I moved into a new apartment and noticed the gas stove was plugged into a power strip. I’m trying to break the lease for several reasons including roach poop.
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You're being a prick when you're asking for help. What kind of a fucking question is this? You're not going to be able to break your lease because your landlord plugged on electric ignition for a gas stove into a surge protected extension cord. You'd have better luck shoveling the roach shit into your mouth, getting sick and suing him over that.
If you could read the comments you will see that I’m already transferring the lease to someone else. I’m paying a fee to do so. I’m not trying to get out of my lease over the stove. Reading is hard, isn’t it?
So you expected me to read something that you didn't type? No, I'm not going to go through every single one of your comments. You fucking moron put it in the description for your actual post if you think it's that important in your post, you make it seem like you're trying to break the lease because of a fucking surge protector and roach shit. Don't sit here and act condescending when you're the one being a prick.
Gas stoves use a small amount of electricity. Electricity powers the ignition for the range, the clock/screen if there is one, the oven light, and the convection/exhaust fan if there is one. If the oven heating elements were electric it would be on a 240V circuit and have a totally different plug that wouldn't even fit into a power strip.
Appliances like space heaters tell you not to plug them into power strips because they generally run at the max sustained current for a circuit. You shouldn't really have anything else on the same circuit as a space heater anyway. Gas stoves don't do this.
You seem to be talking a lot of shit for a guy who also didn't write the California fire code and is constantly being told that he's wrong. You should delete this post. It's making you look like an asshole
Yep! I've seen OP post links to the fire code for others, but I still don't see the smoking gun there either.
The draw from that stove should be so small, there really should not be any problem. The only concern I would have is that these power strips often wear out, making these plugs loose over time. As long as it was new when it was installed, and it's not being used for anything else, then it really shouldn't be a problem.
Fuck landlords, but also nothing in that code says you can’t plug the starter of a stove into a power strip
(a) Unless specifically permitted otherwise in Section 2500.7, flexible cords and cables shall not be used:
(1) as a substitute for the fixed wiring of a structure;
It’s not
(2) where run through holes in walls, ceilings, or floors;
It’s not
(3) where run through doorways, windows or similar openings;
It’s not
(4) where attached to building surfaces;
It’s not
(5) where concealed behind building walls, ceilings, or floors; or
It’s not
(6) Where installed in raceways, except as otherwise permitted in these Electrical Safety Orders.
It’s not
Seemingly, that section of the code wouldn’t even take offense at plugging in an electric stove to an extension cord (should you find a 220V extension), let alone the electric starter of a gas stove
I think you’re reading that section in a way it wasn’t meant. The list isn’t saying “all of these must apply,” it’s saying flexible cords can’t be used if any of these conditions apply. The very first one is the relevant part here: using a power strip long-term for an appliance ends up substituting for fixed wiring. The rest of the list is just other situations where flexible cords can’t be used.
So even though it’s just an igniter, the connection still falls under that first rule. That’s why inspectors don’t allow appliances to be powered through strips or extensions as a permanent setup.
if you know it's against code to start with why even post just to yell at ppl? some perfectly safe things might be technically against choice but if you want to use the code violation to try and break your lease more power to you, no reason to get so agitated on reddit about it
mmmm, asking if they're a "landlord/slumlord" would say otherwise...
i'm not a lawyer and don't know much about california but i imagine most states will defer to the landlord and allow them to fix an issue like this before voiding the lease - it's worth a try if you want to get out but i wouldnt hold my breath...
Gas stove, probably not,(I don't know your local codes) electric stove use a different plug (220) and if it was that, you world be correct. But like others have said, it's for the small stuff, spark ignitor, timer, clock, that sort of stuff.
2-6 don't apply here, unless the cord is going through a wall or under a door where we can't see it. Are you claiming that this is "a substitute for the fixed wiring of a structure?" I'm not an electrician, but I disagree. It's definitely not as clear-cut as you're making it out to be.
Maybe you'd be able to find something more applicable in sections about appliances, instead of sections about flexible extension cords.
