The gay shit, the synagogue that didn't exist (you even get called goy to your face), the african muslim lecturing us on how much more enlightened and better towards women they are all jump to mind when I think about this dogshit game.
Vavra sold out the Original fans in order to get some "industry recognition" and hoped to get tongue-bathed by "Games Journalists", and was completely snubbed by both the Game Awards and players voting in the Steam Awards.
Nobody is even talking about Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 anymore, other than in the context that they turned their main characters gay and put weird Virtue Signalling into it like Musa - which is both what their game/franchise will be known for in the future, and what their fan base is now. Even PCGamer and its Activist staff is only interested in that, and chose to ask and publish an article about that aspect instead of anything else about the game.
We'll see how it impacted Sales once the dust settles. I somehow doubt it will ever break 10 million copies sold like the first game, it's not viewed as a "hidden gem" anymore and the studio has ruined their reputation. And we'll see the reception once they publish another game.
At least he has a new hobby, posting homosexual fan art of his two lead characters shipped on Social media:
Wow, didn't realize vavra was STILL pushing that nonsense even after all this time.
Yea, embracer group got him by the balls and must be punishing him for the first game with all this humiliation rituals he's done since 2 was launching.
I know the woke crowd hated him with the first game and as much as they love to punish people, none of this would be surprising to learn.
Me too. I also sent an email explaining why they lost me as a fan. I don't even care if nobody read it. I know the grain of sand still contributes to fixing our culture.
Yep, this is pretty much an instant life ban for me as well. I have little time to play games these days and refuse to spend it on anything approaching wokeslop. Would rather buy some $5 indie game that's actually fun.
I did buy it and refunded it after the first hour or so. It was "modern" audience approved from the get go. The dialog is far inferior to the first game.
This was the biggest blackpill moment fr. You can be the most accomplished and influential creative in the world but it doesn't matter. You might still get blacklisted from casting agencies, performance capture facilities, award shows, voice acting guilds, lose your publisher, slapped with bogus allegations (see Chris Avellone, Alex Afriasiabi, Alec Holowka, Ashraf Ismail, etc etc). Above a certain project size, you literally cannot do woke-free entertainment in the west anymore.
This only matters if you bought the first game. It's easy to boycott something when you had no intention of playing it to begin with, like with hogwarts legacy and countless other games.
I'm not saying you didn't, just that with this context alone it could be looked at the same way.
I did buy and played the first game and one of its DLCs. It left such a great impression on me and left me in a weird I-can't-believe-I-got-to-play-and-live-in-this-world feeling. I even applied to their studio as a dev (I'm not a game dev, just a just a regular software dev). That's how much the game meant to me. And that's why the betrayal hurt more because I really wanted to play the second game.
So I assure you, this matters very much to me. đ
We are in a similar boat then. KCD1 was my favorite game. I was very active in the discord (maybe we interacted?) and one of their biggest fans. I just wish the story of the 2nd game wasnât a continuation. Now the first game is kind of ruined for me as well story wise (knowing that Hans would like to fuck Henry etc). Of course none of that was in the first game and itâs very obvious when you play it that this was not what they had in mind originally.
after seeing that X post i'm never getting it i kept seeing people saying its NOT WOKE and an option you can pass, but the way he's double downing and antagonizing like that for no real win gain, affirms me saving money. lol
Yeah the way he was acting like a dickhead didn't allow me to give him any benefit of the doubt back then. Like, if you were coerced into doing, that's one thing. But to actively antagonize your first game's fans? Yeah, that's all on you.
Bro's literally gone all in on his "White straight men don't belong in gayming" arc. Oh well. Hope he enjoys all the inevitable irrelevancy he is fated to one day have. đ€·
Does that guy even exist in any context aside from people raging about him?
Literally every time I hear about him it's because he posted some vague shit like "stand up for gamers, the most oppressed minority âđđź" and the entire industry is collectively losing their shit at him, but, like, I genuinely never hear about anything else he's doing, and yet all these people act like he's Hitler or something.
Did you run that by your carer? Are they okey with you spending all your allowance like that? Will you have enough left over for your monthly supply of adult diapers?
Yeah gotta be a real dumbass to expect a dev to stick to their original promise of period authenticity and not give into modern day DEI slop forced by Embracer.
More like the dumbasses who rage about a game having a gay or black character. There's plenty of unauthentic things in the first one, and if we are being honest we both know that you and the rest of this festering sub would be complaining if they had made a futuristic game and included a gay character. You in fact do it all the time already. You aren't principled in the slightest, you don't care about authenticity, it's a lie you tell others so you can pretend you have morals, which you don't.
They're just going to do the same gameplan as they did with KCD2; don't talk publicly about the injected DEI elements and when the leaks inevitably come out, lie their asses off as much as possible till launch day hits and sales come in.
Once they hit break-even status, full on embrace of DEI comes out.
That's the game now from what I've seen since Failguard crashed and burned so epically; don't mention the DEI, let game release then once it's sold, nonstop tout about it and how great it is while simultaneously sticking it to the 'chuds' about how 'go woke go broke' isn't real.
Yea sure it isn't real, thats why Vavra had to lie his ass off about musa when the leaks were coming out like crazy, and then once we had the game we learned the horrible truth about how awful of a character he is and how the player is forced to protect him from the 'evil christains' or it's game over.
You know kcd2 famboys are actually just tourists when you point out that in kcd1 Henry has a canon relationship with Bianca, a WOMAN. and she's not even crossdressing!
And then they literally retort with "it's perfectly normal to change your sexuality and be gay"Â
 No buddy, I ain't sucking dick after my gf gets slaughtered by Cumans^
And there's also the screen shots from Vavra way back, when it literally said Henry was straight and this game won't be filled with DEI.Â
 But ofc, the Woketards also ignore this as well.Â
The narrative that's being pushed to explain the changes falls apart for one simple reason - KCD2 picks up right after the events of the first game, there are no time gaps between the games. So Henry can't suddenly transition from 100% hetero and having a manly friendship without subtexts with Capon to suddenly becoming bi and engaged in a gay romance with him.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the studio made some changes to Henry if they'll even want to release a remaster of KCD1. They are that compromised now.
No one on the planet has ever been bi or ever had relationships with both genders.
Anti gay preachers and politicians that checked the "I'm straight and married to woman" box never got caught having gay sex/relationships on the down low. Nope. NEVER HAPPENED.
People who have had relationships with the same sex have never went back to the opposition gender and vice versa. It's NEVER HAPPENED.
People bought the 2nd game because they enjoyed the 1st game. The blowback always happens for the NEXT thing that they make. I imagine a lot of people are going to be a lot more critical of whatever they do next.
Hans was practically irrelevant in the first game. You didn't have to hang out with him at the bathhouse or do the DLC quest, so after the hunting incident he disappears until the siege. People really overstate how much their bond mattered in the first game.
As someone playing it now, itâs a fun game. These people obsessed with gay people not being in an rpg needs to STFU and go make their own game if they feel so strongly.
Ok, thenâŠdonât pursue the romance. Do you have the same feelings with women NPC romance options?
Idk if anyone watching a game sex scene should be getting turned on anyways, I always find them funny.
So if you donât wanna see the gay oneâŠ.dont follow the path?
Itâs like that skit where two rural dudes pretend the liberals forced them to get married, adopt a foreign kid to put in private school, recycle and eat right lol.
Like you guys arenât forced, but your outrage is pretending you are
Brother, itâs a video game. I need you to reframe yourself to reality. Nobody should be getting their rocks off from game characters fucking. As I recall, you donât see anyone have actual sex so you enter rant is just a self report that you think about gay sex.
There are multiple homosexual characters including other romance options besides Hans. Aside from Hans's sexuality retcon, there isn't even necessarily a problem with that by itself. The huge issue is that after the extreme care for historic authenticity and verisimilitude of the first game, in the sequel no one reacts to homosexuality in any way approaching how someone would in 1403. When it comes to sodomites, jews, Muslims, and all foreigners these medieval Bohemians all have the social politics of 2020s Seattle.
If it was portraying something that you find morally reprehensible and don't want in your media, none of your arguments would be convincing to you. I presume you would object to child abuse or pedophilia sex scenes being included in a game, even if you could choose an option to avoid them. The "you can just choose a different path" argument is unconvincing in both situations.
There are two moments in the main story where your dialogue options are something along the lines of "sure buddy" and "I love you Herr Hans". This is the only romance option you are presented if you only play through the main story.
