I got flamed for saying that the stadium is close to MCI a few months ago when Chris Jones went to his aunt’s funeral. According to the broadcast, he made it there in something like 25 mins after landing. There’s a reason they chose the location of TSC and it wasn’t gambling.
Yeah, cheap land near the city at the confluence of multiple highways and interstate systems. I don’t even understand what people are arguing here. It’s an irrefutable fact that TSC is closer and more accessible in every metric to what any reasonable person would consider “the city”. This move is the enshittification of the Chiefs to keep the rabble like you and I out and OP c-suite ghouls, influencers and pop stars in. That is unless you’re a compulsive gambler with a line of credit on your small business to burn up.
ETA: I’m not arguing that TSC is particularly convenient, but it is by any measure more a part of the city than Legends, which is TG88’s point. When I was young and carless it was a massive pain in the ass to go see a game at Kauffman or Arrowhead, but that’s more an issue of public transit and infrastructure being trash in KC (maybe it’s changed since I moved, but I doubt it). Moving to Legends is just a giant middle finger to the actual people of KC.
It doesn't matter about "the city" what matters is the metropolitan area. That is what Kansas City is. Its Troost, its Legends, its Olathe Its Blue Springs, its Lees Summit. KC MO proper is 20% of the population of the metro area.
That’s actually the future of the Chiefs. Someone can get on their private aircraft in Dubai and never once interact with anyone until they’re safely ensconced in their luxury box at Charlie Kirk Memorial Coliseum.
And other than "downtown" where probably the least amount of people commute in from to watch the games, Arrowhead is near Jack shit.
I also love the idea that The Legends is somehow the "middle of nowhere". Jackson county people need to get out more. They've been trying to make the area around Arrowhead happen for a while and it ain't happening.
Yeah people on the MO side are somehow ignoring the fact that arrowhead is in a fucking terrible location right now. Like it's an absolute dump over there and it's somehow a wonderful location because it's at the confluence of two major highways 😂😂😂😂😂
I think they just have no reason to go out that way, unless they go to races or following Sporting.
There has been a lot of development over the last decade, which is really kind of amazing given how things were looking after Schlitterbahn got shut down.
Add in all the developments around Mineral Fields and HomeField, and you can really start to see how this corner of Wyandotte has massively improved from what it was 20+ years ago.
This also might help the county finally land a tenant for the other half of the old Cerner building.
If they're going to the Legends they'll have Hollywood Casino, the Speedway, Children's Mercy Park and a shopping district basically across the street.
Like I'm curious how many people commenting this have actually been to the Legends in the past 15 years
The Legends is just a mall district, and that's it. The Chiefs are making a huge mistake moving the stadium from the main KC metro area into a shopping mall district in Kansas. The other mistake is moving a Major league sport franchies from Missouri with a population 6.8 million to Kansas with a population of a little over 2 million. It was only Jackson County that was maintaining Arrowhead through taxes with a population of almost a million residents, while Kansas City, Kansas population is 150,000 residents. How is Kansas gonna maintain a monster dome stadium with 1/4 of the population of Jackson County in Kansas City, Missouri. I can see people coming from other states and countries going to a Chiefs game in Kansas and then pass up Legends due to high prices because of the Chiefs stadium near by and game day and they spend end up spending their time and money in Kansas City, Missouri downtown area. The monster dome has to get money from somewhere to maintai. Like how it's always been, it will be maintained through by the taxpayers. People in Kansas will have to pay high taxes to maintain it. It will probably be way higher than what Jackson County was paying.
I mean it’s like 15 miles from the current arrowhead. I’m with Tony on the retractable roof though. But leave the roof open for football. Close it for other events.
I'm all for having an open roof through mid-November. After that, it depends on the opponent. Miami, Houston, the Chargers? Open it. Cold weather teams who play outside? Close it up. No point in being miserable and standing on cardboard for no real advantage.
I dont know this for a fact, but I'll bet that the league has a rule on retractable roof stadiums not being weaponized on a per-opponent basis. They probably have to be operated based on weather criteria. Below a certain temp or any precipitation, closed, above a certain temp with no precipitation, open.
You probably get to set the rules for your stadium, but I doubt you can just say "warm weather team? Fuck it, we're playing in -5F today" that doesn't seem like the kind of thing the NFL would allow.
I'm not sure. I know they already do it with the hydronic fields. I did a tour of Lambeau a couple years ago and they said they can heat the water pipes under the field enough to get the temp on the field to around 50 degrees in the dead of winter. The tour guide winked and said "but we turn that off when the warm weather teams play here." Arrowhead has a similar system that I believe I heard was turned off for the Miami playoff game.
It's pretty impressive how far he's fallen in a lot of Chiefs fans' eyes (including my own), without doing something incredibly heinous. I'd expect someone who never once visited Arrowhead to say something like that, not someone who played here for...a decade.
I dislike this move for a lot of reasons, but it’s moving from a near-blighted area to an entertainment and shopping district less than thirty minutes away still well within the metro area.
It’s not the middle of nowhere
Also I might be fuzzy on my nfl history but while the 49ers haven’t won a superbowl since they moved out of Candlestick, they’re a much better football team than they’d been in years before that move
I've always gotten the impression as a KCK native that folks from KCMO think KCK is East St. Louis x2 and look down on it as less than because it doesn't have skyscrapers.