(b) Flexible cords and cables shall be used only for:
(1) pendants;
(2) wiring of fixtures;
(3) connection of portable lamps or appliances;
(4) portable and mobile signs;
(5) elevator cables;
(6) wiring of cranes and hoists;
(7) connection of stationary equipment to facilitate their frequent interchange;
(8) prevention of the transmission of noise or vibration;
(9) appliances where the fastening means and mechanical connections are designed to permit removal for maintenance and repair;
(10) data processing cables as a part of the data processing system;
(11) connection of moving parts; and
(12) temporary wiring as permitted in Article 13 of these Low-Voltage Electrical Safety Orders.
Number 9, in bold, seems to rule out application in your situation though. Since that’s an appliance designed to be moved for maintenance and repair.
All of that is moot though, since title 8 is California’s code similar to OSHA regulations, and does not apply to fucking rental houses. It’s occupational and workplace safety. So again, please cite your source that this isn’t permitted.
Not the recommended way to do it. It should be plugged directly in to a outlet. If you're trying to use this as a example to break your lease I would look in to your local codes and regulations to see if this is a violation.
Yeah strips might not ever be recommended, but a gas range has just ignition and clock and maybe a light and fan, a tv would be more demanding and people use strips a lot for those..
I’m more curious if that fridge that runs a compressor is plugged into that little strip
Only the starting amps on a compressor that small would be a concern, and even then I don't think the power strip would be an issue. The breaker would trip if there was a high amp load, and the only sixa le amp load is that compressor start up.
The power draw will be low enough that it should be fine. I’m not saying it’s a good idea, but the clock, igniters, oven temp thermostat, and oven light pull much less than 15amps. An appliance extension cord would be a better option, but there’s nothing inherently unsafe about this.
Edit: this stove is such shit that it doesn’t even have a clock. Probably no oven light either.
Okay, but this seems like an easy fix, and honestly, not really worth posting about (in my opinion). But I guess if you hadn’t noticed it, it would have been an issue.
Reading the code you provided, it says wiring of a structure which seems to be where you’re stuck on. Wiring of the structure refers to the actual power cabling inside of the walls such as romex being run through studs for power to receptacles (wall outlets) or to dedicated appliance circuits such as for electric stoves or driers which have high amperage requirements. I should caveat that this is the fixed or permanent wiring.
A gas range only needs to power: the oven light (if applicable), electric ignition, a screen (not applicable) or convection fan (most likely not applicable). The power draw on these is not sufficient to warrant a direct wall connection. Sure, it should be plugged into the wall but I don’t see a smoking gun anywhere.
If you’re that concerned, speak to a code enforcer or local fire department and see what they say. In my eyes as a former low voltage technician, I don’t see this being against the code. Take what I say with a grain of salt.
It’s a gas stove.. it’s not drawing a ton of juice. I’d be more worried about a microwave than this. But again, if it’s of the proper gauge, you should be able to run it off a power strip without issues, provided nothing else is plugged in.
What the fuck difference does it make? I don’t live in my parent’s basement. Owning a house in bum fuck Kentucky is much different than owning in California.
You’re a fucking retard if you think the average person here makes 7 figures (over a million dollars) per year. You also realize that not all of California is expensive, right? Oh wait, that’s probably something that the average Reddit user can’t comprehend.
I know cali, and youre broke because you say "six figures" which means 101k/yr. Avg hhi in cali like $130-140k.
Again, lotta talk from kid that rents and is trying to break lease over something they are try to use to get out of it that you dont understand, at all. Hell, plenty of others in this post tried to explain it to you, and you're still a combative child about it, citing a reg you cant even read apparently.
Like i said in another comment; call code enforcement and get ready for them to laugh at you over this shit. You're a child trying to put other people down for "living in a basement" when you dont even own your home. Absolutely petulant.
I’m not broke you idiot. I’m frugal, yes, but as a single person I’m completely comfortable with how much I make and how much I have saved. Kindly GTFO.
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Electric start for the fuel ignition.
