Am pretty much done completely with kashi 1.5k but now what do i do for grammar is there another deck or do i just make my own deck?

  • Please bundle up and ship me the motivation you used, so I can finish kaishi 1.5k too

    I’ll give it a shot:

    Motivation isn’t enough to sustain you, very rarely can people keep up motivation for multiple years. That’s an unreasonable expectation to put on yourself.

    Language learning is about endurance and habit more than it is about motivation, because motivation is fickle and will vanish on you. I’m rarely “motivated” to brush my teeth, but I do it even when my life is terribly stressful because it’s a habit. I don’t even have to think about it.

    You just need to aim for something small enough that you can make it into a habit. If it’s too slow, add more cards for a couple days - if it’s getting to be too much, stop adding new cards and only do reviews for a while.

    Sure the rare freak of nature can make an impressive reddit post about how they did 50 new cards per day, but most of us will fail and burn out, and then stop making progress.

    Whereas 5 new cards per day is 1825 in a year, more than enough to hit 1.5 and with cheat/rest days besides.

    If 5 is too many, do less. The daily reviews are the thing to focus on. The beginning, when you can’t understand anything, is hard. There will be a point it will get easier, but you have to get there first.

    I wasted so much time by trying to do too much and burning out repeatedly. I’d be thousands and thousands of words ahead if I realized earlier that the trick is to focus on consistency. Not speed, motivation, or effort.

    Turn it into something slow but inevitable, and you literally can’t fail except by giving up.

    You can speed up or slow down, or do less or do more, but you should always do something every day, no matter how little.

    Habit is the key. Doing even small amounts but doing it daily will eventually become huge. Make it a part of your routine so you don't ask if you feel like it, you just do it.

    I feel like Anki has a kind of built-in habit-keeper which is, if you miss a day, you're going to have a double mountain of reviews tomorrow lol!

    LoL! From personal experience, staring at a stack of reviews after coming back from a couple weeks away from computers can be hugely demoralizing. Especially the first couple days when everything feels foreign.

    Anki has options for this. Review limit or reduced workload should do the trick.

    My teacher advised me to just mark all the cards right in this kind of situation. They will come up again eventually.

    Ya know, I don't know what the Anki experts would say but considering the alternative could be quitting entirely, I think your teacher is giving you some great advice.

    From a strictly "Anki hygiene" POV this is not good (especially if you are on FSRS) because you are feeding the algorithm inaccurate information about your retention rate, although I can understand how from a long-term "not quitting" POV this is a good move. But the fact is if you don't remember these words, then passing them now will only lead to failing them later. It's basically robbing Peter to pay Paul, time-wise

    True, a 2-week backlog of reviews is ragequit fuel for sure

    I absolutely agree.

    I personally like thinking about it as reducing the amount of energy you spend and reducing friction. For me the "it takes discipline, not motivation" advice was actually detrimental and made me burn out harder. I would get burned out and just think "I just need to be more disciplined" and push myself where I got even more burnt out.

    The habit of brushing your teeth is a perfect example. It takes no energy for you to do so because it is so ingrained as a habit. If the reviews become too much it means I'm adding too much friction and spending too much energy. I need to scale back. I also do things such as make it super easy to do reviews on my phone and instead of doing it in one big time block I do a little bit throughout the day. It is way less energy and friction to do my reviews while sitting on the train or waiting for my food order compared to trying to do my reviews when I'm tired from the work day and just want to play some video games. The point is that I want my reviews to be as easy to mindlessly go to on my phone as it is to go to Reddit or other social media.

    I will also take advantage of my tendency to procrastinate. Don't want to write that work email? Try opening up anki or a book in Japanese before I go doomscroll on my phone. Many times I just close out of it and doomscroll anyways, but like 25% of the time I end up studying which is way better than 0%.

    If I have a motivation spike I will take advantage of it but I'm careful to not do stuff like add 50 new cards in a day because I know the motivation won't last forever. I also try to keep learning and immersion resources as easily accessible as possible because often times starting is the hardest part. The harder it is to start the less likely I am to do it.

    I'll also do suboptimal studying if the alternative is not studying at all. If I need to take a cheat day I will take it and not think about it. They key is to have enough discipline that 1 cheat day doesn't turn into 2, then 5, then it is a month later and you have only done a few hours of study.

    I think everyone needs to figure out the right balance and what works for them. It takes a lot of experimenting. For example I am really bad with delayed gratification and long-term goals, so if I think too much about how reaching some goal like finishing 1.5k will take a year, it will actually demotivate me. So I continuously focus on small goals and short-term wins that build up to to the bigger goals.

    I agree, it's all habit, and having that special moment in the day that you always do anki. The moment after breakfast etc. is done in the morning, first thing is anki (then work if it's a weekday).

    That really holds true whether you do many or few cards. I've had some days where I really didn't want to do anki but the habit and keeping the streak kept me going. But most days I just go and do it without thinking about it.

    Also seeing the number of learned cards, and how long you've done it can feel rewarding. If I lost the streak I'm afraid it'd be all over lol.

    But habit is number one.