It has ruined KCD for me and KCD1 was my favorite game of all time. The whole fandom is unbearable now as well. Dominated by the rainbow activist crowd. Guys canât be friends anymore.
This to my understanding is true. So the outrage all seems like bs from guys online who canât are insecure around gay people and thus turn their brains off and hate rages on
Please keep in mind that a sizable portion of the US and most of the eastern world find gays repulsive. Whether you think it is pathetic, bigoted or whatever is irrelevant. Not everyone wants to turn their brain off when playing video games.
Never saw any of that either during my playthrough, was honestly shocked when I found out about it online. Went all in on Katherine and bantered alot with Hans so I probably just missed the dialogue options for the gay stuff.
People hate it cause it was shoe-horned in when the first game was focusing fully on historical accuracy. When the second game just came in and added this 'extra' crap no one wanted or asked for just to get diversity points, that's what pissed people off.
If he was gay in the first game I doubt the reaction would be as bad, but everything added then coupled with all the lying vavra did when caught before the game released is what pissed people off.
And possibly the biggest of all that will always piss people off, going against historical accuracy for the sake of DEI, or honestly any agenda.
People hate it when you stomp on historical accuracy when you're setting it all in actual historical times.
Nobody is forcing you to accept it, the fact that you do speaks volumes and affirms everything I said.
Which is that how you feel, thatâs fine. But donât think itâs harsh when you wanna race sanitized media thatâs suppose to be for the consumers not just the white consumers. Because whatâs âharshâ is seeking to force entire segments of society into a coiner to make people like you âfeelâ better about your lot in life.
But as 2025 has shown, racism is a very experience policy preference for seek uphold.
The CRA literally forces anything above a certain size to accommodate race communism or get sued and regulated into oblivion by the strongest government on Earth, which has resulted in every university becoming a progressive madrasa and every hedge fund explicitly mandated to fund race communist crap, which is why we have George Floyd In Japan Simulator under the AC label and why a game about medieval Europe was mandated by shareholders to include a sodomy side quest and an unkillable smug African.
If you're wondering why so many people don't give a flying fig about being called racist anymore it's because there has been a general realization online, despite a literal mountain of government-mandated censorship, that this arrangement kinda sucks.
Race communism? Hahahaha. I knew this wouldnât disappoint
Bro, black people could literally not exist and your life would be shit and you would still be ass mad. And you prob will die that wayâŠbut thank you for the entertaining read hahah.
If you are mad at black people being represented in America, blame the lazy white Europeans who brought many of them here to begin withâŠ
DEI because at this point thatâs just code to say âno brown or black peoples in my mediaâ
It's not and that's why it wasn't an issue for Barrett from FF7 or CJ from GTA or Jacob from ME2 or Pharah from Overwatch or any number of other black or brown characters in games since games existed.
Nothing about this screams woke or DEI,
Except the part where "black or brown" characters are a major focus in games which were marketed as being historically "authentic", which took place in areas like medieval Europe (or feudal Japan for that matter). If that doesn't scream DEI nothing does.
No, once againâŠDEI isnât âbrown or black person in a game I donât likeâ
Correct, it's just also not "black or brown person in game"
Because if it was, you would have this same energy for the biggest benefactors of DEIâŠwhite woman. But you donâtâŠ
It's fine if you aren't really plugged into this discourse, we understand, but don't make accusations like this without that knowledge, it makes you look foolish. The reaction to Ciri taking over the Witcher franchise was very similar.
I did see a bit of that but that game hasnât come out yet, If Iâm not mistaken.and Iâm sure most games will check it out who are fans at least because I donât think most gamers harborâŠletâs say the more radical views of this sub.
I could always be proven wrong but that feed more into my point, a loud minority screaming because the donât feel catered too 1000% of the timeâŠthey are only catered too 950% of the time thatâs simply a bridge too far
I could always be proven wrong but that feed more into my point
What even is your point? First it was "you guys don't care about when it happens with white women" now its "okay you guys do care about when it happens with white women and its a radical view"
It's not really an issue of being catered to either, there are thousands of games that were never going to appeal to me anyway, which is already more than the ones that do. It has always been that way. What warrants the scorn is the DEI policies. Which people from all backgrounds have criticized by the way despite it ostensibly being an attempt to pander to specific identities.
This idiot hasn't even played the game beyond the wedding yet, which is where all the DEI bullshit finally comes into play. That's how this game played the world, it hid the DEI after at least 2 hours of gameplay, and that's if you rush.
Once you finish the wedding it all opens up and you see the DEI as bright as day.
The "E" in DEI means "equity" which is contrasted with "equality." Supporting DEI and claiming that it's opponent's are just opposed to black people makes you racist.
There was also the completely out of place african guy freely lecturing on the superiority of their civilization vs western's, in 1403 Bohemia, which was pure DEI crap. The game somehow managed to save itself from the massacre that hit all the other DEI injected videogames in the same timeframe, maybe because of the goodwill gathered with the first game that ironicaly was based and even suffered attacks because of that. They may not be always as lucky if they keep pushing this in their next games, but as for KCD2, yeah.. unfortunately they are right, the agenda pushing didin't have a big negative impact.
yeah.. unfortunately they are right, the agenda pushing didin't have a big negative impact.
It's because they tried their damndest to hide it before launch. We all saw how much dragon age crashed cause they touted about it constantly and they wanted this game to make money, so they hid the fact the DEI nonsense was in there till launch when all the lying vavra did just couldn't keep up with the leaks, but by then it was too late. The leaks came out like 5 or 6 days before release and just weren't enough to sway a large enough crowd. DA freely told everyone of the DEI bullshit injected into the series years in advance, so people were ready for a shit game.
Also doesn't help that failgaurd was actually a shit game gameplay wise, where KCD2 was just the first game with a tad extra added.
The leaks came out like 5 or 6 days before release and just weren't enough to sway a large enough crowd
They completely killed its narrative momentum though; that's something. Without them, Team Chud would have had a TON of egg on their faces as they realized they were glazing Musa. The leaks gave them time to disengage before it was too late.
Anyone who has played the series knows itâs a pretty inclusive franchise.
inclusive within reason. Even Inquisition, which had a bunch of woke cringe content, remained fairly tolerable overall. Failguard cranked the insufferable woke messaging factor x10, in a series that frankly, didn't need any more progressive virtue signaling than it already had. And that absolutely was the biggest reason it failed.
T for totalitarian, cause wow they sure got a iron grip hold on all social media's collective balls. Never seen any group rise up so quickly and become such a protected class like them before.
What youâre seeing is the result of an unstoppable force (postmodernism) meeting an immovable object (biological reality).
Very very broadly speaking, each wave of feminism has corresponded to peeling off a layer of sex discrimination. First wave feminism dealt with policy, this was relatively easy because policy is the simplest to change. Second wave feminism shifted its focus to culture, this was harder but largely achieved its goal in realizing a world (or country) where people considered men and women equal in society. Third wave feminism focused on biology, and unfortunately, no matter how hard they tried, they couldnât penetrate this bedrock layer of sexual dimorphism. âGender identityâ was one attempt at efface biological sex and replace it with a cultural construct, but people werenât convinced because they could plainly see biological differences with their own two eyes.
The problem is that the game frames Musa as if he's right. He's an unambiguos good guy, a humble doctor who gets falsly persecuted and almost killed by the evil and barbaric Europeans.
I havenât encounter this person yet. I wanna ask but I donât want spoilers. Who knows, I may agree with you. I have to play the mission and get the context.
If the context is you need something from character A and pissing him off goes against that, it may make sense.
Again, I just finished the wedding so I donât want spoilers please
In the most spoiler free way I can describe, you are placed in a situation in which Musa needs your help to not die.
If you help him, he is very ungrateful and basically curses you out for being a white devil. You are then required to help him with something else; it's not optional.
If you do not help him, you get a game over and are told to go back and pick the other option.
And they had several -50% Off Sales across platforms. All in the year of release.
My gut says they probably know they somewhat screwed up internally, and only have a limited time to make as much money as they can off of it, since long-term appeal and long tail Sales are gone along with their reputation.
Games that are good and still successful, don't need to go on sale. Nintendo rarely ever puts their games on sale and they've made some of the best selling games in the last decade. Because they don't devalue their products with regular releases and they generally always deliver quality gaming experiences. Obviously not every game is for everyone's tastes but still.
It probably didn't impact reception much unfortunately.Â
It did, but not much.
In terms of sales they lost some $$ (I was going to buy day 1 before leaks), but they're getting it back from different investors. (the ones that forced them to introduce all the DEI elements)
Idk. Outside of the horse shit where he throws you off sometimes even if being chased (not super common but still annoying) itâs a solid rpg experience.