That's an obsolete way of thinking. Wyandotte County and Jackson County have the same population density. By the time this stadium is built Johnson County will be the most populous county in the metro area, and it already has the highest population density. The suburbs are where the people are.
The 49ers stadium also isn’t the middle of nowhere. It’s still right in the middle of San Jose. Sure, not as exciting as SF or Oakland but there’s still awesome food and shopping and some nature. It’s not in Modesto
The I-70 and 435 west interchange is one of the most accessible locations in the whole city. What are you talking about? The entire area has infrastructure for 250k people at the race way. A fraction of that will be attending the new stadium.
Exactly. I agree with Tony G about the retractable roof part. And just leaving Arrowhead period sucks cus it’s so historic and can get loud as hell. But location? It’s literally 3 miles further away/2 more minutes driving from downtown KC than Arrowhead currently is. No one is gonna be missing out on the KC experience with it being at the Legends. You can still be downtown in 15 min.
Jeebus the butt hurt is strong. Public v private funding aside, can we not be happy the Chiefs are staying in KC and we are getting a new state of the art stadium? I love and will miss arrowhead but it was time and this is the start of the next 60-70 years.
Arrowheads dated, I don’t want to pay to remodel it, don’t tear down any buildings downtown, don’t move outside of town, with the reactions to Washington’s multiple name changes you’ve got to realize people just hate change and KCMO have a weird superiority complex and chip on their shoulder about the neighbors 5 minutes away.
This is the correct take, the reality is Reddit is insanely left leaning and they are going insanely hard into the “anyone with money is just evil” shit and right now this sub is impossible to read lol
I mean, I’m fairly progressive and while I do think it sucks that we are subsidizing literal billionaires that could afford it themselves, I am also not dumb and realize it’s going to make the surrounding area a lot of money and that’s the name of the game in the system we live in. What sucks the most is Arrowhead has one of the best home field advantages due to its design, capacity, and the fact that the winter months (when the games can start to matter a little more) bring cold weather that less and less teams are able to handle like the Chiefs do. All of those advantages go out the window with a nice new stadium that condenses the occupancy, therefore inflating already costly ticket prices, making it to where some of the most diehard fans can’t afford to go anymore, especially with no more shitty weather discounts. Not to mention no more potential weather advantage. Location doesn’t really matter when it’s pretty much as close to downtown as Arrowhead already is. People just love to argue KS vs MO.
Agreed! The Chiefs are making a huge mistake moving the stadium from the main KC metro area into a shopping mall district in Kansas. KCMO downtown where everything is, which is 8 minutes away by car. There are a lot more things to do in KCMO downtown that is 8 minutes away on 435 hw than the Legends across the street with some malls, restaurants, and a park. There is a reason why Lamar put Arrowhead and Worlds of Fun in the location it's currently in. Kansas City, Missouri, is the heart and soul of Kansas City. The real urban experience of Kansas City's arts, Jazz, BBQ and Sports culture is in Missouri side. Everything is on the Missouri side in downtown that has a crown center district, the country club plaza district, Crossroads district, river market district, light and power district, 18th and vine Jazz district, American Jazz Musuem, Negro league baseball musuems, world class Nelson museum, Jazz district, symphony, world war 1 musuem, Arabia steamboat, musuem, KC ballet theater, the Miland theater, Westport, the Kansas City airport, the Kansas city zoo, Kansas City Art Institute, Worlds of Fun, Union Station/train station, the Chiefs, the Royals and much more! KCMO downtown also has the KC streetcars that you travel all throughout the downtown area for free.
"Being a le to drop a stadium into" does certainly limit things. I agree with others that the Legends is far from the best entertainment area - unless by entertainment you just mean sports stadiums, race track, etc. If you are looking for amazing restaurants, art museums, the symphony, cool bars, etc. then the Legends is definitely not it. Thats what the folks responding to you mean.
Personally I think Legends is a pretty good place to put the stadium. As local, I would still recommend to visiting friends coming in for a game to stay in downtown KC MO for the weekend and drive to the stadium for game day. Same rec whether current location or the Legends . However, I am (relatively) young person with no kids and an interest in what downtown provides. If you have a family of 5 and your priority is staying close to the stadium, eating at a place where your kids can go nuts without any side eye, Legends is probably a better spot to stay.
So no, Legends is not in the middle of nowhere by any means. But it is a bit farther away from the parts of the city that I love and spend time in. Mild disappointment to me, but not a big deal as I look forward to continuing to watch most games at home or with friends on TV.
A downtown stadium would destroy half those things. That's one of the main reasons the Crossroads organized against moving the Royals to the old KC Star site.
They are already in the middle of nowhere lol at least there will be actual things to do around the stadium instead of the boarded up Adam’s Mark Hotel, as cool as that may be…
That’s sad. In the 90s my dad was living in CA, and I was in DC, both of us are from Shawnee, as a surprise I flew him to KC and met him there for a game. We stayed at the Adam’s Mark with a great view of the stadium. One of my favorite memories with him
Arrowhead is functionally very much in the suburbs right now. It's 9 miles from the very small urban core of KCMO. It's just moving from one side of the metro to a nearly equidistant other side of the metro
ITT: people don’t know what “middle of nowhere” means. The Legends does not fit the definition of “middle of nowhere”. Y’all are crying over spilled milk.