    Very inspiring post. thank you

    Facts I wish I started Anki on day one but I hated Anki so I wasted a bunch of time trying literally anything else

    I def have days where it feels like a very boring slog

    My motivation is coming from keeping my streak going, currently at 15 days with more than half of the words learned. Though I already know a good 400-500 of the words in Kaishi so that makes it a little easier. Another motivation is my desire to read LNs and VNs in the future, ofc those will also be a slog to get through since I’ll have to sentence mine but tbh I think sentence mining is a lot more fun since you’re learning from content you like.

    Keep going, try to set your new word limit to 10 a day. I do 20 because I usually know 4-5 of the new words. Also try doing it every day to form a habit. Eventually you’ll feel weird not doing Anki. Not much you can do to get past the slog feeling without diving into it to reach the other side ya know?

    Paying actual money to register for an exam and having an impending deadline really helped for me.

    you either want to learn japanese or you don't, it's that simple

    Just do 20 new cards and you finish it quickly

    If you have lots of free time (like I did when I was between jobs) you can even do more than that. I maxed out at 100-120 new cards per day and cleared a N3 deck (read: N3 words only, not N5 to N3) deck in under 1 month by doing that. Not for the faint of heart, but Anki speedruns ARE possible

    How much would you say you remembered a month after that though? What else were you doing to learn? I'm currently doing 30~ new cards a day (Kaishi + mining). Will do more later on once I'm done with a few other decks but I'm not sure I'd be able to remember them.

    The key is it's not like I quit Anki after that month. I kept reviewing the words and of course not all of them stuck perfectly (leeches are inevitable) but the interesting thing is as long as FSRS is doing its job and I am doing my job (completing my reviews), I constantly hovered around my target retention rate (80-85%) for mature cards. Anki really is kind of amazing that way. Whether you are doing 10 new words per day or 100, if you complete your reviews and answer accurately and let the algo do its thing, you WILL hit your retention targets. It just depends how much time you want to throw at it.

    I see. Yeah makes sense, also doing reviews doesn't feel too bad, at least it doesn't for me right now, if anything it makes me feel like "damn I know a lot" when I see stuff that's like instant "Easy". Then again I set DR to 80 and FSRS on a few days ago, so now those easy are pushing stuff forward for months so I probably won't get them anymore after a few days lol.

    I might increase my daily words a bit, 30 a day seems ok right now, doing about an hour of anki a day, (radicals, phonetics and DoJG deck take a bit of time, particularly that last one since I'm not rushing through it, reading sentences and stuff, although I'm not feeling like it's super good it's also kind of short so I'll be done with it in a couple of weeks).

    FSRS does feel odd for short decks though, I wonder if there's a way to disable it for specific decks, for stuff like kanji phonetics since it's just 100 cards or so it's not like you can compensate by adding more cards so once you start pushing them super far I get the feeling you'll start to forget them because you're not seeing them again.

    I am almost certain you can enable or disable FSRS on a per-deck basis, you just have to come up with a page of custom settings, name it, then assign those settings to the decks you want vanilla SRS on. It feels a bit like a weird extra step but I’m far from an Anki power user so I’m sure it’s convenient for the truly serious

    With that its also best to do based on how much u can remember so it doesnt feel like ur cramming words

  • This is such an angry upvote for me lmao.

  • Now you sushi

  • When I mine words, I add them to my kaishi deck so everything's in one big pile

    That's the smart thing to do but I enjoy the dopamine of watching the number of reviews on the Kaishi deck going lower and lower each day.

    Any advantages from doing that over doing what I do ie doing my daily kaishi cards and my daily mined cards separately? I started that way and I dont know how hard or easy it is to fuse both decks since they have different note types…

    there's no functional difference

    Advantage is less clutter.

    Disadvantage is less control/customization.

    When I'm happy about finishing my deck, I don't want another one waiting. That's all.

  • Now you get Game Sentence Miner, which you can use for both games and videos, and start a mining deck. If you really want a grammar deck jlab has one but I didnt like it very much and opted for reading tae kim a bit and searching up grammar points as I interacted with them.

    Does game sentence miner autograb voice from anime as well or it that just from games?

    Yup I honestly think the creator should change the name cause its perfect for all types of immersion and allows you to use your chrome addons like yomitan, migaku, or whatever you have with it.

    I'm new to this sub and heard of "mining" a few times now but have no clue what it is. If you care to explain, what is it?

    Sure! Instead of using a premade deck you would watch japanese content and "mine" it for new words. Ideally you would look for sentences that have one word you don't know and put that in an anki card but I mainly pick out whatever jumps to me.

    So, let's say I'm watching a video and some guy says 「私はその映画監督を高く評価している」and the only word I dont know there is 評価. I would find out the meaning of 評価, go to anki, and make a sentence card.

    For me these are much easier to recall that regular decks probably because I picked the words my self and if it comes from a video or a game they have a nice little gif to go along with the word. If you want to get started get that app that I talked about and watch Livakivi's video on sentence mining.