Is this against fire code or no? lol
I am an electrican
gas stoves can use a regular outlet but electric stoves (a range) needs to be on the kitchen utility cuircut
Did you write the California fire code?
did they have to? it's this person's job to understand electrical safety, are you saying that you know better than them?
Also gas stoves only run the starter and maybe a fan and clock, nothing powerful
I’m more interested about using that basic strip for the fridge??
I don't know what's up with your snarky comment but he's right
You're being a prick when you're asking for help. What kind of a fucking question is this? You're not going to be able to break your lease because your landlord plugged on electric ignition for a gas stove into a surge protected extension cord. You'd have better luck shoveling the roach shit into your mouth, getting sick and suing him over that.
If you could read the comments you will see that I’m already transferring the lease to someone else. I’m paying a fee to do so. I’m not trying to get out of my lease over the stove. Reading is hard, isn’t it?
Christ, takes a real cunt to double down this hard.
So you expected me to read something that you didn't type? No, I'm not going to go through every single one of your comments. You fucking moron put it in the description for your actual post if you think it's that important in your post, you make it seem like you're trying to break the lease because of a fucking surge protector and roach shit. Don't sit here and act condescending when you're the one being a prick.
? probably not lol
Did you?
you gotta be a troll
OP shows up to Reddit to ask a question. Gets obvious answers she hates and doubles down, LOL. D/K in motion.
Why even ask if you seem to know better already? Why did you even post?
What
Plugging in an appliance like a stove into a power strip is technically against fire code, even if it’s a gas stove.
Gas stoves use a small amount of electricity. Electricity powers the ignition for the range, the clock/screen if there is one, the oven light, and the convection/exhaust fan if there is one. If the oven heating elements were electric it would be on a 240V circuit and have a totally different plug that wouldn't even fit into a power strip.
Appliances like space heaters tell you not to plug them into power strips because they generally run at the max sustained current for a circuit. You shouldn't really have anything else on the same circuit as a space heater anyway. Gas stoves don't do this.
This is super normal, and very safe.
Are you a landlord/slumloard? It goes against the fire code in California.
I am a massive slumlord, most refer to me as the slumking. My slumjects know not to ask such silly questions. Good day.
You are funny please don’t go bald
High draw appliances can't be plugged into a stove... But this isn't drawing much power. Just enough to make a tiny spark.
And he runs an extension cord and the issue goes away. Find something else.
You are in one of the most tenant friendly places in the country. If you can't find a reasonable excuse, you aren't really trying.
So why did the issue exist in the first place if it’s against code? Are you a slumlord?
As someone who has dealt with fire Marshalls, admittedly not in CA, I sincerely doubt this is against code. It's safe.
I don't think you're understanding a key distinction between gas and electric stoves, both are coded differently
You seem to be talking a lot of shit for a guy who also didn't write the California fire code and is constantly being told that he's wrong. You should delete this post. It's making you look like an asshole
It’s laughable that none of you can read… LOL!
And what are we supposed to be reading cuz you seem to be the one with comprehension issues?
Can you cite where in the fire code this is a violation? I tried to find it and was unable to.
probably asked ChatGPT lmao
Yep! I've seen OP post links to the fire code for others, but I still don't see the smoking gun there either.
The draw from that stove should be so small, there really should not be any problem. The only concern I would have is that these power strips often wear out, making these plugs loose over time. As long as it was new when it was installed, and it's not being used for anything else, then it really shouldn't be a problem.
It's an igniter you dope, not an electric stove.
Hes talking about the power strip, not the fact its plugged in, you dope. Which is actually very unsafe and not at all recommended
Why don’t you look at the California code you dope.
Can you cite the code?
https://www.dir.ca.gov/title8/2500_8.html
Fuck landlords, but also nothing in that code says you can’t plug the starter of a stove into a power strip
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Seemingly, that section of the code wouldn’t even take offense at plugging in an electric stove to an extension cord (should you find a 220V extension), let alone the electric starter of a gas stove
I think you’re reading that section in a way it wasn’t meant. The list isn’t saying “all of these must apply,” it’s saying flexible cords can’t be used if any of these conditions apply. The very first one is the relevant part here: using a power strip long-term for an appliance ends up substituting for fixed wiring. The rest of the list is just other situations where flexible cords can’t be used.