This constant need to âfight the wokeâ seems silly and forced at this point
There was a massive campaign by the 'modern crowd' to take over all social media spaces related to the game and tout about how great it was to save it.
The KCD sub was completely taken over a couple weeks before games release by embracer group employees and the game gets glazed like crazy there since.
The same thing has slowly been happening to the witcher sub since season 2 of the show as well, and since W4 was announced it's even worse over there. The crowd that hated CDPR for killing the lore to make witcher ciri a reality was pushed out and banned from the sub, now it's just eternal glazing for the ruining of the franchise.
That game too will come out and first 2 hours will be normal, then just like KCD2 all the DEI elements will rear their ugly heads afterwards and once sales numbers are hit, the devs will talk about DEI greatness nonstop on social media.
That shit even hit us here. I haven't forgotten how the mods placed all discussion about KCD2 into a megathread that had comments forced into random so we couldn't even see new developments.
Yup, that's how you can tell someone, something or a product is pozzed as fuck, the admins force subs to behave like that.
It's embracer group though. We know they know how to play the game so they're huge into spending money to get their way, which coercing social media is a major part of their business plan.
Online bubbles thinking their tantrum is more important than it actually is. The funny bit is they'll cheer when Hogwarts Legacy sells well because "Fuck you progressives, we won!" and then be mad when KCD2 sells well because "boo, the chuds betrayed the chud code!". Stupidity all around.
At the end of the day, sales are king and people decided that this wasn't an issue unlike Veilguard, AC: Shadows, Star Wars Outlaws and other failed over the top DEI shit.
If we were to listen to this sub, E33 is a shit game that's just DEISlop anyway, so take what you read here with a planet sized grain of salt.
KCD1 was my favorite game of all time. This betrayal is by far the biggest m disappointment in gaming for me ever. But I donât have any illusions. They now have the mainstream crowd an the former fans donât matter anymore. Everyone knows it sold well. It was the final nail in the coffin for me. Havenât bought a game since.
âHavenât bought a game sinceâ has to be the most Reddit thing ever. Dude, games and companies arenât a personality, get over yourself. You bought a game you didnât enjoy, itâs not the end of the world.
How is that Reddit? Iâve long gotten over myself. Iâm thankfully not a video game addict. Iâve never pretended games and companies are personalities? I was one of the original Kickstarter backers of the first game. Very active in the community, talking to the devs (who back then still agreed with me) etc. It was one of a very few pieces of modern media that didnât subvert a european historical setting. I have no optimism left for this industry or modern entertainment so I donât support it anymore. The typical Redditor is the opposite btw. Itâs the Reddit crowd that is being catered to.
Behaving in a way to score karma on reddit at the detriment of your enjoyment.
I was one of the original Kickstarter backers of the first game. Very active in the community, talking to the devs (who back then still agreed with me) etc. It was one of a very few pieces of modern media that didnât subvert a european historical setting. I have no optimism left for this industry or modern entertainment so I donât support it anymore.
I have been gaming for 40 years. Have seen great games get bad sequels more times than I can count.
I never "kickstarted" anything nor did I ever let a franchise dying out impact my enjoyment of the medium.
Has nothing to do with addiction, everything to do with having a healthy outlook on things. Sounds like you went deep, made KCD your "main game", it became part of your personality (reddit behavior) and now you're crashing.
The point is not to get invested in things personally. They're just games, mindless hours of fun for entertainment purposes. If one suck, another will be good and that's that.
The typical Redditor is the opposite btw.
I'm talking behaviors, not viewpoints. You're behaving like a redditor. In too deep, crash out after a high.
These things wouldn't matter if the game offered a choice. Don't like Musa? Kill him. Don't like the Jewish quest line? Pick another side. The gay stuff is the only pozzed inclusion that can be avoided.
People don't hate wokeness, they hate that it takes away any other option. Like, for example, I would never get angry at breasts removal scars or dick physics in a character editor if, in exchange, it provided me with huge breasts/ass and jiggle physics. Same with body types.
I take offense when developers erase what I like. I will never stay silent or give my money to developers like that. I will actively oppose them at every opportunity.
People often dislike elements in fictional media for irrational reasons, such as those who hate anime, religion, or fan service on principle. To reject something purely because it exists in a fictional work is regarded - on the important condition that it doesn't detract from your own experience.
Gamers, as an audience, are no longer a monolith. If you want to see more great games made, you need to learn to compromise. You will never eliminate every element you dislike in media, because if you campaign against what others enjoy, they may then turn against what you like. It becomes an endless, meaningless cycle of hostility that is counterproductive in an interactive medium - one that can satisfy everyone simultaneously through a simple settings toggle or a dialogue choice.
Games, especially role-playing games, can be both progressive and based at the same time. Imagine a game that features pride parades, making progressive players happy, while also letting you drive a Ford F-150 Raptor with a reinforced bullbar. I think the point is clear.
I explained why. Replacing what others like with whatever you like will lead to the others doing the same to you out of spite (you're literally doing the same, you should be able to extrapolate from here).
How long are you going to keep exchanging blows before you realize that it leads nowhere and you're not part of a majority you're imagining? Normies are the majority; you will never win them over for good.
For game developers, your and my needs are a low priority. We will only be catered to until there is another change of power in the US. Why settle for a temporary solution when we can solve the problem permanently?
I'm just afraid that the incessant warfare and constant escalation of rhetoric will lead developers to sanitize their games so thoroughly that they won't offend anyone, but also won't appeal to anyone except the most lobotomized normie consumer. This will likely cause irreversible damage to video games, especially AAA.
Again, it did not leave nowhere for my enemies. It led straight to victory.
Until everything started rolling back.
And they don't matter; win and they'll follow you.
For a short time, while conservatives are on the rise.
The next 30 years you will spend going back and forth until everything is sanitized and appeals to neither faction, the ultimate slop. Big brain strategy đ
If you want to see more great games made, you need to learn to compromise.Â
Do you know what target audiences are?
can be both progressive and based at the same time. Imagine a game that features pride parades, making progressive players happy, while also letting you drive a Ford F-150 Raptor with a reinforced bullbar. I think the point is clear.
How about the pride parades be kept in games specifically targeted towards them and the ford be in a game made for me.
Not every world view mixes well, you really think companies haven't been trying to please both sides for all these years?
You can't make everyone happy, so make your fans happy.
These things wouldn't matter if the game offered a choice. Don't like Musa? Kill him. Don't like the Jewish quest line? Pick another side. The gay stuff is the only pozzed inclusion that can be avoided.
Oh man the leaks on musa and vavra lying his ass off, first saying he wasn't in the game then as more leaks came out slowly changing the story.
Loved it when the full leak finally came out like a day before release that musa was not only in the game, he was a main character in the story, to the point that if you failed to defend him in court, it was game over. He's also a protected NPC and impossible to kill. So much for RPG choices.
I didn't like musa cause he's black, I couldn't care less about that. I didn't like musa because he was a fake character shoehorned into the game, made a main character you had zero choice around, and he rubbed islam in your face and shit on christains, in a VERY christain game.
Same shit with putting a jewish synagog in medieval Prague, where it never even existed, was just a further slap to the face; also you gotta defend it from a mob of 'evil christains' in a mission and if you fail that, also game over.
Yea fuck vavra, everything is his fault. Greedy bastard sold his company to the devil (Embracer Group) and sold out the whole company and all it's IP to be ruined forever, least till embracer collapses, which right now it's nothing but shocking they're still in business when all I hear is stories about them hemorrhaging money and barely staying afloat. It's like they got Epic money or something to play with and wont go broke no matter what...
But KlĂma has a hunch, and his opinion is that, for all the sound and fury, KCD's controversies probably didn't affect the games all that much.
"My personal take on this is that this whole kerfuffle only mattered to, really, a handful of terminally online culture warriors, and that they are basically an insignificant intersection with the gaming public writ large, and the real players really don't care about it at all, and probably most of them never really even heard about these pseudo-controversies."
"probably most of them never really even heard about these pseudo-controversies"
I would argue that these players, who didn't know the controversies before playing KCD2, will have been disappointed while playing it, and might not purchase KCD3. Sometimes the effect is delayed.
Reminds me a bit on how shows like Kitchen Nightmares, the owners are baffled whenever Gordon Ramsay complains about the food because "We never have heard anything bad about it!" That's because when someone has a mediocre meal dining out, 95% of the time they don't say anything and just go to another restaurant next time.
