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That’s their trick though. They believe in the tactical advantage of convincing jarheads they’re the best. Unfortunately, we also get <4 year boots who think being a Marine is the equivalent to being a Navy Seal
I'd believe this dingus was probably told that during OCS and just never questioned it.
I remember after Marine boot camp going to combat training (non infantry), and our instructor telling us that we were being trained better and harder than the Army trains their actual infantry soldiers. I figured he was just talking out of his ass and trying to build confidence. For the Army infantry soldiers sake I hoped that wasn't true, because our training wasn't really that hard.
I remember after Marine boot camp going to combat training (non infantry), and our instructor telling us that we were being trained better and harder than the Army trains their actual infantry soldiers
Yeah. You weren't lied to. Infantry OSUT is just a few weeks longer than BCT and you spend more time shooting and in the woods than BCT
If you want to put it that way. my whole boot camp experience was Green Beret, Seal, Recon , MARSOC and Delta training all rolled into one. BTW, I aced it all.....
Your bootcamp sounds like a joke compared to my DEP months. I had to drive like a whole half hour just to get to my PT sessions, there was traffic sometimes!
Damn that’s crazy are the marines tracking this? If they’re basically seals we’re really wasting a lot of time doing nothing with them than sending them to Okinawa
“…commissioning in the Marine Corps is the equivalent of Navy Seal training without the swimming part”. Y’all think the ladies will buy it up if I compare ROTC to what David Goggins did?
A lot of people like to make themselves out to be more than they are. It isn’t enough to go through OCS. No, we have to elevate it to the level of BUDS, so I can pretend I’m some elite badass for doing a rather basic program.
When I was in the Army, the Marines sent their Armor officers to our Basic Officer course and I had Marine OCS grads in my class. Good dudes, would serve with them again but saying they’d pass BUDS, I personally don’t think so. Hell there was maybe 1 or 2 in the entire class that could and even that I can’t say with any certainty.
Only if you don’t get peered out by NCO’s simply for being correct and them being wrong. Totally happened to my friend as an LT. Don’t these NCOs know that an LT who’s gone through OCS and BOLC knows so much more? My friend isn’t salty about it or anything. /s
Yeesh, thats such a retarded and poorly informed take. They are two very different schools with incredibly different goals and training requirements.
Also if I remember correctly the historical OCS attrition rate hovers around 20-30%. Most are due to injury or DOR.
When I was at OCS their were like feedback sessions toward the end of the cycle, and the big bitch from everyone was how they wanted more food (because they are nasty candidates after all) and the answer we were given back was that OCS had the second highest caloric intake plan second only to BUDS.
Is that pure unadulterated horse shit from a cadre tired of candidates whining? Maybe
Is it the half remembered justification from a survey or something that kinda sorta says that and we as a collective warrior culture are too dumb to actually look up? More likely.
One program has had thousands of women graduate over the last few decades, that other has had 0. It’s pretty obvious which program is tougher than the other. The truth hurts when it’s said out loud.
The downvotes are (presumably) because it isn't a good metric for difficulty. Something as simple as completion requirements can prove that.
I served with women that could completely embarrass men head to head. That's not even considering that most potential candidates for selective fields, are men by an overwhelming margin.
Whether the answer is zero, one, one hundred, or one thousand, women had nothing to do with this conversation and your fixation on a contextually meaningless statistic is really exposing your character flaws.
If you don’t like women just say that. No need for all the other rigmarole. Own your flaws dude.
You don’t like women because you’re bringing them up in a discussion that had nothing to do with them, and attempted to paint them in a negative light with the BUDS pass rate which -again- had nothing to do with the discussion.
We are actively making fun of someone who had the ignorance to say OCS is basically BUDS, meanwhile you’re over here ranting about women.
Nobody forced you to do that. Nobody made you type your weird bullshit.