So even though it’s just an igniter, the connection still falls under that first rule. That’s why inspectors don’t allow appliances to be powered through strips or extensions as a permanent setup.
I don’t think that says what you think it says
... But that doesn't mention using power strips for appliances?
Sigh. It's not an electric stove. There is very little draw. It's 110v.
Trying to exploit legal loopholes while calling anyone who calls you out a slumlord is ridiculous.
It’s basic code. Not a loophole. LOL!
Citation?
r/confidentlyincorrect
Why, what is the gas gonna backflow into the electricity network?
I don't understand the concern.
I think you should look up the code in California. Even if there isn’t a big risk, slumlords shouldn’t be able to break code.
I asked for the reasoning behind the rule and instead I got told ",read the whole damn bible" well okay thanks.
So you think it’s fine for landlords to cut corners and do things against code? Yeah it might not be a huge risk but it’s against code in California.
Brother go jerk off your hateboner elsewhere then come back and read the message rather than whatever you're hallucinating.
Found the basement dweller. LOL!
So you think it's fine to not understand the code and blame your landlord for something that's completely legal. What are you, a Slumtenant?
California: Rules for the sake of rules, even if they make 0 sense.
Are you a slumloard?
no just a CA hater! Looking to buy one this year though! Can't wait to evict whiney losers like you though!!! :)
Oh I’d love you to evict me from your slummy apartment! Be my guest :)
if you know it's against code to start with why even post just to yell at ppl? some perfectly safe things might be technically against choice but if you want to use the code violation to try and break your lease more power to you, no reason to get so agitated on reddit about it
I’m not yelling at anyone. I just don’t think it’s right for landlords to break code and take shortcuts.
mmmm, asking if they're a "landlord/slumlord" would say otherwise...
i'm not a lawyer and don't know much about california but i imagine most states will defer to the landlord and allow them to fix an issue like this before voiding the lease - it's worth a try if you want to get out but i wouldnt hold my breath...
Sounds like you already looked this up. Why are you posting on reddit?
Gas stove, probably not,(I don't know your local codes) electric stove use a different plug (220) and if it was that, you world be correct. But like others have said, it's for the small stuff, spark ignitor, timer, clock, that sort of stuff.
https://www.dir.ca.gov/title8/2500_8.html
This is the code you've cited:
2-6 don't apply here, unless the cord is going through a wall or under a door where we can't see it. Are you claiming that this is "a substitute for the fixed wiring of a structure?" I'm not an electrician, but I disagree. It's definitely not as clear-cut as you're making it out to be.
Maybe you'd be able to find something more applicable in sections about appliances, instead of sections about flexible extension cords.
You say it’s against code: provide the link to the relevant section.
You’re welcome: https://www.dir.ca.gov/title8/2500_8.html
That does not say what you think it says.
You’re misunderstanding what a flexible cord is.
Evidenced by the exceptions listed in 2500.7:
Number 9, in bold, seems to rule out application in your situation though. Since that’s an appliance designed to be moved for maintenance and repair.
All of that is moot though, since title 8 is California’s code similar to OSHA regulations, and does not apply to fucking rental houses. It’s occupational and workplace safety. So again, please cite your source that this isn’t permitted.
No it's a 110 plug in a grounded strip either use it or risk an explosion
I mean it’s not elegant but it also isn’t an electric stove.
It’s against the code!!! OMG!
Source? I've looked into it and can't find anything that explicitly disallows this.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I'd like to know where you're getting your information.
From a practical standpoint, this is perfectly safe. The maximum draw will be less than a typical lamp
Their source is they pretty blatantly misinterpreted the code to mean what they want it to mean.
Can you cite the section of code it's breaking?
Not the recommended way to do it. It should be plugged directly in to a outlet. If you're trying to use this as a example to break your lease I would look in to your local codes and regulations to see if this is a violation.