And yet, adding this garbage didn't help their game get any awards. In addition, sales of the KCD 2 have slowed down a lot. So they lost from all possible sides.
You never feel the consequences of your action until the product AFTER. KCD2 was barely affected, KCD3 will flounder because of his betrayal. And he knows that, if it didnât matter then he wouldnât ever bring it up and he wouldâve already forgotten about it.
People mostly don't complain because aside from the metric fuckton of pandering you forced in, the game itself was so damn mediocre and forgettable that even those "terminally online culture warriors" couldn't muster up the emotional energy to keep caring.
I was a huge fan of kcd and the controversy was enough to turn me from a happy day 1 buyer to getting it 50% off. Now that I'm 10 hours in, I regret buying it at all. It's not just the hans gay stuff. It's the Roma being portrayed as harmless and their witchcraft acceptable to Henry, and there's a lady who was run out of town and her daughter that are victims, and town criers shouting garbage that invites anti-christian and anti-western criticism, and mansa musa, and...
The list is so long. Pagan/witch/woman/black/non-western/Roma=good and Christian/white/male/urban=bad. It's tiresome and constant and Henry has very little agency when it comes to approaching those situations and ideas with anything more than casual acceptance of things a medieval bohemian would have found shocking.
This game was one of the reasons I unsubbed to more than a couple of YouTube channels. I was quite disappointed at their hypocrisy regarding this game.
Musa saving Henry was so forced my entire body cringed.
moments like this really soured the experience in an otherwise good game, what a shame man đ
I didn't even finish KCD2 despite the original being one of my favorite games ever, so. I would say it severely harmed the reception.
and I'm someone who, for example, liked Dead Rising Remastered and liked Silent Hill 2, even with all their changes. so I'm not as far along the pipeline as most people are, here.
for what its worth though. a lot of people were not sure that it was going to be a problem. a LOT of sales for KCD2 were based on goodwill from the first game. now that he's tanked all of that good will, I think his well is dry.
This game and the controversy around it really opened my eyes to how little affect no-no miles have on things. Even with the massive DEI influence and Vavra stabbing people in the back and bragging about it, it still sold well and supposed "anti-woke" influencers eagerly supported it.
It's sad to have a person in the industry with the means, the knowledge, the money and the will to create something different and totally NOT WOKE, and still see him convert to them in the most idiotic, hypocritical, pussy way. It's sad and terrifying, how money can buy a simple man.
That said, we have the means too and the knowledge to grab his work and "better" it. Mods. There are a shit ton of mods that improve the game, regarding the message, mechanics, general QoL etc. god save the non woke modders.
The snuck-in stuff sucks but the rest of the game was so high quality I just had to look past it, which wasnât hard because of how little there is of it. This is no Veilguard.
I like how everyone defending it are either saying that "it was only an optiom chill" (ruining immersion btw) ans the other part iss aying "its historically accurate because there were always gay men" which is completely devoid of logic. So because there were gay men in the past that means that it has to apply to two best friends who both happen to be christian in a country where being homosexual was very rare especially at that time? It makes zero sense to romance them anyways, the only people who say that the romance makes sense are the terminally online who never had a real life best friend so they think that every close relatio ship must be gay.
Lots of people say that KCD3 will feel the betrayal, but the hard to swallow pill is that it likely won't.
KCD2 had more than double, pretty much 2.5x the players of KCD1 at its peak on Steam alone, the vast majority of which being normies who didn't care about what happened or won't even notice or question anything in the game and they really enjoyed it.
It might really be true that the people who care are in the minority here. KCD3 will be a success as well and as long as they are able to restrain themselves with the woke elements it will continue to fly under most people's radar and KCD4 will also be a success.
Edit: You can downvote me all you want, but not one of you is even trying to argue I'm wrong. Or has this place become an echo-chamber that can't handle a sober take?
the game even had 80k player count last month almost a year after release...and i will repeat the hans romance is optional and if you pursue and get caught you will get the medieval treatment,musa is an actual foreigner of nobility unlike yasuke yes he is dick so is hans the point of him is he learns to be humble.the jewish sidequest also proves this isnt selling out cause a dei game wouldnt have the jews be potrayed as backstabbing con men.there are many female romances in the game one of the big ones is a bif titty milf already proving that the game is not woke at all.the game still potrays christianity the same as it was in 1403 many people say jesus christ be praised.congrats you guys threw away the one guy who was successfull for the industry for jon wife beater del lucario porn arroz and the scam artist and dead child exploiter grummz
Please do not make posts and comments which are clearly not intended to generate discussion, but rather aimed at generating or maximizing as much drama and emotion as possible.
Yall know nobody forces you to do the gay romance and itâs clearly outline the points to do it.
Anyone made at this just hates gay people because they canât separate someone being gay wit thoughts of them fuckingâŠwhich is a massive self report.
The gay shit, the synagogue that didn't exist (you even get called goy to your face), the african muslim lecturing us on how much more enlightened and better towards women they are all jump to mind when I think about this dogshit game.
Just imagine the reverse. Would be illegal in most of europe
You get called goy to your face? The absolute horror! You wouldnt make it through thirty seconds of being indian online
Probably has more to do with you acting like an insufferable blowhard but ok.
it is a paid game; if I paid $60 for an Indian video game and some motherfucker in it called me a bhenchod I'd refund that shit immediately
I wouldn't survive thirty seconds of being Indian in real life either.
True hahahahaha
Vavra sold out the Original fans in order to get some "industry recognition" and hoped to get tongue-bathed by "Games Journalists", and was completely snubbed by both the Game Awards and players voting in the Steam Awards.
Nobody is even talking about Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 anymore, other than in the context that they turned their main characters gay and put weird Virtue Signalling into it like Musa - which is both what their game/franchise will be known for in the future, and what their fan base is now. Even PCGamer and its Activist staff is only interested in that, and chose to ask and publish an article about that aspect instead of anything else about the game.
Even GLAAD chose to ignore them in favor of Shadows and Hades II.
They still have a shot at the much coveted Gayming Awards where Dragon Age: Veilguard swept last year: https://archive.is/8pagG
At least he has a new hobby, posting homosexual fan art of his two lead characters shipped on Social media:
https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/2001392720250626377
https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/2000929809212596635
https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/2000273727125070066
We'll see how it impacted Sales once the dust settles. I somehow doubt it will ever break 10 million copies sold like the first game, it's not viewed as a "hidden gem" anymore and the studio has ruined their reputation. And we'll see the reception once they publish another game.
Wow, didn't realize vavra was STILL pushing that nonsense even after all this time.
Yea, embracer group got him by the balls and must be punishing him for the first game with all this humiliation rituals he's done since 2 was launching.
I know the woke crowd hated him with the first game and as much as they love to punish people, none of this would be surprising to learn.
I knew he was a sold out, but let me echo you: wow. I really didn't expect that. He isn't even trying to pretend it's just a minor stuff anymore.
Oh he lied his ass off before the game came out, and once it did release, he was full steam ahead with the DEI nonsense.
It's incredibly obvious Embracer Group told him to do it too or lose his job. I mean he sold his company to the devil, what did he expect...
I, for one, didn't buy the second game and do not intend to buy any games by Vavra.
Me too. I also sent an email explaining why they lost me as a fan. I don't even care if nobody read it. I know the grain of sand still contributes to fixing our culture.
Yep, this is pretty much an instant life ban for me as well. I have little time to play games these days and refuse to spend it on anything approaching wokeslop. Would rather buy some $5 indie game that's actually fun.
I did buy it and refunded it after the first hour or so. It was "modern" audience approved from the get go. The dialog is far inferior to the first game.
This was the biggest blackpill moment fr. You can be the most accomplished and influential creative in the world but it doesn't matter. You might still get blacklisted from casting agencies, performance capture facilities, award shows, voice acting guilds, lose your publisher, slapped with bogus allegations (see Chris Avellone, Alex Afriasiabi, Alec Holowka, Ashraf Ismail, etc etc). Above a certain project size, you literally cannot do woke-free entertainment in the west anymore.
This only matters if you bought the first game. It's easy to boycott something when you had no intention of playing it to begin with, like with hogwarts legacy and countless other games.
I'm not saying you didn't, just that with this context alone it could be looked at the same way.
I did buy and played the first game and one of its DLCs. It left such a great impression on me and left me in a weird I-can't-believe-I-got-to-play-and-live-in-this-world feeling. I even applied to their studio as a dev (I'm not a game dev, just a just a regular software dev). That's how much the game meant to me. And that's why the betrayal hurt more because I really wanted to play the second game.