I'm trying to be optimistic about the new stadium. I really wish they were staying at Arrowhead, but there's nothing I can do about it so I'm trying to get excited about new possibilities. I think it could be a positive and good for the team and city.
I dont think billionaires should be using private funds for their stadiums but any business owner would take the deal kansas gave them. As a kansan im a little perplexed on how the state will pay for it but as a fan who grew up and still lives in kck im excited. Im a STH too so its bittersweet. I know the new stadium will probably be amazing.
Guessing? All you have to do is look at every other new stadium deal that’s come down in the last 20 years and you’ll see that there is a consistent pattern of behavior.
Yes, you're guessing. You have zero information and you're just throwing shit out there because your angry the Chiefs are moving. In case you didn't notice the Chiefs have been jacking up their prices for years and they DIDN'T have a new stadium. So maybe there are other reasons ticket prices go up? As usual, correlation does not equal causation.
You’re a fool if you think they won’t install PSL’s like every new stadium has done. They have already shared that capacity will be lower, they aren’t cutting suite seats with the lower capacity.
It should be easy I keep hearing from MO fans “tHat NoT ReaL kC iM neveR goIng tO aNotHer gamE agAIn” Definitely not fair weather fans abandoning their team after one bad season and a 15 mile move. Hopefully us Kansas fans will scoop up a bunch of cheap tickets since half the fan base is throwing a hissy fit but I bet they get over it by 2030.
Weird, must have missed all the shootings at Royals and Chiefs games. You sound like you live in Johnson County and are afraid of anything outside of Leawood.
Incorrect. I grew up in East Independence, lived in Blue Springs for a couple decades and now live in the northland. I did however office out of a building adjacent to the Arrowhead parking lot from 2016-2022, where I ran a route based fleet business. My car was broken into 4 times, we had someone OD and died in the parking lot, numerous break ins to the fleet to the point where we were given the choice to either move or self insure. It's a really shit area, man.
Not sure Legends with a giant strip of car lots, resort hotels, three sports venues and an outlet mall qualifies as the middle of nowhere—but for me it’s going to be a 15 minute drive from the northlands.
Yeah Tony can keep his opinions to himself. Mr, I’m gonna leave the Chiefs for a chance to compete for a Super Bowl…two years later we are a hall of fame TE away from being a Super Bowl contender. I’ll never forget how you left.
Not sure if that’s the year exactly, but sounds about right. It was a few more years than two, that first year we had Alex Smith. I remember Tony still playing for the falcons (I think) looking pretty good too. And I knew if we had his veteran leadership plus his amazing skills, we would have won the Super Bowl (pipe dreams, but whatever) I can’t forgive him, he should have been a lifer.
Love TG but the new location will be much better than the current. There's absolutely nothing around the current location. Legends has a big shopping/restaurant district, racetrack and soccer stadium all within walking distance of each other.
Ironically the new location will be at a different confluence of the same two highways. I435 and I70 just on the Western side of it all. KCK is about in the middle of nowhere as KCMO is. They literally are connected at the hip.
Stop. Team had several awful seasons. He would have finished his career on a team going nowhere. I will always advocate for KC legends to go somewhere else near the end of their career if KC isn't competitive at the time. I love KC, but those legends are who really make it a blessing to be a KC fan. I am just thankful for the time they spend here.
Who gives a shit? Tony was a legend here who never won (not his fault) and squandered pretty much all his goodwill with the fans by saying some dumb (but fairly minor) shit.
Then we got a TE who truly loved the city and won 3 SBs here.
I literally have Tony Gonzalez on video saying he hates Kansas City. This is outside The Hurricane in Westport around 2005 I would say. I had my camcorder out and he is complaining to 2 friends about how shitty KC is. I drunkenly laugh saying, "I got that shit on video Tony!".
“Potential move.” Calling the fastest growing area in the Midwest the middle of nowhere is as dumb as his glasses. Better off in Atlanta. Not the brightest guy in the room.
I don’t really get the point in any football team building a retractable roof. It’ll will be open for like 4 games a year at most. Baseball I get it more because people want to be outside in the summer but also not have postponed games to rain. But putting a retractable roof on a football stadium seems like a complete waste of money.
I recently toured a retractable roof dome of a football team and they said the roof is opened about 1x a year. Because the NFL has strict rules that it cannot be opened or closed if open within 1-2 hrs of a game. And if the roof is large enough then the NFL classifies a game with an open roof as an outside game and they have to reconfigure their set up of cameras, etc.,as well as TV has to reconfigure their mics and cams for an outdoor game. So most restractlable roof single purpose football stadiums don't open them.
Yes, the hoopla around the retractable roof of Jerry World quickly subsided -- Jerry never opens it. And it's not open for non-football events, either. The roof was a marketing pitch to make the project more acceptable/palatable.
Yes, fans romanticize retractable roofs, thinking they'll be open almost all the time, except in really bad weather. Reality has shown that they're actually rarely opened, so you might as well just build a great dome without the compromise and expense of a retractable roof.
This misses the entire point. They want affluent people to pay $100 to see a game and those people will not go if there is any chance of sitting in the heat or cold.
