The US also has multilingual options, so I guess there is no anti-immigrant sentiment. Here, at the doctors I can check in at the kiosk English or Polish or Urdu or Arabic. I guess xenophobia is over. /s
The Warsaw Ghetto even had Jewish leaders like Mordechai Rumkowski, specially selected by the Nazis! See how much Nazi Germany respected Jews and their sovereignty!
The only countries in Europe in the twentieth century that had autonomous self-governing Jewish regions, at the height of antisemitism, were Nazi Germany and Tsarist Russia.
Clearly the two least antisemitic states in Europe!
/s
Apartheid Israel is far worse than apartheid South Africa.
Israel has killed far more Palestinians than the White South African government killed Black South Africans.
And anti-apartheid figures like the late Archbishop Desmond Tutu have said that Israel's apartheid is 'in many instances, worse'.
Frost: And at the same time, I mean, very much so you said that what you saw in Israel was something that was quite akin to the situation in South Africa before freedom came to the Black people of South Africa.
Don't you just love it when the invaders of your country graciously allow you to speak your mother tongue in your homeland between 10:30 and 11:30 in the morning?
Any interaction with any form of zionism always has me saying “they give themselves away.”
I swear too much to be able to take the time to unpick it and I’ve not enough patience to educate them. 💀
I'd have more freedom in the West Bank as a tourist than a Palestinian. There's a whole ass wall dividing the land they've lived and worked on for generations.
This is lazy. Nur Mashala's 4000 year history of Palestine has a great section about how Israel Katz, now Minister if defense, as minister of transport in the 2010s led an initiative to hebraize street names across '48. Case in point is actually here in the picture. Its basic knowledge the Muslims have been calling it "Al-Quds" for like 700 years. The Arabic nomenclature on the signs is an arabized version of "Jerusalem", the Hebrew/biblical name for the city. So you can see this pattern applied all over Occupied palestine. Replace the Arabic name with a Hebrew/biblical name, retranslate that into Arabic, erase Palestinian history, have shills like mazzig cover up your dirty work by talking about how bad you are at apartheid.
"Al Quds" is on the sign, albeit in parentheses. But "Jerusalem" isn't considered a revived or Hebraized name, it was always called that outside of Arabic. As with Hebron / Al Khalil. Arab Jews in particular used both depending on context and audience. Jews have always also referred to Jerusalem as "Ir HaKodesh", the holy city, which has the same meaning (although for different reasons and with different origins)
You're right, I see it now I didnt look that hard at it before commenting. My point still stands though, Israeli authorities use positions of power to impose their chosen names (albeit in the case of Jerusalem a name used also by the west) in the language of the occupied, and further, parenthesizing the arab name for the place subordinates it and implies that it is the derivative name.
I don't agree with the parentheses of course, but Jerusalem isn't a "Western" term either. I believe only Turkish and Persian call it variants of Al Quds, and in both cases it replaced original variants of Jerusalem in those languages after Islam became the dominant religion in those regions.
Yes I know the west did not invent the word. No I dont know the origins of the word. Thanks for informing me. My point was really just that words and place names are weaponized by the occupation in furtherance of domination and subordination.
points to discriminatory planning and permit allocation for Palestinian citizens of Israel inside '48 borders as a piece of evidence for apartheid inside Israel itself
Dimwit Mazig - "it's not an apartheid because these signs are in Arabic too. Check and mate"
When you want people of a certain background to stay out of your land it’s to your benefit to put up signs in their language so they can segregate from you more easily.
the thing that is dumb about this too is the Arabic is transliterated Hebraicized names into Arabic, ignoring the original Arabic names (eg, transliterating Jerusalem into “Urushulaym” instead of “Al-Quds.”
The literal Wikipedia article for Apartheid has a picture at the top-right of a multilingual sign that marks a beach in Durban as "whites only". This is such a dogshit argument lololol.
You're totally right, that multiple languages being available doesn't always make a society any less hateful, but legit, the 2018 nation state law and around that time, taking back the law requiring street signs to have Arabic along with Hebrew, was part of my first questions as to why the Israeli system would not allow for multiculturalism like that, leading me to question deeper topics about Israel as a whole. I grew up in California, so Spanish, Hindi, Japanese, and Chinese, as well as dialect spinoffs of some of those languages, were just as normal as English in the area, so it just made no sense to me for Israel to stop doing the same thing. Hen's argument is so inaccurate that he literally is using an example that was actively pushed against by the government he's defending, which makes it even crazier!