So I assure you, this matters very much to me. đ
We are in a similar boat then. KCD1 was my favorite game. I was very active in the discord (maybe we interacted?) and one of their biggest fans. I just wish the story of the 2nd game wasnât a continuation. Now the first game is kind of ruined for me as well story wise (knowing that Hans would like to fuck Henry etc). Of course none of that was in the first game and itâs very obvious when you play it that this was not what they had in mind originally.
after seeing that X post i'm never getting it i kept seeing people saying its NOT WOKE and an option you can pass, but the way he's double downing and antagonizing like that for no real win gain, affirms me saving money. lol
Yeah the way he was acting like a dickhead didn't allow me to give him any benefit of the doubt back then. Like, if you were coerced into doing, that's one thing. But to actively antagonize your first game's fans? Yeah, that's all on you.
"At least he has a new hobby, posting homosexual fan art of his two lead characters shipped on Social media:
https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/2001392720250626377
https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/2000929809212596635
https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/2000273727125070066"
At this point he is a confirmed closeted. Ain't no way a straight dude would do that even to virtue signal.
Look at some of his comments, too...
:"Grummz jerks off to my success, lelelel!"
Bro's literally gone all in on his "White straight men don't belong in gayming" arc. Oh well. Hope he enjoys all the inevitable irrelevancy he is fated to one day have. đ€·
Does that guy even exist in any context aside from people raging about him?
Literally every time I hear about him it's because he posted some vague shit like "stand up for gamers, the most oppressed minority âđđź" and the entire industry is collectively losing their shit at him, but, like, I genuinely never hear about anything else he's doing, and yet all these people act like he's Hitler or something.
I stopped hearing about him the second I stopped using Twitter.
At this point everyone collectively hates him because he has demonstrated that he is in fact, nothing more than a clout chasing grifter.
Wonder if he started to date a liberal women between the games :)
Kingdom Cum in guys
I got it for free on Amazon Luna and yet I refuse to even click on the icon
Didn't buy this shit game, and will never buy it
And this was one of the games that i was most hyped about last year, too bad it went full woke
I pirated it and got mods to fix the stupid shit. Makes it more bareble but yea, it's still a shame. They'll never get my money though.
It mattered to fans who wanted an authentic world the devs promised. But yeah great way to talk to your fans.
Just bought a copy of both KCD1 and KCD2 in your honor đ„°
Did you run that by your carer? Are they okey with you spending all your allowance like that? Will you have enough left over for your monthly supply of adult diapers?
He's talking about you dumbasses.
Yeah gotta be a real dumbass to expect a dev to stick to their original promise of period authenticity and not give into modern day DEI slop forced by Embracer.
More like the dumbasses who rage about a game having a gay or black character. There's plenty of unauthentic things in the first one, and if we are being honest we both know that you and the rest of this festering sub would be complaining if they had made a futuristic game and included a gay character. You in fact do it all the time already. You aren't principled in the slightest, you don't care about authenticity, it's a lie you tell others so you can pretend you have morals, which you don't.
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I guess we'll see when KCD 3 comes out. A lot of people bought KCD 2 on good will. That's been used up and thrown back at them.
They're just going to do the same gameplan as they did with KCD2; don't talk publicly about the injected DEI elements and when the leaks inevitably come out, lie their asses off as much as possible till launch day hits and sales come in.
Once they hit break-even status, full on embrace of DEI comes out.
That's the game now from what I've seen since Failguard crashed and burned so epically; don't mention the DEI, let game release then once it's sold, nonstop tout about it and how great it is while simultaneously sticking it to the 'chuds' about how 'go woke go broke' isn't real.
Yea sure it isn't real, thats why Vavra had to lie his ass off about musa when the leaks were coming out like crazy, and then once we had the game we learned the horrible truth about how awful of a character he is and how the player is forced to protect him from the 'evil christains' or it's game over.
The normies bought into it so theyâll be fine. Just like CDPR will be fine. Selling out did work out for them unfortunately.
You know kcd2 famboys are actually just tourists when you point out that in kcd1 Henry has a canon relationship with Bianca, a WOMAN. and she's not even crossdressing!
And then they literally retort with "it's perfectly normal to change your sexuality and be gay"Â
 No buddy, I ain't sucking dick after my gf gets slaughtered by Cumans^
And there's also the screen shots from Vavra way back, when it literally said Henry was straight and this game won't be filled with DEI.  But ofc, the Woketards also ignore this as well.Â
The narrative that's being pushed to explain the changes falls apart for one simple reason - KCD2 picks up right after the events of the first game, there are no time gaps between the games. So Henry can't suddenly transition from 100% hetero and having a manly friendship without subtexts with Capon to suddenly becoming bi and engaged in a gay romance with him.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the studio made some changes to Henry if they'll even want to release a remaster of KCD1. They are that compromised now.
No one on the planet has ever been bi or ever had relationships with both genders.
Anti gay preachers and politicians that checked the "I'm straight and married to woman" box never got caught having gay sex/relationships on the down low. Nope. NEVER HAPPENED.
People who have had relationships with the same sex have never went back to the opposition gender and vice versa. It's NEVER HAPPENED.
Continue clutching your pearlsÂ
You are insane
At this point I think Vavra is more pathetic than Neil Cuckmann
Oh yeah, almost completely ruining the best bros dynamic between Henry and Hans âprobablyâ didnât impact the games at all
People bought the 2nd game because they enjoyed the 1st game. The blowback always happens for the NEXT thing that they make. I imagine a lot of people are going to be a lot more critical of whatever they do next.
The Inquisition to Veilguard effect
That implies Dragon Age: Inquisition was good. It wasn't...
Hans was practically irrelevant in the first game. You didn't have to hang out with him at the bathhouse or do the DLC quest, so after the hunting incident he disappears until the siege. People really overstate how much their bond mattered in the first game.
I didnât say he was there the whole game, I said I felt like the bond they were forming could be romance and make sense.
She chick at the mills place that I did romance wasnât with me the whole game but nobody has issues with thatâŠ
It didnât ruin anything from my playthrough. I didnât see any gay stuff⊠what are they talking about?
Your individual playthrough isn't the same thing as the game's reception.
But the reception was fine. It had great reviews and sold great
You are excluding the key word: impact.
As someone playing it now, itâs a fun game. These people obsessed with gay people not being in an rpg needs to STFU and go make their own game if they feel so strongly.
Itâs much to do about nothing
If you skip the sex parts of gay porn you're still watching gay porn.
Is The Last of Us 2 actually great if I just ignore all the bad parts?
Ok, thenâŠdonât pursue the romance. Do you have the same feelings with women NPC romance options?
Idk if anyone watching a game sex scene should be getting turned on anyways, I always find them funny.
So if you donât wanna see the gay oneâŠ.dont follow the path?
Itâs like that skit where two rural dudes pretend the liberals forced them to get married, adopt a foreign kid to put in private school, recycle and eat right lol.
Like you guys arenât forced, but your outrage is pretending you are
No, because women getting it on with guys is hot and childhood friends engaging in licking and sodomy is fucking weird and gross.
Some Gamers are just never getting laid huh lol
Brother, itâs a video game. I need you to reframe yourself to reality. Nobody should be getting their rocks off from game characters fucking. As I recall, you donât see anyone have actual sex so you enter rant is just a self report that you think about gay sex.
There are multiple homosexual characters including other romance options besides Hans. Aside from Hans's sexuality retcon, there isn't even necessarily a problem with that by itself. The huge issue is that after the extreme care for historic authenticity and verisimilitude of the first game, in the sequel no one reacts to homosexuality in any way approaching how someone would in 1403. When it comes to sodomites, jews, Muslims, and all foreigners these medieval Bohemians all have the social politics of 2020s Seattle.
If it was portraying something that you find morally reprehensible and don't want in your media, none of your arguments would be convincing to you. I presume you would object to child abuse or pedophilia sex scenes being included in a game, even if you could choose an option to avoid them. The "you can just choose a different path" argument is unconvincing in both situations.
There are two moments in the main story where your dialogue options are something along the lines of "sure buddy" and "I love you Herr Hans". This is the only romance option you are presented if you only play through the main story.
It has ruined KCD for me and KCD1 was my favorite game of all time. The whole fandom is unbearable now as well. Dominated by the rainbow activist crowd. Guys canât be friends anymore.