I respect your opinion, but I personally disagree. It's a way more comfortable atmosphere and the game isn't ruined by weather conditions. I hate seeing great players slowed down or injured because of rain or snow, or having to get an IV because they are dehydrated from the heat. Plus it's way louder. I have a feeling this one will be similar to the one in LV. That place is nothing like a warehouse.
“I don’t want to be out in the middle of nowhere” - Lmaooooooooooooooo
Bro forgot where the stadium currently is
Twice as close to the city?
Lol they’re the same distance to the city. I swear some people in kc have never crossed the border
Arrowhead is 7 miles from downtown. The Legends is 15 miles.
I mean, I live in KC and the Legends is 4 miles closer to me than Arrowhead
What is your reference point?
He won’t say because he made it up.
Edit: I googled it and KC extends way the heck off to the north of the river. Turns out it is possible. I always thought that was North Kansas City.
I got flamed for saying that the stadium is close to MCI a few months ago when Chris Jones went to his aunt’s funeral. According to the broadcast, he made it there in something like 25 mins after landing. There’s a reason they chose the location of TSC and it wasn’t gambling.
ya, the reason was cheap land
Yeah, cheap land near the city at the confluence of multiple highways and interstate systems. I don’t even understand what people are arguing here. It’s an irrefutable fact that TSC is closer and more accessible in every metric to what any reasonable person would consider “the city”. This move is the enshittification of the Chiefs to keep the rabble like you and I out and OP c-suite ghouls, influencers and pop stars in. That is unless you’re a compulsive gambler with a line of credit on your small business to burn up.
ETA: I’m not arguing that TSC is particularly convenient, but it is by any measure more a part of the city than Legends, which is TG88’s point. When I was young and carless it was a massive pain in the ass to go see a game at Kauffman or Arrowhead, but that’s more an issue of public transit and infrastructure being trash in KC (maybe it’s changed since I moved, but I doubt it). Moving to Legends is just a giant middle finger to the actual people of KC.
Are we really acting like the highways by Arrowhead aren’t a complete mess?
Actually its prasied by many for the multiple ways in and out of the stadium. Legends is going to be a mess.
It doesn't matter about "the city" what matters is the metropolitan area. That is what Kansas City is. Its Troost, its Legends, its Olathe Its Blue Springs, its Lees Summit. KC MO proper is 20% of the population of the metro area.
Tbf he had a police escort from MCI to Arrowhead for that.
True. And a private flight, I’m sure.
That’s actually the future of the Chiefs. Someone can get on their private aircraft in Dubai and never once interact with anyone until they’re safely ensconced in their luxury box at Charlie Kirk Memorial Coliseum.
Wouldn’t a private flight land at the downtown airport?
Good point. Honestly, I checked out of this conversation yesterday. Merry Christmas!
Also: 6-7!
The Legends is a few minutes closer to MCI. Just Google it.
Y'all are acting like the current location is downtown when in reality it's practically in the burbs.
And other than "downtown" where probably the least amount of people commute in from to watch the games, Arrowhead is near Jack shit.
I also love the idea that The Legends is somehow the "middle of nowhere". Jackson county people need to get out more. They've been trying to make the area around Arrowhead happen for a while and it ain't happening.
Yeah people on the MO side are somehow ignoring the fact that arrowhead is in a fucking terrible location right now. Like it's an absolute dump over there and it's somehow a wonderful location because it's at the confluence of two major highways 😂😂😂😂😂
Anyone know where another confluence of 2 major highways could be? Maybe something near The Legends?
I think they just have no reason to go out that way, unless they go to races or following Sporting.
There has been a lot of development over the last decade, which is really kind of amazing given how things were looking after Schlitterbahn got shut down.
Add in all the developments around Mineral Fields and HomeField, and you can really start to see how this corner of Wyandotte has massively improved from what it was 20+ years ago.
This also might help the county finally land a tenant for the other half of the old Cerner building.
The arrivals gate at MCI to TSC is 28 miles. The arrivals gate to the KS speedway is 25 miles.
It's closer to Independence than the city
And still in the middle of nowhere surrounded by nothing. At least - I guess - new location will have the Legends close by.
If they're going to the Legends they'll have Hollywood Casino, the Speedway, Children's Mercy Park and a shopping district basically across the street.
Like I'm curious how many people commenting this have actually been to the Legends in the past 15 years
I’ve always wanted to buy a couch immediately after watching a football game.
The Legends is just a mall district, and that's it. The Chiefs are making a huge mistake moving the stadium from the main KC metro area into a shopping mall district in Kansas. The other mistake is moving a Major league sport franchies from Missouri with a population 6.8 million to Kansas with a population of a little over 2 million. It was only Jackson County that was maintaining Arrowhead through taxes with a population of almost a million residents, while Kansas City, Kansas population is 150,000 residents. How is Kansas gonna maintain a monster dome stadium with 1/4 of the population of Jackson County in Kansas City, Missouri. I can see people coming from other states and countries going to a Chiefs game in Kansas and then pass up Legends due to high prices because of the Chiefs stadium near by and game day and they spend end up spending their time and money in Kansas City, Missouri downtown area. The monster dome has to get money from somewhere to maintai. Like how it's always been, it will be maintained through by the taxpayers. People in Kansas will have to pay high taxes to maintain it. It will probably be way higher than what Jackson County was paying.
Actually in inside the city limits?
