Hey all,
Location is in the US
I passed N2 a couple years ago and have only gotten better since then. I used to live in Japan and my ability is pretty good.
Ive heard that those majoring in Japanese at college make it to N3/N2 by the end, so I'm wondering if it's worth it to take classes still.
It wouldn't be my major, but just so I could continue to get better and improve.
Thank you!
Maybe if you're looking for easy credits to complete a requirement?
Fair enough!
I've had several classes with someone at a N1 level taking classes with me in our upper level ones. He's not perfect but he's still really smart and I believe he took the classes because he likes it and also wants to build a relationship with the teachers. In turn, he's using those relationships to apply for study abroad in the fall and applying for specific scholarships.
Some even use those teachers as a reference point for knowing what universities to attend for grad school.
depends on the school, but for the most part, i think even the most advanced classes would reach up to N2 max. However, it can still be helpful to get daily practice, and you will probably get better at speaking, writing, and learn some new words still. If your school offers japanese language tables, i think those would be more helpful.
I actually heard about that last one! I'll definitely take a look.
Thank you for the response and thoughts!
There’s a chance the professor will do what mine did and just let you audit the class without registering that way you can practice without paying for it if you don’t need the credits.
my school has the option to conduct research in a foreign language your proficient in. could be cool
You could bolster your GPA and earn an easy minor. Little things like that help to set you apart on paper. Hell, tutor your classmates for a fee.
You know, that's not the worst idea. It might not be bad for job prospects!
Fair point on the last note
One class I found really cool was Classical Japanese. The higher your base modern Japanese level, the better.
I've done this before and was in your exact situation!
Like what another commenter here mentioned, I volunteered to tutor my classmates and ending up making new friends.
I initially regretted it, as most of the students were below my level and could only do boring conversations.
However, all of the japanese faculty and TAs were native speakers. So I reached out to them for further guidance and that was my opportunity to practice with language experts and learn N1 material beyond the typical curriculum.
Thank you for your response! It's a small world, being in the same situation and all.
I'll have to keep this in mind. Thank you!
It very much depends on the school. Some have minimal Japanese classes. The best schools have dozens of Japanese classes. Consider University of Hawaii, for example.
https://eall.manoa.hawaii.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/JPN-BA-Prereq-7-2025.pdf
Their advanced courses would be beyond N1, not to mention specialist courses in classical literature, etc.
Other schools might stop at the Genki textbook.
So you should assess what your school has available and see how it fits your needs.
I was taking upper university courses for a while, but stopped because I wanted to focus on reading, which I can do by myself.
It depends heavily on the university.
I started uni in Canada with N2 level, I "skipped" 1st and 2nd year classes (sat the exams, got credit) and went straight into year 3 level classes. Still quite an easy level, but I then did 4th year classes in my second year and was able to challenge myself with some higher-level literature projects and translation units. I did a year abroad for my 3rd year and passed N1 during that time.
My final year I focused on linguistics with a few graduate-level translation units.
But I was at a uni with an excellent Asian Studies department, which not all institutions have.
Until recently I was teaching Japanese at a university in the UK and most of our students attained N2 at best, but on the flip side have excellent spoken Japanese.
Aren’t there Japanese classes on speaking, Classical Japanese, novel reading…?
You typically have to have the specific lower classes done as prerequisite for taking the literature and culture classes unless you get special permission.
You might not be allowed. My school would not award a degree if you had N3
Interesting! I didn't even consider that, go figure
There was a woman in my class that spoke fluent japanese due to living there but because she didn't finish highschool, she was able to to take classes. So ya not fair.
But I would say it's a major waste if time and money.
Having an N2 cert will get you interviews on it's own. If you want to work in Japan or with japanese.
Is this common ? I find that strange, considering the degree is supposed to be acknowledgment of what you know, unrelated to whether they are the ones who taught you those things or not
No clue how common. Only went to SDSU. But why waste time and money on it if you already know the material.
Because the market dictated I "needed" a $40k+ piece of paper to do the job I've been doing since I was 20.
I really really "needed" that piece of paper. That could be in literally any fucking field. Just to have more opportunities in a job I've been doing for more than a decade. Sighs in Millennial.
When I was in uni in the 2010s, foreign language classes at my uni had a lot of restictions about who could take them, to avoid native speakers or people above their level from taking them and getting easy A's, and filling up the class registration and preventing people who could actually benefit from the class from taking it. Like you couldn't take JPN courses if you had Japanese citizenship, as one of the restrictions. So it's pretty common I believe
At my uni, anyway, you could either start at the 100-level courses, or you could take a placement test, at which point they told you which class you could start at, and after you took the placement test it was non-negotiable. Like if you placed into the 300-level courses you weren't allowed to take the 200-level courses as a refresher or just because you wanted to
See you if you can volunteer as a tutor or TA. You're Japanese will be better than most students. And student's will usually come to you for more difficult parts of the language which can help you 'review' more difficult parts of the language.
Bro I wasn't even N3 level yet and the uni classes were still WAY below my level. Where have you heard that college Japanese goes up to N2 level???
Greatly depends on the university I would think... My uni had a bunch of advanced level courses in Japanese and the early levels (1st and 2nd year) were intensive 6 credit courses. In 4 years (including one year abroad which was strongly encouraged for majors/minors) you could definitely make to N2 if not N1, even starting from the beginning.
Not really. You'll be stuck with a bunch of cringe students, not all, but enough. You will be bored. Most likely they won't let you unless you pretend to know nothing and take 101. Or you tone it way down to test into a higher class. But either way, you'll get found out and also not enjoy it.