    If that was too confusing here is a visual aid: Example Card 1 Front Example Card 1 Back

    Example Card 2 FrontExample Card 2 Back

  • I am 1000 words in the core 2.3k version. Plenty of words I don't understand when I try to read japanese media but so many i do understand now. Always feels fantastic to read something even if it's just a small sentence somewhere

  • I put grammar but i mean vocab sorry

    You go mine from input, making your own deck from words relevant to the content you’re consuming.

  • Congrats! Hopefully you can get them all mature faster than I did!

    Next thing is really to just start reading/watching stuff, mining words, and now that you've got that vocab under your belt, will be easier. I personally like the lazy guide:

    Lazy Guide

    Also getting some grammar too from a guide like Yokubi or Tae Kim is good as well.

  • do core 10k

  • Start reading easy light novels like kuma kuma bear and mine the words with yomitan

  • Congratulations! Finishing 1.5k is a big step (you've already made it way further than most people).

    The one thing about learning vocab is that there's always more (in terms of facilitating immersion in native material, 1.5k is still going to be very uncomfortable). I would move on to a frequency deck that goes up to 10k and keep chugging forward.

    Isn't the 10k deck going to have the Kaishi shit in there too?

    yeah I mean any new deck you try is likely to have some repeats. But whenever you see one just suspend it.

    Or hell u can just do them again so it sticks even more in memory

    Yeah, it takes five seconds to suspend a card, or fifteen seconds to slap easy on it five times over a period of months before it gets banished to the shadow realm (I consider any review over 1yr to be basically gone forever)

    That's fair enough... although I have my Anki configured to not even have an Easy or Hard button—just a simple binary pass/fail, but yeah another solution is just to ease-max the words you already know so they won't bother you too much. The downside though is that they waste a "new card" per day. For example if you are doing 20 new words per day and 2 of them are already known and you just hit "easy" then in reality, you only learned 18 new words that day.

    Isn't there a bury function on Anki which kind of lets you skip those?

  • RTK deck, TaeKim grammar, core 10k.

  • This will be me at the end of the year

  • May I ask how long it took you? And how many words a day you did?

  • Congrats! At about the halfway point i started mining words to study in the same deck

  • Core 10k, sentence mining and more immersion

  • Just out of curiosity how are your listening and reading skills?

  • Did you not get any leeches? After I finished I still do reviews, but since I lapse so much I have something like 100 leeches that got suspended

    You can disable marking cards as leaches or increase the threshold.

  • Try different options and learn what works for you personally.

  • I finished Kaishi 1.5k around 2 months ago, though not at the high maturity level you have. Started a mining deck, and started mining vocab cards using yomitan using light novels and novels. I first completed また、同じ夢を見ていた which took around 50 hours over a month, mined around 1000 cards from it. You can start reading from the get go, its just choosing something at your level but still challenging. I'm currently reading 何故か学校一の美少女が休み時間の度に、ぼっちの俺に話しかけてくるんだが? Its a lot easier since its mostly dialogue. I didn't use a grammar deck and just intuited the grammar since I did a lot of passive listening immersion using podcasts before starting reading immersion. You can do some dedicated grammar study but thats optional, you'll learn most of it via immersion. Of course, you can mine from youtube, etc.

  • currently on tae kims, should i do this too?

    Yes definitely try it. I was surprised to understand quite a lot of words in Japanese media after starting Kaishi. I am also using Tae Kim's deck fyi :)

    Yes. That deck is just the most used 1.5k words, meaning you'll see them everywhere, knowing all of them is not nearly enough to be able to do much though.

  • just use jpdb instead of anki

  • As someone who also just finished kaishi 1.5k, I’ve been watching videos on cijapanese.com and grabbing new words with yomitan to put in a new vocab deck!

  • If you have a computer, I highly suggest looking into Yomitan. As for grammar, I recommend downloading Teuida as well as a PDF reader and then download the Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese Grammar PDF. Or if you have an apple device you could just download Tae Kim's app 'Sensei'.

  • Hey I'm doing it I'm like 200 words yet to learn but I don't like this set, I was thinking of finishing those words remaining and switch to another set because kaishi 1.5k has way too little grammar info like I'd like to know if the word I'm using is a noun or what because I feel like not learning that at the same time is stupid since you need that kind of info to use it properly

    Anyway any recommendations as to which set could suit me? I still have to check myself some more sets but I would love some recs

  • What app is this?! Is this Anki?! Mine doesn’t look anything like this

  • How long should this take someone? I’m 3 months in and I’m introduced to about 60% but they definitely aren’t all mature. I was planning to try some very light reading soon

  • Jlab is one of the top results in anki for Japanese and it is very well deserved ranking. The cards are amazing and it’s based off is TK’s grammar book (which is not needed but a great addition for going through the deck). I recommend this deck to EVERYONE!

  • Congrats! Wish I can finish it soon too

  • What’s Kaishi 1.5K? An Anki deck?

    yes. with the 1.5k most common words.

  • Alright i think i got it now thanks everyone

  • After the 1.5K deck I got Migaku and wanted to start mining my own deck until I realized, 2 minutes into an anime, that I would have to make a card for pretty much every other word in every sentence

    So instead I'm doing their Japanese Academy course deck which teaches 1800 words and 400 grammar points. This way I can blast thru the vocab, learn like 300 new words, plus grammar