It’s like he never played in Arrowhead with this statement. The Legends area is far more populated with businesses and things to do.
And it’s still way out in the middle of nowhere.
Umm… no. A place where people around the metro regularly go to shop and hang out?
You are acting like Bonner springs isn’t the middle of nowhere because they have a margaritaville.
No kidding, I can’t wait to be able to hit up NFM before the game with the wifey…
That got me too, lol.
I mean it’s like 15 miles from the current arrowhead. I’m with Tony on the retractable roof though. But leave the roof open for football. Close it for other events.
There's no way they would leave the roof open on a negative degree football game like Miami 2 years ago.
That has been the Chiefs advantage
They will if they want an advantage
Until someone sues them for frostbite that could have been prevented if they closed it...
When has that ever happened?? Lol reddit I swear
Of the 4 stadiums referenced as examples of what KS wants built, I believe three of them have retractable roofs.
New Nissan Stadium - Retractable Roof?
Mercedes Benz Stadium - Retractable Roof
State Farm Stadium - Retractable Roof
US Bank Stadium - Too cold for retractable roof to work
New Nissan does not have a retractable roof.
I'm all for having an open roof through mid-November. After that, it depends on the opponent. Miami, Houston, the Chargers? Open it. Cold weather teams who play outside? Close it up. No point in being miserable and standing on cardboard for no real advantage.
I dont know this for a fact, but I'll bet that the league has a rule on retractable roof stadiums not being weaponized on a per-opponent basis. They probably have to be operated based on weather criteria. Below a certain temp or any precipitation, closed, above a certain temp with no precipitation, open.
You probably get to set the rules for your stadium, but I doubt you can just say "warm weather team? Fuck it, we're playing in -5F today" that doesn't seem like the kind of thing the NFL would allow.
I'm not sure. I know they already do it with the hydronic fields. I did a tour of Lambeau a couple years ago and they said they can heat the water pipes under the field enough to get the temp on the field to around 50 degrees in the dead of winter. The tour guide winked and said "but we turn that off when the warm weather teams play here." Arrowhead has a similar system that I believe I heard was turned off for the Miami playoff game.
If the roof is available they’ll just close it for every event with incremental weather. Which makes it pretty much a wasted investment.
It's pretty obvious this guy has not spent more than 24 hours in KC since he went to ATL.
I bet you're right. The executive airport is like 5-10 minutes away from the stadium.
It's pretty impressive how far he's fallen in a lot of Chiefs fans' eyes (including my own), without doing something incredibly heinous. I'd expect someone who never once visited Arrowhead to say something like that, not someone who played here for...a decade.
Literally saw him in KC last night out to eat
What do you expect from a Californian?
Hilarious you crack this joke from a device most likely engineered and designed in California
I'm just going to do my best to enjoy these last 5 years as a season ticket member...
Middle of nowhere? Google maps is free, Tony.
Ya just talking out of his ass on this one. Arrowhead currently is closer to the middle of nowhere than the legends.
The facts here don’t really line up
I dislike this move for a lot of reasons, but it’s moving from a near-blighted area to an entertainment and shopping district less than thirty minutes away still well within the metro area.
It’s not the middle of nowhere
Also I might be fuzzy on my nfl history but while the 49ers haven’t won a superbowl since they moved out of Candlestick, they’re a much better football team than they’d been in years before that move
Not to mention candlestick was literally falling apart. It would have been an outright safety risk to keep playing there
I've always gotten the impression as a KCK native that folks from KCMO think KCK is East St. Louis x2 and look down on it as less than because it doesn't have skyscrapers.
KCMO is closer to being East St Louis than KCK ever could be
It's a suburb, that's exactly how it's looked at
That's an obsolete way of thinking. Wyandotte County and Jackson County have the same population density. By the time this stadium is built Johnson County will be the most populous county in the metro area, and it already has the highest population density. The suburbs are where the people are.
KC is one big suburb. Its urban core is pretty pathetic and even most of KCMO proper is very suburban.
I mean to be fair, downtown KCK could have tall buildings, not sure if those are illegal in Kansas.
Accurate. And most of them don't realize that the "skyscrapers" in KCMO are tiny by major city standards.
They’re not. KCMO has oversized skyscrapers for its size due to the Pendergast era.
So you've never been past Omaha?
The guy left and doesn't like when the stadium moves to a nearby area. He's the last guy who should have a problem with greener pastures.
The 49ers stadium also isn’t the middle of nowhere. It’s still right in the middle of San Jose. Sure, not as exciting as SF or Oakland but there’s still awesome food and shopping and some nature. It’s not in Modesto
I wouldn't call it well within the metro area. Legends is a weird island. It's a pain to get out there from KC proper.
The TSC isn't nearly the drive that Legends is. Especially with back roads options.
Legends sits right at 435 and 70, with multiple exits to both highways. It's literally 17 minutes west on 70 from Bartle Hall.
The I-70 and 435 west interchange is one of the most accessible locations in the whole city. What are you talking about? The entire area has infrastructure for 250k people at the race way. A fraction of that will be attending the new stadium.
They’re moving 20 miles down I70. People need to chill the fuck out
Exactly. I agree with Tony G about the retractable roof part. And just leaving Arrowhead period sucks cus it’s so historic and can get loud as hell. But location? It’s literally 3 miles further away/2 more minutes driving from downtown KC than Arrowhead currently is. No one is gonna be missing out on the KC experience with it being at the Legends. You can still be downtown in 15 min.