That's like trying to prove that the United States is ethical by using the laws that were in place before ICE was created to argue that any actions that could be considered unethical by ICE aren't actually unethical, because the laws forbid them from doing those actions, so it must be misinformation if it's being reported that they're partaking in those actions, in spite of the fact that the laws being used as a reference have changed since that time.
It literally reminds me of a kid in high school who, after I tried to answer a question in class, in front of everyone else, stood up, without being called on, and said "no, you're wrong," so, being genuinely curious, I asked him why I was wrong. His response was, "well, it's because I know that I'm right, and therefore I know that you're wrong, because I'm always right, therefore you are always wrong," and then he answered the question, again, without being called on to do so, and got it wrong! It was ridiculous, and it's just so strange to think that someone might actually think that, like, legitimately, without any irony.
The Warsaw ghetto also had multilingual signs.
The US also has multilingual options, so I guess there is no anti-immigrant sentiment. Here, at the doctors I can check in at the kiosk English or Polish or Urdu or Arabic. I guess xenophobia is over. /s
The Warsaw Ghetto even had Jewish leaders like Mordechai Rumkowski, specially selected by the Nazis! See how much Nazi Germany respected Jews and their sovereignty!
/s
The only countries in Europe in the twentieth century that had autonomous self-governing Jewish regions, at the height of antisemitism, were Nazi Germany and Tsarist Russia.
Clearly the two least antisemitic states in Europe! /s
A dedicated daily slot for Arab speakers? So they can call during a few hours of the day? Why not just hire Arabic speakers to work the phones?
Right?!
That's pretty much like saying Spanish-speakers can only call the IRS between 2 and 3.
He fact that it’s arabic speakers get a ‘slot’ instead of equal treatment
Apartheid Israel is far worse than apartheid South Africa.
Israel has killed far more Palestinians than the White South African government killed Black South Africans.
And anti-apartheid figures like the late Archbishop Desmond Tutu have said that Israel's apartheid is 'in many instances, worse'.
It's worth noting that Desmond Tutu said this almost 15 years ago, as well. It's gotten much worse since.
“Government hotlines with a slot” as opposed to being able to call at any hour like an isreali jew?!????
Don't you just love it when the invaders of your country graciously allow you to speak your mother tongue in your homeland between 10:30 and 11:30 in the morning?
Any interaction with any form of zionism always has me saying “they give themselves away.” I swear too much to be able to take the time to unpick it and I’ve not enough patience to educate them. 💀
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I’m from a Canadian city where we have some of our road signs in Cree and there’s land acknowledgements done at every public gathering
Doesn’t erase the hundreds of years of colonization, genocide, and ethnic cleansing that’s still going on to this day lol
https://preview.redd.it/s7d3dl1hw67g1.jpeg?width=587&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ae33f8ef92f1334e49ec034635457c5e555f9b4
An apartheid sign written in English, Afrikaans and Zulu.
I love how Z*onists completely act like the Apartheid wall and military occupation don't exist. This is actual Holocaust denial type shit.
Wow, it's almost as if there are English speaking Jews, Hebrew speaking Jews, and Arab Jews!
Who would've thought?!?
I mean I don't think there are many Jews in Israel who speak Arabic as their first/primary language anymore.
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The “no Arabs” signs are also in multiple languages.
Apartheid is when only one language on sign
LOL
I'd have more freedom in the West Bank as a tourist than a Palestinian. There's a whole ass wall dividing the land they've lived and worked on for generations.
Yeah, I went to Israel and the West Bank in 2019. A lot of the multilingual signs have the Arabic name scratched out or otherwise vandalised.
This is lazy. Nur Mashala's 4000 year history of Palestine has a great section about how Israel Katz, now Minister if defense, as minister of transport in the 2010s led an initiative to hebraize street names across '48. Case in point is actually here in the picture. Its basic knowledge the Muslims have been calling it "Al-Quds" for like 700 years. The Arabic nomenclature on the signs is an arabized version of "Jerusalem", the Hebrew/biblical name for the city. So you can see this pattern applied all over Occupied palestine. Replace the Arabic name with a Hebrew/biblical name, retranslate that into Arabic, erase Palestinian history, have shills like mazzig cover up your dirty work by talking about how bad you are at apartheid.