Yeah strips might not ever be recommended, but a gas range has just ignition and clock and maybe a light and fan, a tv would be more demanding and people use strips a lot for those..
I’m more curious if that fridge that runs a compressor is plugged into that little strip
Only the starting amps on a compressor that small would be a concern, and even then I don't think the power strip would be an issue. The breaker would trip if there was a high amp load, and the only sixa le amp load is that compressor start up.
Call the fire Marshall and ask
The power draw will be low enough that it should be fine. I’m not saying it’s a good idea, but the clock, igniters, oven temp thermostat, and oven light pull much less than 15amps. An appliance extension cord would be a better option, but there’s nothing inherently unsafe about this.
Edit: this stove is such shit that it doesn’t even have a clock. Probably no oven light either.
Okay, but this seems like an easy fix, and honestly, not really worth posting about (in my opinion). But I guess if you hadn’t noticed it, it would have been an issue.
Reading the code you provided, it says wiring of a structure which seems to be where you’re stuck on. Wiring of the structure refers to the actual power cabling inside of the walls such as romex being run through studs for power to receptacles (wall outlets) or to dedicated appliance circuits such as for electric stoves or driers which have high amperage requirements. I should caveat that this is the fixed or permanent wiring.
A gas range only needs to power: the oven light (if applicable), electric ignition, a screen (not applicable) or convection fan (most likely not applicable). The power draw on these is not sufficient to warrant a direct wall connection. Sure, it should be plugged into the wall but I don’t see a smoking gun anywhere.
If you’re that concerned, speak to a code enforcer or local fire department and see what they say. In my eyes as a former low voltage technician, I don’t see this being against the code. Take what I say with a grain of salt.
This thing draws less power than charging your phone. It's fine.
I honestly wouldn’t even blink at that
These responses have me wondering how many people have their large kitchen appliances plugged into power strips.
It’s a gas stove.. it’s not drawing a ton of juice. I’d be more worried about a microwave than this. But again, if it’s of the proper gauge, you should be able to run it off a power strip without issues, provided nothing else is plugged in.
Because drawing 3.5 amps for two seconds is out of spec for a power strip?
Large appliance? It uses less electricity than an Easy Bake Oven...
I genuinely do not understand the issue with surge protection for a gas igniter. The appliance infrequently draws minimal amounts of power.
What exactly is the problem?
A bunch of basement dwellers 🤣
You sound like one of those Slumtenants.
And you sound like a slumlord
Lol dude you rent. Stop trying to make anyone else feel bad about where they live while you dont even own where you live.
What the fuck difference does it make? I don’t live in my parent’s basement. Owning a house in bum fuck Kentucky is much different than owning in California.
The difference if you cant talk shit while your broke ass is trying to break lease over a nothing issue you dont understand.
Go scroll tiktok more kid
I’m far from broke buddy. I mean, not rich, but I make 6 figures.
lmfaooooooo "six figures" in cali? youre fuckin broke.
You’re a fucking retard if you think the average person here makes 7 figures (over a million dollars) per year. You also realize that not all of California is expensive, right? Oh wait, that’s probably something that the average Reddit user can’t comprehend.
I know cali, and youre broke because you say "six figures" which means 101k/yr. Avg hhi in cali like $130-140k.
Again, lotta talk from kid that rents and is trying to break lease over something they are try to use to get out of it that you dont understand, at all. Hell, plenty of others in this post tried to explain it to you, and you're still a combative child about it, citing a reg you cant even read apparently.
Like i said in another comment; call code enforcement and get ready for them to laugh at you over this shit. You're a child trying to put other people down for "living in a basement" when you dont even own your home. Absolutely petulant.
I’m not broke you idiot. I’m frugal, yes, but as a single person I’m completely comfortable with how much I make and how much I have saved. Kindly GTFO.
Relative to where I live, all of California is expensive.
A lot of the desert towns are super cheap but for a reason… lol
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I don’t think you’re correct there. That goes against California code.
Can you reference the particular code you feel has been broken?
Nuke it from orbit and rebuild. It's the only way to be safe.