This to my understanding is true. So the outrage all seems like bs from guys online who canât are insecure around gay people and thus turn their brains off and hate rages on
Please keep in mind that a sizable portion of the US and most of the eastern world find gays repulsive. Whether you think it is pathetic, bigoted or whatever is irrelevant. Not everyone wants to turn their brain off when playing video games.
Because to see it you have to follow the convo path with Hans. Itâs never forced upon you at all
Never saw any of that either during my playthrough, was honestly shocked when I found out about it online. Went all in on Katherine and bantered alot with Hans so I probably just missed the dialogue options for the gay stuff.
Isnât Katherine in the first game? Iâm trying to figure out who all my romance options are without looking anything up lol
Who forced you to even follow the gay story line? Iâm so curious whatâs wrong with yall
Ok, you want a simple answer? Here ya go:
People hate it cause it was shoe-horned in when the first game was focusing fully on historical accuracy. When the second game just came in and added this 'extra' crap no one wanted or asked for just to get diversity points, that's what pissed people off.
If he was gay in the first game I doubt the reaction would be as bad, but everything added then coupled with all the lying vavra did when caught before the game released is what pissed people off.
And possibly the biggest of all that will always piss people off, going against historical accuracy for the sake of DEI, or honestly any agenda.
People hate it when you stomp on historical accuracy when you're setting it all in actual historical times.
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Hey, if that's the definition you wanna use, I'll use it. Seems a bit harsh, but OK.
Nobody is forcing you to accept it, the fact that you do speaks volumes and affirms everything I said.
Which is that how you feel, thatâs fine. But donât think itâs harsh when you wanna race sanitized media thatâs suppose to be for the consumers not just the white consumers. Because whatâs âharshâ is seeking to force entire segments of society into a coiner to make people like you âfeelâ better about your lot in life.
But as 2025 has shown, racism is a very experience policy preference for seek uphold.
Please go with the grace of Jesus Christ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
Iâm gonna let you explain why the civil rights act is making you play the gay optional storyline in a video game in 2026.
This should be a funny read lol
Mind your own words please, and thank you.
The CRA literally forces anything above a certain size to accommodate race communism or get sued and regulated into oblivion by the strongest government on Earth, which has resulted in every university becoming a progressive madrasa and every hedge fund explicitly mandated to fund race communist crap, which is why we have George Floyd In Japan Simulator under the AC label and why a game about medieval Europe was mandated by shareholders to include a sodomy side quest and an unkillable smug African.
If you're wondering why so many people don't give a flying fig about being called racist anymore it's because there has been a general realization online, despite a literal mountain of government-mandated censorship, that this arrangement kinda sucks.
Race communism? Hahahaha. I knew this wouldnât disappoint
Bro, black people could literally not exist and your life would be shit and you would still be ass mad. And you prob will die that wayâŠbut thank you for the entertaining read hahah.
If you are mad at black people being represented in America, blame the lazy white Europeans who brought many of them here to begin withâŠ
It's not and that's why it wasn't an issue for Barrett from FF7 or CJ from GTA or Jacob from ME2 or Pharah from Overwatch or any number of other black or brown characters in games since games existed.
Except the part where "black or brown" characters are a major focus in games which were marketed as being historically "authentic", which took place in areas like medieval Europe (or feudal Japan for that matter). If that doesn't scream DEI nothing does.
No, once againâŠDEI isnât âbrown or black person in a game I donât likeâ
Because if it was, you would have this same energy for the biggest benefactors of DEIâŠwhite woman.
But you donâtâŠ
So itâs quite easy to dismissâŠletâs say this basket of deplorables logic
Correct, it's just also not "black or brown person in game"
It's fine if you aren't really plugged into this discourse, we understand, but don't make accusations like this without that knowledge, it makes you look foolish. The reaction to Ciri taking over the Witcher franchise was very similar.
I did see a bit of that but that game hasnât come out yet, If Iâm not mistaken.and Iâm sure most games will check it out who are fans at least because I donât think most gamers harborâŠletâs say the more radical views of this sub.
I could always be proven wrong but that feed more into my point, a loud minority screaming because the donât feel catered too 1000% of the timeâŠthey are only catered too 950% of the time thatâs simply a bridge too far
What even is your point? First it was "you guys don't care about when it happens with white women" now its "okay you guys do care about when it happens with white women and its a radical view"
It's not really an issue of being catered to either, there are thousands of games that were never going to appeal to me anyway, which is already more than the ones that do. It has always been that way. What warrants the scorn is the DEI policies. Which people from all backgrounds have criticized by the way despite it ostensibly being an attempt to pander to specific identities.
This idiot hasn't even played the game beyond the wedding yet, which is where all the DEI bullshit finally comes into play. That's how this game played the world, it hid the DEI after at least 2 hours of gameplay, and that's if you rush.
Once you finish the wedding it all opens up and you see the DEI as bright as day.
The "E" in DEI means "equity" which is contrasted with "equality." Supporting DEI and claiming that it's opponent's are just opposed to black people makes you racist.
The problem you fail to grasp is I donât concede that every time you see a black perosn in media and donât like it, thatâs DEI.
I reject that framing.
Feel free to to spin your wheels as much as you want, it doesnât move me at all.
If thatâs your view of the world, then more power to you.
Iâm not going to validate that view with any care or concern.
Because the constant rage about DEI =black Persian is funny as fuck when the chief beneficial party of DEI programs were white woman lol.
But pop off king and I wish you a wonderful weekend
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There was also the completely out of place african guy freely lecturing on the superiority of their civilization vs western's, in 1403 Bohemia, which was pure DEI crap. The game somehow managed to save itself from the massacre that hit all the other DEI injected videogames in the same timeframe, maybe because of the goodwill gathered with the first game that ironicaly was based and even suffered attacks because of that. They may not be always as lucky if they keep pushing this in their next games, but as for KCD2, yeah.. unfortunately they are right, the agenda pushing didin't have a big negative impact.
It's because they tried their damndest to hide it before launch. We all saw how much dragon age crashed cause they touted about it constantly and they wanted this game to make money, so they hid the fact the DEI nonsense was in there till launch when all the lying vavra did just couldn't keep up with the leaks, but by then it was too late. The leaks came out like 5 or 6 days before release and just weren't enough to sway a large enough crowd. DA freely told everyone of the DEI bullshit injected into the series years in advance, so people were ready for a shit game.
Also doesn't help that failgaurd was actually a shit game gameplay wise, where KCD2 was just the first game with a tad extra added.
They completely killed its narrative momentum though; that's something. Without them, Team Chud would have had a TON of egg on their faces as they realized they were glazing Musa. The leaks gave them time to disengage before it was too late.
Dragon age didnât fail because DEI and LGBT people.
Anyone who has played the series knows itâs a pretty inclusive franchise.
It failed because they tried to turn a live service project into a single player that had ass story telling.
I say this as someone who played the Veil guard and was so heart brokenâŠI couldnât even bring myself to finish and refunded asap.
I didnât even make it to any of the viral scenes that pissed off the online gamer right.
inclusive within reason. Even Inquisition, which had a bunch of woke cringe content, remained fairly tolerable overall. Failguard cranked the insufferable woke messaging factor x10, in a series that frankly, didn't need any more progressive virtue signaling than it already had. And that absolutely was the biggest reason it failed.
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gotta remove the no no word, sorry
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You aren't allowed to mention the "T" in LGBTQ+ here. Reddit admins' rule, not ours.
T for totalitarian, cause wow they sure got a iron grip hold on all social media's collective balls. Never seen any group rise up so quickly and become such a protected class like them before.
What youâre seeing is the result of an unstoppable force (postmodernism) meeting an immovable object (biological reality).
Very very broadly speaking, each wave of feminism has corresponded to peeling off a layer of sex discrimination. First wave feminism dealt with policy, this was relatively easy because policy is the simplest to change. Second wave feminism shifted its focus to culture, this was harder but largely achieved its goal in realizing a world (or country) where people considered men and women equal in society. Third wave feminism focused on biology, and unfortunately, no matter how hard they tried, they couldnât penetrate this bedrock layer of sexual dimorphism. âGender identityâ was one attempt at efface biological sex and replace it with a cultural construct, but people werenât convinced because they could plainly see biological differences with their own two eyes.
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The problem is that the game frames Musa as if he's right. He's an unambiguos good guy, a humble doctor who gets falsly persecuted and almost killed by the evil and barbaric Europeans.
Fuck this game.
Gamer seethes that other games have options he doesnât like.
If you tell Musa to fuck off you get an automatic game over.
I havenât encounter this person yet. I wanna ask but I donât want spoilers. Who knows, I may agree with you. I have to play the mission and get the context.