"Al Quds" is on the sign, albeit in parentheses. But "Jerusalem" isn't considered a revived or Hebraized name, it was always called that outside of Arabic. As with Hebron / Al Khalil. Arab Jews in particular used both depending on context and audience. Jews have always also referred to Jerusalem as "Ir HaKodesh", the holy city, which has the same meaning (although for different reasons and with different origins)
You're right, I see it now I didnt look that hard at it before commenting. My point still stands though, Israeli authorities use positions of power to impose their chosen names (albeit in the case of Jerusalem a name used also by the west) in the language of the occupied, and further, parenthesizing the arab name for the place subordinates it and implies that it is the derivative name.
I don't agree with the parentheses of course, but Jerusalem isn't a "Western" term either. I believe only Turkish and Persian call it variants of Al Quds, and in both cases it replaced original variants of Jerusalem in those languages after Islam became the dominant religion in those regions.
You do know that Jerusalem is not a just a term from the west. It likely comes from a Bronze Age god’s name…
Yes I know the west did not invent the word. No I dont know the origins of the word. Thanks for informing me. My point was really just that words and place names are weaponized by the occupation in furtherance of domination and subordination.
Signs = freedom of movement (apparently)
Just as long as you ignore the signs that say "Jew Only Road".
Wow, are they even aware of the mental gymnastics required to support an apartheid system? Their idiocy knows no bounds.
The fact that they have to continuously remind everyone should say a lot about what that terrorist state actually is.
Why are they hebrew-fying the name of Jerusalem in Arabic and using the correct Arabic name within parentheses? Disgusting.
Hen is a self-hating Arab
points to discriminatory planning and permit allocation for Palestinian citizens of Israel inside '48 borders as a piece of evidence for apartheid inside Israel itself
Dimwit Mazig - "it's not an apartheid because these signs are in Arabic too. Check and mate"
When you want people of a certain background to stay out of your land it’s to your benefit to put up signs in their language so they can segregate from you more easily.
They stripped Arabic of it's rights as an official language.
the thing that is dumb about this too is the Arabic is transliterated Hebraicized names into Arabic, ignoring the original Arabic names (eg, transliterating Jerusalem into “Urushulaym” instead of “Al-Quds.”
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The literal Wikipedia article for Apartheid has a picture at the top-right of a multilingual sign that marks a beach in Durban as "whites only". This is such a dogshit argument lololol.
When I lived in Israel Egged offered phone service in Hebrew, English, and RUSSIAN (stam)
You're totally right, that multiple languages being available doesn't always make a society any less hateful, but legit, the 2018 nation state law and around that time, taking back the law requiring street signs to have Arabic along with Hebrew, was part of my first questions as to why the Israeli system would not allow for multiculturalism like that, leading me to question deeper topics about Israel as a whole. I grew up in California, so Spanish, Hindi, Japanese, and Chinese, as well as dialect spinoffs of some of those languages, were just as normal as English in the area, so it just made no sense to me for Israel to stop doing the same thing. Hen's argument is so inaccurate that he literally is using an example that was actively pushed against by the government he's defending, which makes it even crazier!
That's like trying to prove that the United States is ethical by using the laws that were in place before ICE was created to argue that any actions that could be considered unethical by ICE aren't actually unethical, because the laws forbid them from doing those actions, so it must be misinformation if it's being reported that they're partaking in those actions, in spite of the fact that the laws being used as a reference have changed since that time.
It literally reminds me of a kid in high school who, after I tried to answer a question in class, in front of everyone else, stood up, without being called on, and said "no, you're wrong," so, being genuinely curious, I asked him why I was wrong. His response was, "well, it's because I know that I'm right, and therefore I know that you're wrong, because I'm always right, therefore you are always wrong," and then he answered the question, again, without being called on to do so, and got it wrong! It was ridiculous, and it's just so strange to think that someone might actually think that, like, legitimately, without any irony.