymmetric warfare to sow division. Worse, these parties usually fail when in power. Reform Council’s in the Uk are a joke, higher tax rises than non-reform Council’s despite promising the opposite. Awful timeline that we’re in.
It's just a bunch of chancers and grifters , and they all have horrific paper trails and numerous skeletons rattling around their closet's, but they are also slippery, and have absolutely no shame.
Look at Farage's Clacton house story: he's very obviously avoided tax by claiming his girlfriend paid for it, then got caught in that being a lie. Yet the media have just moved on and we've all forgotten. Compare that to Angela Rayner who was hounded out of office for making a mistake on her tax because of the house she has with a former partner that is kitted out to support he disabled son. They both fucked up their taxes, but only one of them lost their position over the constant front page news about it.
Absolutely agree. The media seem determined to give him excessive exposure and don’t hold him to account. I do worry that the media ownership model allows powerful people to control this with relative ease
And it's been like this for well over a decade. These far right slimy fuckers get treated with kid gloves compared to everyone else.
Media give him so much exposure because modern media, even in the "quality" sectors, totally runs on a click-bait model. More controversy means more attention, and advertisers love that. Doesn't explain why the BBC does it though.
So Farage campaigned for Brexit, ran away shitting his pants to hide under his bed for a few years when it actually happened, and now that everything is completely fucked because of his dumbass ideas British people are thinking about voting for him again?
UK-US political monoculture moment
“To hide under his bed” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 basically
UK-US uniparty moment!
Propaganda is a hell of a drug, and that is the one thing conservatives have in spades.
Unfortunately he didn't run away but has spent all the time pretending that things would be better if he was in charge and infuriatingly has been given a platform by the media to do so.
Most likely because his voters are ignorant fools.
We have a fair number of dumbasses in the UK too. If Farage becomes PM, reform voters better not complain about getting what they voted for but we know they will.
I wonder if there'll be prayers to Farage on Twitter like there are prayers to Trump.
A few years ago I would salve the pain of contemplating US politics by reading about the UK. I don’t wish bad things for the British, but I will enjoy laughing if they inflict them on themselves - as I hope and expect British people are now laughing at Americans in our collective idiocy.
I’m not sure anything will ever outdo Liz Truss and the head of lettuce, though.
No they're not, they don't even know. I can guarantee the vast majority of them are blissfully unaware as they share post after post of Reform Facebook groups who only ever repost headlines of "Foreigner does something bad" in their attempt to curry favour with the people a stage below the rest of us in human evolution.
Idocracy isn't exclusive to the U.S.
Luv racism, 'ate consequences of my voting, simpel as
"But I thought it was the immigrants who were stealing our jobs?" sobs Reform voter standing in line at the job centre after being fired by Disruptive Sandwich Wrangling Apps R Us because her job could be done more cheaply by ChatGPT.
How in the jesus FUCK is this moron still in politics? it boggledls my goddamn mind!
So far this doesn't seem to have bothered them - I wonder what mechanism made a kind explainer concept that they could understand?
Nigel Farage's voters couldn't find their arse cheeks with both fucking hands.
finally, a non-US post. there's gotta be leopards feasting worldwide.
I don’t get where right wing nationalists are known their concern for the blue collar workers. Maybe the ‘right’ in the UK are a bit different than the ones in the US. I just thought they were all cut from the same cloth
The common idea among supporters is that Nigel is a “man of the people” and that his Reform party is the “party of the working class”, even though evidence suggests the opposite.
Not unlike Trump being seen by MAGA voters in places like West Virginia and the Deep South as their “cultural and political representative”.
Even though, he’s one of the wealthy coastal out-of-touch New York elites that they claim to dislike.
Turns out that MAGA only dislikes coastal elites when those coastal elites are Democrats.
Farage is very similar, railing against the elites despite him coming from a very privileged background and banking at Coutts, the bank for the wealthy.
The idea is that foreigners / minorities are to blame for all the country's problems is a popular one because you can see them in the street and the grifters can talk about "invasion" and patriotism and painting flags on roundabouts.
The idea that the wealthy not paying their taxes and the massive idiocy of privatising basic services being the real problem is much harder to visualise and is usually kept quiet because the people doing the shouting about "foreigners bad" are also the ones not paying their fair share and benefiting from the selling off or running down of public services.
I hope he gets in and then the shit will shit will really hit the fan and the whole fecal edifice will come crashing down.
Surprising to see a European politician attack workers' rights so blatantly. I thought it would be career-ending in European politics.
once upon a time it would have been. but then, once upon a time, the US president was an honourable person....
That’s what we get with a garbage media ecosystem that doesn’t hold Nigel Farage or Reform to account for anything.
Not in Britain, or at least England, in modern times.
Privately educated multimillionaire doesn't care about ordinary people shock.
Reform supporters are just MAGA with a cup of tea. Just as stupid, just as easily fooled, just as racist, just as unserious.
Of course he's against workers rights: he's a capitalist.
If more people paid even a little tiny fucking ounce of attention we wouldnt so consistently be in this situation.
Big Chungus sends his regards
Can y’all start calling it the Deform Party?
That’s a whole new set of faces for the leopards!
If the Russians can work under those conditions, so can everyone else! Am I right Nigel? (His shoes only touch carpet)
They'll still vote for him though, because they're ostensibly single issues voters and won't pay attention to anything else said.
“Shocked Pikachu face”
We humans don’t need to survive. We are simply too dumb.