If the context is you need something from character A and pissing him off goes against that, it may make sense.
Again, I just finished the wedding so I donât want spoilers please
In the most spoiler free way I can describe, you are placed in a situation in which Musa needs your help to not die.
If you help him, he is very ungrateful and basically curses you out for being a white devil. You are then required to help him with something else; it's not optional.
If you do not help him, you get a game over and are told to go back and pick the other option.
I see, well I guess I will have to cross that bridge when I come. If I agree with your assessmentâŠI may add a follow up comment if I remember.
Itâs giving Taash vibes but I want to play the game anyways
KCD1 had staying power, KCD2 was barely a flash in a pan.
And Vavra is salty AF that his woke trash sequel didn't win literally anything.
I STILL get Reddit ads begging me to buy the game. I don't think a successful single player game still needs ads a year after release.
They also did a "Free to Play" Weekend: https://www.icy-veins.com/other-games/news/kingdom-come-deliverance-ii-is-free-to-play-for-a-limited-time/
And they had several -50% Off Sales across platforms. All in the year of release.
My gut says they probably know they somewhat screwed up internally, and only have a limited time to make as much money as they can off of it, since long-term appeal and long tail Sales are gone along with their reputation.
Free to play weekend is almost non-existent for single player games; never saw BG3 have that.
The fact this game needed it says a lot. Usually something for multiplayer games during a slump in sales.
Games that are good and still successful, don't need to go on sale. Nintendo rarely ever puts their games on sale and they've made some of the best selling games in the last decade. Because they don't devalue their products with regular releases and they generally always deliver quality gaming experiences. Obviously not every game is for everyone's tastes but still.
Damn it, I'm in the wrong field.
I could be making millions showing executives that stupid shit sells games. Then, when the game bombs I can say they didn't Communist hard enough.
Instead I'm too busy working an honest 9-5.
Anyone want to go halfies with me on opening a Learing Center? I hear they make bank
The difficult part is being in the inner circles and knowing the "right" people. If you got that sorted, it's easy street.
If thereâs anyone you could deem a âterminally online culture warriorâ itâs the blogger who wrote that, and all his brethren.
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Seems to me the decision to include it was made by a few terminally online culture warriors.
âProbablyâ implies that they are completely unaware of whether it had an effect on the gameâs reception.
lol
Yeah, your main audience that rejected you had no impact on the reception.
We had many people on this very subreddit claiming that KCD2 isn't wokeslop despite everything we knew about the game.
It probably didn't impact reception much unfortunately.Â
It did, but not much.
In terms of sales they lost some $$ (I was going to buy day 1 before leaks), but they're getting it back from different investors. (the ones that forced them to introduce all the DEI elements)
Idk. Outside of the horse shit where he throws you off sometimes even if being chased (not super common but still annoying) itâs a solid rpg experience.
This constant need to âfight the wokeâ seems silly and forced at this point
There was a massive campaign by the 'modern crowd' to take over all social media spaces related to the game and tout about how great it was to save it.
The KCD sub was completely taken over a couple weeks before games release by embracer group employees and the game gets glazed like crazy there since.
The same thing has slowly been happening to the witcher sub since season 2 of the show as well, and since W4 was announced it's even worse over there. The crowd that hated CDPR for killing the lore to make witcher ciri a reality was pushed out and banned from the sub, now it's just eternal glazing for the ruining of the franchise.
That game too will come out and first 2 hours will be normal, then just like KCD2 all the DEI elements will rear their ugly heads afterwards and once sales numbers are hit, the devs will talk about DEI greatness nonstop on social media.
That shit even hit us here. I haven't forgotten how the mods placed all discussion about KCD2 into a megathread that had comments forced into random so we couldn't even see new developments.
Yup, that's how you can tell someone, something or a product is pozzed as fuck, the admins force subs to behave like that.
It's embracer group though. We know they know how to play the game so they're huge into spending money to get their way, which coercing social media is a major part of their business plan.
The game sold well. Stop coping because you have issues with gay people
I'll do my best. Thanks for the advice.
Thatâs all I can ask, have a pleasant weekend
It's the same as the Hogwart's legacy "Boycott".
Online bubbles thinking their tantrum is more important than it actually is. The funny bit is they'll cheer when Hogwarts Legacy sells well because "Fuck you progressives, we won!" and then be mad when KCD2 sells well because "boo, the chuds betrayed the chud code!". Stupidity all around.
At the end of the day, sales are king and people decided that this wasn't an issue unlike Veilguard, AC: Shadows, Star Wars Outlaws and other failed over the top DEI shit.
If we were to listen to this sub, E33 is a shit game that's just DEISlop anyway, so take what you read here with a planet sized grain of salt.
KCD1 was my favorite game of all time. This betrayal is by far the biggest m disappointment in gaming for me ever. But I donât have any illusions. They now have the mainstream crowd an the former fans donât matter anymore. Everyone knows it sold well. It was the final nail in the coffin for me. Havenât bought a game since.
âHavenât bought a game sinceâ has to be the most Reddit thing ever. Dude, games and companies arenât a personality, get over yourself. You bought a game you didnât enjoy, itâs not the end of the world.
How is that Reddit? Iâve long gotten over myself. Iâm thankfully not a video game addict. Iâve never pretended games and companies are personalities? I was one of the original Kickstarter backers of the first game. Very active in the community, talking to the devs (who back then still agreed with me) etc. It was one of a very few pieces of modern media that didnât subvert a european historical setting. I have no optimism left for this industry or modern entertainment so I donât support it anymore. The typical Redditor is the opposite btw. Itâs the Reddit crowd that is being catered to.
Behaving in a way to score karma on reddit at the detriment of your enjoyment.
I have been gaming for 40 years. Have seen great games get bad sequels more times than I can count.
I never "kickstarted" anything nor did I ever let a franchise dying out impact my enjoyment of the medium.
Has nothing to do with addiction, everything to do with having a healthy outlook on things. Sounds like you went deep, made KCD your "main game", it became part of your personality (reddit behavior) and now you're crashing.
The point is not to get invested in things personally. They're just games, mindless hours of fun for entertainment purposes. If one suck, another will be good and that's that.
I'm talking behaviors, not viewpoints. You're behaving like a redditor. In too deep, crash out after a high.
Yea. That what itâs giving for sure. People flying off the handles at the smallest things to justifying their internal hated
These things wouldn't matter if the game offered a choice. Don't like Musa? Kill him. Don't like the Jewish quest line? Pick another side. The gay stuff is the only pozzed inclusion that can be avoided.
People don't hate wokeness, they hate that it takes away any other option. Like, for example, I would never get angry at breasts removal scars or dick physics in a character editor if, in exchange, it provided me with huge breasts/ass and jiggle physics. Same with body types.
I take offense when developers erase what I like. I will never stay silent or give my money to developers like that. I will actively oppose them at every opportunity.
Nah, i hate wokeness
People often dislike elements in fictional media for irrational reasons, such as those who hate anime, religion, or fan service on principle. To reject something purely because it exists in a fictional work is regarded - on the important condition that it doesn't detract from your own experience.
Gamers, as an audience, are no longer a monolith. If you want to see more great games made, you need to learn to compromise. You will never eliminate every element you dislike in media, because if you campaign against what others enjoy, they may then turn against what you like. It becomes an endless, meaningless cycle of hostility that is counterproductive in an interactive medium - one that can satisfy everyone simultaneously through a simple settings toggle or a dialogue choice.
Games, especially role-playing games, can be both progressive and based at the same time. Imagine a game that features pride parades, making progressive players happy, while also letting you drive a Ford F-150 Raptor with a reinforced bullbar. I think the point is clear.
Why would I compromise on media I'm paying money for? Either make something I want to purchase, or don't.
Why? My enemies sure didn't, and they got everything they wanted.
I explained why. Replacing what others like with whatever you like will lead to the others doing the same to you out of spite (you're literally doing the same, you should be able to extrapolate from here).
How long are you going to keep exchanging blows before you realize that it leads nowhere and you're not part of a majority you're imagining? Normies are the majority; you will never win them over for good.
For game developers, your and my needs are a low priority. We will only be catered to until there is another change of power in the US. Why settle for a temporary solution when we can solve the problem permanently?
I'm just afraid that the incessant warfare and constant escalation of rhetoric will lead developers to sanitize their games so thoroughly that they won't offend anyone, but also won't appeal to anyone except the most lobotomized normie consumer. This will likely cause irreversible damage to video games, especially AAA.