While OCS at Quantico is no joke, it's not like SEAL or RECON or RANGER school. I'm not sure about the 50% drop rate either, seeing as the Marines who went to the USNA go the TBS after the academy.
No matter the officer accession program used, I don’t think I could ever with a straight face claim I basically went through a special forces course just because I pinned 2LT afterward.
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It’s amazing that people actually believe that shit.
If that’s true, then I could 100% passed buds with ease. Not that my lt was super weak or out of shape, but he was no where close to some of the us.
Comparing OCS to BUDS is a first
Not just OCS, Marine Corps OCS. There’s levels to this.
The marines truly have the bootiest boots
That's cause, collectively, we're as smart as the sludge under the above ground pool liner
That’s their trick though. They believe in the tactical advantage of convincing jarheads they’re the best. Unfortunately, we also get <4 year boots who think being a Marine is the equivalent to being a Navy Seal
I'd believe this dingus was probably told that during OCS and just never questioned it.
I remember after Marine boot camp going to combat training (non infantry), and our instructor telling us that we were being trained better and harder than the Army trains their actual infantry soldiers. I figured he was just talking out of his ass and trying to build confidence. For the Army infantry soldiers sake I hoped that wasn't true, because our training wasn't really that hard.
Army infantry OSUT is more or less the same Basic as everyone else, except you get the rah rah blue cord+discs at graduation
Yeah. You weren't lied to. Infantry OSUT is just a few weeks longer than BCT and you spend more time shooting and in the woods than BCT
Fuck it. My OSUT was basically Ranger school. Since people wanna just say shit now lmao
Shit, MEPS was pretty much just SF selection, if you squint really really hard.
Someone was squinting pretty hard during the physical alright. So it’s basically the same thing, yeah.
That duck walk at MEPS was basically the STAR course, fuck
"The duck walk has the highest attrition rate out of the entire MEPS course. 98% fail to quack while taking their first steps"
If you want to put it that way. my whole boot camp experience was Green Beret, Seal, Recon , MARSOC and Delta training all rolled into one. BTW, I aced it all.....
Your bootcamp sounds like a joke compared to my DEP months. I had to drive like a whole half hour just to get to my PT sessions, there was traffic sometimes!
Damn dude. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
Someone thank this man for his cervix
What's the phase in BUDS where the instructors grab NVGs and catch the candidates fucking in the bushes?
My favorite phase
Damn that’s crazy are the marines tracking this? If they’re basically seals we’re really wasting a lot of time doing nothing with them than sending them to Okinawa
Just read the thread - that person is going to have a very difficult time in life lol
Link it bro don’t leave us hanging
I had a recruiter tell me that an Army Ranger is a Marine who can jump out of a helicopter.
Never seemed right.
Trying to figure out the flex here…..was he an Army Recruiter or a Marine Recruiter?
Coast Guard actually
Same question.
“…commissioning in the Marine Corps is the equivalent of Navy Seal training without the swimming part”. Y’all think the ladies will buy it up if I compare ROTC to what David Goggins did?
Try to be more like Walton Goggins instead.
Really, what is the point of even comparing?
A lot of people like to make themselves out to be more than they are. It isn’t enough to go through OCS. No, we have to elevate it to the level of BUDS, so I can pretend I’m some elite badass for doing a rather basic program.
The OP put a link to the post in another comment and it’s truly amazing. This guys auto loan interest rate has got be be at least 60%
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When I was in the Army, the Marines sent their Armor officers to our Basic Officer course and I had Marine OCS grads in my class. Good dudes, would serve with them again but saying they’d pass BUDS, I personally don’t think so. Hell there was maybe 1 or 2 in the entire class that could and even that I can’t say with any certainty.
I’m a civilian.
Even I know this is bullshit.
Wow didn’t know OCS was a SOF course 😆😆😆
SOFt
He must be smoking some primo bud if he believes that shit.
You know, in the army, we say OCS is the rich man’s ranger school.
Isn’t just going through ranger school as an officer already the rich man’s ranger school?