I was not at all expecting people to melt down this hard. I’ve been going to arrowhead since I was 8, and it was a dump back then.
TIL I live 10 minutes from the middle of nowhere
Welcome to KC. So spread out you can hit a cornfield and then suddenly be downtown within a few miles.
Me too!!
Jeebus the butt hurt is strong. Public v private funding aside, can we not be happy the Chiefs are staying in KC and we are getting a new state of the art stadium? I love and will miss arrowhead but it was time and this is the start of the next 60-70 years.
Arrowheads dated, I don’t want to pay to remodel it, don’t tear down any buildings downtown, don’t move outside of town, with the reactions to Washington’s multiple name changes you’ve got to realize people just hate change and KCMO have a weird superiority complex and chip on their shoulder about the neighbors 5 minutes away.
This is the correct take, the reality is Reddit is insanely left leaning and they are going insanely hard into the “anyone with money is just evil” shit and right now this sub is impossible to read lol
I mean, I’m fairly progressive and while I do think it sucks that we are subsidizing literal billionaires that could afford it themselves, I am also not dumb and realize it’s going to make the surrounding area a lot of money and that’s the name of the game in the system we live in. What sucks the most is Arrowhead has one of the best home field advantages due to its design, capacity, and the fact that the winter months (when the games can start to matter a little more) bring cold weather that less and less teams are able to handle like the Chiefs do. All of those advantages go out the window with a nice new stadium that condenses the occupancy, therefore inflating already costly ticket prices, making it to where some of the most diehard fans can’t afford to go anymore, especially with no more shitty weather discounts. Not to mention no more potential weather advantage. Location doesn’t really matter when it’s pretty much as close to downtown as Arrowhead already is. People just love to argue KS vs MO.
Yeah I can’t believe it won’t be in downtown KC anymore, which is where it currently is of course.
Agreed! The Chiefs are making a huge mistake moving the stadium from the main KC metro area into a shopping mall district in Kansas. KCMO downtown where everything is, which is 8 minutes away by car. There are a lot more things to do in KCMO downtown that is 8 minutes away on 435 hw than the Legends across the street with some malls, restaurants, and a park. There is a reason why Lamar put Arrowhead and Worlds of Fun in the location it's currently in. Kansas City, Missouri, is the heart and soul of Kansas City. The real urban experience of Kansas City's arts, Jazz, BBQ and Sports culture is in Missouri side. Everything is on the Missouri side in downtown that has a crown center district, the country club plaza district, Crossroads district, river market district, light and power district, 18th and vine Jazz district, American Jazz Musuem, Negro league baseball musuems, world class Nelson museum, Jazz district, symphony, world war 1 musuem, Arabia steamboat, musuem, KC ballet theater, the Miland theater, Westport, the Kansas City airport, the Kansas city zoo, Kansas City Art Institute, Worlds of Fun, Union Station/train station, the Chiefs, the Royals and much more! KCMO downtown also has the KC streetcars that you travel all throughout the downtown area for free.
By calling it the middle of nowhere shows you don’t know the city. Gtfo
Since when did Tony G become our spokesman? I rarely agree with him
I love sharing my thoughts via Draftkings
Lmao
The worst part of the move will be the new stadium focused on premium seating and that it will be domed so no games in the elements.
The fact that its in the middle of nowhere doesnt change anything because, well, it already is in the middle of nowhere.
Therell be more things to do at the Legends before and after the game.
Middle of nowhere? They are still in Kansas City.
Arrowhead is litterally the middle of nowhere. They’ve had 50 damn years to build that area up, and didn’t.
Legends area might be the best entertainment area in Kansas City metro, there’s not a better spot to just drop a stadium.
Ignorant Tony G strikes again.
Arrowhead is in the middle of suburbia. The legends is not. Not sure how you could possibly think it’s “the middle of nowhere”
You can’t seriously be contending Legends is the “best entertainment area in the metro”, right? Jfc this town is full of boring ass people.
Out of curiosity, what would you consider the best?
See my post above. The downtown urban core of roughly river market south to the plaza contains most of the cool things I like about Kansas City.
Name a better one you can drop a stadium into.
"Being a le to drop a stadium into" does certainly limit things. I agree with others that the Legends is far from the best entertainment area - unless by entertainment you just mean sports stadiums, race track, etc. If you are looking for amazing restaurants, art museums, the symphony, cool bars, etc. then the Legends is definitely not it. Thats what the folks responding to you mean.
Personally I think Legends is a pretty good place to put the stadium. As local, I would still recommend to visiting friends coming in for a game to stay in downtown KC MO for the weekend and drive to the stadium for game day. Same rec whether current location or the Legends . However, I am (relatively) young person with no kids and an interest in what downtown provides. If you have a family of 5 and your priority is staying close to the stadium, eating at a place where your kids can go nuts without any side eye, Legends is probably a better spot to stay.
So no, Legends is not in the middle of nowhere by any means. But it is a bit farther away from the parts of the city that I love and spend time in. Mild disappointment to me, but not a big deal as I look forward to continuing to watch most games at home or with friends on TV.
A downtown stadium would destroy half those things. That's one of the main reasons the Crossroads organized against moving the Royals to the old KC Star site.