Again, it did not leave nowhere for my enemies. It led straight to victory.
And they don't matter; win and they'll follow you.
Until everything started rolling back.
For a short time, while conservatives are on the rise.
The next 30 years you will spend going back and forth until everything is sanitized and appeals to neither faction, the ultimate slop. Big brain strategy đ
I see no evidence that games have rolled back, though.
That's now.
Do you know what target audiences are?
How about the pride parades be kept in games specifically targeted towards them and the ford be in a game made for me.
Not every world view mixes well, you really think companies haven't been trying to please both sides for all these years?
You can't make everyone happy, so make your fans happy.
Oh man the leaks on musa and vavra lying his ass off, first saying he wasn't in the game then as more leaks came out slowly changing the story.
Loved it when the full leak finally came out like a day before release that musa was not only in the game, he was a main character in the story, to the point that if you failed to defend him in court, it was game over. He's also a protected NPC and impossible to kill. So much for RPG choices.
I didn't like musa cause he's black, I couldn't care less about that. I didn't like musa because he was a fake character shoehorned into the game, made a main character you had zero choice around, and he rubbed islam in your face and shit on christains, in a VERY christain game.
Same shit with putting a jewish synagog in medieval Prague, where it never even existed, was just a further slap to the face; also you gotta defend it from a mob of 'evil christains' in a mission and if you fail that, also game over.
Yea fuck vavra, everything is his fault. Greedy bastard sold his company to the devil (Embracer Group) and sold out the whole company and all it's IP to be ruined forever, least till embracer collapses, which right now it's nothing but shocking they're still in business when all I hear is stories about them hemorrhaging money and barely staying afloat. It's like they got Epic money or something to play with and wont go broke no matter what...
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"probably most of them never really even heard about these pseudo-controversies" I would argue that these players, who didn't know the controversies before playing KCD2, will have been disappointed while playing it, and might not purchase KCD3. Sometimes the effect is delayed.
Reminds me a bit on how shows like Kitchen Nightmares, the owners are baffled whenever Gordon Ramsay complains about the food because "We never have heard anything bad about it!" That's because when someone has a mediocre meal dining out, 95% of the time they don't say anything and just go to another restaurant next time.
Why does he talk like a Redditor?
It pretty much always is like star wars sequels when people watched last jedi due to part 7 being decent and then not coming back for last one
Yet if a game doesn't have Type A/Type B and instead has Male/Female, the world is coming to an end.
Glad I never bought that game.
He can keep coping. That shit is the reason I won't buy the game.
He's probably right.
It was still lame and gay.
And yet, adding this garbage didn't help their game get any awards. In addition, sales of the KCD 2 have slowed down a lot. So they lost from all possible sides.
You never feel the consequences of your action until the product AFTER. KCD2 was barely affected, KCD3 will flounder because of his betrayal. And he knows that, if it didnât matter then he wouldnât ever bring it up and he wouldâve already forgotten about it.
He's right, I didn't buy it even though I really enjoyed 1 and all it's dlcs.
Same. KCD1 was my favorite game.
implying the right is terminally online
implying the left is not terminally online
I mean it seems to have sold well enough. Although I'll be interested how the next one will do, now that Vavra's feet of clay are a matter of record.
People mostly don't complain because aside from the metric fuckton of pandering you forced in, the game itself was so damn mediocre and forgettable that even those "terminally online culture warriors" couldn't muster up the emotional energy to keep caring.
I wanted to buy the game. I did not. I also told several friends about it who were disappointed and didnât buy it. It affected reception.
I was a huge fan of kcd and the controversy was enough to turn me from a happy day 1 buyer to getting it 50% off. Now that I'm 10 hours in, I regret buying it at all. It's not just the hans gay stuff. It's the Roma being portrayed as harmless and their witchcraft acceptable to Henry, and there's a lady who was run out of town and her daughter that are victims, and town criers shouting garbage that invites anti-christian and anti-western criticism, and mansa musa, and...
The list is so long. Pagan/witch/woman/black/non-western/Roma=good and Christian/white/male/urban=bad. It's tiresome and constant and Henry has very little agency when it comes to approaching those situations and ideas with anything more than casual acceptance of things a medieval bohemian would have found shocking.
This game was one of the reasons I unsubbed to more than a couple of YouTube channels. I was quite disappointed at their hypocrisy regarding this game.
Musa saving Henry was so forced my entire body cringed. moments like this really soured the experience in an otherwise good game, what a shame man đ
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I would defend him if we wasnât just using empty buzzwords like ârepresentationâ
Didn't buy it and I even sold my kcd 1 copy back as a vow of not wanting anything to do with warhorse ever again
I didn't even finish KCD2 despite the original being one of my favorite games ever, so. I would say it severely harmed the reception.
and I'm someone who, for example, liked Dead Rising Remastered and liked Silent Hill 2, even with all their changes. so I'm not as far along the pipeline as most people are, here.
for what its worth though. a lot of people were not sure that it was going to be a problem. a LOT of sales for KCD2 were based on goodwill from the first game. now that he's tanked all of that good will, I think his well is dry.
I agree, I pre-ordered the second game after playing the first one while it was on sale on Steam. I regretted it quite a bit.
Fanboys of this game seething was cherry on top
This game and the controversy around it really opened my eyes to how little affect no-no miles have on things. Even with the massive DEI influence and Vavra stabbing people in the back and bragging about it, it still sold well and supposed "anti-woke" influencers eagerly supported it.
It's sad to have a person in the industry with the means, the knowledge, the money and the will to create something different and totally NOT WOKE, and still see him convert to them in the most idiotic, hypocritical, pussy way. It's sad and terrifying, how money can buy a simple man.
That said, we have the means too and the knowledge to grab his work and "better" it. Mods. There are a shit ton of mods that improve the game, regarding the message, mechanics, general QoL etc. god save the non woke modders.
it made my NOT BUYING game
I was locked a locked in preorder until the news broke and Vavra was just beating around the bush.
The snuck-in stuff sucks but the rest of the game was so high quality I just had to look past it, which wasnât hard because of how little there is of it. This is no Veilguard.
I like how everyone defending it are either saying that "it was only an optiom chill" (ruining immersion btw) ans the other part iss aying "its historically accurate because there were always gay men" which is completely devoid of logic. So because there were gay men in the past that means that it has to apply to two best friends who both happen to be christian in a country where being homosexual was very rare especially at that time? It makes zero sense to romance them anyways, the only people who say that the romance makes sense are the terminally online who never had a real life best friend so they think that every close relatio ship must be gay.
Lots of people say that KCD3 will feel the betrayal, but the hard to swallow pill is that it likely won't.
KCD2 had more than double, pretty much 2.5x the players of KCD1 at its peak on Steam alone, the vast majority of which being normies who didn't care about what happened or won't even notice or question anything in the game and they really enjoyed it.
It might really be true that the people who care are in the minority here. KCD3 will be a success as well and as long as they are able to restrain themselves with the woke elements it will continue to fly under most people's radar and KCD4 will also be a success.
Edit: You can downvote me all you want, but not one of you is even trying to argue I'm wrong. Or has this place become an echo-chamber that can't handle a sober take?
the game even had 80k player count last month almost a year after release...and i will repeat the hans romance is optional and if you pursue and get caught you will get the medieval treatment,musa is an actual foreigner of nobility unlike yasuke yes he is dick so is hans the point of him is he learns to be humble.the jewish sidequest also proves this isnt selling out cause a dei game wouldnt have the jews be potrayed as backstabbing con men.there are many female romances in the game one of the big ones is a bif titty milf already proving that the game is not woke at all.the game still potrays christianity the same as it was in 1403 many people say jesus christ be praised.congrats you guys threw away the one guy who was successfull for the industry for jon wife beater del lucario porn arroz and the scam artist and dead child exploiter grummz
Jesse wtf are you talking about
i would agree with this guy if he spaced his words and used the english lexicon properly
Probably true tbf. Game is great.
You can cry about it here, for this is where your complaints hold any relevance.
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Yeah nah
OP post Is a very typical example of a post aimed at generating as much drama and emotion as possible
Its a PC Gamer article....
Yall know nobody forces you to do the gay romance and itâs clearly outline the points to do it.
Anyone made at this just hates gay people because they canât separate someone being gay wit thoughts of them fuckingâŠwhich is a massive self report.
Or they're just annoyed about the devs' submission to the progresive lobbyists.
Regardless, I'm pleased that the journalists are still trying to run PR for the game, shows how badly they've lost control of the narrative.
lmao