Only if you don’t get peered out by NCO’s simply for being correct and them being wrong. Totally happened to my friend as an LT. Don’t these NCOs know that an LT who’s gone through OCS and BOLC knows so much more? My friend isn’t salty about it or anything. /s
Oh damn. I thought peering was an SF thing, didn’t realize it also happens in ranger school
Yeesh, thats such a retarded and poorly informed take. They are two very different schools with incredibly different goals and training requirements. Also if I remember correctly the historical OCS attrition rate hovers around 20-30%. Most are due to injury or DOR.
Jeez, what a fucking tool.
It’s true I still have life long injuries from that 2 mile jog and 50lb lift 😔
If only I could swim, maybe I’d have been the one to take Bin Laden out.
This ain't boot or stolen valor, this is pretending to be a commissioner officer. This is like 3 tiers of felony over stolen valor.
When I was at OCS their were like feedback sessions toward the end of the cycle, and the big bitch from everyone was how they wanted more food (because they are nasty candidates after all) and the answer we were given back was that OCS had the second highest caloric intake plan second only to BUDS.
Is that pure unadulterated horse shit from a cadre tired of candidates whining? Maybe
Is it the half remembered justification from a survey or something that kinda sorta says that and we as a collective warrior culture are too dumb to actually look up? More likely.
How many women have completed marine corps OCS?
How many women have competed BUD/S?
Demi Moore was the first, that's all I know with any certainty and evidence.
People downvoting me lol.
It’s true. He wants to compare the training, how many women pass marine corps OCS every year?
As far as I know, 0 women have passed BUD/S.
You clearly have no idea why you were downvoted...
Softies being soft.
One program has had thousands of women graduate over the last few decades, that other has had 0. It’s pretty obvious which program is tougher than the other. The truth hurts when it’s said out loud.
Repeating yourself just validates my comment.
The downvotes are (presumably) because it isn't a good metric for difficulty. Something as simple as completion requirements can prove that.
I served with women that could completely embarrass men head to head. That's not even considering that most potential candidates for selective fields, are men by an overwhelming margin.
Facts are facts.
Your moms soft
She is.
Are you the OOP?
How the fuck do you take a humorous cringe comparison between OCS and BUDS and come to the conclusion “but what about THE WOMEN though?”
Buddy ain’t nobody talking about women lmao. Pull your head out of Hegseth’s ass.
Nope. Can you answer my question?
I won’t waste an irrelevant answer for an irrelevant question. Go ahead and try to address literally anything else I said though lol
Can you answer the super simple question?
How many women have passed BUD/S?
Brother nobody is going to play your irrelevant game with you. You gotta move on.
It’s a pretty simple answer to a simple question.
And doesn’t matter.
Whether the answer is zero, one, one hundred, or one thousand, women had nothing to do with this conversation and your fixation on a contextually meaningless statistic is really exposing your character flaws.
If you don’t like women just say that. No need for all the other rigmarole. Own your flaws dude.
I don’t like women because I’m stating a statistic about two different military training programs?
Man you’re really stretching for something.
You can’t claim one program is just as hard as the other when the stats don’t match up.
You don’t like women because you’re bringing them up in a discussion that had nothing to do with them, and attempted to paint them in a negative light with the BUDS pass rate which -again- had nothing to do with the discussion.
We are actively making fun of someone who had the ignorance to say OCS is basically BUDS, meanwhile you’re over here ranting about women.
Nobody forced you to do that. Nobody made you type your weird bullshit.
While OCS at Quantico is no joke, it's not like SEAL or RECON or RANGER school. I'm not sure about the 50% drop rate either, seeing as the Marines who went to the USNA go the TBS after the academy.
No matter the officer accession program used, I don’t think I could ever with a straight face claim I basically went through a special forces course just because I pinned 2LT afterward.
Nope, in fact SEAL and SF, or Ranger candidates are commissioned before they begin training.