Downtown lmao
They are already in the middle of nowhere lol at least there will be actual things to do around the stadium instead of the boarded up Adam’s Mark Hotel, as cool as that may be…
Hey that boarded up Adam's mark is a pickle ball facility these days.
That’s sad. In the 90s my dad was living in CA, and I was in DC, both of us are from Shawnee, as a surprise I flew him to KC and met him there for a game. We stayed at the Adam’s Mark with a great view of the stadium. One of my favorite memories with him
I always thought that it would be a badass location for paintball.
This is ridiculous. They’re moving - what, 40 minutes west? This isn’t like the Rams moving across the country.
Yeah, folks are being dramatic. It’s pretty much like just moving from the city to the suburbs
Arrowhead is functionally very much in the suburbs right now. It's 9 miles from the very small urban core of KCMO. It's just moving from one side of the metro to a nearly equidistant other side of the metro
26 minutes according to Google maps.
I can understand some minor frustration. But the absolute hate is completely ridiculous and out of proportion.
Not even that far, haha.
Lol at him saying they’re moving “to the middle of nowhere”. He really knows Kansas City!
ITT: people don’t know what “middle of nowhere” means. The Legends does not fit the definition of “middle of nowhere”. Y’all are crying over spilled milk.
I'm trying to be optimistic about the new stadium. I really wish they were staying at Arrowhead, but there's nothing I can do about it so I'm trying to get excited about new possibilities. I think it could be a positive and good for the team and city.
It will be positive for the Hunt family. That’s it.
Fuck DraftKings. Tony should be embarrassed by being a spokesman for them.
I dont think billionaires should be using private funds for their stadiums but any business owner would take the deal kansas gave them. As a kansan im a little perplexed on how the state will pay for it but as a fan who grew up and still lives in kck im excited. Im a STH too so its bittersweet. I know the new stadium will probably be amazing.
Think about all dat DUI money from people leaving the stadium shit faced.
*public funds. Whoops
Good luck affording your tickets at the new stadium. Smaller capacity with more suites means less seats for non-corporate fans.
I can barely afford it now so true. Let's not act like tickets are cheap now.
They aren’t but they don’t require a PSL now. That’s coming along with a large price increase.
The deal is done. No need to spout propaganda backed by zero real knowledge. You're just guessing like everyone else at this point.
Guessing? All you have to do is look at every other new stadium deal that’s come down in the last 20 years and you’ll see that there is a consistent pattern of behavior.
Yes, you're guessing. You have zero information and you're just throwing shit out there because your angry the Chiefs are moving. In case you didn't notice the Chiefs have been jacking up their prices for years and they DIDN'T have a new stadium. So maybe there are other reasons ticket prices go up? As usual, correlation does not equal causation.
You’re a fool if you think they won’t install PSL’s like every new stadium has done. They have already shared that capacity will be lower, they aren’t cutting suite seats with the lower capacity.
It should be easy I keep hearing from MO fans “tHat NoT ReaL kC iM neveR goIng tO aNotHer gamE agAIn” Definitely not fair weather fans abandoning their team after one bad season and a 15 mile move. Hopefully us Kansas fans will scoop up a bunch of cheap tickets since half the fan base is throwing a hissy fit but I bet they get over it by 2030.
Middle of nowhere or the middle of a crime ridden meth zone where bullets literally fly into the offices. What great options!
Weird, must have missed all the shootings at Royals and Chiefs games. You sound like you live in Johnson County and are afraid of anything outside of Leawood.
Incorrect. I grew up in East Independence, lived in Blue Springs for a couple decades and now live in the northland. I did however office out of a building adjacent to the Arrowhead parking lot from 2016-2022, where I ran a route based fleet business. My car was broken into 4 times, we had someone OD and died in the parking lot, numerous break ins to the fleet to the point where we were given the choice to either move or self insure. It's a really shit area, man.
The copium is strong from some people. God forbid the stadium moves out of the slums to a nice area.
And it’s all a bunch of bandwagon/ fairweather fans who have barely been watching this team for a few years
This sub is fucking garbage anymore, it’s just reddit weirdos trying to force their weird beliefs onto everyone lol
A bullet literally went through Andy Ried's window. Damn bro, you are really struggling with this, aren't you?
Haven’t there been shootings in the parking lots? There’s definitely been assaults.
🙊
I get that it’s slightly further away from downtown geographically, but Legends feels WAY less “in the middle of nowhere” than Truman.
Not sure Legends with a giant strip of car lots, resort hotels, three sports venues and an outlet mall qualifies as the middle of nowhere—but for me it’s going to be a 15 minute drive from the northlands.
Stop playing! It's a district in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah Tony can keep his opinions to himself. Mr, I’m gonna leave the Chiefs for a chance to compete for a Super Bowl…two years later we are a hall of fame TE away from being a Super Bowl contender. I’ll never forget how you left.
this can't be in reference to the 2010 chiefs lol. Thoroughly fraudulent squad
Not sure if that’s the year exactly, but sounds about right. It was a few more years than two, that first year we had Alex Smith. I remember Tony still playing for the falcons (I think) looking pretty good too. And I knew if we had his veteran leadership plus his amazing skills, we would have won the Super Bowl (pipe dreams, but whatever) I can’t forgive him, he should have been a lifer.
ok so the 2013 chiefs + tony gonzalez would have won at least a playoff game, ill give you that. in 2010 we had matt cassel at qb
Yeah, that Matt cassel trade was a turd…lol
Love TG but the new location will be much better than the current. There's absolutely nothing around the current location. Legends has a big shopping/restaurant district, racetrack and soccer stadium all within walking distance of each other.