Best you could do is talk to the coordinator or department head and ask if they have some way of creating an elective or specialist class. Do a bit of research in novels or current issues and see if they'd be wiling to make a course for you out of that.
But outside that... Not really worth it over just continuing to study yourself.
Edit: I guess another idea would be to take Japanese history not the language, if that or an East Asian course is offered. And you have any interest in it. But unless you really like history it would be the wrong direction too.
Not entirely true.
I did a 2x4 program (community college for the AA, uni for the BA) and because I live in a state that offers entirely online classes, I was able to very easily downplay my ability until university.
If you want to challenge yourself, obviously don't do what I did. But if you were learning Japanese for many years and then all of a sudden hit a wall in your career where every interview is, "why didn't you go to college?" And then you get fucking low balled because you refused to go into debt at 18? Yeah, I can't recommend taking the "easy" way out enough.
Look up the specific class info, they should have a syllabus with specific grammar, goals etc. See if it matches what you know/don't. Also, you could email the Prof in charge and ask
Once you’re past N3, I think the biggest thing that’s going help you improve is immersion. Courses at a university can get you plugged into conversation groups, which is very valuable. In general, the coursework can help you get your reps in or be a good refresher on grammar and vocab. Unless your specific courses can do very advanced studies? But I’m not sure how common that is in the U.S. It wasn’t when I was in university there.
If it's the only way you can become a transfer student to a university in Japan or if after all this time your beginner/intermediate Japanese has started to faulter or you just want to throw money around in hopes that your certifications in japanese classes specifically might one day be more useful than your N2 cirtification, definitely worth it.
If it's because you think you'll make friends/learn something you haven't learned before/it'll be worth the money, not worth it.
I would recommend looking for a conversation meet up
See if it's possible to do independent study. When I was in university, I had experience living in Japan and placed out of the highest level of Japanese classes, but my advisor allowed me to meet her regularly and discuss novels and video games that I was playing while I would write occasional essays, and I was able to work out a curriculum with her where she would give me credit.
I wouldn't suggest taking low-level classes just for the credit because it would occupy your time and not really give you anything, but if you can work out an independent study arrangement to get credit while self-studying and challenging yourself, I say go for it!
I don’t usually participate in this sub because of how toxic it is, but I have wondered why you would take Japanese courses in university to begin with? Isn’t it much cheaper anyway to do one on one tutoring even? There are so many online tutors that offer extremely low rates when compared to university. It’s unclear what your goal is. If you want to work in Japan obviously being able to speak Japanese is barely even a qualification since every Japanese person can already do that. I would and did use university as an opportunity to gain some relevant skills for a career.
This depends on the school really and their cost per credit hours. My college Japanese was half the cost per year compared to my tutor (and she’s really affordable compared to most), then there’s the possibility of scholarships and grants making it free for some people.
Biggest pro for college classes is that it’s structured with an instructor with set expectations and goals, imo. Not everyone learns well with self-study. Plus it helps fill credit requirements for your degree.
I think at that level you could just do an actual japanese medium class or advanced topic, like japanese literature.
This kind of comes off less like a question and more like listing credentials. If you’re already N2+ and lived in Japan, you probably know whether beginner-to-intermediate college classes will help you or not.
My assumption has been that it wouldn't be beneficial, but I felt it would be a waste to not ask people that may have experience in advanced courses. Creating this thread already gave me a ton of ideas and new info!
The obvious recommendation is to sit down and talk with the professors of these classes. They will be able to answer exactly what content they teach and see if there is any value based on your current level of knowledge.
Additionally, a lot of universities will have opportunities to do “for credit” independent studies. Where you can work directly with a professor to learn material beyond the scope of the regular classes.
First two years are typically genki 1 and 2.
Then Tobira or J301.
4 years of Japanese should get to N2
But yeah if you’re already there it’s going to be review. I might do it if I needed an easy A/GPA boost.
You could also just test out if you want the credits without sitting through the classes.
At that level, you might be better off trying to get a gig as a TA for the Japanese classes. You would get paid, can up some resume experience, and basically get all the perks of continuing to practice and develop as if you were taking a class. Depending on the teacher, you will also get a lot more 1:1 time to practice at a more advanced level that's probably more suited for you.
The language courses may not be too helpful, but the cultural ones will. High level courses that involve writing papers in Japanese and having them corrected can also help, if your school has them.
This is information from 2015, but at the time I was told by a professor of Japanese at an American university that's ranked highly for its Japanese department that a diploma with a Japanese major is roughly equivalent to a high score on the N3 test. So if you already have N2, you're already beyond undergrad Japanese courses. By that logic, anyway. You might be more interested in "Japanese" courses that are aimed at grad students, but those are more like researching a topic in Japanese rather than studying the language.
Hope this comment helps
Basic test of if it's worth it is if you can actually speak, listen read and write. Not just test materials, but out in the world. If you can't, you need to work on it somehow. If you do take classes, they might have some way of proficiency-ing past the basic classes, but doing the in class exercises and homework might help at a certain level.
Depends on the university. Some have limited offerings and some have a lot more. If it's important to you, look for the universities that have bigger departments. But obviously prioritize whatever subject you actually plan to major in. Take the placement test when you get there and try it out. You can always drop it if it isn't what you are looking for.
I’d assume if you already had N2 university level Japanese in the US would probably be a super easy way to boost your GPA! It would be foolish not to leverage the system to your benefit. It will be like N5/N4 level maybe
ultimately only you can decide if it's worth it or not, but i would always say go for it.
having access to a teacher should be reason enough, and classroom settings are great ways to meet like-minded people to practice or even just chat with. and if you're a university student and you're confident that you'll get good grades, it's an easy way to boost/maintain your GPA