The legends is pretty far from everything. Definitely further from downtown than where they are now. So what are y’all on?
Ironically the new location will be at a different confluence of the same two highways. I435 and I70 just on the Western side of it all. KCK is about in the middle of nowhere as KCMO is. They literally are connected at the hip.
Who cares what he thinks? He isn't a Chiefs player. He's an Atlanta Falcons player.
Tony Gonzales is not a fan of chiefs or whatever stadium they play in.
He ask to be traded to a team that wins.
Not interested in his opinions...
Stop. Team had several awful seasons. He would have finished his career on a team going nowhere. I will always advocate for KC legends to go somewhere else near the end of their career if KC isn't competitive at the time. I love KC, but those legends are who really make it a blessing to be a KC fan. I am just thankful for the time they spend here.
Ok I simply disagree. No single player is bigger than the game itself. We can disagree, no big...Merry Xmas.
Who gives a shit? Tony was a legend here who never won (not his fault) and squandered pretty much all his goodwill with the fans by saying some dumb (but fairly minor) shit.
Then we got a TE who truly loved the city and won 3 SBs here.
Tony and his takes are persona non grata.
Haven't even announced the site, although the Legends area makes sense
Nobody cares what this has been has to say.
Retractable dome > Dome > No dome
What happened to the 49ers?
I literally have Tony Gonzalez on video saying he hates Kansas City. This is outside The Hurricane in Westport around 2005 I would say. I had my camcorder out and he is complaining to 2 friends about how shitty KC is. I drunkenly laugh saying, "I got that shit on video Tony!".
Domes suck, but I get it from a business standpoint. They're wanting to use this thing year-round for major musical acts to play in.
That's fine just don't install artificial fucking turf, Clark. Real grass or get fucked.
It’s a dome lol it’s gonna be turf growing grass in that environment is basically impossible
I agree with the roof part.
If this guy thinks Kansas City, Kansas is middle of nowhere then what am I that actually lives in rural Kansas 😂
Who gives a shit about Tony “Atlanta made me” Gonzalez.
when i was in arrowhead it looked perfectly fine, why would we move for no reason?
Didn’t they try to do this twice and the city turned them down both times?
What are we talking about here?
The middle of nowhere? Huh? It is more in the middle of nowhere now than it will be at the Legends. Thats one of the selling points actually.
That Hard Rock hotel probably will go in afterall...
FUCKING PREACH
“Potential move.” Calling the fastest growing area in the Midwest the middle of nowhere is as dumb as his glasses. Better off in Atlanta. Not the brightest guy in the room.
This
12th richest family in America but can't pay for a stadium.
They could put a retractable roof on arrowhead too
I don’t really get the point in any football team building a retractable roof. It’ll will be open for like 4 games a year at most. Baseball I get it more because people want to be outside in the summer but also not have postponed games to rain. But putting a retractable roof on a football stadium seems like a complete waste of money.
I recently toured a retractable roof dome of a football team and they said the roof is opened about 1x a year. Because the NFL has strict rules that it cannot be opened or closed if open within 1-2 hrs of a game. And if the roof is large enough then the NFL classifies a game with an open roof as an outside game and they have to reconfigure their set up of cameras, etc.,as well as TV has to reconfigure their mics and cams for an outdoor game. So most restractlable roof single purpose football stadiums don't open them.
Yes, the hoopla around the retractable roof of Jerry World quickly subsided -- Jerry never opens it. And it's not open for non-football events, either. The roof was a marketing pitch to make the project more acceptable/palatable.
Yes, fans romanticize retractable roofs, thinking they'll be open almost all the time, except in really bad weather. Reality has shown that they're actually rarely opened, so you might as well just build a great dome without the compromise and expense of a retractable roof.
I would think they open it often to keep the turf healthy.
I don't give 2 fucks about what that ID10T jackass says! GO help the Falcons team that did so much for your career!
People are really in their feels about a one off comment lol.
Why do I care what a retired Atlanta Falcon from California thinks? Tony G can go ahead and fuck all the way off.
This misses the entire point. They want affluent people to pay $100 to see a game and those people will not go if there is any chance of sitting in the heat or cold.
Stupid comments. The legends isn't the middle of nowhere Arrowhead is currently in the middle of nowhere.
Dome stadiums suck. They have no atmosphere. Like playing inside of a warehouse.
I'll never go to a game in a dome stadium. At least not one I have to pay for.
I respect your opinion, but I personally disagree. It's a way more comfortable atmosphere and the game isn't ruined by weather conditions. I hate seeing great players slowed down or injured because of rain or snow, or having to get an IV because they are dehydrated from the heat. Plus it's way louder. I have a feeling this one will be similar to the one in LV. That place is nothing like a warehouse.
Who cares what Falcons legend Tony Gonzalez thinks
This is the right take for anyone who has actually been around and a fan since then lol
Like are we serious right now?
Spoken like a man who never had to enter the stadium as a civilian.